Related
Benson Leung said Google Pixel/Pixel XL Use USB Power Delivery up to 18W, do not support Qualcomm QC, I wonder what kind of adapter the two phones use. I used a 5v/3a USB C charger and USB C - C cable with my Nexus 6P. Does this adapter and cable work on Google Pixel/Pixel XL?
Will it work? Sure.
Is it the optimal option? No.
Thank you @testinguser. Can't wait to get the phone.
testinguser said:
Will it work? Sure.
Is it the optimal option? No.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Umm... USB Type C will charge at 3A, no?
Shouldn't it be 5V/3A for the Pixel / Pixel XL also?
xz
SNH48 said:
Benson Leung said Google Pixel/Pixel XL Use USB Power Delivery up to 18W, do not support Qualcomm QC, I wonder what kind of adapter the two phones use. I used a 5v/3a USB C charger and USB C - C cable with my Nexus 6P. Does this adapter and cable work on Google Pixel/Pixel XL?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Absolutely, USB C is designed to negotiate with the charger how much juice is sent. the pixel works at 5V 3A (15W) and up to 9V 2A (18W), Basically if the plug fits it'll get some sort of charge. There are loads of USB C chargers with PD, the spec goes up to 100W and any charger will provide any device with the maximum it or the device can handle (So a 100W charger will give 18W to the pixel and the Pixels 18W charger will give 18W to a laptop for example)
If you have a true USB-C 5V/3A charger now, it will work fine, but as stated it is not the BEST option. 5V/3A = 15W.
If you buy a USB-PD (Power Delivery) type C charger, it has the capability to charge the Pixel at 9V/2A = 18W, so a 20% faster charge... in a perfect world, instead of 0-50% power in 30 minutes, you'd get 0-50% in 24 minutes. BUT, we don't know how long the phone will charge at 18W. Hopefully to 50%, but it has to cut down current eventually just like all QC chargers, or else it'd damage the battery.
The charger included in the box is USB-PD compliant.
Nitemare3219 said:
If you have a true USB-C 5V/3A charger now, it will work fine, but as stated it is not the BEST option. 5V/3A = 15W.
If you buy a USB-PD (Power Delivery) type C charger, it has the capability to charge the Pixel at 9V/2A = 18W, so a 20% faster charge... in a perfect world, instead of 0-50% power in 30 minutes, you'd get 0-50% in 24 minutes. BUT, we don't know how long the phone will charge at 18W. Hopefully to 50%, but it has to cut down current eventually just like all QC chargers, or else it'd damage the battery.
The charger included in the box is USB-PD compliant.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great info. Now I wonder if the Tronsmart W2PTE will charge at 9V/2A...
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
USB C port output:3.6V-6.5V/3.0A,6.5V-9V/2.0A,9V-12V/1.5A(MAX)
USB A port outpout:5V/2.4A(MAX)
Technically it has the ability to, but I wonder if it can.
bigblueshock said:
Great info. Now I wonder if the Tronsmart W2PTE will charge at 9V/2A...
http://www.tronsmart.com/tronsmart-w2pte-type-c-quick-charger-3.0-dual-ports-rapid-wall-charger
USB C port output:3.6V-6.5V/3.0A,6.5V-9V/2.0A,9V-12V/1.5A(MAX)
USB A port outpout:5V/2.4A(MAX)
Technically it has the ability to, but I wonder if it can.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My guess is no because that is relying on a QuickCharge handshake to occur between the device and charger. Pixels will use USB Power Delivery which is an entirely different specification. It'd be great if it does, but I highly doubt it.
It seems even the ones on Amazon that are PD units all are either 15w (5x3) or have the 9x2 spec but don't actually show it as addressable in handshake.
I just want to give someone my money and I am getting upset that I don't have anyone to give it to...
@bigblueshock It seems Tronsmart W2PTE not a 9v/2a PD charger, I saw Choetech has a 29w USB C PD charger
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-CHOETECH-Power-Delivery-MacBook/dp/B01HZ61WWQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475906398&sr=8-1&keywords=choetech+29W+PD+charger
Specification:
Input: 100V-240V AC 50/60Hz 0.7A
Output: 5V3A/9V2A/14.5V2A
I may try this one
Great Phone, I am thinking to buy it.
uhh, QC3 supports both 5v3a and 9v2a. I use my QC3 charger with my Pixel C and it rapid charges.
The same will most likely be true for the pixel phones
I think it still doesn't work because the difference is in the protocol for handshake, not a limitation in the ranges of current.
Sent from my SM-N930V using XDA-Developers mobile app
Wouldn't it be nice if the phone could say what it was receiving and how it had negotiated? I've accumulated quite a few mains chargers, power banks and cigarette lighter adapters.
A QC2.0 PSU makes my Pixel XL say charging rapidly, but it doesn't say how rapid. Another mains charger said charging slowly, which was odd (you'd expect that from an unpowered USB hub) and others just say Charging.
How are you supposed to know what's what? The supplied PSU says Charging Rapidly, but clearly it's more rapid.
Even just putting it as an option in the developer menu would be good enough. It would then enable me to check all my various adapters and establish what does what.
Wouldn't it have been nice to just have one standard?!
jonmorris said:
Wouldn't it be nice if the phone could say what it was receiving and how it had negotiated? I've accumulated quite a few mains chargers, power banks and cigarette lighter adapters.
A QC2.0 PSU makes my Pixel XL say charging rapidly, but it doesn't say how rapid. Another mains charger said charging slowly, which was odd (you'd expect that from an unpowered USB hub) and others just say Charging.
How are you supposed to know what's what? The supplied PSU says Charging Rapidly, but clearly it's more rapid.
Even just putting it as an option in the developer menu would be good enough. It would then enable me to check all my various adapters and establish what does what.
Wouldn't it have been nice to just have one standard?!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are special USB adapters that you plug between phone and charger that will tell you what it's using and what the voltage and amps are.
I'm seeing unexplainable results, like faster charging from my old Motorola Nexus 6 Turbo Charger than with the included Pixel charger....
Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
alexjzim said:
uhh, QC3 supports both 5v3a and 9v2a. I use my QC3 charger with my Pixel C and it rapid charges.
The same will most likely be true for the pixel phones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can second this. Plugging it in to a QC3.0 type C charger (like the HTC 10 has) displays a "charging rapidly" notifier on the lockscreen.
robstunner said:
I can second this. Plugging it in to a QC3.0 type C charger (like the HTC 10 has) displays a "charging rapidly" notifier on the lockscreen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But that doesn't actually MEAN anything. I had a bad car charger that would overheat easily over time. My Nexus 6P would say "charging rapidly" and Ampere would show 100mAh, charge completion time was over 3 hours, etc.
Google designed the phone for USB-PD, nothing else. QC 3.0 does work with this phone. Unless someone uses a USB power meter and posts solid numbers like mentioned in a previous post, people need to stop posting this ****.
Nitemare3219 said:
But that doesn't actually MEAN anything. I had a bad car charger that would overheat easily over time. My Nexus 6P would say "charging rapidly" and Ampere would show 100mAh, charge completion time was over 3 hours, etc.
Google designed the phone for USB-PD, nothing else. QC 3.0 does work with this phone. Unless someone uses a USB power meter and posts solid numbers like mentioned in a previous post, people need to stop posting this ****.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll try it tonight with ampere. I remember seeing 1100mah, which isn't much but I'll report back.
Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
I want to buy a new charger so i want to know that 25w charger supported in our mobile? Its 25w 2.85A is it okay to do fast charge??
Or give me other suggestion or give me link where can i buy
Thank you
I can't tell, by your profile, in which country you reside, but in the US, there are many available.
If you have any fast chargers, left from other phones, with the USB-A connector, give them a try.
Besides the TURBO CHARGING toast message, I use the Ampere app to check the charging level.
This phone is not as picky, as the Nexus 6P, when it comes to fast charging. The 6P had to have a USB-C to USB-C cable and charger, in order to achieve rapid charging.
The Z2 Play is much more forgiving, in that it uses USB-A to USB-C cables, so more chargers are available.
The OEM wall charger charges at 2020mA.
The Tronsmart Qualcomm 2.0 charger,
model TS WC-IQ, with an output of 2 amps, purchased from Amazon, charges at 1440mA.
The IXCC model DCB-2U, with an output of 2.4 amps, purchased from Amazon, charges at 1420mA.
The Amker Power Port 4, model AZ142, with an output of 2.4 amps max, purchased from Amazon, charges at 1380mA.
The Okray charger, model WX-41,with an output of 2 amps, purchased from Amazon, charges at 1290mA.
I use the lower level chargers over night and the higher level chargers, during the day.
Done nights, I don't put the Z2 Play on a charger, at all, because I have just returned home from a drive, where the phone was charging in a nav dock. The phone is at 99 or 100% when I go to bed at 2200 and only down to 96% when I wake up at 0500.
M from india...so which is better company original chargee takes to much time to charge...so can i use 15w 3A or 25w 2.85A?which is better?
Moto z play charger works in z2 play???
ZeroVirus said:
Moto z play charger works in z2 play???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you tried it?
If not, why not?
2XL EU model, February 2019 (PQ2A.190205.002) installed.
I'm having charging issue with my power banks. The wall charger is working great and as expected, 60-70% charge in an hour. The problem is that both power banks do not charge the 2 XL at all. I've measured the charging current with a USB power meter and the charge is 5V at 0,04-0,07A and stays like this forever. And the same goes for the other QC2 power bank, <= 0,07 A and that's it. One of the banks is Baseus PPYZ-C09 and it's advertised as QC3-compatible charger. And it does have an orange USB socket, so I guess it really does QC3 as advertised.
I've tried three USB-A to C cables and it doesn't change, the charging current stays low. I use USB-C to C cable for the wall charger but I doubt it's the cause since it's a 3rd party charger and cable, am I wrong?
Now, anyone having the same issue with 2 XL and power banks?
The power banks seem OK, I remember that my previous phone, Nexus 6P, was charging quickly with QC2 one [haven't tried QC3 one since I gave 6P away to my family] although I've noticed that 6P was having trouble charging in the same fashion and it started sometime last year. But then again, it's not Android 9... May the issue be related?
NOTE: A "stupid", old, 18850-based power bank works flawlessly, pumping just shy of 0,5A at 97% charge using the very same USB-A to C cable I tried earlier and failed.
Just a small follow-up for those interested...
It turns out that the Baseus power bank I was mentioning in the previous post does deliver fast charge but only using the USB-C to USB-C cable. It charges my 2 XL using 9 V. I couldn't get this speed/voltage using variety of USB-A to USB-C cables thou despite them working OK with other devices [the power bank does charge at 12 V from a wall charger].
And I'm curious why is that and how does 2 XL differentiate between C-C and A-C cables?
Pixel uses USB PD charging, which generally only works on USB-C. I've never seen a non-USB C PD charger.
Yup, but the funny thing is that the same Baseus charger I was testing with 2 XL, can handle Motorola G7 Power's TurboCharge [which I belive is just a fancy name of QC3.0] with 18W [12 V] with no problem. And Pixel 2 XL does not recognize this setup.
I've read somewhere that 2 XL can handle up to 10 W of charge power and I can confirm this –*my Baseus Power Bank shows that 9 V is being used when 2 XL is connected with C-to-C cable. But then again, the same power bank, either with C-to-C cable or a standard A-to-C cable attached to powerbanks' PD outlet, allows Motorola G7 Power to "suck" current at 12 V.
So definitely there is some constraint in the 2 XL software regarding power delivery options.
My wife has a LETSCOM wireless charger, that she uses without issue with her Pixel 3. It works intermittently with my Pixel 5, and I can't work out why. Often, when I put my P5 on it, the charger flashes red/blue - according to the user guide, this is "overcurrent protection". If I reboot the P5 or unplug / replug in the charger, the charger stays blue, charges the P5 with no issues. More often than not, I get the "overcurrent" issue though. I've plugged the charger into my P5 charger, using the P5 USB cable. Any thoughts?
mroshaw said:
My wife has a LETSCOM wireless charger, that she uses without issue with her Pixel 3. It works intermittently with my Pixel 5, and I can't work out why. Often, when I put my P5 on it, the charger flashes red/blue - according to the user guide, this is "overcurrent protection". If I reboot the P5 or unplug / replug in the charger, the charger stays blue, charges the P5 with no issues. More often than not, I get the "overcurrent" issue though. I've plugged the charger into my P5 charger, using the P5 USB cable. Any thoughts?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
FWIW I have an Anker wireless 10W Fast-Charging PowerWave Pad and while it fast charges other phones (S10e, and other Samsung phones).
I tried it with the Pixel 5 and it says "charging slowly". A pity really as I think it's one of the best reasonable wireless chargers out there.
SpaceFlunky said:
FWIW I have an Anker wireless 10W Fast-Charging PowerWave Pad and while it fast charges other phones (S10e, and other Samsung phones).
I tried it with the Pixel 5 and it says "charging slowly". A pity really as I think it's one of the best reasonable wireless chargers out there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you using the same wall plug when trying different devices on it? For the Pixel 5 to fast charge, your wall plug needs to be 9V/2A at least 18W and the pad needs to support or to be within spec of the Qi 15W Extended Power Profile, which should then allow it to fast charge on your pad at 10W. If its under 18W wall plug or only say 5V/2A, then it wont fast wireless charge the Pixel 5 due to that 15W EPP afaik :good:
Also, the Pixel 5 has max 12W wireless charging, but most pads will usually drop down if its a 15W pad for example, from 15W to 10W to 7W, 5W - or thereabouts, so I'm not sure we'll get anything above 10W wireless unless its a specific 12W pad. From my understanding at least
LTKred said:
Are you using the same wall plug when trying different devices on it? For the Pixel 5 to fast charge, your wall plug needs to be 9V/2A at least 18W and the pad needs to support or to be within spec of the Qi 15W Extended Power Profile, which should then allow it to fast charge on your pad at 10W. If its under 18W wall plug or only say 5V/2A, then it wont fast wireless charge the Pixel 5 due to that 15W EPP afaik :good:
Also, the Pixel 5 has max 12W wireless charging, but most pads will usually drop down if its a 15W pad for example, from 15W to 10W to 7W, 5W - or thereabouts, so I'm not sure we'll get anything above 10W wireless unless its a specific 12W pad. From my understanding at least
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm using the Anker recommended wall plug. I don't have enough posts to provide a link in comment but its title on Amazon is "Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 18W USB Wall Charger PowerPort+1(Quick Charge 2.0 Compatible, Qualcomm Certified) for Galaxy S8/S7/S6/Edge/Plus, Note 5/4, LG G4, HTC One A9/M9, Nexus 6, iPhone, iPad and More".
SpaceFlunky said:
I'm using the Anker recommended wall plug. I don't have enough posts to provide a link in comment but its title on Amazon is "Quick Charge 3.0, Anker 18W USB Wall Charger PowerPort+1(Quick Charge 2.0 Compatible, Qualcomm Certified) for Galaxy S8/S7/S6/Edge/Plus, Note 5/4, LG G4, HTC One A9/M9, Nexus 6, iPhone, iPad and More".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ah I see, so this device is QuickCharge 3, however it does not support Qualcomm's Extended Power Profile by the looks of it, so it wont fast charge any of the Pixel devices, they require EPP standard and for 10W wireless charging on the pixel 5, it must be at least 18W 9V/2A + minimum 15W EPP.
The PowerWave Pad itself looks to only use 10W Fast Charging when using a 9V/2A wall plug (which is fine for Samsung devices using QC2 or 3), however, it won't fast charge the Pixel in the same way without being certified for Qualcomm Extended Power Profile. So your Pixel will only charge at 5W on it unfortunately.
Yep! Was disappointed. I'm unsure of which non Google brand wireless chargers will wirelessly charge this thing faster than "charging slowly"
Jeez, it's a compatibility nightmare! If anyone has a fast charging wireless solution for P5, please let us know!
This works for me:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D9KT4HP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
i'm back with a few more chargers to test, this time from baseus which i have to admit i've never tried before. they sent me the 45w charger/10000mah power bank as well as their 120w 3 port wall charger. the first thing that jumped out at me is the size of these things. even though they employ GaN they are larger than I'm used to. it is somewhat understandable on the 45w charger as it also doubles as a power bank, but i was really surprised at how big the 120w charger was. that said, performance on both of them were great and they feel really dense, so they don't appear to be wasting any space.
the 45w charger was the one i was intrigued the most by because of its versatility as a wall charger and a portable power bank. you can plug it in to use as a charger or charge the 10000mah battery, and both usb c ports can be used to charge the battery as well. baseus claims 45w max output on ac power or 30w max on portable power through either of the type c ports individually, or when used together 30w+15w or 15w+30w on ac power and 18w+18w on portable power. i tested it using my pixel 5 and a completely dead samsung chromebook plus and noticed consistently that the top port had a slightly lower voltage than the bottom, despite both being rated for the same. neither port delivered a full 45w on my testing. with the chromebook and the charger plugged in the top port maxed out at 2.35a/14.6v, with the bottom port delivering 2.35a/15v. plugging in a second device dropped the charging speed to 1.85a/8.7v and 1.9a8.8v for top/bottom. in powerbank mode the top/bottom gave 2.2a/11.7v and 2.2a/11.9v individually, 1.9a/8.8v and 1.9a/9v with a second device plugged in.
the 120w charger offers 3 ports, 2 usb c and 1 usb a. theoretical power output gets a bit complicated; the usb c ports can put out up to 100w individually, or 60w+60w when used together. either usb c port used with the a port will put out a max of 87w with the a port delivering 30w, and if you use all 3 together the top c port will put out 60w, with the bottom c and the a port putting out 30w each. in my testing i was able to maintain charging speeds of 1.85a/19.2v on the top port regardless of what the other ports were doing. on the bottom port the speed was similar, but dropped to 2.2a/12v once i had all 3 ports in use.
as i mentioned earlier these chargers are quite large and heavy. the 120w is noticeably heavier and larger than a 90w 3 port charger i recently tried out. obviously it delivers 33% more power and there is a lot to be said for that, but i think for most users this would be more of a wall solution versus a travel charger. the 45w charger is much larger than a few other 60w chargers i have, but again this baseus charger offers a fairly unique advantage of both plugging in and using portable power. while these chargers dont fall into the ultra-packable categories, they both offer value in the extras they can deliver. right now the 120w charger is available on amazon for $44.99 after clipping the on-page coupon, and the 45w for $32.99 after clipped coupon, and if you buy both it gives you an extra $5 off of each. as always these are not affiliate links; im not affiliated with any of these companies and dont receive any compensation for these reviews.
photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WkyQDEMDg6WKN8bo8
edit: here are some xda-exclusive discount codes for even more savings!
120W: EKUPZ5YV
45W: 328EOOBQ
I'm using my Xiaomi 55W wireless charger with the 120W supply that came with my Mi 10 Ultra. Works a treat.
So what actually is the FASTEST charger that can be safely used with the P5 apart from the supplied Google charger that comes with the P5 and the Google Pixel Stand ?
If a non UK forum member replies, remember I'm in the UK, so ideally I'd like one that I can source in the UK, but I'd still be interested in what others are using.
152bobby said:
So what actually is the FASTEST charger that can be safely used with the P5 apart from the supplied Google charger that comes with the P5 and the Google Pixel Stand ?
If a non UK forum member replies, remember I'm in the UK, so ideally I'd like one that I can source in the UK, but I'd still be interested in what others are using.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As far as I'm aware, using a charger with more power than the supplied charger makes no difference. The device decides how it will draw power.
These high wattage chargers are mainly for laptops.
I bought this 45W charger few days ago, but with one usb-c and one usb-a port. First I bought variant with 2 usb-c ports, but it didn't work well, it only charged from the wall, but when tried to charge from battery, phone started to charge power bank instead of the power bank charging phone, so I returned it and got the variant with one usb-c port and with one usb-a port, because they didn't have option with two usb-c ports anymore. I actually love this charger, because you can use it for both, as wall charger and as power bank and that's awesome for traveling and it also have PD. But I don't think it's really 10000mAh power bank. I tried to charge my phone from power bank, the power bank was fully charged, and my Pixel 5 was 50% charged. I left it overnight and it charged my phone to 100%, but power bank has only 25% battery left (1 light on out of 4). I don't think 10000mAh power bank should last only half of a charge. I was thinking about ordering other charger and power bank, but I couldn't find any charger and power bank in one device other than that specific device from Baseus.