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hey all, just got my 1st smartphone here. the LG Venice.
i love it , but always wanted to root it. that was the main point in getting it.
so i went and got this the other day, and unfortunately the guy at the store
went and upgraded it for me from the good version to this new UN-rootable version.
at the time i didn't know this, or i woulda stopped him.
soooo, I've been reading all over and the consensus is to downgrade it to zv5,
then root it, then save the root, then upgrade back to zv8, then restore the root.
ok, no prob, but i cant get the zv5 firmware to take. i;'ve found only 1 place that has a link to a .cab file. and it don't work.
others have had this same problem, but i cant get ahold of anyone....
if i flash 5 on it, it gets stuck at the boost logo screen. only way to fix is to flash 8 back on it.
so if anyone has an idea or a good zv5 image, or a link or something! or a way to root it as is.. please help!!!
thanx
-r0b
Hey, there is a new root method out for some lg phones, and this method worked on my friends Venice last night, check it out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42951767
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Root achieved!!!
Download latest Framaroot and select Gandolf exploit! Takes 2 seconds and works! Verified with root checker and by deleting bloatware.
Download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2130276
Hi I'm new here, does anyone have the firmware LG730ZV8?
Hi I'm new here, does anyone have the firmware/rom LG730ZV8? Im sorry I know its an old phone but I want to give it to someone and it is currently bricked. I believe I could get it working again by changing the firmware/rom on it but I have looked in google for it and every link has expired. Can anyone please give me a hand, it will be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance.
need Lg venice lg730 cab file/ way to unbrick this phone with other models stock
need lg venice lg730 any official .cab file. i have its zip rooted zv8 stock but this phone does not have custom recovery install, if some one have any idea to unbrick this phone with any other lg models stock kindly tell me,
Shouting out to xxApocalypticKillaXx, @nasirahmed, @Java Cat, @L3thal1ty , @X-Modder-X-Root- - we need these .cab to unbrick. Please somebody re-up!
(LG sucks and removed the files from their server)
I don't have an lg730.... I have an lg710T
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Shouting out to xxApocalypticKillaXx, @nasirahmed, @Java Cat, @L3thal1ty , @X-Modder-X-Root- - we need these .cab to unbrick. Please somebody re-up!
(LG sucks and removed the files from their server)
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Good Morning Everyone!!!
First off I would like to say sorry if i am posting this under the wrong section but i was not able to find a section for the Gpad 7.0 (if it is can a mod please move) So back to my dilemma here well I hard brick my New LG GPad from sprint a few days ago and I cannot get this thing up and running mainly because of the lack of availability of files (No KDZ, No TOT) so im wondering is someone on the forums who owns a WORKING Sprint LG GPad F7.0 (LGLK430) would be able to send me a copy of a backup of the device from QPST in the QCN format so that i can try to restore my device that way. Or if someone has one of the lg firmware files preferably the TOT or the hex files for QPST (None of the ones i have found online seem to be compatible with this device) that would work aswell. I know alor of people are going to say " Why dont you just take it back to sprint?" and I dont want to do this because i enjoy working with my devices and leaning new things and correcting my mistakes, taking the tablet back will be like my last resort. So sorry for the long post but i just wanna say thanks in advance to anyone who can help out
Hi! I don't have your device but if I might make a suggestion. Google for lg_imei_checker_2014_b1, enter your device's IMEI and see if the IMEI checker will provide a download for a KDZ for your device. Good luck!
Hello, Thank you for the response unfortunately i have already tried this method and there does not seem to be one publicly available and i say that because this website gaodi.net seems to have the TOT and KDZ but i was not able to get an account setup or meet the requirement due to unknown errors
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Hello, Thank you for the response unfortunately i have already tried this method and there does not seem to be one publicly available and i say that because this website gaodi.net seems to have the TOT and KDZ but i was not able to get an account setup or meet the requirement due to unknown errors
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i have tried registering for this site to download the LK430 stock firmware as well i made an account but need a certain amount of points to download it and this site seems to be the only one that has the firmware so it kinda sucks lol can anyone find this firmware on another site???
heres a link to the site if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated
http://mobile.gaodi.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=668701
Sprint LK430
http://mobile.gaodi.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=668701[/QUOTE]
I have tried registering for the site and am trying to obtain points to download the file but the requirement requires $$$$$ :crying: IF anyone finds the stock files for this tab would be greatly appreciated
I have a stock Gpad 7 and would gladly help you if you can tell me how to do it
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LittleRedDot said:
I have a stock Gpad 7 and would gladly help you if you can tell me how to do it
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Thanks hun that would be awesome. as for the steps if you could please try this guide and let me know if you have success with it.
sanfranciscoandroid.co.uk/android/unlock-orange-san-francisco-ii/install-qpst-and-backup-qcn-orange-san-francisco-ii/
sprint stock recovery
could you upload a copy of your recovery. i cannot get mind to work and my tab is all hosed up. thanks
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I have a stock Gpad 7 and would gladly help you if you can tell me how to do it
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LittleRedDot said:
I have a stock Gpad 7 and would gladly help you if you can tell me how to do it
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anyway you could upload a copy of the recovery image for the sprint variant
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anyway you could upload a copy of the recovery image for the sprint variant
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can't post a link. PM you the lk430 recovery I saved.
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can't post a link. PM you the lk430 recovery I saved.
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If you still have a LK430 stock recovery image I would really appreciate the link to download. My Gpad 7.0 from sprint is in a loop...Thanks!
tekgeek101 said:
If you still have a LK430 stock recovery image I would really appreciate the link to download. My Gpad 7.0 from sprint is in a loop...Thanks!
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PM sent.
Hey do you remember what site show you how to extract the recovery. I'm having a difficult time trying to get it back on my device. It won't get out of fastboot mode
bsteady2 said:
Hey do you remember what site show you how to extract the recovery. I'm having a difficult time trying to get it back on my device. It won't get out of fastboot mode
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-pad-10/general/dev-thread-lg-g-pad-7-0-8-0-10-1-t2838995
I followed this. Actually, I saw your post in this thread in the first place when I googled "lk430 recovery".
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-pad-10/general/dev-thread-lg-g-pad-7-0-8-0-10-1-t2838995
I followed this. Actually, I saw your post in this thread in the first place when I googled "lk430 recovery".
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Hello! I am also stuck in a boot loop. If you would please send the link for the stock image, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you.
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can't post a link. PM you the lk430 recovery I saved.
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If you could send me that link I would be very greatful!
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If you could send me that link I would be very greatful!
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Don't wanna mislead people. I'm not an experienced guy. I dumpped the stock recovery following the instruction in the thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-pad-10/general/dev-thread-lg-g-pad-7-0-8-0-10-1-t2838995). But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly and is this the file to save your pad from not booting or how to do it. The bottom line is that I don't wanna make it worse.
So, if you know what you're doing and you can tell from the file that it is exactly what you are looking for, PM me and I'll send you the link. Otherwise, I suggest you may get help from someone knows about compile stuff.
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Don't wanna mislead people. I'm not an experienced guy. I dumpped the stock recovery following the instruction in the thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-pad-10/general/dev-thread-lg-g-pad-7-0-8-0-10-1-t2838995). But, I'm not sure if I did it correctly and is this the file to save your pad from not booting or how to do it. The bottom line is that I don't wanna make it worse.
So, if you know what you're doing and you can tell from the file that it is exactly what you are looking for, PM me and I'll send you the link. Otherwise, I suggest you may get help from someone knows about compile stuff.
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I'm not sure if you got my PM, but I do know exactly what I need. That is the stock recovery.img for the LG G Pad F 7.0 LK430 (which is the Sprint variant).
I made the mistake of attempting to install TWRP for a different version of the G Pad back when I originally bought the device. Now I have no recovery.img and cannot factory reset. If you have extracted the recovery.img from your stock LK430, that would indeed help me and I would greatly appreciate it.
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Could someone please send me the recovery image as well? (Or ideally, upload it to a file hosting site and post a link so that people don't have to keep bugging you for it!) I want to install Xposed but I have no way of backing up my device since Nandroid doesn't support it! I rather have to go back to factory than be stuck with a brick should anything go horribly wrong. Thanks.
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Could someone please send me the recovery image as well? (Or ideally, upload it to a file hosting site and post a link so that people don't have to keep bugging you for it!) I want to install Xposed but I have no way of backing up my device since Nandroid doesn't support it! I rather have to go back to factory than be stuck with a brick should anything go horribly wrong. Thanks.
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Could you please provide an online storage which doesn't need register? I'll upload files to it.
I have an ATT ZenFone 2E that I rooted successfully with this guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3116531). Due to an error on my part(fat finger) I accidentally started the OTA update. Now when I try to boot the phone all I get is the AT&T logo/splash screen. I can get it to go into recovery mode and it also will connect via ADB. I have tried flashing the UL-ASUS_Z00D-WW-12.16.5.30-user.zip firmware via ADB fastboot but I get an error saying firmware is wrong carrier ATT (WW). Am I using the wrong firmware for AT&T? I have searched all over and cannot find any ZenFone 2 firmware other than WW, TW, and CN. Any help or suggestions much appreciated.
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I have an ATT ZenFone 2E that I rooted successfully with this guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3116531). Due to an error on my part(fat finger) I accidentally started the OTA update. Now when I try to boot the phone all I get is the AT&T logo/splash screen. I can get it to go into recovery mode and it also will connect via ADB. I have tried flashing the UL-ASUS_Z00D-WW-12.16.5.30-user.zip firmware via ADB fastboot but I get an error saying firmware is wrong carrier ATT (WW). Am I using the wrong firmware for AT&T? I have searched all over and cannot find any ZenFone 2 firmware other than WW, TW, and CN. Any help or suggestions much appreciated.
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i have the exact problem since saturday, you have to use the ATT firmware but i couldnt find it anywhere
also
please pm me if u fixed yours
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please pm me if u fixed yours
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Still no luck. I'm sure if we could find the AT&T firmware we would be able to recover. Unfortunately it appears it is not available on ASUS support and AT&T doesn't even provide firmware. Our only hope may be from a backup of another device that isn't bricked.
Does anybody know if we could possibly use the temporary CWM recovery used in the root method to flash to another ROM that is compatible with this device? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Are there any details I can provide that would be helpful in finding a solution to recover this device? I've seen a few other people are having the same issue as I am and I would like to help them as well if I can get mine fixed. Thanks
JRSouth said:
Are there any details I can provide that would be helpful in finding a solution to recover this device? I've seen a few other people are having the same issue as I am and I would like to help them as well if I can get mine fixed. Thanks
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ive literally tried everything, my device has been bricked for like 3 weeks now
Lactaid said:
ive literally tried everything, my device has been bricked for like 3 weeks now
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Just out of curiosity have you tried running the xoa_unroot.bat while your device is in recovery/fastboot mode? Im not sure if it will help but I've found in other threads that to avoid soft bricking your device you must run the unroot prior to applying the OTA update. I'm sure it's probably too late but maybe worth a shot. I'm going to try it when I get home from work today.
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Just out of curiosity have you tried running the xoa_unroot.bat while your device is in recovery/fastboot mode? Im not sure if it will help but I've found in other threads that to avoid soft bricking your device you must run the unroot prior to applying the OTA update. I'm sure it's probably too late but maybe worth a shot. I'm going to try it when I get home from work today.
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i havent tried it yet, do you have a tutorial of it?
The truth hurts, your screwd. This is a budget phone. At&t will not support it. Throw away device my their standards.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3505774&d=1444776691 here the system image for the file maybe try to flash it to see if it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63323103&postcount=118
^^^This worked for me successfully!
Make sure to only restore system and disable MD5 Checksum Verification.
I have the same problem, what do I do with that file? How do I apply it through the SD, so I can apply update from SD? I forgot pin code to phone so i need to restore
need help
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3505774&d=1444776691 here the system image for the file maybe try to flash it to see if it helps
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how do I flash this?
Hola, alguien lo consiguió hacer..???
Lactaid said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3505774&d=1444776691 here the system image for the file maybe try to flash it to see if it helps
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Im getting an error that day footer is wrong :/
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Im getting an error that day footer is wrong :/
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Wait, are you bricked and tried using that as the fix? I cant post links but Check out Asus, They have Firmware, Kernel (havent checked but read it earlier today), and Boot Unlock that you can get right from (assuming you have an account) My Products.
Also... Has anyone used that method recently?
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Sorry I will give credit to DavePmer for his guide in minute, but qouting him for some reason wouldnt let me post, even when I removed the links? anyways I'll edit and give credit I promise
So my phone is stuck on the Asus Logo, I downloaded all of this and followed the instructions all the way up to:
11) now the fun part. open your microsd card and check the folder TWRP\BACKUPS see if it has a folder named
01234567890123456789 if it does great if not, not a problem just copy all the system files from the folder
you extracted TWRP-zf2e-ATT_12.16.10.7 to your microsd card TWRP\BACKUP\01234567890123456789\ whatever folder you have next\ in other words, replace your system.ext4.win000 files with my system.ext4.win000 file.
Replace your system.ext4.win001 with mine, and replace system.ext4.win00.md5 with mine as well as system.ext4.win001.md5 when done safely dismount the microsd card.
It then occurred to me that i should be more careful this time around... This was from October and although I ran across links saying for the most part that this was a good shot for fixing my ZE500CL, Z00D or whatever. But things have changed since then and I was wondering if this is still the best/easiest/safe route. I learned pretty quick that over looking things like OTA/Root or in my case Making assumptions is a fast path to really doing a number on your phone. (Honestly I just started even giving thought to rooting my phone, just considered them back ups I kept in a box). I now have the itch to do this right so hoping to fix this and go about this the right way.
Thanks for any input.
Currently DLing RussaiNBeaR, went and bought a card reader/writer. I was going to Download the firmware, kernel and boot unlock tool but currently staying at a place where im getting 160kbs on my DL's. So if I can get away with davepmer's guide that would be great, or something other or smaller than downloading 4gbs on this Internet Connection.
EDIT: Forgot to add that I haven't completed this step yet because the wording kind of tripped me up. And I want to do this right. When he says "in other words replace your system.ext4.win000 files with my system.ext4.win000 file." and then goes on and 3 more to the list. Does that mean only copy and replace those 4? or does that include all system.(whatever).(extension) files? Im sure it sounds really dumb or noobish but the fact that the next step is using twrp to restore using system only makes me afraid to do this part wrong.
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ayuda
ATT ZE500CL/Z00D rom
WHATS THIS?
This is my port of CF-AUTOROOT for the Samsung Galaxy TAB E.
You flash this at your own risk. Please ensure you have the stock ROM to hand downloaded from SAMMOBILE or a TWRP backup in case of problems. This will trip the knox counter.
Flash with ODIN 3.10.7 in the AP slot.
Load the respective file below into the AP slot and hit start.
cfautoroot_sm-t377p.tar
cfautoroot_sm-t560nu.tar
NOTE: ON SOME 5.1.1 DEVICES IT IS NECESSARY TO GO TO:
Settings -> Developer Options -> OEM unlocking
AND ENABLE OEM UNLOCK FIRST OR YOU MAY ENCOUNTER 'BLOCKED BY FRP LOCK' WHEN FLASHING.
STOCK TWRP IMAGE FOR SM-T377P
This is a link to the stock system, boot, modem image for the T377P in case anyone needs it. Needs to be restored with twrp.
Thanks to @shawn1976 for providing this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/skuwsbzm2zigd83/sm-T377PVPU1AOJ5-boot-system-modem-only.zip?dl=0
Credits: Chainfire and my testers - Phrozen99 and nates730
Please note I don't own this device and spend a lot of my free time bringing these builds for you to use and benefit from.
THANKS.
DONATE ME HERE IF YOU WANT TO BUY ME A BEER OR HIT THE THANKS BUTTON IF I HELPED YOU
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FRP lock
Any suggestions on getting pass an FRP lock? My niece tried to root it but didn't turn on the enable OEM unlock. I just literally got it so don't have a back up and stock rom is no where I can find online even tried the Samsung Switch software and the T377P is not an option.
Jasn7766 said:
Any suggestions on getting pass an FRP lock? My niece tried to root it but didn't turn on the enable OEM unlock. I just literally got it so don't have a back up and stock rom is no where I can find online even tried the Samsung Switch software and the T377P is not an option.
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Isn't there a recovery mode in the SS software that allows the firmware to be reflashed?
ashyx said:
Isn't there a recovery mode in the SS software that allows the firmware to be reflashed?
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That was my plan ...however they do not support this model number yet so its not available to be reflashed. I checked sammobile as well figuring I could download firmware and use Odin to reflash and same situation.
There's a chance the sm-t377R4 firmware may flash as it's practically identical to the sprint firmware just a different csc.
Okay....will try and find that one.
Hi, I had a question. The Samsung Tab E is my first android device (I am a IOS user, so i know how to Jailbreak, but I don't know how to root!). My friend told me to root it, but I don't really know how to do it. Can you post a step by step tutorial. Also, after i rooted can i update my device to a newer version or do i have to remove the root. Lastly, how do you back up your device? Thank you! I appreciate your hard work!
Badob said:
Hi, I had a question. The Samsung Tab E is my first android device (I am a IOS user, so i know how to Jailbreak, but I don't know how to root!). My friend told me to root it, but I don't really know how to do it. Can you post a step by step tutorial. Also, after i rooted can i update my device to a newer version or do i have to remove the root. Lastly, how do you back up your device? Thank you! I appreciate your hard work!
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You can follow the tutorial below, it's for the Tab A but the procedure is identical.
Obviously don't use the cf_autoroot file in the tutorial use the one here. Also note the PDA button in Odin is now called AP.
http://techchomps.com/how-to-root-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-a-9-7/
ashyx said:
You can follow the tutorial below, it's for the Tab A but the procedure is identical.
Obviously don't use the cf_autoroot file in the tutorial use the one here. Also note the PDA button in Odin is now called AP.
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Thanks Man!!! Had some last questions: Can i update my device to a newer version (if available) or do i have to remove the root and how do you back up your device? Thank you again!
Badob said:
Thanks Man!!! Had some last questions: Can i update my device to a newer version (if available) or do i have to remove the root and how do you back up your device? Thank you again!
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You can update your device with odin anytime you want but not via ota.
To back up you device you need to install TWRP.
Search Google for info on using TWRP.
ashyx said:
You can update your device with odin anytime you want but not via ota.
To back up you device you need to install TWRP.
Search Google for info on using TWRP.
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Thanks For the help!
Where do I get TWRP for Tab E T560, and how do I install it?
Thank you.
Edit: Found the answer.
ashyx said:
There's a chance the sm-t377R4 firmware may flash as it's practically identical to the sprint firmware just a different csc.
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I tried the t377R4 firmware that didn't work. Any idea on where I could track down a copy of the t377p? Odd I can't even use the Samsung Smart Switch or even Kies as it doesn't recognize the model number. Or if anyone has a backup available they can share please let me know.
I have a US Cellular Samsung Tab E SM-T377R4 and I rooted it using the procedure below. The root process went fine and everything is working well except Recovery Mode does not work. It just boots to a black blank screen when I try to go to Recovery Mode. But that's no big deal to me.
ashyx said:
You can follow the tutorial below, it's for the Tab A but the procedure is identical.
Obviously don't use the cf_autoroot file in the tutorial use the one here. Also note the PDA button in Odin is now called AP.
http://techchomps.com/how-to-root-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-a-9-7/
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Stevenwsmith said:
I have a US Cellular Samsung Tab E SM-T377R4 and I rooted it using the procedure below. The root process went fine and everything is working well except Recovery Mode does not work. It just boots to a black blank screen when I try to go to Recovery Mode. But that's no big deal to me.
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Surprised recovery doesn't work, considering the 2 devices are identical specs.
Try installing Twrp, you'll probably find that works OK.
Jasn7766 said:
I tried the t377R4 firmware that didn't work. Any idea on where I could track down a copy of the t377p? Odd I can't even use the Samsung Smart Switch or even Kies as it doesn't recognize the model number. Or if anyone has a backup available they can share please let me know.
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Same problem here... I've been looking all over for a copy of the SM-T377P stock ROM. Anyone that happens to have a copy/link for it please share.
JohnICon said:
Same problem here... I've been looking all over for a copy of the SM-T377P stock ROM. Anyone that happens to have a copy/link for it please share.
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What's the issue?
Rooting gone bad... Rooted my SM-T377P with KingRoot and there is an FRP Lock that comes up a week later. All of the custom ROM versions I have keep getting rejected by ODIN every time I try to flash them. The only other way I can think of doing this is to flash the stock ROM for the device.
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Rooting gone bad... Rooted my SM-T377P with KingRoot and there is an FRP Lock that comes up a week later. All of the custom ROM versions I have keep getting rejected by ODIN every time I try to flash them. The only other way I can think of doing this is to flash the stock ROM for the device.
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You realise you can't flash a custom rom with odin?
Also when you flash the stock t377r4 firmware what part fails?
The aboot fails every time I try to flash it
Hi
Sorry if this has been posted before. I need a stock recovery for the Three network in Republic of Ireland. I want to unroot my phone but cant find the appropriate recovery.
Also, does anyone have a link to the All in One Toolkit for this phone? I found a link but it doesn't work for me.
thanks
starkovic said:
Hi
Sorry if this has been posted before. I need a stock recovery for the Three network in Republic of Ireland. I want to unroot my phone but cant find the appropriate recovery.
Also, does anyone have a link to the All in One Toolkit for this phone? I found a link but it doesn't work for me.
thanks
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What version of firmware are you running now?
You can find the stock recovery here.
If you are on Marshmallow now, you will need the 6.13.771.4 one, if on an earlier version of Android, match the first number and the 771 part.
Thanks for the reply. I'm on android 4.4.4, software number 3.32.771.10.
I'll look on page one now and see what I can find. Could anyone help me with the toolkit? I found a link for version 2 but it installed some Chinese virus on my PC!?
starkovic said:
Thanks for the reply. I'm on android 4.4.4, software number 3.32.771.10.
I'll look on page one now and see what I can find. Could anyone help me with the toolkit? I found a link for version 2 but it installed some Chinese virus on my PC!
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Here is the recovery: https://mega.nz/#!rg03iB7Y!wsQGCeiuYd-ElmgNns2QaHol_tT_Qx8M9gr0tBl-zuI
I can't help you with a toolkit, and usually recommend not to use them.
Nice one, thanks again. I'll give it a go without the toolkit, I haven't tried it that way yet but I'm sure I'll work it out ?