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[Q] Where are the custom ROMs???

I was so beyond elated when I got my Galaxy Note 8 (N5110) last night... couldn't want to flash this puppy and ROM it with some Cyanogen loveliness; but to my incredible surprise, I can't find any custom ROMs that don't have the Touch Wiz crap on it. WTH? This tablet was highly rated and I know it's not abscure so I'm wondering why there's so little development on this little wonderous machine. Ideas? Links that I've missed? Winning lottery numbers? All are welcome.

instead of asking what are others plan on doibg for your tablet wouldn't it be morw productive to ask and learn how to do it yourself?
it seems rather rude to ask for someone else to donate their free time with no compensation.

thewinelover said:
I was so beyond elated when I got my Galaxy Note 8 (N5110) last night... couldn't want to flash this puppy and ROM it with some Cyanogen loveliness; but to my incredible surprise, I can't find any custom ROMs that don't have the Touch Wiz crap on it. WTH? This tablet was highly rated and I know it's not abscure so I'm wondering why there's so little development on this little wonderous machine. Ideas? Links that I've missed? Winning lottery numbers? All are welcome.
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There's already a few threads like this, so not sure there's a point to another one. Either way, there is CivX custom rom and kernel, but yes it's based on stock TW. Emwno is working on a cm10.1 port too, and beanstown was supposed to develop a custom rom but that has now been delayed. Hopefully he will do it though at some point in the future. Aside from that not many devs seem to have the device which is a shame because the Note 8 rocks.

nothing more annoying on XDA then someone complaining about the lack of free software...quick whining, and learn how to do it yourself, so you can spend endless hours of YOUR personal life creating something that people can post complaints about, request things that you dont put in the rom, and just generally expect you to spend all of your free time upgrading, and improving for them every time they want something..

I agree with you it does rock. Just xame from a Lenovo A2109 where there was a LARGE dev community but no support for Mac users. Thought for sure there would be a crap load of devs here given the Samsung brand and its answer to the iPad mini. Personally, I think its much getter then the mini even though I'm a Mac girl... note: not an Apple fangirl... just a best in class user.
Anyway, thanks for telling me what to look for and which developers to keep and eye out for. Its painful to read post after post and subsequently page after page trying to find answers to my questions. I do appreciate it.
sefrcoko said:
There's already a few threads like this, so not sure there's a point to another one. Either way, there is CivX custom rom and kernel, but yes it's based on stock TW. Emwno is working on a cm10.1 port too, and beanstown was supposed to develop a custom rom but that has now been delayed. Hopefully he will do it though at some point in the future. Aside from that not many devs seem to have the device which is a shame because the Note 8 rocks.
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First and foremost, this post wasn't about *****ing... it was asking a question and expressing puzzlement. Second of all, I asked no one to DO anything or develop anything for "my device". You added nothing useful or enlightening so who's the one *****ing now? Hint: it's not me!
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nothing more annoying on XDA then someone complaining about the lack of free software...quick whining, and learn how to do it yourself, so you can spend endless hours of YOUR personal life creating something that people can post complaints about, request things that you dont put in the rom, and just generally expect you to spend all of your free time upgrading, and improving for them every time they want something..
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For every ROM that has worked for me, I have donated monetarily. For one device, I actually BOUGHT a unit for development. I've been on this board for several years and have never asked for anything except answers to my questions.
Second of all, I'm a web designer/developer who donates LOTS of time to those who don't know or ask for help. I don't ask for compensation; I ask for them to carry the info forward. It seems rather rude for you to assume and judge rather then ask.
madsquabbles said:
instead of asking what are others plan on doibg for your tablet wouldn't it be morw productive to ask and learn how to do it yourself?
it seems rather rude to ask for someone else to donate their free time with no compensation.
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thewinelover said:
First and foremost, this post wasn't about *****ing... it was asking a question and expressing puzzlement. Second of all, I asked no one to DO anything or develop anything for "my device". You added nothing useful or enlightening so who's the one *****ing now? Hint: it's not me!
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"puzzlement"? what are you puzzled about?
You've been a member here for SIX years; you know where the dev section is in this thread; the roms that are there are what we have at this point..
dont try to "veil" your complaint about so "little development" by saying you weren't complaining, just "asking a question"
We lose enough fantastic developers here when people start threads like this, so please don't encourage the few folks that are dev'ing for this device to leave as well..
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Gentlemen please stop making personal attacks.
I am sure she knows where is the place to find a custom rom although she doesn't mean this.
So if there is nothing constructive to add in this thread then just don't post.
Thank you.
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thewinelover said:
For every ROM that has worked for me, I have donated monetarily. For one device, I actually BOUGHT a unit for development. I've been on this board for several years and have never asked for anything except answers to my questions.
Second of all, I'm a web designer/developer who donates LOTS of time to those who don't know or ask for help. I don't ask for compensation; I ask for them to carry the info forward. It seems rather rude for you to assume and judge rather then ask.
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maybe I just misread your enthusiasm for the new tablet as cracking the whip on those hard working guys who do what thwy do and ask for norhing back. so If I mistook you excitement as a demand then I apologize.
the gnote 10.1 took a good while to get some dev work on it. for a good while all we had was root, which really wasn't bad at all. It's still not as active as say the s4 or gn2 development, but it still looks like qualiry work. I'd suppose it wouldn't be too hard to port a rom over, but then again what do I know, I ain't no dev.

thewinelover said:
I was so beyond elated when I got my Galaxy Note 8 (N5110) last night... couldn't want to flash this puppy and ROM it with some Cyanogen loveliness; but to my incredible surprise, I can't find any custom ROMs that don't have the Touch Wiz crap on it. WTH? This tablet was highly rated and I know it's not abscure so I'm wondering why there's so little development on this little wonderous machine. Ideas? Links that I've missed? Winning lottery numbers? All are welcome.
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I was under the impression you have to keep a lot of the Touch Wiz to keep the pen enabled. Otherwise it's just a generic 8" android tablet.

Thank you... I appreciate that; very much.
madsquabbles said:
maybe I just misread your enthusiasm for the new tablet as cracking the whip on those hard working guys who do what thwy do and ask for norhing back. so If I mistook you excitement as a demand then I apologize.
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I was very pleased that rooting was so easy. I had to unlock the bootloader in the HTC was a flippin' pain in the arse so I was THRILLED to learn we didn't have to do that on the Samsung. So, clearly I'm very glad to have root... and have deleted a lot of the Samsung crapware as I'm sure most of us have as well. Though I do have to ask... what is a "gnote"? I had a GTab once which was actually the Viewsonic GTablet. However, I've never heard of the GNote...
I'm not a software/hardware dev either... just web... and so wish I had time to learn. I'd be all over it like a gnat on poop!
madsquabbles said:
the gnote 10.1 took a good while to get some dev work on it. for a good while all we had was root, which really wasn't bad at all. It's still not as active as say the s4 or gn2 development, but it still looks like qualiry work. I'd suppose it wouldn't be too hard to port a rom over, but then again what do I know, I ain't no dev.
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Isn't the Touch Wiz on regular non-Note Samsung devices? For example the Galaxy II & III phones? Though I am just guessing as this is my first Samsung Android device.

*smile* Thank you. However, I am a she.
Siberian Tiger said:
Gentlemen please stop making personal attacks.
I am sure he knows where is the place to find a custom rom although he doesn't mean this.
So if there is nothing constructive to add in this thread then just don't post.
Thank you.
ST
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thewinelover said:
Isn't the Touch Wiz on regular non-Note Samsung devices? For example the Galaxy II & III phones? Though I am just guessing as this is my first Samsung Android device.
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yep, pretty much all samsung devices, except for the nexuses and the s4 developer ed have touch wiz. the big downside of using cm or aokp is that you'll lose pressure sensitivity with your pen (or at least that's how it was a few months ago and i haven't really check up on it).

I think its fine the way it is....
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Looks like we lost a V30 dev (A.I.S. ROM thread closed)

I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....

christoophat said:
I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....
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me too
I was waiting for a stable release to my v300s ?

Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.

intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.

christoophat said:
Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.
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True but that's why treble is great, there's a but load of GSI AOSP roms

From what I've seen so far at least on Axon7, is that most all of the GSIs still have a lot of non-working functions. The advantage of a "modified" stock ROM, is that it uses what was originally written for the device and can utilize all of the features we got the phone for in the first place, DAC, cameras, etc. For me rooted stock, debloated, with a different launcher & maybe some added audio goodies, & I B a happy camper.
But am always watching for custom ROMS that can deliver all the goodies. Fingers crossed. :good:

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Seriously you need to chill down.
Like I already said in one of my previous comments (which you probably asked to be deleted because I was telling the truth) - internet will always be a place for people to hide behind aliases while acting like assholes.
You should have ignored those people or reported them for flaming and offending you, as they are a tiny minority, most of the people actually praised you for your work.
Now ultimately what you do is your choice, but it's kind of a childish thing to do, especially considering the fact that you were also rude towards some people that had no bad intentions.
Once again, I wish you a good luck.

Plus adding less than perfect translation software into the mix can lead to misunderstandings between languages.

There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.

Atrizzain said:
There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.
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Pretty much

We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.

intruda119 said:
We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.
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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?

christoophat said:
Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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Exactly. If people didn't like the ROM they could ignore it. Some devs like suggestions, others have a take it or leave it attitude. It's their ROM, so they have that right -- especially when it's not a branded group ROM like Resurrection Remix or something.

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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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No. But getting to the point of a stable release helps. Rom was heading in a great direction if he wanted to continue the work. Best feature rich original rom ive seen in quite some time. Last few days of the thread was just asking questions. People were losing wifi, bluetooth and other issues. Someone mentioned volume slider being like 1-300 that pissed him off. Volume slider did nothing between 1-250 though.
This is not entitlement or being a ahole. When a dev decides to throw 1 million new features into a device the dev/creator might lose focus on the devs vision. Unless something was brewing before i entered the thread was nothing a seasoned user of xda/forums couldnt handle.
Rom was inconsistent across the board with parts installed that didnt work. Majority of the features didnt work correctly and we knew this rom was beta. But instead of being up front in the op users like myself didnt know what i was getting into. Nothing mentioned in the op about magisk or xposed not working. That you need to enable 20 apps to stop the annoyong popups all over the place.
Gboard stopped working in cettain apps. Which i woupd have mentioned nicely. Putting things q0 layers deep is sonmething also.
Being upfront would avoid a portion of the questions(atleast the users who read). Workinf smarter vs harder could have avoided some of the bs questions. I believe this rom was one of a kind which brings its own challenges.
Hopefully the dev comes back and shares his work again. Believe in being blunt with folks, enough people lying to us daily.
Conatructive critism. I do appreciate the hard work.

While some on here were harsh, he was a tool himself.

Agree with the above. And again, I feel that language barrier played a part in all this, as I have seen in other threads where non English speaking person reading something in translation that sounds derogatory to him tempers flare & it starts going in the toilet. Awaiting my V30, was searching thru the threads to find which I thought would be what I need. His held some promise, but yeah there were a lot of jumping thru hoops activity to get it installed/working etc per what I was reading thru.There was a dev in the Axon7 section who released like 6 different ROMS, all in the same thread , it became a nightmare just trying to keep track of which ROM was which. I was kind of surprised the mods let it go that way.
Simple & direct is bestest

intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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You see, those things make a great dev quit, like just be grateful, the Dev knows those problems and did his best, and all he get was "can you please fix [something] " or people not actually reading the thread properly

It's simple folks. Really. Members who contribute work here don't owe anyone anything. Not updates, fixes, explanations, nothing. This isn't a candy store, and nobody has the right to demand anything from anyone, or criticize anyone for anything. If you don't like someone's work, or it's not up to your standards, then move on to something else, quietly. Or even better, create your own work, anyone can learn. And this site has many resources to help you learn.
On the flip side, people will complain, whine and demand, it can't be avoided. But, we have a report system for anyone over the top or too disrespectful. Or, simply ignore them. Getting upset and lashing out is definitely no way to handle it, and will end up bringing trouble to your door.
This is the internet, without a thick skin, it's a harsh place to be.
Developers do this for free and for fun, and no one has the right to complain about anything. And, if it's not fun anymore, I suggest another hobby. Life's too short to spend time on something that's lost its charm for you.
And so, thread closed. Don't need a thread to debate any of the above. Anyone here could start developing, instead of waiting for others to do it. So let's move on. :good:
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Custom ROMs and Kernel development?

Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I know we have one of the best time devs he had a locked bootloader Las t I heard tho

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I'm using this kernel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...-pro-cross-device-development/kernel-t4002781
It is very good.

xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.

thedrizzle said:
There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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you kidding right?

One of the major Problems is twrp still needs time for Android 10.
It's a problem for every device.

You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.

thedrizzle said:
There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?

hightech316 said:
Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?
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Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.

Skripka said:
Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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Awhhh man , PM me.
I try to contribute, I am working on a new nethunter kernel that supports

mjwhirly said:
You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.
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yea, saw this and got excited cause he really seems to know his stuff, but then i realized he just released the last/final version for oos and wont be continuing to provide for the original os.

Skripka said:
Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?

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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?
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I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.

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I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.
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Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.

I miss the old Nexus days easy to root support galore.

jcotterman said:
Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.
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Yep - cut my teeth on the HTC phones. Still used them off and on up to the 10.
NATF used to do the best WM ROMs back in the day.

So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?

aaryan45 said:
So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?
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7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available

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7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available
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My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones

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My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones
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Why not? Just wait for twrp development. 7 pro, 7T and 7T pro will have same rom and kernal development as the source is almost same.

To have or not to have a bootloader unlock options will influence buyers

My advice to the one who checks Xda before deciding to buy a mobile should never consider buying from Vivo/Iqoo(only if you don't care 'bout modding). There is no hope of development for the brand who choose the path of not giving the bootloader unlock option and not sharing the kernel.
Not every OS is perfect, even the famous Oxygen OS is not perfect that why there is lots of tweaks and mods developed for them. So, its a dead end road for Iqoo. I too was a OnePlus user but because of there pricing in the later phone i look for a little cheaper phone with a good hardware and i am stuck on Iqoo....... In short, if you love modding, Magisk etc. then never think of Iqoo/Vivo
Even the Xda community should better consider of not giving a chance of opening a forum simply because its a waste of resource for those that doesn't have a bootloader unlock options and kernel release

My poco is dead and i am seriously considering this device because ( I too was an OnePlus user but because of there pricing in the later phone i look for a little cheaper phone with a good hardware ). now i dont know what to buy.
Do you have any suggestions for me?

Depend on users need and requirement. So, hard to say what you are into.

karige said:
My advice to the one who checks Xda before deciding to buy a mobile should never consider buying from Vivo/Iqoo(only if you don't care 'bout modding). There is no hope of development for the brand who choose the path of not giving the bootloader unlock option and not sharing the kernel.
Not every OS is perfect, even the famous Oxygen OS is not perfect that why there is lots of tweaks and mods developed for them. So, its a dead end road for Iqoo. I too was a OnePlus user but because of there pricing in the later phone i look for a little cheaper phone with a good hardware and i am stuck on Iqoo....... In short, if you love modding, Magisk etc. then never think of Iqoo/Vivo
Even the Xda community should better consider of not giving a chance of opening a forum simply because its a waste of resource for those that doesn't have a bootloader unlock options and kernel release
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agreed.. i too was going to buy this.. and was searching for some community developed roms.. shocked to find such a powerful device with great potential have it's bootloader locked... i went with realme x2 pro.. the development is not that great.. but it's there atleast.

raghul said:
agreed.. i too was going to buy this.. and was searching for some community developed roms.. shocked to find such a powerful device with great potential have it's bootloader locked... i went with realme x2 pro.. the development is not that great.. but it's there atleast.
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Good choice to have Realme X2 Pro

karige said:
My advice to the one who checks Xda before deciding to buy a mobile should never consider buying from Vivo/Iqoo(only if you don't care 'bout modding). There is no hope of development for the brand who choose the path of not giving the bootloader unlock option and not sharing the kernel.
Not every OS is perfect, even the famous Oxygen OS is not perfect that why there is lots of tweaks and mods developed for them. So, its a dead end road for Iqoo. I too was a OnePlus user but because of there pricing in the later phone i look for a little cheaper phone with a good hardware and i am stuck on Iqoo....... In short, if you love modding, Magisk etc. then never think of Iqoo/Vivo
Even the Xda community should better consider of not giving a chance of opening a forum simply because its a waste of resource for those that doesn't have a bootloader unlock options and kernel release
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Thank you for your advice!
I was thinking in buy Iqoo neo 5, but after found your post totally changed my mind.
So I will search for other device, maybe redmi k40 or wait for release of Oneplus 9.

What a waste these forums have become

It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.

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It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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The android phone market is a trap that many people fall into. Yesterday, we were buying smarthphones to make them last, and Xda was there to give these phones a second life. But today, people are buying phones because they MUST buy. It's become a fashion accessory, and this consumption pattern has affected the look of the forum. The world of new technologies no longer takes the time to live, unfortunately ...

Trace.Oneil said:
It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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I would like to point out something you may have missed, i could be mistaken. However, this is (my reply) is truly valid.
I have modded smart phones and devices, i usually follow tutorials, Even if i may seem invisible. With that said, yes the infrastructure of technology is to move forward and "keep up'. I believe you missed what xda-developers means.
You don't need to keep up with the trends, afterall it's a decision only you can make.
Maybe you would benefit from buying old devices, and creating your own design. Customised. Just like an artist paints a pucture, inspired by the souroudning.
Please understand that I'm just a menber as you, but using an alternative thought process of what's going on here. I am unbiased, so i basically sit on the fence with everything. But c'mon. I ported andoid 11 on an S2. Unstable, but thats why this place exists. You have provided valuable feedback. I agree on one side, but would never bite the hanf that feeds me. so to speak..
I believe in development and not destruction.
In your case, honestly. if you're happy with it, stick with it.

Trace.Oneil said:
It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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Thank you for your feedback. We are actively working on ways to promote more helping and sharing of content on XDA. If you have any ideas, would love to hear about them!
The issue I have seen over the years is that many people come on XDA looking for it to be a "help site". Many want something for free. But, in order to get, you should give. XDA is about sharing of mobile device knowledge.

bitpushr said:
Thank you for your feedback. We are actively working on ways to promote more helping and sharing of content on XDA. If you have any ideas, would love to hear about them!
The issue I have seen over the years is that many people come on XDA looking for it to be a "help site". Many want something for free. But, in order to get, you should give. XDA is about sharing of mobile device knowledge.
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Help whores... some too lazy or inept to do Google searches and take the time to sort it out.
After which they vanish*.
Problem with that is to use these devices effectively you must immerse yourself in them to some degree.
This site provides an effective platform to aid that learning curve whatever your end goal is.
Learning from others mistakes is always better than making them yourself...
Both Google and the manufacturers push OS's and hardware platforms in a self serving way which is many times in direct conflict with the end user's best interests. This site helps to provide workarounds for the many issues this creates.
Something for everyone is not a bad thing...
*That's better than the spammers hawking the voodoo wuv

Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.

Trace.Oneil said:
Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.
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Part the problem is the thread shows up once in the sea of other threads and quickly gets sunk to the bottom.
It's a busy site. Not sure what can be done expect bumping the thread every few days or whatever.
Separating the rooting, moding, new app threads from general questions might help... or just create more confusion. Probably do more harm than good.
(Edit) Personally I enjoy the cross exposure to other devices and platforms as it increases my knowledge/awareness base.
It's fascinating even if I don't always understand all of it.

Trace.Oneil said:
Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.
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Lot's of stuff for older devices has been covered. i.e. developers move on to latest devices, they develop, research, post etc. before moving on and at some point that device becomes an "older" device of which info/data already exists..
either way, cant expect everything to be covered as it's impossible. I was at that point once upon a time.. once i realized cant always rely on an experienced dev to be there to answer all my questions is when its great to research and learn on your own.. eventually stuff will become easy and you might have ppl asking u for help.. thats a positive thing about xda and the internet, theres endless knowledge out there if you are patient and willing to learn.

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Lowxorx said:
The android phone market is a trap that many people fall into. Yesterday, we were buying smarthphones to make them last, and Xda was there to give these phones a second life. But today, people are buying phones because they MUST buy. It's become a fashion accessory, and this consumption pattern has affected the look of the forum. The world of new technologies no longer takes the time to live, unfortunately ...
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That, but also the fact that the technology has slowed down quite a bit. It was only a few years ago where most phones would begin to feel slightly sluggish on stock OS after a year of updates...Now? A relative of mine bought a mid range Motorola phone from 2019 and it's fast as can be, game wise it's decent too. The incentive to eek out more "oomph" isn't as high as it used to be - imo.