Hi all,
I just got a new HTC 10 due to its good speaker review and its size, not too small, not too big. Right after I made the purchase, I started to read more to learn about the phone and realize there is a possibility of getting a fake phones. So, when I got the phone yesterday, I started to scrutinize it quite a bit. The box arrived sealed, the phone looks new, no blemish. It also feel good in the hand. Overall, nothing to complain about the look and the fell.
Upon opening the box, I noticed that a few things which made me wonder if this is an original phone:
1. the phone came in a generic clear plastic as oppose to a more formal sticker with HTC logo as seen in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHXXQmFq6I&t=278s
2. the sim card opener is not the same as those showed on Youtube in the shape and the location in the box. Those on Youtube are on the document box while this one is in another box. It is also hollow compared to the almost solid one on Youtube.
3. Although the charger seems to be a quick charger, I got the message on the phone that it is not.
4. Another thing is the software update. According to HTC website (https://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-10/news/), the latest version is 3.16.617.2 but the phone shows the version 3.16.401.2 which is an older version. However, when I clicked on the Check Update button, I got the message that everything is up-to-date. The wallpaper of the phone looks like that of the ROM Pyrana-3.16.401.2 but the root check shows that the phone is not rooted.
Then, I bench marked it with Geekbench 4 and and Antutu. The result from Geekbench 4 is normal at 1690 and 3781 for single and muti-core while the results fro Antutu showed an abnormal ROM score (see picture). The device test with Antutu does show all specification are met.
Can someone knows more about this phone let me know if what kind of phone I got.
Thanks,
hochoi
hochoi said:
Hi all,
I just got a new HTC 10 due to its good speaker review and its size, not too small, not too big. Right after I made the purchase, I started to read more to learn about the phone and realize there is a possibility of getting a fake phones. So, when I got the phone yesterday, I started to scrutinize it quite a bit. The box arrived sealed, the phone looks new, no blemish. It also feel good in the hand. Overall, nothing to complain about the look and the fell.
Upon opening the box, I noticed that a few things which made me wonder if this is an original phone:
1. the phone came in a generic clear plastic as oppose to a more formal sticker with HTC logo as seen in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VHXXQmFq6I&t=278s
2. the sim card opener is not the same as those showed on Youtube in the shape and the location in the box. Those on Youtube are on the document box while this one is in another box. It is also hollow compared to the almost solid one on Youtube.
3. Although the charger seems to be a quick charger, I got the message on the phone that it is not.
4. Another thing is the software update. According to HTC website (https://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-10/news/), the latest version is 3.16.617.2 but the phone shows the version 3.16.401.2 which is an older version. However, when I clicked on the Check Update button, I got the message that everything is up-to-date. The wallpaper of the phone looks like that of the ROM Pyrana-3.16.401.2 but the root check shows that the phone is not rooted.
Then, I bench marked it with Geekbench 4 and and Antutu. The result from Geekbench 4 is normal at 1690 and 3781 for single and muti-core while the results fro Antutu showed an abnormal ROM score (see picture). The device test with Antutu does show all specification are met.
Can someone knows more about this phone let me know if what kind of phone I got.
Thanks,
hochoi
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The software version posted on HTC website is for US Unlocked.
The one you have is WWE and has the last available update for WWE.
It doesn't sound like you have anything to really be concerned about.
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santod040 said:
The software version posted on HTC website is for US Unlocked.
The one you have is WWE and has the last available update for WWE.
It doesn't sound like you have anything to really be concerned about.
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Thanks, Santod. This eases my nerve a bit. I just learned that WWE is World Wide Edition? The benchmark from Antutu from ROM showed abnormal score is also not a concern? How's about the Quick Charge not working as it should? LTE speed is also much slower compared to Nexus 5. Is there a reason for that?
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Thanks, Santod. This eases my nerve a bit. I just learned that WWE is World Wide Edition? The benchmark from Antutu from ROM showed abnormal score is also not a concern? How's about the Quick Charge not working as it should? LTE speed is also much slower compared to Nexus 5. Is there a reason for that?
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You really shouldn't worry about antutu score, i got it also with the stock rom... About network speed, htc 10 should definitely get better speed but maybe it was just poor reception... Try to find some htc imei check to check your device...i think that is the best way to see if it is real or fake... I also think that it is real...good luck
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You really shouldn't worry about antutu score, i got it also with the stock rom... About network speed, htc 10 should definitely get better speed but maybe it was just poor reception... Try to find some htc imei check to check your device...i think that is the best way to see if it is real or fake... I also think that it is real...good luck
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Thanks, krokanic. I used swappa to check. The result was no result for the ESN and the device does not appear on the blacklist. What does this mean with the ESN? Is it because the phone is a WWE? oTHER imei check did not provide meaningful details. However, when using imei24.com, I got more details (see picture). The part which caught my eyes is the warranty start and end. Does this mean the phone was activated on 6/30/2016? If it is, it can not be a new phone. The internet speed is also strange. I used the same sim for the nexus5 and this one, htc phone is always much slower.
Just boot to download mode and check the specs, if there is no download mode it's a fake, if there are things in download mode you don't understand you write them down here.
The date could also be production date, this device model is almost 3 years old. It's no longer in production so you will never get a "new" device. Maybe one new in the box but the production date will never be from this January for example.
Don't trust those imei check sites too much, i have different outcomes on different imei check websites. It's an indication but don't lean to much on them.
Mr Hofs said:
Just boot to download mode and check the specs, if there is no download mode it's a fake, if there are things in download mode you don't understand you write them down here.
The date could also be production date, this device model is almost 3 years old. It's no longer in production so you will never get a "new" device. Maybe one new in the box but the production date will never be from this January for example.
Don't trust those imei check sites too much, i have different outcomes on different imei check websites. It's an indication but don't lean to much on them.
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Thanks, Mr Hofs. I understand that this phone is not in production anymore. I was hoping to get one of the last few. Please take a look at the picture and help me check if there is anything not normal. I put arrows next to some of the items. If there is an explanation for those, it is appreciated.
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Thanks, Mr Hofs. I understand that this phone is not in production anymore. I was hoping to get one of the last few. Please take a look at the picture and help me check if there is anything not normal. I put arrows next to some of the items. If there is an explanation for those, it is appreciated.
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It's a geniune HTC 10, no doubt there. Only thing is that the bootloader is locked and you have S-OFF status, that is not a bad thing at all but it could well be a second hand one because S-OFF is usually done via the developers of "sunshine" and not factory stock.
You can install the sunshine app (check the S-OFF sunshine xda thread) and walk through the steps, if it proceeds without payment it's already registered there and therefore definetly a second hand device.
Oh and the fused status is pretty normal.
https://www.xda-developers.com/divi...les-fuse-replacement-will-reduce-io-overhead/
@santod040 knows more about that too i believe
But that's about it.
Mr Hofs said:
It's a geniune HTC 10, no doubt there. Only thing is that the bootloader is locked and you have S-OFF status, that is not a bad thing at all but it could well be a second hand one because S-OFF is usually done via the developers of "sunshine" and not factory stock.
You can install the sunshine app (check the S-OFF sunshine xda thread) and walk through the steps, if it proceeds without payment it's already registered there and therefore definetly a second hand device.
Oh and the fused status is pretty normal.
https://www.xda-developers.com/divi...les-fuse-replacement-will-reduce-io-overhead/
@santod040 knows more about that too i believe
But that's about it.
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Thank you so much, Mr Hofs. It is a good news to learn that this is a genuine device. If the bootloader is locked, does it prevent me from "playing around" with the phone?
I still have not fully understood what you explained about sunshine but will work on it. Hope to continue to get your guidance along the way.
Is this http://theroot.ninja/ what you mentioned about sunshine? I need to download the apk file and install it to the phone? If it went through without asking for the money, it is a second hand device? This phone was sold as an unlocked one. Is it possible that the S-off is related to this unlock?
hochoi said:
Thank you so much, Mr Hofs. It is a good news to learn that this is a genuine device. If the bootloader is locked, does it prevent me from "playing around" with the phone?
I still have not fully understood what you explained about sunshine but will work on it. Hope to continue to get your guidance along the way.
Is this http://theroot.ninja/ what you mentioned about sunshine? I need to download the apk file and install it to the phone? If it went through without asking for the money, it is a second hand device? This phone was sold as an unlocked one. Is it possible that the S-off is related to this unlock?
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Unlocked model typically means it's network unlocked.
That's completely different than bootloader unlocked.
Most devices are carrier unlocked by default now, due to fcc regulations.
In order to "play" around with it, s-off is all that's required, bootloader can remain locked.
I notice it also has Super CID.
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hochoi said:
Thank you so much, Mr Hofs. It is a good news to learn that this is a genuine device. If the bootloader is locked, does it prevent me from "playing around" with the phone?
I still have not fully understood what you explained about sunshine but will work on it. Hope to continue to get your guidance along the way.
Is this http://theroot.ninja/ what you mentioned about sunshine? I need to download the apk file and install it to the phone? If it went through without asking for the money, it is a second hand device? This phone was sold as an unlocked one. Is it possible that the S-off is related to this unlock?
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Therootninja is indeed what i was referring to. Proceed as been mentioned. Sunshine will never be done by HTC itself so therefore it is a second hand device if it is registered.
Santod040 has put some light on the unlocked thing already ?
santod040 said:
Unlocked model typically means it's network unlocked.
That's completely different than bootloader unlocked.
Most devices are carrier unlocked by default now, due to fcc regulations.
In order to "play" around with it, s-off is all that's required, bootloader can remain locked.
I notice it also has Super CID.
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Thanks, santod. I will read a bit more to learn what super CID is.
Is it safe t install the apk file from http://theroot.ninja/ to see if the phone is a second hand device? I got a warning when trying to download it.
santod040 said:
Unlocked model typically means it's network unlocked.
That's completely different than bootloader unlocked.
Most devices are carrier unlocked by default now, due to fcc regulations.
In order to "play" around with it, s-off is all that's required, bootloader can remain locked.
I notice it also has Super CID.
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Thanks, santod. I will read a bit more to learn what super CID is.
Is it safe t install the apk file from http://theroot.ninja/ to see if the phone is a second hand device? I got a warning when trying to download it.
Am I right to think that the slow charge with a quick charger can be caused by a defective charger, not the phone or the battery? It has been 33' and it only charge from 11% to 29%. Definitely too slow.
Just got the second HTC in. And the quick charger is actually working fine on the new phone. So, the slow charge is on the phone or the battery. I hope someone can give a tip to determine the real cause.
hochoi said:
Thanks, santod. I will read a bit more to learn what super CID is.
Is it safe t install the apk file from http://theroot.ninja/ to see if the phone is a second hand device? I got a warning when trying to download it.
Am I right to think that the slow charge with a quick charger can be caused by a defective charger, not the phone or the battery? It has been 33' and it only charge from 11% to 29%. Definitely too slow.
Just got the second HTC in. And the quick charger is actually working fine on the new phone. So, the slow charge is on the phone or the battery. I hope someone can give a tip to determine the real cause.
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With super CID you can install any RUU package. However, you won't be able to get OTA Updates. OTA really doesn't matter anymore because they stopped @ Oreo 8.1 If you want Android Pie 9.0 you can read the Lineage OS 16 thread, the latest build seems fairly stable.
Some of these slow chargers aren't built very well. I just bought a used HTC 10 for my wife and all the accessories were new, but the new charger didn't work at all. Another possibility, it might not be a quick charger. Read the Amps on it. Should be 5v @ about 2Amps anything below 2 amps is a slow charger.
I see the charger worked with your newer phone, so I hope you aren't having battery issues (it's buried pretty deep under the board) not impossible to change, but not for the light hearted either. Maybe a senior member can suggest a battery diag tool or something else to help with that.
mudrunner88 said:
With super CID you can install any RUU package. However, you won't be able to get OTA Updates. OTA really doesn't matter anymore because they stopped @ Oreo 8.1 If you want Android Pie 9.0 you can read the Lineage OS 16 thread, the latest build seems fairly stable.
Some of these slow chargers aren't built very well. I just bought a used HTC 10 for my wife and all the accessories were new, but the new charger didn't work at all. Another possibility, it might not be a quick charger. Read the Amps on it. Should be 5v @ about 2Amps anything below 2 amps is a slow charger.
I see the charger worked with your newer phone, so I hope you aren't having battery issues (it's buried pretty deep under the board) not impossible to change, but not for the light hearted either. Maybe a senior member can suggest a battery diag tool or something else to help with that.
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Thanks for your input, mudrunner. The charger is definitely fine. I probably will request a replacement. Both phones looks fantastic cosmetically and run fairly well. Is there a way to check if it is a refurbished or used phone?
Just my 2 cents.
To me, it personally looks like you got a (certified?) refurbished device, or one that is new condition and was re-packaged for sale. It being s-off and supercid to me, looks like someone used the phone and kept good care of it (esp. It being on the latest firmware as well) and that is what you bought, which is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't surprise me to see ppl seeking out a new HTC 10. It's a great device and the only phone I've had for more than 2 years.
As for the charger and some more ideas, it's possible you are on a custom rom (edited to look like stock, editing build.prop, removing superuser, etc), or even stock ruu and a rom was never flashed. Being supercid I think is either because it was changed to another variant, or it came this way from s-off (mine came back supercid when sent out for s-off) and maybe there's an issue with the rom, you could flash twrp and another rom if you were wanting to do that, and see.
One thing I suggest to also check is what your battery capacity is at. Accubattery is a good app on the playstore that gives you an estimate. An example for me, I've had my phone since Verizon launch day and am pretty lucky to have it at around 77% considering the usage I've gotten out of it over the past few years and all the rom flashing. For the past 8 months or so I only charge the device to 85% each day and charge it before bed and I usually have about 30% left. I only charge to 100% when I know I will need it, but the accubattery app will explain why I chose to do this.
May I ask where you bought it?
andybones said:
Just my 2 cents.
To me, it personally looks like you got a (certified?) refurbished device, or one that is new condition and was re-packaged for sale. It being s-off and supercid to me, looks like someone used the phone and kept good care of it (esp. It being on the latest firmware as well) and that is what you bought, which is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't surprise me to see ppl seeking out a new HTC 10. It's a great device and the only phone I've had for more than 2 years.
As for the charger and some more ideas, it's possible you are on a custom rom (edited to look like stock, editing build.prop, removing superuser, etc), or even stock ruu and a rom was never flashed. Being supercid I think is either because it was changed to another variant, or it came this way from s-off (mine came back supercid when sent out for s-off) and maybe there's an issue with the rom, you could flash twrp and another rom if you were wanting to do that, and see.
One thing I suggest to also check is what your battery capacity is at. Accubattery is a good app on the playstore that gives you an estimate. An example for me, I've had my phone since Verizon launch day and am pretty lucky to have it at around 77% considering the usage I've gotten out of it over the past few years and all the rom flashing. For the past 8 months or so I only charge the device to 85% each day and charge it before bed and I usually have about 30% left. I only charge to 100% when I know I will need it, but the accubattery app will explain why I chose to do this.
May I ask where you bought it?
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Thanks for your inputs, anybones. I like the sound quality of this phone a lot. I think it is way better than Pixel 2. I bought it on ebay from a Chinese seller (with decent reputation of 98.5%). I knew the risk and was hoping to get one of the last phones still around. I tend to agree with you on the refurbished/second hand aspect. I have to say that the phone look and feel are fantastic. It may be given a brand new case (they definitely can easily do that if they want to). I used Accubattery to check the battery too and it is only 2000 which is not so great! Battery is one of the ticking point for me since the battery of this phone is not easy to replace. Other than the battery, the benchmarks on the phone are subpar but acceptable.
hochoi said:
Thanks for your inputs, anybones. I like the sound quality of this phone a lot. I think it is way better than Pixel 2. I bought it on ebay from a Chinese seller (with decent reputation of 98.5%). I knew the risk and was hoping to get one of the last phones still around. I tend to agree with you on the refurbished/second hand aspect. I have to say that the phone look and feel are fantastic. It may be given a brand new case (they definitely can easily do that if they want to). I used Accubattery to check the battery too and it is only 2000 which is not so great! Battery is one of the ticking point for me since the battery of this phone is not easy to replace. Other than the battery, the benchmarks on the phone are subpar but acceptable.
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I personally am on nougat crdroid rom, love it.
Accubattery gets "smarter" I guess is the word, the longer you have and use it, so keep it installed, I've had it for almost a year, low app battery footprint. For awhile mine was saying 72% but has been at 77% since I've been just basically making sure I have a charge cable on me, and charge it to 85% max unless I need a full charge which never happens, only time I've been going above 85% us when I miss the alarm I set for when it reaches certain percentages - - if u use GSam battery monitor, I use that. Hopefully with time you will get a better reading. I agree, I feel the lag in my device, but I also only reboot the phone maybe 2-3 times a month.
andybones said:
I personally am on nougat crdroid rom, love it.
Accubattery gets "smarter" I guess is the word, the longer you have and use it, so keep it installed, I've had it for almost a year, low app battery footprint. For awhile mine was saying 72% but has been at 77% since I've been just basically making sure I have a charge cable on me, and charge it to 85% max unless I need a full charge which never happens, only time I've been going above 85% us when I miss the alarm I set for when it reaches certain percentages - - if u use GSam battery monitor, I use that. Hopefully with time you will get a better reading. I agree, I feel the lag in my device, but I also only reboot the phone maybe 2-3 times a month.
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I may go for the custom rom after I learn enough about this phone
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"Tampered" screen. S-On. HBOOT-1.57 with loop. Is there any way to save this phone?
So I was trying to follow the guide to completely return a phone to stock to return it to a seller due to hardware issues (they sent me a not so great repair job. I tried to live with it for a while but just couldn't.) But with missing files and etc I was having troubles getting it all to work. I probably should have just downgraded completely down to 1.10 or something. Anyway, I had the odexed full 4.10 installed but forgot that it wasn't quite 100% stock because I had to grab the TWRP flashable version. The intent was to let it do the OTA upgrade to 5.28 and be 100% stock (plus I wanted to be sure that the OTA function worked so the next person to get the hardware could get the 5.0 update whenever it hits. If. I didn't want them to be stuck with a partially working phone any worse than the already existing hardware problems.) Before the OTA update finished I thought I should S-On since all was working. Ok, I screwed up and I don't deny it. But now what do I do? From what I understand, the only way around the "tampered" bootloop is to flash a stock RUU. But thanks to Verizon's bloody bootloader lockdowns, options are extremely limited there and I can't just flash an older RUU. Since it's HBOOT 1.57, that means that the old 2.10 and lower RUUs aren't going to cut it and I'm not finding anything newer for the Verizon models anywhere. It's ridiculous that this situation even exists IMO since the whole goal here is to go back to 100% stock and their system to force people to stay stock is the very thing stopping me from doing so. But worse, it's now basically a brick...
Is there any way at all to save this phone, or am I utterly hopelessly screwed?
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So I was trying to follow the guide to completely return a phone to stock to return it to a seller due to hardware issues (they sent me a not so great repair job. I tried to live with it for a while but just couldn't.) But with missing files and etc I was having troubles getting it all to work. I probably should have just downgraded completely down to 1.10 or something. Anyway, I had the odexed full 4.10 installed but forgot that it wasn't quite 100% stock because I had to grab the TWRP flashable version. The intent was to let it do the OTA upgrade to 5.28 and be 100% stock (plus I wanted to be sure that the OTA function worked so the next person to get the hardware could get the 5.0 update whenever it hits. If. I didn't want them to be stuck with a partially working phone any worse than the already existing hardware problems.) Before the OTA update finished I thought I should S-On since all was working. Ok, I screwed up and I don't deny it. But now what do I do? From what I understand, the only way around the "tampered" bootloop is to flash a stock RUU. But thanks to Verizon's bloody bootloader lockdowns, options are extremely limited there and I can't just flash an older RUU. Since it's HBOOT 1.57, that means that the old 2.10 and lower RUUs aren't going to cut it and I'm not finding anything newer for the Verizon models anywhere. It's ridiculous that this situation even exists IMO since the whole goal here is to go back to 100% stock and their system to force people to stay stock is the very thing stopping me from doing so. But worse, it's now basically a brick...
Is there any way at all to save this phone, or am I utterly hopelessly screwed?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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Looks like the thread number didn't make it in that URL either.
Nazo said:
Looks like the thread number didn't make it in that URL either.
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I was mobile, laying down.
Got up to get on the PC to repost the link for you.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...-3-s-users-t2919442/post56302410#post56302410
Oh, gotcha. I for some reason thought from all those guides and such that you had to specifically flash a RUU zip file manually. I'll grab that and give it a shot. It sounds like just what I need.
EDIT: Thank goodness. This did it. 100% stock. I was afraid I wouldn't even be able to return it. I just hope the next user feels better about the incomplete repair job the seller (or whoever they got it from) did on it than I did. (Though the lack of a LED is a pretty significant problem. They really should have fixed that.)
Nazo said:
Oh, gotcha. I for some reason thought from all those guides and such that you had to specifically flash a RUU zip file manually. I'll grab that and give it a shot. It sounds like just what I need.
EDIT: Thank goodness. This did it. 100% stock. I was afraid I wouldn't even be able to return it. I just hope the next user feels better about the incomplete repair job the seller (or whoever they got it from) did on it than I did. (Though the lack of a LED is a pretty significant problem. They really should have fixed that.)
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Did the led work at all...? Like when charging?
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Did the led work at all...? Like when charging?
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No LED under any circumstances at all. I can't even imagine how they managed to damage a phone in such a way that the LED would utterly stop working, yet it wouldn't require a new mainboard or something. I guess the only way to repair that would have been to replace said mainboard though. Well, no matter. This time around I decided it just wasn't worth trying to save the money buying a used phone and got one sold as new, sealed in box. If anything is wrong with this one I'll be amazed. (Well, barring the camera issue. *Fingers crossed*) One thing I can say though, the top speaker barely worked at all, so whatever they did probably did a decent amount of damage to the entire top section. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other troubles such as the front camera (I never use it) or maybe the sensors (though the light sensor seemed ok.)
BTW, the program did, in fact, work. I had it restored 100% to factory, tested it out, and found absolutely nothing wrong (at least nothing besides the problems the seller sent it with. I can't fix those...) I really hope the next person who gets stuck with it is happier than I was with those issues. I guess that's what one gets into buying used, but my previous experiences with such things were a lot better. (For instance, I fried my SGS3 via circumstances I don't want to get into right now. I bought one with a broken screen, swapped out the main board from it into mine, and presto, I had a once again working SGS3. Actually, it happens I ended up perhaps better off as it never seems to have had modem issues some others have had and the SoC seems to be stable at ridiculously low voltages if I were so inclined -- well, there's no real reason not to lower the voltage if it's 100% stable IMO, so I went ahead, but I didn't do an in-depth test to get the minimums.)
But seriously, I have a year-old review unit here and I don't use Sprint personally. So I can use it to play with Android distros, or as a very small tablet, or make it into a remote-control for my TV. What's the most amusement one can get from an off-the-air M8?
And is the Harmon-Kardon branding just advertising, or does it actually have better sound than other phones?
WyomingKnott said:
But seriously, I have a year-old review unit here and I don't use Sprint personally. So I can use it to play with Android distros, or as a very small tablet, or make it into a remote-control for my TV. What's the most amusement one can get from an off-the-air M8?
And is the Harmon-Kardon branding just advertising, or does it actually have better sound than other phones?
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Use it as a phone.
And yeah, it's just an advertisement. Only difference is some addition of their software which can be installed on other M8s too.
Why not just use it as the great phone that it is or is this just a wind up?
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Why not just use it as the great phone that it is or is this just a wind up?
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No wind-up, just that it's locked to Sprint, I have ATT, and so I'd have to SIM-unlock it before I could use it. It was a leftover review unit.
WyomingKnott said:
No wind-up, just that it's locked to Sprint, I have ATT, and so I'd have to SIM-unlock it before I could use it. It was a leftover review unit.
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if your sprint m8 is s-off,then you can sim unlock by following this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2718150
WyomingKnott said:
No wind-up, just that it's locked to Sprint, I have ATT, and so I'd have to SIM-unlock it before I could use it. It was a leftover review unit.
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Review unit? Can you please link me the review?
And what phone do you use currently? It might be wworth to get it unlocked.
You can use it as a music player too. It's one of the best Android music phone.
Surely it would be well worth unlocking the phone, where else are you going to get such a top spec device for the small price of an unlock?
I paid a ton of money for this phone 12 months ago and it is still one of the best on the market.
@crazykas
Not s-off yet. I haven't found a method other than sunshine which is $25 and, from what I read, has a spotty reputation. A question: If I got it s-off, instead of that sim unlock (that article is in my list for the m8) should I change the CIM and (DIM?) so it thinks it's an ATT Developer phone? Would that let it use ATT?
EDIT: Now that I re-read this, the $25 isn't that much, and the worst that can happen is that I'm left with a brick that I didn't pay for! But do you know of any self S-off method?
@edios123
From Tom's Hardware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/htc-one-m8-features-review,26384.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/htc-one-m8-samsung-galaxy-s5-comparison-review,26373.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/htc-one-m8-e8-android,3871.html
A year later they're just dust-gatherers.
I'm pretty happy with my current Galaxy S4, but it's great having a phone that I can load anything on to and not worry that if I brick it I'll be left without a phone or lose a couple of hundred dollars. For example, installing assorted versions of TWRP on this particular phone makes it hang permanently, power and display on, entering recovery. But it works with Clockwork Mod. Now I'm playing with CyanogenMod for the first time.
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@crazykas
@edios123
From Tom's Hardware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/htc-one-m8-features-review,26384.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/htc-one-m8-samsung-galaxy-s5-comparison-review,26373.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/htc-one-m8-e8-android,3871.html
A year later they're just dust-gatherers.
I'm pretty happy with my current Galaxy S4, but it's great having a phone that I can load anything on to and not worry that if I brick it I'll be left without a phone or lose a couple of hundred dollars. For example, installing assorted versions of TWRP on this particular phone makes it hang permanently, power and display on, entering recovery. But it works with Clockwork Mod. Now I'm playing with CyanogenMod for the first time.
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If you're using an S4, IMHO, you must upgrade to this phone. It's plenty fast (I bet miles better in performance than S4) for 2015. Only thing you'll miss is the pretty cool camera in your current phone.
Thanks for the links.
Smelly feet! SunShine doesn't work with CyanogenMod; it asks for a stock rom. Fortunately, lots of stocks to choose from. Back to stock, run Sunshine, S-OFF, back to Cyanogen. Here goes...
EDIT: Well, I gave up. I've flashed four different ROMs and had startup hang at four different places. CyanogenMod works fine. Since I can't get back to stock (some idiot forgot to do a backup before flashing Cyanogen, no excuse, I've been in this business for decades) and Sunshine won't run under Cyanogen, no S-off.
If anyone can point me to a back-to-stock or a ROM that I can load with Clockwork or RUU, it would make me happy. I've got the Harmon Kardon Sprint model, which may be a problem. I've tried roms from Bad Seed, the ND8_STOCK_DEODEXED_ROOTED rom, Renovate_5.0, and cm-11-20141112-SNAPSHOT-M12-m8 . I got so frustrated that I didn't keep page links for these, which I know I should put for reference. The only reason I want to go back to stock is that Sunshine seems to require it. I'm awfully glad that, as I've posted before, this is a don't-care device.
EDIT TWO: Anyone sick of my train-of-thought posting process can leave now. I left Renovate in its stuck mode for a while, and half an hour later it was on. Hurrah! Now to try Sunshine...
Update - it needed a recent RUU from HTC. Year-old firmware was slow with current ROMs and not compatible with TWRP at all. Recent RUU, good behavior. It's s-off, and I'll go for sim unlock tomorrow.
My deepest apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I need to ask this question some place. If this has been asked before, the search did not return anything that caught my eye, please feel free to point me in the correct direction! Considering that I have Verizon as a carrier and live in the US, I thought I would ask this audience to see what device has caught your eye!
My upgrade date is drawing near and I need to decide on a device that I want to give a shot next, and I would like to avoid being disappointed in my next device.
What is your next device going to be, and why?
I have been keeping my eye on the newest Nexus (now the Pixel) phones, but I really can't see myself giving up my sd card slot. I am also kind of partial to the removable battery.
I really like this phone, but the development has been poor due to Verizon's locked bootloader. I have a feeling this will be the case with ALL Verizon phones, but I have unlocked bootloaders in the past (Even my Note 3 finally got a bootloader unlock!).
My real pull to the Nexus/Pixel was the fact that it's a Google phone, it gets the latest Operating System updates, and AFAIK they were able to unlock the bootloader in the past (please correct me if I am wrong, as I have not really ever owned a Nexus device).
I really enjoy the ability to install a custom Rom and modify the OS (I LOATHE the stock DPI on most devices!!!) and I can't exactly get tethering on my package (but there is usually an app for that ). I would like to find something powerful enough to keep me happy for the next few months, because lets face it, we all start to long for a new device.
Thank you for your time and consideration!
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My deepest apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I need to ask this question some place. If this has been asked before, the search did not return anything that caught my eye, please feel free to point me in the correct direction! Considering that I have Verizon as a carrier and live in the US, I thought I would ask this audience to see what device has caught your eye!
My upgrade date is drawing near and I need to decide on a device that I want to give a shot next, and I would like to avoid being disappointed in my next device.
What is your next device going to be, and why?
I have been keeping my eye on the newest Nexus (now the Pixel) phones, but I really can't see myself giving up my sd card slot. I am also kind of partial to the removable battery.
I really like this phone, but the development has been poor due to Verizon's locked bootloader. I have a feeling this will be the case with ALL Verizon phones, but I have unlocked bootloaders in the past (Even my Note 3 finally got a bootloader unlock!).
My real pull to the Nexus/Pixel was the fact that it's a Google phone, it gets the latest Operating System updates, and AFAIK they were able to unlock the bootloader in the past (please correct me if I am wrong, as I have not really ever owned a Nexus device).
I really enjoy the ability to install a custom Rom and modify the OS (I LOATHE the stock DPI on most devices!!!) and I can't exactly get tethering on my package (but there is usually an app for that ). I would like to find something powerful enough to keep me happy for the next few months, because lets face it, we all start to long for a new device.
Thank you for your time and consideration!
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I had the G4 for over a year and just upgraded to the HTC 10
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I had the G4 for over a year and just upgraded to the HTC 10
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How are you liking it? And how is the development?
Are you a heavy phone user? What is the battery life like?
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How are you liking it? And how is the development?
Are you a heavy phone user? What is the battery life like?
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The phone itself is awesome but I'm having some battery issues and trying to pinpoint what is causing the poor battery life. Development is fantastic since S-OFF and root were achieved via the Sunshine APK. There are tons of ROMs and kernels to flash. I miss having a removable battery but the HTC 10 does have a micro-SD slot.
I'm not in the market for a new phone to replace my G4 yet, but after getting a bootloop replacement with the first gen manufacturing date, I probably will be looking sooner rather than later. I get to stay on the unlimited data family share plan through a corporate discount, so I'm kind of curious if VZW still subsidizes new phones on those lines. If so, I'd miss out on the savings if I were to get a Pixel, which I presume will only be offered at full price. I've been out of the loop since MM came out and made it harder to mod Android, so it's good to see that at least there are some non-developer version phones out there still.
Hello everyone, so I bought a "Brand new sealed in box" HTC 10 from a seller om ebay.
It happens to have the code m10h ( its appeared to be an unlocked Tmobile device as I have checked the IMEI with HTC). Htc said the device is legit.
The phone came with all accesories minus the warranty from HTC. The phone was in decent condition with no scratch or anything it looks completely brand new to me but when I checked the memory it seems to only have 3GB of RAM (2.7 to be exact). HTC told me that my device is indeed an HTC 10 not the Lifestyle version (with only 3GB of RAM and snapdragon 654). Mine came with the 820.
I wonder if you anyone can help me with this maybe a screenshot of your memory capacity would help greatly.
Thank you very much !
Here are the screenshots
imgur(dot)com/gallery/RQ7pT
imgur(dot)com/gallery/4IM8F
They gave you a QC reference phone. It's a prototype for development. You need to report that user to ebay and get your money back.
HTC 10 is 3.7GB ram
Download DevCheck system info and look at the specs that your device has. It should have around 3700 mb of ram.
tabp0le said:
They gave you a QC reference phone. It's a prototype for development. You need to report that user to ebay and get your money back.
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+1 @kpha2 this person has obtained this either from a phone shop, prototype from R&D or from a HTC ambassador scheme. Either way it shouldn't be on eBay. hTC should have spotted that first if you've called them.
Performance wise it should still be ok but definitely dodgy.
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I contacted HTC several times. Non of the agent was able to define what was wrong this 3Gb thingy. They all said that they were not familiar to this weird spec.
Honestly, the performance is actually smooth besides the 3GB but the phone wasn't able to read any microSD card
Also, it gave me around 130k on antutu.
But I will definitely as for my refund. Seller hasn't replied to me for 3 days so hopefully ebay can jump in and work its magic
I also bought such a phone from eBay, though from a seller that has 72,000+ transactions and a 98%+ feedback rating. But the model number on the invoice was 10h. It shipped with a Taiwan ROM. However, after unlocking the bootloader, changing CID and MID and flashing a North American RUU, my memory page shows 3.7 gig. Perhaps if you have a TW ROM, the allocation is different? Can't say that's the case, just guessing at it. But if you're not satisfied, I'd deal with it right away by contacting the seller and resolving it, rather that wait it out. I guess it all depends on how much you paid... if you bought a $700 for $300, then you might want to allow for a little 'wiggle room'.
Well this is NOT the thread I wanted to see 3 days after getting my HTC 10 off eBay lol.
What were the seller's names? I bought mine from never-msrp. I initially had a problem with charging (wouldn't go past 69%) but that seems to have gone away now and everything is running smooth as butter. Only issue is that I received a Euro charger, even though they did throw in an adapter as well it's kind of annoying having to carry around 2 pieces of equipment with me.
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Well this is NOT the thread I wanted to see 3 days after getting my HTC 10 off eBay lol.
What were the seller's names? I bought mine from never-msrp. I initially had a problem with charging (wouldn't go past 69%) but that seems to have gone away now and everything is running smooth as butter. Only issue is that I received a Euro charger, even though they did throw in an adapter as well it's kind of annoying having to carry around 2 pieces of equipment with me.
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That's who I got mine from. If you look at the storage page in settings, you'll see 3.7G RAM, which apparently is exactly what the machine is supposed to have.
Should you decide you don't like the Taiwan ROM, just unlock the bootloader (free via HTC Dev or for $25 with Sunshine which also gets you S-off) change the CID and MID, then flash a North American RUU. I stuck with MM because I need to run Xposed, but there are other great ROMs out there. I wound up with Maximus HD.
If you need any help, just PM me.
BTW, no need to use the adapter and charger supplied, any USB-C cable will do the trick.
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That's who I got mine from. If you look at the storage page in settings, you'll see 3.7G RAM, which apparently is exactly what the machine is supposed to have.
Should you decide you don't like the Taiwan ROM, just unlock the bootloader (free via HTC Dev or for $25 with Sunshine which also gets you S-off) change the CID and MID, then flash a North American RUU. I stuck with MM because I need to run Xposed, but there are other great ROMs out there. I wound up with Maximus HD.
If you need any help, just PM me.
BTW, no need to use the adapter and charger supplied, any USB-C cable will do the trick.
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Thanks!
I didn't even know that the ROM was Taiwanese. I suspected that it was from somewhere outside of North America though, but so far I haven't noticed anything different (not like I would know what to look for). I think I'm going to refrain from rooting/ROMing this phone for a while. Every phone I have owned I rooted within days of owning it, but after my last phone I completely lost interest in all of that. I guess I just couldn't be bothered to go through all that again (learning how to root that device, flashing a ROM, then trying to unbrick my device/fixing a bootloop issue, then trying to figure out why xyz doesn't work the way it should, etc etc etc.). I'm still running stock MM out of the box! So I will try to hold off on rooting this one for the time being.
And this is actually my first USB C capable phone. I tried plugging the cable into a 2A Samsung charger from my Galaxy Note 8 tablet, and the phone got very very hot very fast. I think I'm going to have invest in some Anker gear. I have a bunch of their Micro-USB cables and they're really high quality. Any experience using their chargers?
Ps. what's "S-Off"?
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Thanks!
I didn't even know that the ROM was Taiwanese. I suspected that it was from somewhere outside of North America though, but so far I haven't noticed anything different (not like I would know what to look for). I think I'm going to refrain from rooting/ROMing this phone for a while. Every phone I have owned I rooted within days of owning it, but after my last phone I completely lost interest in all of that. I guess I just couldn't be bothered to go through all that again (learning how to root that device, flashing a ROM, then trying to unbrick my device/fixing a bootloop issue, then trying to figure out why xyz doesn't work the way it should, etc etc etc.). I'm still running stock MM out of the box! So I will try to hold off on rooting this one for the time being.
And this is actually my first USB C capable phone. I tried plugging the cable into a 2A Samsung charger from my Galaxy Note 8 tablet, and the phone got very very hot very fast. I think I'm going to have invest in some Anker gear. I have a bunch of their Micro-USB cables and they're really high quality. Any experience using their chargers?
Ps. what's "S-Off"?
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If you check, some of the apps won't work (like the HTC Club, or something like that) because you're in a different region of the world. However, what concerned me more was what else might be 'under the hood' that I wasn't aware of, and didn't want to suffer any incompatabilities. For example, I'm told that the TW ROM does not display all the apps in the Google Play Store that a North American will.
Like you, I also waited about two weeks, but decided to take the leap. I flashed a stock HTC North American ROM, and it worked great. That got me to the latest firmware versions with all the fixes on MM necessary for the camera, and so on. Eventually, I went with MaximusHD because that is the closest to stock but with some very nice optimzations for speed, thermals and thus most importantly, battery life.
Fortunately you bought an HTC phone, which is very developer friendly and HTC enables you to unlock the bootloader for free. It's very easy and there are even a couple kits here that will help you do it automatically. By changing the CID and MID, you'll be able to flash a stock HTC North American (or any other ) RUU. Rooting gives you access to be able to use certain utilities like Titanium Backup and Xposed/Xprivacy, which has been a lifesaver for me.
As to 'S-Off', that is a security 'switch' in the radio that enables you to flash firmware independently of the rest of the ROM. When you unlock and root, the ability to receive an OTA (Over-The-Air) update is disabled, so future improvements can't be downloaded. Having S-Off enables you to flash firmware updates downloadable from XDA here, directly to your phone to keep up with the latest fixes.
Feel free to PM me to discuss sidebar. Don't want to go too far OT on this thread.
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When you unlock and root, the ability to receive an OTA (Over-The-Air) update is disabled, so future improvements can't be downloaded. Having S-Off enables you to flash firmware updates downloadable from XDA here, directly to your phone to keep up with the latest fixes.
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Just a correction but unlocking the bootloader does not prevent you from taking OTA updates. Neither does having s-off for that matter. What does prevent you from taking OTA is having a custom recovery and a modified system partition. Using the classic method to root by flashing supersu is one way of modifying your system and blocking OTAs. But rooting with Magisk on the other hand does not modify your system, and you could still take OTA.
Tldr: You don't need S-off to be able to update your phone through OTA, just root with Magisk and flash the stock recovery before taking an OTA.
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What does prevent you from taking OTA is having a custom recovery and a modified system partition. Using the classic method to root by flashing supersu is one way of modifying your system and blocking OTAs. But rooting with Magisk on the other hand does not modify your system, and you could still take OTA.
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Point taken, though most are going to flash TWRP. In this user's case, he's looking to go with a MM North American ROM which no longer receives any OTAs so far as I'm aware. We bought the same phone from the same vendor, and since I just went down this path not even a month ago, I figured I'd save him from the mistake I made of forgetting to change the MID to be able to flash the HTC RUU.
Thanks for that clarification.
I've done a ton of research on how to unlock bootloader on my verizon M9 (f*** you verizon), and it seems only feasible option is sunshine and 25 bucks. That being said, I updated to nougat before wanting this, and I'm reading that sunshine may not be able to s-off the phone with this latest verizon update. I tried to downgrade to marshmallow v. 3.37.605.7 using RUU 0PJAIMG_HIMA_WL_M6[email protected]60105_CNV_1.26_002_release_469809_signed_1.zip and it fails using the SD card fat 32 method. Am I doing it wrong?
1) Can sunshine s-off with latest nougat update?
2) If not, is there any way to downgrade to a version that sunshine can s-off?
3) Am I screwed? No custom roms for me?
If you can't downgrade, Sunshine can't get temproot and thus can't s-off.
The device is old (the community has moved on long ago) so it isn't a priority for the sunshine team; when j asked, the reply was something to the effect of it not being on the radar. Hard to blame them; dev time is limited, and they can help more people focusing on other phones.
You can supposedly send it to someone with an HTC Java card or XTC2 Clip, but I can't verify that. I can verify that Kingo and similar do nothing for you. So no, no custom ROMs, no root, and you're stuck with Verizon and Google's bloatware. but
Also, be warned batteries on the M9s are dying (like, nearly all of them; if you don't have a newer battery, yours will soon), and some of them fail spectacularly if you try to charge them during/after actual death
(If you do like I did and change phones and carriers, confirm before you buy; I thought "huh, T-Mobile is good about rooting, and I've heard great things about how easy unlocking Samsungs are." It turns out one of those two has turned on us, probably Samsung, though I'm still not clear on why.)
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Also, be warned batteries on the M9s are dying (like, nearly all of them; if you don't have a newer battery, yours will soon), and some of them fail spectacularly if you try to charge them during/after actual death
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When you say "some of them fail spectacularly" do you mean the battery or the phone?
I'm having battery issues but am afraid to try to change it out myself. The video looks complicated.
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I'm having battery issues but am afraid to try to change it out myself. The video looks complicated.
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Honestly, it's not as bad as it looks. I've replaced two screens and that repair job requires some extra steps. As long as you have a backup phone I'd say give it a shot.
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Honestly, it's not as bad as it looks. I've replaced two screens and that repair job requires some extra steps. As long as you have a backup phone I'd say give it a shot.
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I found a place that will do it for only about $25 more than it would cost me to get the battery and tools to do it myself, so I'll let them do it.