Been a long time greenify user and I just flashed crDroid recently though I turned the battery manager off as it might interfere with greenify. Has anyone tried using the both together? Standby drain seems to have increased in pie and I was thinking if the battery manager would help (and not cause noticeable inconveniences such as delays in notifications).
I'm also on cr droid and that is kind of an double edged sword. I would certainly suggest not use both. And battery manager is also a reported bug in pie. But ram management is the whole point of pie and supposedly the biggest improvement. Some builds of cr droid I got 1 hour screen time and others I get 9-10. I think pie changed so much it's still an infant and I can also say that I'm a long term greenfly user and stopped using it on pie. It wasn't helping because the point of phones with 8 gigs of ram and background ram management is to leave processes open and let android idle them. So constantly killing background processes and reinstatement when the screen turns back off is way more taxing on the CPU. And I have honestly found the best results by using neither. Greenify used to be a must have but I believe its no longer needed
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Hi,
If you want to know how long your battery life will last when:
- Idle on 2G/EDGE
- Idle on 3G
- Idle on WiFi
- Browsing on EDGE/3G/WiFi
- etc.
What cost battery life the most?
You will learn that "waking up app for doing nothing" will cost you heavily on battery life.
Things like checking email while you have no new email, checking weather while you got the same result, or getting data online while you are not connected to the network.
And so on ...
Sit tight and watch this:
http://code.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/CodingLifeBatteryLife.html
This special session from Google IO in the past CupCake era explained in detail, with measurements about almost every aspects of the phone that drain the battery.
Interesting enough that IDLE on 2G vs IDLE on 3G will cost you almost the same. And browsing in 3G is more efficient. So, in this respect, I think it is not necessary to set to 2G as most people said for auto-syncing.
At home, use WiFi, because it is more efficient for web browsing.
Choosing and planning your sync and widget will make big different on battery life!
Watch it your-self and share your thought.
i've just removed advanced task killer app, and seriously battery lif is like amazing normally by now i would be at around 50% i'm at 70% and have been using it more like 2 phone calls i normally don't make any and a tiny bit of browsing but that certainly improved it
slaming said:
i've just removed advanced task killer app, and seriously battery lif is like amazing normally by now i would be at around 50% i'm at 70% and have been using it more like 2 phone calls i normally don't make any and a tiny bit of browsing but that certainly improved it
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So your saying advanced task killer is draining battery? Even when its not running ni the background. It can kill itself along with killing apps, so it shoul dnot constitute ANY drain on the battery when not running in the background.
Here what I experienced:
First of all, my phone settings:
- WiFi OFF (on when needed)
- Mobile network OFF (on when needed)
- Always on OFF
- Background data ON
- Auto sync OFF
- GPS OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
- 10% brightness (yes, my eyes is happy with that, seriously!)
- Using HTC "black" wallpaper
One day, I played around with killing tasks, not brutally killing, but just some of them like RADIO, MARKET, etc. Selectively killing.
Then I watched my battery usage, it drain quite a bit like 3% after 1 or 2 hours. I meant, it was really different compared to the other day when I did not touch task killer.
Today, I unplugged at 8:00 AM ... 100%
Now, 15:00 ... still 98% (after 7 hours!).
During that time, I played around a bit with Market via WiFi and SMS, no phone call.
Seriously, I got different result when using and not using task killer.
Try it yourself
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So your saying advanced task killer is draining battery? Even when its not running ni the background. It can kill itself along with killing apps, so it shoul dnot constitute ANY drain on the battery when not running in the background.
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So your saying advanced task killer is draining battery? Even when its not running ni the background. It can kill itself along with killing apps, so it shoul dnot constitute ANY drain on the battery when not running in the background.
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yep plus i'd normally i don't have bluetooth and i forgot to turn it off today afer using my blutooth headphones, and still at 70% yeasterday it would have been dead by now and i didn't even use task killer to kill apps. maybe advanced task killer stops apps being killed by the android system.
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So your saying advanced task killer is draining battery? Even when its not running ni the background. It can kill itself along with killing apps, so it shoul dnot constitute ANY drain on the battery when not running in the background.
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I find this one a strange (what seems to be) fallacy when coming to Android 2.x. When I got my Desire, the first thing I got was a task killer. Then, a widget to let me know hom much RAM I have left. When it got low, I used the TK to do it's job and free up some RAM.
But the permeating fallacy seems to be that a TK is needed. But it seems people are finding out, time and time again that it's not. And as people here are finding, it's detrimental. And after not using my TK for a while, I found out that though the RAM can get low, Android will do it's thing in the background and I never notice low RAM in my daily operation.
Some people on another forum put me onto some info sources that explained why TKs can make your battery life shorter. In short, they can kill tasks which have scripts that will respawn, thus causing higher CPU usage and draining battery a little bit quicker.
There were other reasons but I can't remember them right now. People should really let people know and educate them (including some popular websites like AndroidCentral.com that I like) that it's not necesary and actually a waste. (Though I use mine for doing things like file management, installing and uninstalling, but not task killing.)
I watched most of that video that was kindly posted. And if I get this correctly (please correct me if I haven't), when I'm in wifi range, I'd be better off leaving that on to do data transfer as there is a negligable passive battery consumption over 3G and 2G, but a saving when transfering data which grows as the data transfer grows.
But then wifi should be turned off when leaving the wifi area, as like 3G, it drains the battery to have it searching.
Since I'll be in a wifi zone for most of tomorrow, I'm curious if I can get through a full day with wifi left on...
what makes me wonder is if i go to the market, search for something then i go to browser for couple minutes and then go back to the home screen, will the market and browser use the 3g/h/g in the background?
sorry if the answer for this is in the video but do not have time to watch it right now.
It's been said many times that Task killers are not necessary on Android phones and that their use will almost always result in worse battery life and reduced performance.
I used to have two HTC Heros and proved pretty conclusively that the above was true by running a task killer on one but having the same apps. on both. I even reversed things in case the battery was better on one of the devices.
You will never convince some people though. It they want worse battery life and performance surely that is their choice.
I know I will never again put a task killer on an Android device.
I've had this battery for several months now and I'm just now starting to wonder why my battery life is so abysmal as compared to others with it. It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
Somehow, I think I should be getting better battery life. It has been similar to this regardless of what ROM I use.
Do you all think it's the battery or just the phone?
Obviously, I'm unable to return it. I would just like to know what others think.
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I've had this battery for several months now and I'm just now starting to wonder why my battery life is so abysmal as compared to others with it. It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
Somehow, I think I should be getting better battery life. It has been similar to this regardless of what ROM I use.
Do you all think it's the battery or just the phone?
Obviously, I'm unable to return it. I would just like to know what others think.
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POSSIBLE ISSUES:
(Answering these yourself should help pin point the problem just by re-reading your own answers)
- How "old" is the battery?
- What are your min/max CPU frequencies?
- What services are running in the background?
- Did you have this problem on the stock battery?
- What app do you mainly use?
- Does that app drain battery?
Kanojo said:
It'll probably last around 18-20 hours a day with about a half hour of music playing through Winamp, JuiceDefender, Lookout, and Tasker running constantly, an 100-800 core clock, and low brightness.
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With optimal settings and unnecessary ram hogging apps removed, you should be able to get more hours than that on the original battery half the size.
JuiceDefender should be unnecessary and I found it to inhibit me more than it proved useful.
Lookout is neat, and I do like it, but as I don't see a huge need for it I don't have it installed.
My personal favorite task killer is Advanced Task Killer which I use to cleanup my phone before locking it, you know, close the various apps I just opened . However, I have disallowed it from auto-killing, as this has proved detrimental and in vain when services killed generally immediately restart themselves and consume less battery than the auto killing program attempting to kill them.
A good check on certain apps is to go to Manage Applications under Settings and check your running apps. About 1-2 minutes after a good task kill, check to see which apps have restarted. If any you recognize are running that you didn't start, you may consider removing them. Especially anything that tries to access location services.
Edit: Almost forgot, I don't use any widgets except for Task Killer and Power Control. All others drained more battery than I cared for, and this I tested extensively.
Dears,
I bought a G3 phone just a month ago and, apparently, the battery was lasting almost a whole day in the first two weeks, but, after that, the battery became to last less than half day. Of course I've installed some applications since then, but it's very strange because the Android doesn't report any abnormal processing load of any application, so I'm presuming the OS is causing the high battery consumption. After I bought the phone, I upgraded the OS to Lollipop almost forthwith. I'd like to know if it's a known issue of G3 with L version and there is something I can do to increase the battery life.
I've installed some applications that utilize the location services, but Android doesn't claim those applications are draining the battery. According to what Android reports, the screen and the OS are main things that are consuming more battery ( 24% for screen and 16% for OS )
Thanks in advance
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Dears,
I bought a G3 phone just a month ago and, apparently, the battery was lasting almost a whole day in the first two weeks, but, after that, the battery became to last less than half day. Of course I've installed some applications since then, but it's very strange because the Android doesn't report any abnormal processing load of any application, so I'm presuming the OS is causing the high battery consumption. After I bought the phone, I upgraded the OS to Lollipop almost forthwith. I'd like to know if it's a known issue of G3 with L version and there is something I can do to increase the battery life.
I've installed some applications that utilize the location services, but Android doesn't claim those applications are draining the battery. According to what Android reports, the screen and the OS are main things that are consuming more battery ( 24% for screen and 16% for OS )
Thanks in advance
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You should root your LG G3, then install xposed, greenify amplify and powernap. Those apps will control your wakelocks and alarms. This will also improve your battery life.
May I also suggest to reduce screen DPI. Reduced mine from 640 to 534, added about 45-60 mins of SOT
Are you talking screen on time? Or idle battery drain. Because these are two very different things. Quite often it is the way you are using your phone and the applications installed that will cause your battery life to become worse.
Of course you have the obvious things such as disabling data when you aren't using it and wifi and so on. Through my experience I have found amplify to be of little use if you are generally cautious about the apps you install. Facebooks apps are terrible. Any instant messager will be causing some sort of drain. The problem definitely arrises from these things and while you can install many other apps to limit these things. I often find it is best to address the problem at the source. Perform a factory reset. Then begin installing your apps one by one and seeing when the hit comes. Thats my advice. Then find an alternative to the problematic app. That or BBS to find what is causing wakelocks. Remember, if you are gaming the processor is going to eat battery.
To follow up on orcam he is in the perfect rite direction as for reducing the dpi its a placebo effect you can read up on it on many threads and sot is in most case 7 to 12 min longer reduce britghness get rid of carrier iq is a big battery hog debloat the system apps like facebook and all the other bloat that lg uses is bad on battery life
The best way to get better battery:
1. Root
2. Debloat - delete useless app's and files from root directory!
3. 3845*#855# (855 its international model, put your model: 851, 852, etc) and search for Thermal Daemon Mitigation OFF, then click and enable it, and search Fast Dormancy and turn off, and in High Temperature Property OFF enable it too and turn off your phone for atleast 40 seconds, turn on and wait 1 minute with screen on to update those things.
4. Xposed with Greenify
5. TricksterMOD and set the CPU freq. to min. 300Mhz and max to 1.540MHz (if you use the phone normally, and dont play games).
6. in TricksterMOD set the GPU to 330Mhz for powersave.
7. Developer Options active the "Force GPU to 2D graphics"
8. Use brightness according with your needs, not only keep it in 100% (i know in 100% looks beautyful but screen is a battery beast).
This is what i have in mine and i can guarantee if you use moderate it can go up to 3 day's, mine got 5 hours and 20 minuts in On Screen Time so...
I bought a used Note 4 Sprint and since I flashed marshmallow using odin on it it gets laggy or reboots from time to time.
Is it something with my Baseband? Like should I install a different Frimware or it's a marshmallow issue?
The battery is okay and the screen is all good as well.
And finally do you recommend me any stable ROM or stock ROM ? Thank you I'm advance
You could likely do better with later Marshmallow releases and possibly custom ROMs if that's your thing. I'm on the PJ1 update running UN7 (Note7) port.
Between, Samsung, Google and Sprint, there's enough bloat on a stock Sprint Note 4 to sink a ship. And Samsung can't optimize the RAM caches well enough to suit individual preferences because it favors its native apps that are baked in as well as other system apps from Google.
This optimization may not favor the apps you prefer to run at will so you need to understand how to deal with it. There's Samsung's version of Doze and there's Android's version of Doze on your Marshmallow Touchwiz firmware. Samsung's version will routinely shut your apps down and doesn't do a good job of real time RAM management while sleeping. It's based on a 3 day run theory but it doesn't my user apps use at all; it shuts apps down that haven't been used in three days. This favors apps that it runs in the backgrounds continually.
So turn that of and focus on Android Doze is my advice. You can find both methods in battery management. Smart Manager may a shortcut to battery management but you can use Settings to find it too. You may see App power monitor on first battery screen; I advise turning that one off. Android doze can be found by tapping Battery usage then tapping 3 dot menu button in top right to goto Optimize battery usage. Once there, the dropdown menu will allow you optimize doze by showing all apps. I disable ones I don't want running continually but enable those that may be impacted by doze with screen off only. If you ever wonder why your music or downloads stop with screen off, here's a place to start. Push notifications should happen anyway with doze active so those may not need enabling to run continually.
You may consider freezing apps that show as running when you don't prefer them to even you're checking running apps. You can use Smart Manager often to optimize RAM or get an app that allows you white list some apps and dump cache for non white listed apps on a scheduled basis.
Personally I find Marshmallow Touchwiz poor for RAM management. The UN5 Lollipop ports managed RAM better without having doze. Somehow I think even the Note 5 may not have good RAM management on Marshmallow. Maybe Nougat is a different story? But I do know that Marshmallow proved to be a bigger challenge than Lollipop did, especially the ports. Why would I run Marshmallow? I guess its inherently faster than Lollipop. But only when optimized, IMO.
I also use Boost+ by HTC found in Google Play Store to free up RAM. Samsung thinks many apps I use regularly aren't being used. HTC Boost+ can discern app use better and logs freed RAM so you know it's working.
As a user, you can discern if these suggestions help or not. Just lag, preferred running apps and battery management advice. They may not be every user and YMMV.
Edit: pay close attention to battery capacity at reboots; bad batteries do have a tendency to shutdown, possibly reboot as well. Last time I had a bad battery, it was on a lollipop ROM; phone shutdown at 30% and plugging in charger showed 0%. Marshmallow may be different; battery is suspect for reboots in Marshmallow. I haven't experienced reboot issues with Marshmallow or have a bad battery to add to this suspicion though.
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You couldn't have got a better answer very concise and thought out. I can only add that a bad battery will have the same results as far as shutdowns in marshmallow. Never had a reboot issue. However many have with the earlier builds.
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I'm curious what apps people are still using on Android 10 to manage various system functions like monitoring and diagnosing battery usage, wakelocks, manage power consumption, etc?
It seems like many of the old standards have not been updated in a while, and why they might work on Android 10, I'm not sure how useful they all are.
Either their functions have been baked into the system or Android 10 may make some of them irrelevant.
I'm mostly interested in Root apps which can have greater insight/control into the system. I feel that most of the non-root apps these days don't offer much beyond what the native UIs already offer.
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I'm curious what apps people are still using on Android 10 to manage various system functions like monitoring and diagnosing battery usage, wakelocks, manage power consumption, etc? It seems like many of the old standards have not been updated in a while, and why they might work on Android 10, I'm not sure how useful they all are. Either their functions have been baked into the system or Android 10 may make some of them irrelevant. I'm mostly interested in Root apps which can have greater insight/control into the system. I feel that most of the non-root apps these days don't offer much beyond what the native UIs already offer.
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I may be an exception but on my P3 XL I literally never had to charge during the day. I leave it on the Pixel Stand all night, leaving at 5:00 am M-F and no matter how late I get back I still have juice to spare. I may have seen battery monitor *maybe* 1 or 2 times max. I run stock, rooted with EX kernel and I just don't worry about it any more. I key on two things- active drain and Idle drain and these tell me everything is running as expected. They typically are around 10-12% active, and 2-3% idle. EXKM's battery monitor is right on my notification shade.
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I may be an exception but on my P3 XL I literally never had to charge during the day. I leave it on the Pixel Stand all night, leaving at 5:00 am M-F and no matter how late I get back I still have juice to spare. I may have seen battery monitor *maybe* 1 or 2 times max. I run stock, rooted with EX kernel and I just don't worry about it any more. I key on two things- active drain and Idle drain and these tell me everything is running as expected. They typically are around 10-12% active, and 2-3% idle. EXKM's battery monitor is right on my notification shade.
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Do you leave the kernel settings stock or tweak it?
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Do you leave the kernel settings stock or tweak it?
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Stock. Just customizations like the swipe gestures, vibration, hbm and so forth. If interested those conversations are going on in the dedicated ex kernel thread. Cheers.