Hi,
I own a G3 with 2 GB of RAM, like my previous Nexus 4.
In the N4, with CM-11 or AOSP, and with the same apps that I use in the G3, the free amount of memory was more than 1 GB all the time,
but in the G3 I have 300-400 MB since a few minutes of restart it, and only 500-600 just after the restart.
Any solution to this? Really is relevant?
Thanks!
bartito said:
Hi,
I own a G3 with 2 GB of RAM, like my previous Nexus 4.
In the N4, with CM-11 or AOSP, and with the same apps that I use in the G3, the free amount of memory was more than 1 GB all the time,
but in the G3 I have 300-400 MB since a few minutes of restart it, and only 500-600 just after the restart.
Any solution to this? Really is relevant?
Thanks!
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Having also the almost same amount of free ram and for me, it pretty much sticks there, no matter how many apps are opened, sometimes there is a launcher redraw, but except of that i haven't faced any problems at multitasking.
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Tectas said:
Having also the almost same amount of free ram and for me, it pretty much sticks there, no matter how many apps are opened, sometimes there is a launcher redraw, but except of that i haven't faced any problems at multitasking.
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yes, which most noticeable is in the redraw of the launcher, especially when closes the gallery app
bartito said:
yes, which most noticeable is in the redraw of the launcher, especially when closes the gallery app
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This can easily be fixed though, with a third party launcher with persist in memory enabled.
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Tectas said:
This can easily be fixed though, with a third party launcher with persist in memory enabled.
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Yes, but this really don't solves the issue. Only masks
bartito said:
Yes, but this really don't solves the issue. Only masks
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Well, i must confess it's not a real issue to me, I'm using pretty many widgets and the only one i really notice it is the clock/weather widget, everything else is almost instantly back up.
But that's just me. For sure it will be way better when the first aosp roms come up, because of their way lower memory footprint.
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Wait for CM11 come to our G3
Then compare the RAM usage
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Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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But on this device it is not being managed properly. At least the launcher should be kept in memory without the user having to root and do it him/herself.
These problems were fairly common when high end devices had 1gb ram but with a relatively light launcher and 2gb ram there is no excuse IMO.
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bobsie41 said:
But on this device it is not being managed properly. At least the launcher should be kept in memory without the user having to root and do it him/herself.
These problems were fairly common when high end devices had 1gb ram but with a relatively light launcher and 2gb ram there is no excuse IMO.
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I have had no issues with the launcher redrawing, I did have some minor lag when I was purely stock, but removing a few LG apps that I would never use has solved this.
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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How many times did you tell this chant allready^^
And sure you're true, but the well known (from the galaxy s3 at least, which is my former device) launcher redraw is based on the available amount of ram, the thing isn't really the "free ram" here, it's more the amount of ram that can be freed up on demand to load something new into it and the launcher redraw points into the direction, that there sometimes is a shortage, because the data of the launcher has to be released, because there wouldn't be enough ram for the new application. This isn't the big issue, the launcher has no priority at this point and it takes a big amount of ram, so it's understandable that the system releases it's memory if there is more demand than currently "free". So the current "problem" is less related to "free" ram, but the lack of ram persistance of the launcher, combined with the amount of usable ram for the user, which can lead to freeing the memory of the launcher more often. This would happen to every launcher without persistance at every amount of available ram tough some times, but the higher the available ram, the less often it will happen.
That's not an issue for me, like already said, but the point behind it is understandable to me.
I've noticed in the kernel settings that 600mb of Ram is being used as ZRAM. Could this be an issue?
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Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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I'd still prefer to have 'free or wasted' RAM, at least you know you have some RAM spare plus apps do get killed faster and some don't retain all the information in the RAM (Asphalt 8 and other big games) and restart the app (when playing games and then browsing), but 3gb is doing fine for me
Tectas said:
How many times did you tell this chant allready^^
And sure you're true, but the well known (from the galaxy s3 at least, which is my former device) launcher redraw is based on the available amount of ram, the thing isn't really the "free ram" here, it's more the amount of ram that can be freed up on demand to load something new into it and the launcher redraw points into the direction, that there sometimes is a shortage, because the data of the launcher has to be released, because there wouldn't be enough ram for the new application. This isn't the big issue, the launcher has no priority at this point and it takes a big amount of ram, so it's understandable that the system releases it's memory if there is more demand than currently "free". So the current "problem" is less related to "free" ram, but the lack of ram persistance of the launcher, combined with the amount of usable ram for the user, which can lead to freeing the memory of the launcher more often. This would happen to every launcher without persistance at every amount of available ram tough some times, but the higher the available ram, the less often it will happen.
That's not an issue for me, like already said, but the point behind it is understandable to me.
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Launcher redraws are down to poorly coded apps, not the ram available on the device. Keeping more free ram is effectively just a dirty workaround to solving the issue that you are using a poorly coded app. Yes in this case its a stock app and there is little excuse for it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the app at fault, not the devices ram. You shouldn't just keep throwing more ram at a device to counter the fact that people are not optimising their apps properly.
If the launcher had persistance then the device would probably be killing something else in its place, and I don't know about you but I like all my apps to work, I don't want any of them killed, therefore I would rather have a better coded app that meant that nothing needed to be killed. 2GB of ram is plenty for a device like this to cope just fine.
FYI - I removed LG's "voice" app and I have had plenty of free ram ever since.
Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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Launcher redraws are down to poorly coded apps, not the ram available on the device. Keeping more free ram is effectively just a dirty workaround to solving the issue that you are using a poorly coded app. Yes in this case its a stock app and there is little excuse for it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the app at fault, not the devices ram. You shouldn't just keep throwing more ram at a device to counter the fact that people are not optimising their apps properly.
If the launcher had persistance then the device would probably be killing something else in its place, and I don't know about you but I like all my apps to work, I don't want any of them killed, therefore I would rather have a better coded app that meant that nothing needed to be killed. 2GB of ram is plenty for a device like this to cope just fine.
FYI - I removed LG's "voice" app and I have had plenty of free ram ever since.
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Protagoras said:
Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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I didn't really blame the ram nor the ram management, as i said, it's the launcher taking that much ram, that's why it probably get's killed earlier than others and yes, sure, that's an optimization issue. I also didn't say the system does anything wrong with it, i just tried to point out why it acts that way regarding the launcher and I also didn't say that it really is free ram I'm talking about, but available ram (with which i meant ram available for userspace apps, not ram amount not used).
Also I've never said more ram would be the fix, i said it would just happen less, because that's simply how it works and also like i said, it's not an issue for me, because i'm aware why it acts that way and even when it get's killed, it's almost instant back up, i just said, i can understand that someone could be annoyed about it.
Protagoras said:
Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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I had much the same Ram usage on my Nexus 5. I've been looking at an app that shows what is actually using the Ram and at any given time there's only around 1gb in actual use, the rest is cached files. All pretty normal. Incidentally, I've turned the Zram off using faux clock as you really don't need it in a 2gb device and you get a very slight performance boost and battery increase with it off.
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I just rooted mine and froze a load of apps I do not use and its defo speeded it up having around 600-750mb free
You could always go into developer options and turn on strict mode that will kill everything as soon as you leave it .... It has to free up ram huh ......
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Epix4G said:
You could always go into developer options and turn on strict mode that will kill everything as soon as you leave it .... It has to free up ram huh ......
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That would work You could also leave your phone switched off, to make sure it doesn't use any RAM at all
Does anyone that has they're Note 4 experiencing any home screen or app switching lag of any kind? I heard that is the only problem so far, the whole TW user interface is hogging just about 2GB of ram.
Chuckleb0ne said:
Does anyone that has they're Note 4 experiencing any home screen or app switching lag of any kind? I heard that is the only problem so far, the whole TW user interface is hogging just about 2GB of ram.
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I heard the opposite...NO LAGS!! I also played with it in Bestbuy store for about 1 hrs 1/2 and found no lags
Everything is smooth as silk, unless you leave 20 bazillion apps running in the background. I also opened the developer options and reduced the animation time delay for faster response as well.
only has like 300MB of free ram when idling.
If freeing up ram is something that you want, then purchase Greenify from the Playstore. This app is also effective when the phone us not rooted.
I bought a new galaxy tab pro 8.4 (T320) 5 days ago... I installed only ''facebook'', ''fb messengers'', ''viber'', ''subway surfer'', ''clean master''.
it has 2GB RAM... but it normally shows 1.4GB RAM using and about 400MB RAM free.... does it normal for this new tablet... plz bcoz i am new android system ....
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obayeed said:
I bought a new galaxy tab pro 8.4 (T320) 5 days ago... I installed only ''facebook'', ''fb messengers'', ''viber'', ''subway surfer'', ''clean master''.
it has 2GB RAM... but it normally shows 1.4GB RAM using and about 400MB RAM free.... does it normal for this new tablet... plz bcoz i am new android system ....
(sorry for bad english)
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Yes, it is normal.
Simply put, Android has complex - dynamic - ways of using and re-using RAM space.
As long as you don't see messages like "unable to start program", you're on the safe side.
guanellaluigi said:
Yes, it is normal.
Simply put, Android has complex - dynamic - ways of using and re-using RAM space.
As long as you don't see messages like "unable to start program", you're on the safe side.
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thanx a lot....
obayeed said:
I bought a new galaxy tab pro 8.4 (T320) 5 days ago... I installed only ''facebook'', ''fb messengers'', ''viber'', ''subway surfer'', ''clean master''.
it has 2GB RAM... but it normally shows 1.4GB RAM using and about 400MB RAM free.... does it normal for this new tablet... plz bcoz i am new android system ....
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Thats normal. I always use cleanmaster to clean the RAM!
TobiJo said:
Thats normal. I always use cleanmaster to clean the RAM!
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thanks bro :good:
Its normal. It doesn't benefit Android to have RAM free, and in fact its usually more efficient to have RAM as full as possible. This lets you quickly access commonly used apps, instead of stopping and starting them every time.
Also, be careful about using task killers for many of the same reasons. Freeing RAM has little benefit, but constantly killing and restarting tasks can actually impact performance, battery, or cause other issues.
it seems like no matter what my zenphone uses about 1.5 Gb but i know people have gotten it under 1GB. how? im currently using superzen and i tried cynogen mod as well. same story. i cant seem to free up more ram.
Let me ask you a question: Why do you want lower ram?
ZenobiaKael said:
it seems like no matter what my zenphone uses about 1.5 Gb but i know people have gotten it under 1GB. how? im currently using superzen and i tried cynogen mod as well. same story. i cant seem to free up more ram.
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As long as it's smooth and good multi-tasking. You dont have to really care about the " number " of your free ram
I would go further and say that all the silly bloatware on ZF2 that tries to minimize RAM usage is the opposite of what you want. Killing apps to save RAM means the next time you use the app, it must be reloaded from flash and reinitialized, which uses battery. Leaving apps asleep in RAM uses no battery, assuming the app isn't doing something stupid, like loading ads in the background to try and siphon off money from google. If an app is wasting battery when you aren't using it, I recommend deleting it so the author gets the message that it's not acceptable to do that.
I got rid of my widgets and that made a difference
Hello Everyone!
At first, I thought it was just me but after searching I find that a lot of other owners on Reddit and even here face similar issues. I don't have more than a normal amount of apps installed. I don't use a 3rd party launcher either. The memory utilization log clearly says that the Android OS is eating up most of the RAM (1,2gb RAM).
I am using Nougat (7..1.2) right now with custom ROM by LineageOS ...My phone gets really slow , app switching slow and sometimes i get crashes (randomly).
Android OS usage is 1,2 GB and Facebook,Messenger,Instagram 150-200mb each..
My previous Roms were PureNexus (7.1.2) same problem after 6months,Google Pixel2 Rom for 3 days (8.1.0) same..
My question is : Is it me or Android is claiming lot of memory for better managment and allocation..? and if anyone using a stable rom without facing the same ram issues..
Thanks!
al13nas said:
Hello Everyone!
At first, I thought it was just me but after searching I find that a lot of other owners on Reddit and even here face similar issues. I don't have more than a normal amount of apps installed. I don't use a 3rd party launcher either. The memory utilization log clearly says that the Android OS is eating up most of the RAM (1,2gb RAM).
I am using Nougat (7..1.2) right now with custom ROM by LineageOS ...My phone gets really slow , app switching slow and sometimes i get crashes (randomly).
Android OS usage is 1,2 GB and Facebook,Messenger,Instagram 150-200mb each..
My previous Roms were PureNexus (7.1.2) same problem after 6months,Google Pixel2 Rom for 3 days (8.1.0) same..
My question is : Is it me or Android is claiming lot of memory for better managment and allocation..? and if anyone using a stable rom without facing the same ram issues..
Thanks!
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There's an old saying that free ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of managing ram so you're never going to see a lot of free ram. You have nothing to worry about.
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jd1639 said:
There's an old saying that free ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of managing ram so you're never going to see a lot of free ram. You have nothing to worry about.
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I dont need a lot of free ram.. i just need a smooth feel ( no crashes , lagging etc)
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al13nas said:
I dont need a lot of free ram.. i just need a smooth feel ( no crashes , lagging etc)
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I don't think you will get a smooth feel with newer versions of Android and the Nexus 5X with it's 2GB of RAM, which even at launch was criticised for not being very much, as most apps are unloaded as they move to the background to free up memory, so each time you launch an app it has to load from scratch. I was always seeing the Hangouts splash screen for example, it never stayed loaded after any amount of time, and these extra delays in loading apps is what causes the feeling of lag.
I've now just moved to a Pixel 2 with 4GB of memory and can see the difference straight away in that apps I can switch to instantly as they are not reloaded each time.
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Phil