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Android is praised for having 'real' multitasking. But why does it have to 'suck' on a phone with 1GB memory?
Chrome starts to reload 3-4 tabs only if it's the only app 'opened' (of course there are other background services. but I don't have much running services, map, google messaging service, keyboard, )
I think it could also be problem with app. app not releasing memory resource when goes to background.
But it's really annoying to see that apps activity needs to be created again from scratch after opening a few apps.
Please discuss your opinion here.
Bayint Naung said:
Android is praised for having 'real' multitasking. But why does it have to 'suck' on a phone with 1GB memory?
Chrome starts to reload 3-4 tabs only if it's the only app 'opened' (of course there are other background services. but I don't have much running services, map, google messaging service, keyboard, )
I think it could also be problem with app. app not releasing memory resource when goes to background.
But it's really annoying to see that apps activity needs to be created again from scratch after opening a few apps.
Please discuss your opinion here.
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No problems here..
try to avoid apps with high memory usage, one being the Facebook app
crixley said:
No problems here..
try to avoid apps with high memory usage, one being the Facebook app
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I don't have facebook running as I've said earlier. I don't even have it installed.
But I"m still not convinced that it's the BEST android multitasking could have. it's too aggressively killing background activity..
Bayint Naung said:
I don't have facebook running as I've said earlier. I don't even have it installed.
But I"m still not convinced that it's the BEST android multitasking could have. it's too aggressively killing background activity..
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Get autokiller from the market and adjust the settings then. You want lower numbers in the app to allow more applications to stay active. Note that some apps might just kill background memory use, there's nothing you can do about that one.
Doing this might make your phone more laggy. You need to decide for yourself what the best trade-off is for you.
When exactly does it do it? I have 5 tabs open and I'm good! Is it after a while of inactivity?
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I have never noticed this issue.
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When exactly does it do it? I have 5 tabs open and I'm good! Is it after a while of inactivity?
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It's not a refresh (like refresh web page), I think it's just re-rendered from the cache..
even though I'm android fan, I'm jealous how iOS manage to run pretty well for daily use with 512MB... probably dalvik JIT is culprit here?
I personally think this is a problem with chrome and this is the reason I don't like chrome because it runs a constant large service at 70+ mb at all times which takes away from general multitasking of the phone. My guess is this is related to your problem. Persistent services on android are rather powerful and when one is too large it has detrimental effects. Maybe others don't experience this with chrome, but I did, and that's why I stopped using it.
Yes, chrome is worse than stock browser.
Stock can maintain usually 4-5 tabs easily without reloading.
Hopefully Google could do something with both chrome and improve OS multitasking capability.
I find it odd that this is not a more frequented topic for this device.
I'm running JB and really, the lack of memory for these phones is appalling.
I found an app that would create swap space and it is really working quite well.
Before, I would have to free up ram in order to keep programs running like they should.
Now, I can practically boot my phone and not both with that anymore.
Yes, swap can slow the phone.
Yes, swap is slow and overly inefficient.
But, the benefits of a little swap space (32mb) is a VAST improvement.
I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this. I am relieved to find an app that would do this automatically instead of having to code something up myself.
you don't need an app for this
just use the script I provided in the CM10 thread or wait for the next CM10 build. It will create about 200 mb of swap space by default
and this has been the topic in many threads so you are wrong on this
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speckl said:
I find it odd that this is not a more frequented topic for this device.
I'm running JB and really, the lack of memory for these phones is appalling.
I found an app that would create swap space and it is really working quite well.
Before, I would have to free up ram in order to keep programs running like they should.
Now, I can practically boot my phone and not both with that anymore.
Yes, swap can slow the phone.
Yes, swap is slow and overly inefficient.
But, the benefits of a little swap space (32mb) is a VAST improvement.
I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this. I am relieved to find an app that would do this automatically instead of having to code something up myself.
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you might find it odd for the reason that hardly anyone has mem problems, i have a ton of apps installed and don't run out of mem....
I beg to differ.
Run:
IMO
Facebook
Twitter
Mail (Exchange Services)
Then proceed to browse the web and watch the lag happen on JB.
Running with 20mb free memory is not what I consider optimal. If this phone had even 512mb ram then I wouldn't even be having these issues.
@maxwen - What thread are you talking about?
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I beg to differ.
Run:
IMO
Facebook
Twitter
Mail (Exchange Services)
Then proceed to browse the web and watch the lag happen on JB.
Running with 20mb free memory is not what I consider optimal. If this phone had even 512mb ram then I wouldn't even be having these issues.
@maxwen - What thread are you talking about?
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facebook app is notorious for using high amount of memory for no reason, uninstall it and watch everything get better. also stop ram watching, android has a very good task manager which you can tweak...
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I beg to differ.
Run:
IMO
Facebook
Twitter
Mail (Exchange Services)
Then proceed to browse the web and watch the lag happen on JB.
Running with 20mb free memory is not what I consider optimal. If this phone had even 512mb ram then I wouldn't even be having these issues.
@maxwen - What thread are you talking about?
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I use many apps and don't run out of mem. And I don't RAM watch unless I know I've way too many apps. Just calm down, uninstall Facebook (RAM/lag hog) and you would be fine. There shouldn't be any lag in these ROMs, as we run ICS without lag whatsoever.
I do not see how uninstalling Facebook is the answer. It proves my point.
Basically, I have these phones and since my wife had an iPhone before this one I get an ear full every day.
She likes MIUI because it looks similar. So I have that installed for her. I've personally had a better experience with Pacman. So I'm going to move her to that.
What I have noticed is that swap works on these devices better than without.
To tell someone to uninstall a memory hog defeats the purpose of basic consumer usage of these phones.
They are low on memory. We cannot upgrade the ram, but we can work around it.
I would prefer to use a generic version of JB and not one all spiffed up with extras.
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I do not see how uninstalling Facebook is the answer. It proves my point.
Basically, I have these phones and since my wife had an iPhone before this one I get an ear full every day.
She likes MIUI because it looks similar. So I have that installed for her. I've personally had a better experience with Pacman. So I'm going to move her to that.
What I have noticed is that swap works on these devices better than without.
To tell someone to uninstall a memory hog defeats the purpose of basic consumer usage of these phones.
They are low on memory. We cannot upgrade the ram, but we can work around it.
I would prefer to use a generic version of JB and not one all spiffed up with extras.
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Then stop your b1tching and moaning, and go do one! i don't and Maxwen don't spend all our time building rom's for someone to seem really ungrateful for the work we put in! Facebook uses a MASS amount of memory on ALL devices and causes problems on ALL devices!
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go do one = generic version of JB
i would like to see a logcat of this "low ram issue"
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I do not see how uninstalling Facebook is the answer. It proves my point.
Basically, I have these phones and since my wife had an iPhone before this one I get an ear full every day.
She likes MIUI because it looks similar. So I have that installed for her. I've personally had a better experience with Pacman. So I'm going to move her to that.
What I have noticed is that swap works on these devices better than without.
To tell someone to uninstall a memory hog defeats the purpose of basic consumer usage of these phones.
They are low on memory. We cannot upgrade the ram, but we can work around it.
I would prefer to use a generic version of JB and not one all spiffed up with extras.
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Facebook isn't only a problem on this device.
My device is the HTC One X. Its considered a "high-end" phone. Still though, my phone, along with other people's phones lag, and lose battery like crazy when it is installed.
Don't blame developers. The hardware in these phones is not the developers issue. Crappy apps is the issue.
I hope that I'm not sounding ungrateful. I'm extremely pleased with current rom progress. My issue is directly related to the lack of ram on these devices. I'm not sure exactly how a logcat would be helpful when there are no errors occurring. However, this device we released a few months ago. Their lack of a minimum of 512mb of ram is disheartening. Android and its applications have been moving forward with developing great devices that could one day relieve the need to goto a computer for specific tasks.
Facebook is a hog. I agree with this, but removing it is not a fix.
Android is great with memory management. Linux in general is. But forcing background apps that should stay running to close is something that swap helps to relieve.
I've currently had zero issues with apps that I have running in the background. They are now staying open like they should be.
I would love to build a rom. However, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. And as time permits, it's not really something I can pursue at the moment.
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I hope that I'm not sounding ungrateful. I'm extremely pleased with current rom progress. My issue is directly related to the lack of ram on these devices. I'm not sure exactly how a logcat would be helpful when there are no errors occurring. However, this device we released a few months ago. Their lack of a minimum of 512mb of ram is disheartening. Android and its applications have been moving forward with developing great devices that could one day relieve the need to goto a computer for specific tasks.
Facebook is a hog. I agree with this, but removing it is not a fix.
Android is great with memory management. Linux in general is. But forcing background apps that should stay running to close is something that swap helps to relieve.
I've currently had zero issues with apps that I have running in the background. They are now staying open like they should be.
I would love to build a rom. However, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. And as time permits, it's not really something I can pursue at the moment.
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NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT FACEBOOK!!! Find a third party app or use the web! (http://facebook.com in case you need a link). Removing it is the only fix you have. Don't build a ROM, build a phone and build a third party Facebook app.
Edit: Yes, you do sound ungrateful.
kalaker said:
NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT FACEBOOK!!! Find a third party app or use the web! (http://facebook.com in case you need a link). Removing it is the only fix you have. Don't build a ROM, build a phone and build a third party Facebook app.
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Why exactly did you feel the need to reply without reading the purpose of this thread.
speckl said:
I hope that I'm not sounding ungrateful. I'm extremely pleased with current rom progress. My issue is directly related to the lack of ram on these devices. I'm not sure exactly how a logcat would be helpful when there are no errors occurring. However, this device we released a few months ago. Their lack of a minimum of 512mb of ram is disheartening. Android and its applications have been moving forward with developing great devices that could one day relieve the need to goto a computer for specific tasks.
Facebook is a hog. I agree with this, but removing it is not a fix.
Android is great with memory management. Linux in general is. But forcing background apps that should stay running to close is something that swap helps to relieve.
I've currently had zero issues with apps that I have running in the background. They are now staying open like they should be.
I would love to build a rom. However, I wouldn't have a clue where to start. And as time permits, it's not really something I can pursue at the moment.
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you might not see the problem, but i might, as you and maybe one or two other people are having this problem, NONE of the dev's can reproduce this. i mean NO ONE....hence why i ask for a logcat
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Why exactly did you feel the need to reply without reading the purpose of this thread.
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1. I feel the need to reply because swap won't solve the problem in your scenario. In your scenario, you need a Facebook replacement as swap will not not help. The Facebook app sucks; Facebook is not even meant for use on JellyBean.
2. Because you are being rude to devs who deserve your thanks, not your impatience.
Lloir is right. Just give him a logcat.
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1. I feel the need to reply because swap won't solve the problem in your scenario. In your scenario, you need a Facebook replacement as swap will not not help. The Facebook app sucks; Facebook is not even meant for use on JellyBean.
2. Because you are being rude to devs who deserve your thanks, not your impatience.
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1. This is the most ridiculous response I have ever seen. Facebook isn't supposed to be used on JB? Does FB know this?
2. I am not being rude at all. I'm trying to have a conversation with general HTC One V users that may have so opinions on using swap.
The devs believe its not needed. The devs are not typical users, nor am I.
For your info, swap DOES help. When using facebook on the phone, it does not kill off other processes that I want to continue running.
Lloir, logcat wont help. Best is to install a ton of apps that should stay running in the background when opened. I provided this list earlier. You will notice that ram will get low and kill off one of those processes that it needs to kill to continue running the opened app.
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1. This is the most ridiculous response I have ever seen. Facebook isn't supposed to be used on JB? Does FB know this?
2. I am not being rude at all. I'm trying to have a conversation with general HTC One V users that may have so opinions on using swap.
The devs believe its not needed. The devs are not typical users, nor am I.
For your info, swap DOES help. When using facebook on the phone, it does not kill off other processes that I want to continue running.
Lloir, logcat wont help. Best is to install a ton of apps that should stay running in the background when opened. I provided this list earlier. You will notice that ram will get low and kill off one of those processes that it needs to kill to continue running the opened app.
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well in that case if my belief is not needed good luck in getting help....this has been a hot topic between ALL of us in IRC...i have a ton of apps + more installed and still i get 138mb~ free, if your not willing to provide me with a logcat then so be it.
im done here
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well in that case if my belief is not needed good luck in getting help....this has been a hot topic between ALL of us in IRC...i have a ton of apps + more installed and still i get 138mb~ free,
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~120mb for me BTW
Wait. Why the duck do you blame ROMs if you use some apps on it? Did the ROM came with Facebook integration or any other social channel for that matter? NO!
You are using them solo, a developer is not here to help you if the Facebook app itself has problems. One v has small amount of ram? Go buy an iPhone. Why did you buy it in the first place?
Seems to me that you are the developer of that swap app and you expected everyone to ask you to give a link. We are not that stupid, we don't need an app to mk swap.
Your ungratefulness has driven me on the wall this morning and you don't deserve to run our crappy ROMs how you think they are.
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Wait. Why the duck do you blame ROMs if you use some apps on it? Did the ROM came with Facebook integration or any other social channel for that matter? NO!
You are using them solo, a developer is not here to help you if the Facebook app itself has problems. One v has small amount of ram? Go buy an iPhone. Why did you buy it in the first place?
Seems to me that you are the developer of that swap app and you expected everyone to ask you to give a link. We are not that stupid, we don't need an app to mk swap.
Your ungratefulness has driven me on the wall this morning and you don't deserve to run our crappy ROMs how you think they are.
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If u wanted to run all those high end apps u shud have bought a high end smart phone ....
1cebox chill I'll find him and kill him
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So i've only had the phone for a few days and started noticing lag mainly in the settings yesterday.
It was buttery smooth the first few days until yesterday. I'll try to create a clear description of what is happening.
Everything in terms of hitting applications, sliding/switching pages, and browsers seems smooth but I'm getting doubts since settings have started lagging. So as of now, the settings menu is where I really notice the problem. What happens is I would press any of the choices such as display, sound, storage, etc and it would light up blue as a sign that I pressed it. Basically, the blue lighting stutters/lags as it turns into a deeper color and fades away proving that there is some lag. That itself is very irritating on such a powerful phone. The page also lags a bit as it's opening so it's obvious that it does lag. I don't understand why something as simple as settings might be causing this?
have any of you guys noticed this? I tried clearing ram, restarting phone, messing with dev options by changing animation and something else to .5x while enabling "force GPU rendering." I'm running stock touchwiz on baseband T889UVALJ1 if that helps. Keep in mind i'm not really tech savvy so try to suggest things in an easy to understand way please.
Any help is greatly appreciated and I hope you guys can help me fix my problem!
Been using it for the past 1 month plus and I do not have any lagging issues. I am on stock rom as well.
No lag either, been using the Note 2 for 2 months now. Check your apps with BetterBatteryStatts (too many backgroundservices runing).
No lag either. Did u install some crappy apps that run backstage
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Thanks for the replies so far and before I spend some money on apps or what not, is there any way I can post a 5 second animation of what is happening? Kind of like a 5 second gif of my screen? A mix of a screenshot and video so like a screen vid? Are there are any apps that can do that(preferably free). I'll try to find an app that can do that in the meantime and will edit if I find something useful.
Edit: No idea what this is or how it ended up on my phone but could this be the culprit? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tgrape.android.radar
People say it's bloatware and s-suggest from samsung but i'm not sure why it would be shown as an app on the play store website
I have noticed the phone can lag a bit if you have a heavy live wallpaper running.
Just sharing my thoughts on this
did you modify anything? no lags on my N2.
normally i'd say if you leave your phone on for a few days in a row, clear the memory every once in a while (press and hold home, go task manager, ram tab, clear memory) or reboot it, just so you dont have anything residual in your ram.
when android sees that you have 2gb of ram, it doesnt auto kill as many apps as it would if you were to have only 1gb of ram (my note 1 autokilled sooooooo frequently that it was annoying), so your ram ends up getting filled with some apps that you only used once in a while.
SquirtingCherry said:
I have noticed the phone can lag a bit if you have a heavy live wallpaper running.
Just sharing my thoughts on this
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I did have a live news wallpaper before but I disabled it and switched to one of the stock wallpapers and the problem persists..
parrotlarch said:
did you modify anything? no lags on my N2.
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No I didn't modify anything, were you referring to anything specific or some kind of setting?
Souai said:
normally i'd say if you leave your phone on for a few days in a row, clear the memory every once in a while (press and hold home, go task manager, ram tab, clear memory) or reboot it, just so you dont have anything residual in your ram.
when android sees that you have 2gb of ram, it doesnt auto kill as many apps as it would if you were to have only 1gb of ram (my note 1 autokilled sooooooo frequently that it was annoying), so your ram ends up getting filled with some apps that you only used once in a while.
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I wrote that I tried clearing ram and restarting phone but it didn't help. Thanks for trying though
Yeah, I get a bit of lag here and there, specially if I haven't cleared running/background apps in a while.
I just do it from the task manager, and also check out what apps are using the most battery, and possibly therefore are some of the likely culprits.
I actually use this app called Carat, which is an "Energy bug detector app" (whatever that means), but it helps identify apps that are draining the battery, and incidentally, partially contributing to the lag.
Also obvious thing like live wallpapers or touchwiz in general (including all the 'special' Samsung features like smart rotate, smart stay, smart motion) probably add to it to. Nova launcher and a static wallpaper might help.
I'll try to post a video sometime soon showing the lag. It's not serious lag, but it does stutter and lag a decent amount compared to my first few days which is what sucks.
mitchillen said:
I'll try to post a video sometime soon showing the lag. It's not serious lag, but it does stutter and lag a decent amount compared to my first few days which is what sucks.
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Make sure that power saving is turned totally off in settings to avoid UI lag.
ItzMar said:
Make sure that power saving is turned totally off in settings to avoid UI lag.
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Yeah that was one of the first things I tried, didn't help.
This happen to me..If surf net lag this could help..check your network setting.
if your SIM card is 3G,set it to "GSM/WCDMA AUTO MODE" instead of LTE..
Hope it help
william1974 said:
This happen to me..If surf net lag this could help..check your network setting.
if your SIM card is 3G,set it to "GSM/WCDMA AUTO MODE" instead of LTE..
Hope it help
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Well I have a T-mobile Galaxy note II. It should be the 4g LTE variant but lte is not available yet. I think it is the n7105
Under the settings, I only have gsm/wcdma, gsm only, and wcdma only.
I'm not sure what I have to do
Anybody experience lagging on the xda app. Im getting some stuttering when scrolling. Mine's running on full stock rom even when I clear the memory...
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DroidPH said:
Anybody experience lagging on the xda app. Im getting some stuttering when scrolling. Mine's running on full stock rom even when I clear the memory...
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You can try enabling Force GPU rendering in developers options. That usually helps with that, or at least it seemed to in my case. Report back if it actually helped
quick update:
I found a vid and my lag basically looks like this http://youtu.be/0qyijcTeHcU?t=2m27s
Look at when he clicks on display, there is clearly some lag even if it is half a second - 1 second. I'm almost certain that my lag is even worse than that, but not by too much. It's just a pain in the ass after the first few days. Would flashing a custom rom like jedi X 7.2 help out with this since it's running a bravia engine?
MohJee said:
You can try enabling Force GPU rendering in developers options. That usually helps with that, or at least it seemed to in my case. Report back if it actually helped
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Actually it did :good: Unfortunately I've lost 10% battery within minutes of using the XDA App. Unticked...I clicked thanks for your help mate.
The Android Gallery app data (Settings/Device Storage/Applications/Gallery/Data) in our GN8 keeps growing. It gets about 50Mb larger each time the tab is turned on or restarted. It doesn't grow while the tablet or Gallery application is in use and overall data usage doesn't increase either.
Here's what I've found...so far:
* Wi-Fi data consumption does not increase. This would be important if this were happening on a smartphone...3G or 4G data cap considerations.
* Sync is turned OFF...everywhere. All syncs are turned off for Google and Samsung accounts, email, internet, etc.
* Google+ and Picassa apps have been turned OFF. Accounts were never created for either one.
* The only Gallery settings (Wi-Fi OFF) are for Tag Buddy and Face Tag. Both have been turned OFF.
* Clearing the Gallery data starts the process all over again. Each subsequent cold boot or restart of the tab results in about a 50Mb increase of the Gallery data...NOT Wi-Fi data consumption. Clearing the Gallery data also resets Tab Buddy and Face Tag settings to default.
I'm starting to think this is some sort of Google-related Gallery pix auto-backup feature. But considering those apps that may be affected by syncing or backing-up of photos are turned OFF, why is this happening at all???
If this behavior is not normal (as designed), how can it be stopped/prevented?
Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.
What exactly do you mean?
As in you clear data then restart the tablet and 50 MB appears? Every time you restart, so just to understand 0 data .... restart 50MB.... restart then 50 + 50 =100 and adding 50MB every restart?
As far as Google+ account goes I believe this is done automatically.
Check out these sites.
http://www.iwebsoftsolution.com/thr...ur-android-gallery-app-is-using-so-much-data/
http://lifehacker.com/disable-google-photo-sync-to-clean-up-your-gallery-app-1148620893
http://android.appstorm.net/how-to/internet/how-to-remove-picasa-albums-from-your-gallery/
Hoping this helps
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EnzoS. said:
The Android Gallery app data (Settings/Device Storage/Applications/Gallery/Data) in our GN8 keeps growing. It gets about 50Mb larger each time the tab is turned on or restarted. It doesn't grow while the tablet or Gallery application is in use and overall data usage doesn't increase either.
Here's what I've found...so far:
* Wi-Fi data consumption does not increase. This would be important if this were happening on a smartphone...3G or 4G data cap considerations.
* Sync is turned OFF...everywhere. All syncs are turned off for Google and Samsung accounts, email, internet, etc.
* Google+ and Picassa apps have been turned OFF. Accounts were never created for either one.
* The only Gallery settings (Wi-Fi OFF) are for Tag Buddy and Face Tag. Both have been turned OFF.
* Clearing the Gallery data starts the process all over again. Each subsequent cold boot or restart of the tab results in about a 50Mb increase of the Gallery data...NOT Wi-Fi data consumption. Clearing the Gallery data also resets Tab Buddy and Face Tag settings to default.
I'm starting to think this is some sort of Google-related Gallery pix auto-backup feature. But considering those apps that may be affected by syncing or backing-up of photos are turned OFF, why is this happening at all???
If this behavior is not normal (as designed), how can it be stopped/prevented?
Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.
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I replied to your earlier thread... My fix works well and cleared up the index cache with images.
Harjan112 said in a previous post:
What exactly do you mean? As in you clear data then restart the tablet and 50 MB appears? Every time you restart, so just to understand 0 data .... restart 50MB.... restart then 50 + 50 =100 and adding 50MB every restart?
Yup...that's exactly what's happening. At one time, the data size increased by about 50Mb each time the tab was started, restarted, rebooted. The "50Mb" number changes with the size of the Gallery. That is, if the Gallery has a ton of pictures in it, that 50Mb might be considerably larger. If the Gallery is reduced in number of images, the "add on" data level might be proportionally smaller. Yes, if the data is cleared and starts at 0 (zero), each successive start or restart increases the size of that data that is reported. I have never let the data increase go for any length of time to see if it eventually stops at the byte size of all images in the gallery. From what I can see, it can keep growing indefinitely. Driving me nuts.
I haven't taken the time to review the sites you included but I'll do that right now.
I might add at this time that the tablet IS NOT ROOTED. Consequently, other recommended "fixes" or installed apps could not be considered.
One other thing: we do not have a Google+ account. As a result, Google+ is not used and has been turned off.
Once again, thank you very much for following through with this.
EnzoS. said:
One other thing: we do not have a Google+ account. As a result, Google+ is not used and has been turned off.
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This quite frankly all depends off when you made the Google account, because Google started cramming Google+ down the throats of people that made new account and were not aware of this happening, same goes for me I never signed up for Google+ but when I looked to figure out the problem you are having I came to the conclusion that I had to my surprise Google+
I would go thru every setting/option in your Google account just to make sure.
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Harjan112 said:
This quite frankly all depends off when you made the Google account, because Google started cramming Google+ down the throats of people that made new account and were not aware of this happening, same goes for me I never signed up for Google+ but when I looked to figure out the problem you are having I came to the conclusion that I had to my surprise Google+
I would go thru every setting/option in your Google account just to make sure.
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You might be on to something. We bought the tab in July (2013) equipped with Android 4.1.2 and setup the Google account upon initial startup. A few months later, the 4.2.2 upgrade was crammed down my throat then I started noticing the strange/weird stuff. If my memory is correct, stuff relative to Google+ and Picasa started showing up. Picasa, in particular came up as one of the choices when selecting wallpaper along with the Gallery choices. About that time, I turned off Google+ and Picasa having never setup accounts for either one of them.
Being an Android novice, I started thinking that even though I dropped both Google+ and Picasa they might have retained their default settings that may to this day be affecting how the Gallery works. That being said, keep in mind that I have never seen any spike in Wi-Fi data usage which would have (IMO) indicated the Gallery might be trying to upload pictures to online accounts (Google+ and/or Picasa). The only thing that keeps getting bigger is: Settings > Applications manager > All > Gallery > Data. I believe that some sort of unnecessary caching is going on and I have no idea where the files that are being created are being stored (not rooted).
I made sure that the Google account has EVERYTHING sync-associated (all check boxes) UNCHECKED...from day one. I've seen in more than one forum that there should have been a box to check/uncheck within the Google account settings for syncing pictures. Those suggestions might be for certain Samsung/Android cellphones. On our Note 8.0 there is no such box.
I'm sure I've left out some details but you've been really good at prying information out of me so I'm hoping you have more questions.
So...what do you think? Could the Google+ and/or Picasa accounts been setup without my knowledge? If so, should I go into them and turn everything off or has turning them off already done all that for me?
I'm starting to confuse myself.
EnzoS
EnzoS. said:
I believe that some sort of unnecessary caching is going on and I have no idea where the files that are being created are being stored (not rooted).
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Gallery caches & thumbnails can be found here "../mnt/sdcard/Android/data/com.sec.android.gallery3d" in My files.
Some folders like will be hidden.
So, change settings in your file manager or in system to display hidden files & folders.
As you suggested, I would indeed just try to log into Google+ and make sure everything is off/disabled, once you are sure disable Google+, and for picassa do the same procedure.
Also take a look at this site http://marcwillmore.com/2013/04/24/...d-albums-from-your-android-jellybean-gallery/ especially the part about "Cloud agent"
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@ EnzoS if everything else fails, go to your settings... gallery ... clear data and cache, then turn it off.
After you've done that go to the play store and get Quickpic that is IMO about the best gallery replacement that's out there and best off all it's FREE and AD FREE.
Here's a direct link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alensw.PicFolder
Hoping it helps
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@ EnzoS if everything else fails, go to your settings... gallery ... clear data and cache, then turn it off.
After you've done that go to the play store and get Quickpic that is IMO about the best gallery replacement that's out there and best off all it's FREE and AD FREE.
Here's a direct link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alensw.PicFolder
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Harjan112: Thank you again for your suggestion. My next step will be exactly as you described. I've heard nothing negative about QuickPic and I can't wait to try it out. I do have one concern, however. I read somewhere, and I think it was in a not-so-recent post that warned about some form of conflict with the tab's camera. I think it said that if the stock Gallery was not available to view a recently-taken picture by tapping the little thumbnail in the lower-right corner of the camera UI, there was no way to quickly view a snapshot because this function might be tied exclusively to the stock Gallery. Have you heard anything in this regard or has the current version of QuickPic overcome this issue?
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I think it said that if the stock Gallery was not available to view a recently-taken picture by tapping the little thumbnail in the lower-right corner of the camera UI, there was no way to quickly view a snapshot because this function might be tied exclusively to the stock Gallery.
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This is correct, I guess that would be the only downfall.
Check out this camera app that could replace the stock camera, it does have the preview window and you can choose what app you want to use for previewing the pictures.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam
Hoping this helps
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Harjan112: Thank you again for your suggestion. My next step will be exactly as you described. I've heard nothing negative about QuickPic and I can't wait to try it out. I do have one concern, however. I read somewhere, and I think it was in a not-so-recent post that warned about some form of conflict with the tab's camera. I think it said that if the stock Gallery was not available to view a recently-taken picture by tapping the little thumbnail in the lower-right corner of the camera UI, there was no way to quickly view a snapshot because this function might be tied exclusively to the stock Gallery. Have you heard anything in this regard or has the current version of QuickPic overcome this issue?
EnzoS
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Well, I gave quickpic a try, still like the Gallery app the best on a tablet. The only way your going to be happy is to root and setup exposed with wanam module at the very minimum. I know, you do not want to void warranty, but you can root without flashing, and completely remove it as well.
Also, quickpic does create some sort of cache, though you can adjust what cache you want to some degree.
I did a side by side comparison with quickness and use, in some ways quickpic seems easier at finding what you want quickly, but the way I organized my media on SD and setup paths to point to them properly, makes both near equals. Though Gallery is faster at bringing up images when quickly scrolling, while both have caching disabled.
Not that I am pro Gallery, just I feel I am going backwards with non-tablet apps over stock.
If I were constantly battling over 500MB of cached images, which can be easily done if left stock, I would lean towards rooting over dealing with app shortcomings.
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Well, I gave quickpic a try, still like the Gallery app the best on a tablet. The only way your going to be happy is to root and setup exposed with wanam module at the very minimum. I know, you do not want to void warranty, but you can root without flashing, and completely remove it as well.
Also, quickpic does create some sort of cache, though you can adjust what cache you want to some degree.
I did a side by side comparison with quickness and use, in some ways quickpic seems easier at finding what you want quickly, but the way I organized my media on SD and setup paths to point to them properly, makes both near equals. Though Gallery is faster at bringing up images when quickly scrolling, while both have caching disabled.
Not that I am pro Gallery, just I feel I am going backwards with non-tablet apps over stock.
If I were constantly battling over 500MB of cached images, which can be easily done if left stock, I would lean towards rooting over dealing with app shortcomings.
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It's good to hear that you actually have experience with the app in question. So many forum responders have never even used a particular app or have encountered various issues but have opinions and recommendations anyway.
WRT my acceptance of the tab's performance, that's what I was initially looking to find out. Is this phenomenon of the Gallery's data "bloat" what is expected to be happening or do we have a problem that should be fixed? I believe you are saying that this is normal behavior. If so, I'm good with that and will periodically take steps to clean it up...as I have been doing for many months now. If this is not normal, that is, the size of the "data" should reach a plateau and stop growing, I want to do something about it. Otherwise, I'd be perfectly happy to accept it as SOP and move on. No need to go nuts over a non-issue (ha).
Like you, I'd prefer to use the apps that came with the device rather than be constantly looking for something that might be superior to or offer a couple more insignificant features. Although we don't like what they did with the appearance of the Gallery app when the 4.2.2 upgrade was forced down our throats, we're perfectly happy with the way it performs. We don't need anything capable of graphic manipulations on an 8" tablet that the wife uses primarily to play off-line games and to periodically check the weather radar and email. We're in our 60s and don't need another play toy (ha). When we need to perform any high intensity graphics or audio editing, we use the PC with a 22" HD monitor.
One last thing: please check out the screen dump I attached. So there's no more confusion, I have pointed to the reading on the Application Manager screen for the Gallery app that grows every time the tab is started or restarted. I trust we're on the same page with all this.
Very best...
EnzoS
I am actually using both apps I suggested here and not just put it on here without thinking that it might help you.
I hope you figure out what's wrong.
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I got it that you're using both the apps. Actually, that's probably the only way to see if it's gonna make a difference. I would never suggest that you're making a recommendation without actually thinking (knowing) that it would help the issue.
So...can I assume that you believe there is actually something wrong here or am I just complaining about something that is working properly but not necessarily up to my expectations? If this is the way it's supposed to work, I'm good with it. I'll leave it alone and go on to something new.
Were you able to view the image I attached?
What say you...oh wise one?
EnzoS
Where are the pictures located (internal or external SD card) and how many pictures are we talking?
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Everything is on internal SD. As an experiment, I took the number of pictures down to under 10. Right now, I loaded it up to 239 in 5 separate directories...EVERYTHING in the "Pictures" directory.
I just did a little experiment myself and transferred my pictures from my Note2 to my Note8, 600 some pics on external 64GB SD card, then turned my gallery back on to see what would happen here are some screenshots
Then did a restart
As you can see gallery data goes up but on quickpic it stays the same.
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Hi
I have the same problem but with a huge space 51 GB !!!!
And Google photos sync is off.
But also with this I still can install or uninstall apps without any problems.
I am using x note rom v5
am2010r said:
I have the same problem but with a huge space 51 GB !!!!
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Something doesn't look right at all.
The Note8 comes only in 2 "flavors" 16 or 32 GB internal memory!!!
Something is reporting the size wrong.
You could always give quickpic a try and see what happens.
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I just did a little experiment myself and transferred my pictures from my Note2 to my Note8, 600 some pics on external 64GB SD card, then turned my gallery back on to see what would happen here are some screenshots
Then did a restart
As you can see gallery data goes up but on quickpic it stays the same.
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It looks as though our conversation has attracted (finally) others who might be having the same problem. Thank you for your 2 cents am2010r.
Harjan112: Is it correct that you loaded your Note 8.0 with a bunch more pictures, checked the "data" reading, it was 14.73, then you rebooted and it was 38.50??? If that's the case, it appears that yours is doing what mine is doing: the "data" reading increases (at whatever increment the system wants to) upon each boot/reboot.
If that's the case then I have to assume the system wants to do that and I'll accept it and move on.
Of course, I thank you very much for taking all your time to help me unravel this.
EnzoS
My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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I get your issue.
My intent is not to belittle. or start a war of words.
My question is why would it be expected for Google to be concerned about the performance of an application that was "improperly" ported over to hw it hasnt been made available to yet?
What is the goal?
BTW I have the P3 app and am not experiencing any issues v6.1.013.216795316 if it makes a difference.
Magisk over Stock
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My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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I get your issue.
My intent is not to belittle. or start a war of words.
My question is why would it be expected for Google to be concerned about the performance of an application that was "improperly" ported over to hw it hasnt been made available to yet?
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Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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I'm guessing parakleet assumed you were using the recently ported camera app by a dev that enables Night Sight for P2's. That feature hasn't yet been optimized or enabled for phones other than P3's. If you are just using the stock camera app from the Play store using HDR+ or enhanced for a single picture, then no the phone is not supposed to lag and you have a genuine issue. Is the phone getting warm at the same time? If you are taking multiple HDR's close together then maybe... Mine only lags a bit processing Photospheres, but not long. You may start with resetting the camera app settings (or all app settings). Make sure you wipe the camera app data.
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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Please read up on Linux memory management.
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Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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I never said RAM usage is a bad thing. I just said what I observed on my phone which behavie very similiar to OP. My 2 XL struggls when the built-in camera running and since I have memory monitor app showing me real-time memory usage status, I can see the 2 XL's RAM become extreme ly (~300M) and my background app (including launcher) got killed all the time.
What you said above is what is INTENDED. But what I said is the real world result.
If you own a 2XL, just use it for couple of hours (this never happens after fresh reboot), then run camera app, taking 2 pictures, then return to launcher, then open camera app and taking some pictures. You will see this real world issue.
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nomisunrider said:
Please read up on Linux memory management.
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I believe your reply is neither helpful nor correct. Although Android is based on Linux but Android havily turned the memory management parameters and are running with millions app combinations on millions of machines (phone) with millions of different usage pattern, network status.. The behavior of each phone is bound to be different. What works on one phone is not guaranteed on the other.
Answer like yours assuming other people is lessk nowledgeable on certain topic then yourself is not a good thing on XDA, we are here helping each other here, try to find out answer together.
This is real world, not just some theory nor design guild line. And sure, I do know one thing or two about Linux memory management.
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And sure, I do know one thing or two about Linux memory management.
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This is the problem. You just need to do a small amount of reading to understand why looking at free/available memory is not that useful. 5 minutes of reading is all it would take.
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This is the problem. You just need to do a small amount of reading to understand why looking at free/available memory is not that useful. 5 minutes of reading is all it would take.
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Still not helpful. Sigh....
If you cannot provide any useful answer to OP or my real world situation, then please do not reply to this thread further. You are wasting our time.
If you are here just to judge the knowledge of other person you don't know at all, then please leave this forum. You are just being a troll. (a polite one, I admitted though.) We don't need troll here.
I do hope moderator can close this thread since this is getting ridiculous. OP and I have problem on 2XL's camera app issue which might related to memory management issue but troll like you insist we need to read some text book while not providing any explanation nor solution.
And to answer your question, yes, I did read the Linux memory management logic and I also read/experiment a lot more than just that. "Free RAM is bad RAM" is a myth that only applicable in certain situation like data server, since their primary function is providing data and caching data stored in slower disk in RAM is a really a good strategy.
However in modern phone, people not want only data, we want to switch between unspecified APP thus it's important to also have app cached versus data cached (also the data we want is usually changing on the cloud). Beside, Android memory management (at least on my 2 XL Pie) has a arguable bad habit of killing a bunch of even persistent app while available RAM is lower than 350MB (based on my observation). Instead of process my immediate request (the camera app), the phone spend a lot of time killing all other apps which causes the problem of slow performance on my 2XL as well as an explanation on OP's problem.
If you have better explanation or solution please provide, if not, please just shut up.