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First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
I still don't understand why people think we care why or even that they are returning their devices.
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I still don't understand why people think we care why or even that they are returning their devices.
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Classic reply! But I invite serious thoughts and suggestions that other users can use to make an informed decision for buying Moto 360 or Wear device.
Thanks.
sshark said:
First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
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It's all screen and marketing until they actually put the thing on the market and it works.
Exactly how many choices do you have when buying an apple phone? Two models and a choice ($$$) of memory.... Wee! Did you catch the part where they said the iwatch will have about a day of power? Will that be average in 2015?
I will stick with cutting edge choice. You have more vendors producing wear watches the further we get so we have many more product cycles in play.
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It's all screen and marketing until they actually put the thing on the market and it works.
Exactly how many choices do you have when buying an apple phone? Two models and a choice ($$$) of memory.... Wee! Did you catch the part where they said the iwatch will have about a day of power? Will that be average in 2015?
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I think you are missing the point. I am not thinking about buying Watch, I would just like Wear to be more polished. Seems like if Google has strategy, they haven't forcefully executed the strategy so that average consumer knows what product roadmap will look like. As for power, today's TIZEN and some Wear watches do offer longer battery life. I am not sure why Moto chose to go with older processor and what implications it has on battery life.
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I will stick with cutting edge choice. You have more vendors producing wear watches the further we get so we have many more product cycles in play.
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Exactly my thoughts...until I see 2nd or 3rd cycle of products, I will sit on sidelines.
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I think you are missing the point. I am not thinking about buying Watch, I would just like Wear to be more polished. Seems like if Google has strategy, they haven't forcefully executed the strategy so that average consumer knows what product roadmap will look like. As for power, today's TIZEN and some Wear watches do offer longer battery life. I am not sure why Moto chose to go with older processor and what implications it has on battery life.
Exactly my thoughts...until I see 2nd or 3rd cycle of products, I will sit on sidelines.
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My point is the single producer product line and marketing is all apple has. They put on a good show. Problem is the features on their phones are old to most android users. They talked about a watch that isn't real yet. It's not on the market. It's os isn't on any device yet. So they market and market.
Android is our os. We have separate manufacturers using this os which leaves each manufacturer to market their own distinct features. I think Motorola marketed this watch pretty well. For using an old chip, they are still having a hard time keeping stock. I personally think mine is great. Battery lasts all day for me. Os improvements will come. Google promised them often. This is cutting edge on Google time, not apple. Sorry you didn't like it, hope by gen2 you will.
I find it funny that I've heard SO many people bad talk square smartwatches and say how ugly they are, especially Apple fans. But now that Apple announced a SQUARE smartwatch they all think it's the best invention ever.
I have a Moto 360 and I'm still learning things it can do. It is a wide open platform with tons of innovation happening. Good value.
I watched the Apple September event, second hour on Watch, and LOL'd at all the fake prototype and incomplete demonstrations. Saying the Watch is *ahead* of the Moto 360 is ignorance. You actually believe everything you saw was working? Really?
But, you can drink whatever kool-aid Apple is selling and I don't care. Just remember Google is killing them on services like Maps, Search, and Voice. So, my opinion for Apple fan boys is put up or shut up. Let us see WHAT and WHEN they ACTUALLY ship something, and how it compares AT THAT TIME with Android Wear.
Good luck.
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But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time.
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I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not. If you watched the same thing I did I cant see how you thought that watch was anything but a incredibly ugly kids toy. Drawing pictures on a tiny watch screen and sending heartbeats is a joke. What adults would do that? Seriously?
In reality you are comparing a real life product to apple$ over hyped marketing material for the watch not the actual watch itself with it's shortcomings. Did you know it has a days worth of battery? They conveniently didn't mention that except to a CNBC analyst afterwords and that they weren't happy with it. I bet it has WORSE battery life than the 360.
IMO the 360 is light years ahead of the apple watch.
It appears to me Apple is trying to make a computer for your wrist where as android wear is meant to be a companion. In this way I think less is more and wear is simply a better product.
I don't get the battery complaints.. My 360 is sitting at 50% after about 13hrs of pretty decent use.
Wear will continue to get better but as it stands I think its pretty steller. Apple's product is confusing and more over currently doesn't really exist.
Well, coming from a pebble and loved the openness of that platform. Then tried the LG G Watch and thought to myself that it couldn't be up to par. I found myself flipping both my kickstarter pebble and pebble steel within a day of usage of the LG G Watch. I drank the kool-aid and chose android wear not of what it can do now, even though it did as much as my pebble does in my case, it was the potential. So I can see where you are coming from the prime time statement. But as a pretty heavy user when it comes to data, I can see android wear leaping real far when it comes to Android L. I don't foresee L being polished either, but I just see the potential that android wear has scratched the surface and the devs will have heaps of fun with this platform. I mean just look at the facer app.
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It appears to me Apple is trying to make a computer for your wrist where as android wear is meant to be a companion. In this way I think less is more and wear is simply a better product.
I don't get the battery complaints.. My 360 is sitting at 50% after about 13hrs of pretty decent use.
Wear will continue to get better but as it stands I think its pretty steller. Apple's product is confusing and more over currently doesn't really exist.
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THIS.
If you spent any time on your android wear device (or any smartwatch), you'll realize that trying to turn your wrist device into a mini-smartphone is a stupid proposition when (1) the screen is small (2) forms of input are limited, and most importantly (3) a smartphone is literally right in your pocket.
Google understands this well, since most everything in Android Wear is completed with 2 or fewer swipes OR with pure voice. Apple will fail in this regard. Imagine trying to find your app in a sea of apps on a 1.X inch screen, then having to zoom into a group of apps to select your intended app. Sounds WAY more fun than just pulling out your phone and getting the task done without all the frustration.
Anybody who has tried to actually do anything meaningful on a smart watch while *walking* knows that it's an exercise in frustration.
This is the one time that Google took the simpler method, and will win out because of it.
Plus, the apple watch is vapor until next year, anyways.
This whole idea of wearables is still "new" so it's expected to have different opinions from both sides. I was an iPhone user when they first released the iPhone and got all the iPhones until the iPhone 5. But like someone else said, it got boring because the OS was the same. Now I consider my self a hardcore android user and so is everyone else in the family.
Anyway, I also bought Moto 360 and used it for about a week extensively. But after using it for a while, I realized the OS just doesn't have a lot of use for me PERSONALLY. I wear a real watch and it was a choice of wearing a Moto 360 or a mechanical watch. This whole idea of charging every night just didn't work for me as I had to carry my pad everywhere. But some of the things that I do miss are the Google Now where I can just talk to my watch and find out information without pulling out my phone and opening apps. This DOES have a lot of potential for the future when the developers start making exciting apps for it but for now, it just depends on the user on what their looking for. Meanwhile, my friend has this was and he said it's sufficient for his needs and it's worth it.
Realistically, people should not give Moto 360 bad rating just because it doesn't have the features that their Android 4.4 has.We said the something when Google first released the first Android OS. Just give it time and see what they bring out.
sshark said:
First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
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It's a geek toy and, unless you have mental problems, you are AWARE about what you are buying.
Also I can bet my car that after Apple revealed its watch specs the next Motorola watch will be ways better.
It's up to you and you only.
Just my 2 cents. :L
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sshark said:
First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
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It's a geek toy and, unless you have mental problems, you are AWARE about what you are buying.
Also I can bet my car that after Apple revealed its watch specs the next Motorola watch will be ways better.
It's up to you and you only.
Just my 2 cents.
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sshark said:
First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
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I completely disagree with you.
I am also a big Android user, I watched the Apple Watch presentation and I cannot be happier with AW after it. Yes Apple is a trendsetter, yes it would be blind to not see what else the market has to offer however you are comparing Apples and Pears
AW is said to be and IS a "notifications and information to your wrist" platform in order to avoid constantly checking your phone because a heavy user can check is phone up to 160 times a day but really just gets the info without even acting on it more more than 50% of the time. AW gets you the information easily and you are done because you do not intend to act on it.
Whereas Apple Watch took a different path, a "subsidiary" of the iPhone. It does not replace but it complements with phone functions. WhoTF needs to have a map on their wrist with a crown to zoom in? AW give you directions if you need direction. If you need precise map tools, you have a 4"+ screen in your pocket or purse.
I think you should move to iOS all together and zoom in / zoom out on maps on your wrist if you think AW is mistaken and if you think that Apple Watch really gave you a mini orgasm while AW didn't
On my side, I am happy to have my statusbar on my wrist. I do not need more than that, I do not want more than that. I have a 4.95" screen in my pocket and a watch is not going to make me leave it in there to be just a mini Bluetooth hotspot for the watch.
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@parth6512, is right. It comes down to how it works for you personally.
For me it's a great addition.
1) I wanted a new watch. Done.
2) I leave my phone sitting on my radio playing Pandora when I work as a plumber. Now when I get a text or phone call, I don't need to go see who it is. If it's a text I know what it is and can reply by voice if I'd like too and if it's a call I can accept it since my earpiece is usually in.
I actually find myself using my BT earpiece more than I was before now.
And to compare some pictures of a watch to an actual device is just silly.
And who wants to pinch to zoom on their watch? And to try and look at a map rather than just get your turn notifications? That's just bizarre.
I'll pull out my phone to look at a map. That's what a 5.5" screen is for.
I just ordered my moto 360, I think it is the prettiest smart watch in market right now, and the omap processor is not a deal breaker in anyway( it's a watch, you won't be playing hardcore games on it). I would brvsingvmy moto 360 n weekends and special occasions, whereas my weekdays watch would be tgevlgvg watch. As indicated by the reviewers, the battery would last a single day(not a problem at all).
I watch-fugly, cartoonish, over hyped piece of junk
sshark said:
First I am die-hard Android enthusiast and have had several Androids over the years.
But after watching Apple Watch keynote address, it became clear to me that Wear is not yet ready for prime time. Wear is still in its infancy and looks like Google is not interested in giving finished product. Just like Android itself, Google will take its own time to develop slick and chic platform while we keep on buying mediocre/cut rate products.
Looking at screens from Apple Watch, either something drastic has to happen for Wear platform to bring functionality or just plain wait.
As for, Moto 360, form is a beauty but I couldn't justify investing 250 quids for 4-year old processor and average battery life. I am going to wait until other manufacturers come up with better watches (with up to date infrastructure) and Wear itself is more user friendly!
Good ride with Moto 360 for 72 hours, while it lasted....
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It's funny how people are so different. I watch the Apple announcement video and tried very hard but couldn't find much to like about the Apple watch. It's visual appearance is what surprised me. Apple is usually the best looking product available. But I wouldn't put them in the top two with the one they showed on stage. Square? Really? It looks like a thick brick. It will not fit under a buttoned shirt sleeve.
As to the operation of the watch, Leo Laporte summed up the Apple watch pretty succinctly: "It looks like it was designed for Japanese school girls. "
Yeah, I completely disagree as well. I wonder what most people are looking for out of a smartwatch. I like the notifications and the actual watch part. There isn't a whole lot more than I want to do with it. Some quick access apps will be nice in time as they are built, but watching the Apple presentation makes it looks like their watch does almost as much as their phone, and doesn't do it very well. Instead of the Apple of old in the Jobs era where they'd come out with less features for a good clean platform to start and add more with time, they've piled very feature they could into an ugly package, with a very poor UI.
Don't get me wrong, I love that Apple came out with their watch. I love that it does all of this, but only to help fuel the competition. It's hard to say which is "better". It's fairly clear the Apple Watch does "more", but I think it does so in a very poor manner. The launcher, the silly digital crown, the pointless "features" like drawing on a tiny screen on your wrist. More isn't always better. There's a reason why they didn't talk about battery life. You know if it was worth talking about, they would have. Maybe smartwatches can evolve into more powerful devices, but they need to evolve there as we learn better ways to design the hardware AND software of a unique device, rather than try to stuff it all into a first gen device. I think the next version of the Apple Watch will be toned down quite a bit and will be much cleaner and more usable, but it marks an interesting change as Apple's first big "new" product since Jobs left and it shows a new attitude in the company where absolute refinement is no longer forefront.
For now, I'm perfectly happy for a nice clean and minimal design that tells me the time and gives me notifications. While I do wish for some changes, fixes, updates, and all that, a new version of Wear will be coming soon and I'm good with what I've got until then. This is a very much polarized topic as it applies not only to technology choice but fashion choice as well, and with the fashion sense of most of the "smartwatch type" people I know, it should be entertaining to say the least.
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400 mAh battery doesn't look very impressive to me. Screen is still LCD and not OLED so overall battery life could be at most 30-40% better, in my opinion.
To me, the first Moto 360 look like the successor of the new one design-wise, not the other way around. The original design is pure and futuristic.
Price also is increased by $100 (for the 46mm watch) which I find kind of greedy from Motorola.
I predict that the new Moto 360 won't have the success of the first edition, but it remains to be seen.
Personally not a big enough upgrade for me to shell out more money. Bought mine on sale for $149 and ordered a black metal band for $12 and it is working great. After the initial set-up I have never had a problem making it though a day with battery life.
I agree, mine lasts a very full day into night, not enough an upgrade to switch. A safer / less likely to crack back is a little tempting.. But I might try one of those Steel Connect products...
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Won´t buy it until it drops to $150 and I sell my 1st gen watch (I would consider other smarwatches at a similar price too)
I was really, really hoping that they would move to OLED. It really boggles me as to why they stayed with LCD, considering OLED can offer much better power-savings, and ambient mode is pretty much pointless on an LCD screen.
I would have definitely upgraded had they switched to OLED for the 2015 Moto 360, but so far, pretty disappointed with the announcement. I was half-hoping that they would implement some NFC-capabilities, but they didn't do that, either.
Wow I have to agree with all of you. LCD screen will eat the battery, and they kept the flat tire. I was excited for the final specs but now realize I will not be upgrading from my $149 first gen 360, not much changed.
I have an LG G watch R and wore it all day today with heavy usage with ambient mode on plus disabled minimal ambient screen mode so the screen looks active the entire day. As I write this 14 hours later, I still have 63% battery left. I think the Moto 360 is much more stylish, but it is a stylish black screen most of the day. I guess I will be looking at Samsung & other new watches.
I have had an LG G Watch R for about a year and just got a 1st generation Moto 360 for formal affairs. I am glad the 360 does not have an OLED screen. I don't use the Moto 360 as my daily driver, but as a short term watch for formal gatherings. I don't need it to have great battery life, but I do need to avoid the burn in issues I've seen some LG G Watch R owners experience. I want to be able to use lighter watch faces with no fear of burn in.
I am very glad I got the 1st generation 360, before the 2nd generation came out. The latest 360 has a bigger battery, and looks nice, although I do prefer the look of the 1st generation model. With all that the 2nd generation 360 brings, it is simply not worth it's much higher price tag. Android Wear devices, used to cost much less than a phone. Now, Android Wear prices are on par with the phones they're supposed to pair with and depend on for information. They don't even have independent call and talk capability, but are priced like phones...
I did a comparison today in Moto Maker and the 2nd generation 360 would cost more than double for the same design as I purchased just last week for a 1st generation 360. That's pretty wild to me, since the 2nd generation 360 is not "that much" better.
To me, Moto and others that have just released 2015 Android Wear devices. Are in some delusional space, thinking they will get sales at their present asking prices.
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To me, Moto and others that have just released 2015 Android Wear devices. Are in some delusional space, thinking they will get sales at their present asking prices.
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I agree with this, they saw the Apple Watch pricing and they thought to match it. The fate will be the same as with Galaxy S6 vs iPhone 6: Samsung did a price drop after a few short months.
Yeah this new one just ain't worth the upgrade... I really thought they would work out a way of getting rid of the flat tire.. The price is a joke.
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I was really, really hoping that they would move to OLED. It really boggles me as to why they stayed with LCD, considering OLED can offer much better power-savings, and ambient mode is pretty much pointless on an LCD screen.
I would have definitely upgraded had they switched to OLED for the 2015 Moto 360, but so far, pretty disappointed with the announcement. I was half-hoping that they would implement some NFC-capabilities, but they didn't do that, either.
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I agree with the OLED. My assumption is that they could not outsource an OLED display of their required size and shape (1.56" with flat-tyre at the bottom, minimal bezel and all the electronics in the flat-tyre area) in a cost-effective manner. Samsung and LG use much smaller 1.2" displays with large to huge bezels. Huawei is a bit of a surprise though.
But with a 400mAh battery, updated processor and maybe LCD backlight improvements I think we are in for a surprise regarding battery life with the always-on display. Or at least I hope so.
In the mean time, I really like the Samsung Gear S2 so I may just get that as an upgrade if it has really good battery life.
I was in the market for a new watch and figured that I may as well check out Android Wear. After reviewing and looking into all of the Android Wear watches currently available, I was torn between the Fossil Q Founder and the Huawei Watch. I ended up going with the Fossil because I figured it would be more future proof with the Intel Atom processor and 1GB of ram. I also read an article by Android Police on the Fossil Q Founder that stated it had an internal speaker for future use. (Which, it does not!) I did like the design and overall look of the Fossil. However, it was pretty huge and it didn't fit / feel right on my wrist at all and was too bulky. This, the flat tire, and the fact that it doesn't have the speaker was just too much. So I decided to return it. I should have went with my first choice, which was the Huawei Watch.
I ordered the stainless steel / black leather Huawei Watch from BH Photo Video for $309 on Dec 22nd. They gave me free overnight shipping and do not charge sales tax, which is awesome. I received it the next day. It is kind of my Christmas present to myself. (The Fossil was suppose to be) I love it! It is much nicer than the Fossil. The display is better, the steel finish looks nicer, and even the leather band seems nicer / higher quality than the one on the Fossil. It fits me perfect and feels awesome on my wrist. I prefer a larger watch face and the Huawei Watch is perfect for me. It's not to big, yet not to small. I love that it has the speaker for future use as well.
I thought I would post this for people who are thinking about getting the Huawei Watch but are also looking at the Fossil Q Founder. As someone who originally purchased the Fossil and had it in person, trust me. Get the Huawei. It is so much nicer in every way. If you browse around you can find the leather band version for around $300, only $25 more than the Fossil with the leather band. I went with the Fossil originally because I thought it would be more future proof but the fact that it does not have a speaker destroys that concept in my opinion.
Huawei watch is the best looking smart watch on the market right now. No if or buts about it. I have had the black one for a month now and have gotten tons of compliments.
I just love it and can't wait to see what they are going to do with the 2nd generation.
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I was in the market for a new watch and figured that I may as well check out Android Wear. After reviewing and looking into all of the Android Wear watches currently available, I was torn between the Fossil Q Founder and the Huawei Watch. I ended up going with the Fossil because I figured it would be more future proof with the Intel Atom processor and 1GB of ram. I also read an article by Android Police on the Fossil Q Founder that stated it had an internal speaker for future use. (Which, it does not!) I did like the design and overall look of the Fossil. However, it was pretty huge and it didn't fit / feel right on my wrist at all and was too bulky. This, the flat tire, and the fact that it doesn't have the speaker was just too much. So I decided to return it. I should have went with my first choice, which was the Huawei Watch.
I ordered the stainless steel / black leather Huawei Watch from BH Photo Video for $309 on Dec 22nd. They gave me free overnight shipping and do not charge sales tax, which is awesome. I received it the next day. It is kind of my Christmas present to myself. (The Fossil was suppose to be) I love it! It is much nicer than the Fossil. The display is better, the steel finish looks nicer, and even the leather band seems nicer / higher quality than the one on the Fossil. It fits me perfect and feels awesome on my wrist. I prefer a larger watch face and the Huawei Watch is perfect for me. It's not to big, yet not to small. I love that it has the speaker for future use as well.
I thought I would post this for people who are thinking about getting the Huawei Watch but are also looking at the Fossil Q Founder. As someone who originally purchased the Fossil and had it in person, trust me. Get the Huawei. It is so much nicer in every way. If you browse around you can find the leather band version for around $300, only $25 more than the Fossil with the leather band. I went with the Fossil originally because I thought it would be more future proof but the fact that it does not have a speaker destroys that concept in my opinion.
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FYI, the Huawei Watch was designed by a Swiss certified Horologist (named Ben Norton) who has 50 credited designs and has worked for both Armani and (ironically) Fossil.
With his design input, a sapphire crystal display and a cold-forged stainless steel unibody frame, there really is no other choice in the sub $1000 Smartwatch category. After Huawei, there is TAG. Nothing else comes close in premium design and feel.
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FYI, the Huawei Watch was designed by a Swiss certified Horologist (named Ben Norton) who has 50 credited designs and has worked for both Armani and (ironically) Fossil.
With his design input, a sapphire crystal display and a cold-forged stainless steel unibody frame, there really is no other choice in the sub $1000 Smartwatch category. After Huawei, there is TAG. Nothing else comes close in premium design and feel.
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Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
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Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
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The leather band of LG Urbane is very low quality. I suggest you to get to one shop and feel in on hand. Huawei is doing well on their first smartwatch, nice looking and very comfortable band.
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The leather band of LG Urbane is very low quality. I suggest you to get to one shop and feel in on hand. Huawei is doing well on their first smartwatch, nice looking and very comfortable band.
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I tried on the Urbane at Best Buy. It does not feel right at all. It is too "long" or "tall". Hard to explain, but feels awkward on my wrist. I am glad I ended up with the Huawei. To me, it is the best smartwatch available. I obviously base this on opinion of design and facts of hardware. (Sapphire Crystal, Cold Forged Stainless Steel) I did check out the Tag online. It does look pretty sweet, but definitely more sporty looking. Don't get me wrong I would definitely wear it, but I honestly prefer the design of the Huawei over the Tag. Also, if I am going to spend $1500+ on a watch, it is definitely going to be a nice analog watch that is not going to turn into "old gen" or "outdated tech".
Rektifying said:
Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
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I've owned the LG G Watch, LG Urbane, and now the Huawei watch (since it launched in September). The Urbane is awkward as you said; its very tall with a smaller display, and the feel isn't great. The Huawei Watch I have with the SS Milanese band feels significantly better. I've owned my Huawei Watch for what seems like a long time now, and I don't regret it at all. The AMOLED display is great, and I really like the brushed SS sides and polished front. The only thing that would make it better is if it had a rotating bezel like Samsung's Gear S2 does. I've used the Gear S2, and the only nice thing about it is the bezel, everything else is meh. I also tried the Moto 360 gen 2, and the LCD display/flat tore ruin it for me. My Huawei Watch gets mistaken for a real watch on a daily basis, so it's funny to watch peoples reaction when they see that it's a smart watch.
I recently wanted to buy a smart watch to monitor my exercise and health. But the budget of Apple Watch is a bit high for me. Can anyone who knows smart watches or has bought HONOR Watch answer my question? Thank you very much!
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I recently wanted to buy a smart watch to monitor my exercise and health. But the budget of Apple Watch is a bit high for me. Can anyone who knows smart watches or has bought HONOR Watch answer my question? Thank you very much!
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Hi, have a look at the Fitbit smartwatches, they are very good and better than the Honor for half the price of an Apple iWatch. Regards kuzibri
^I agree. Been using Fitbit for quite a while now and it does pretty much what an Apple Watch can.
Check the Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 forums...
Have a good look of the features of the Fitbit Sense, it's almost an Apple watch with all of it's possibilities. Realize though that Fitbit is in principle developed for Android, but also does support iOS above version 12.5 with some limitations. Kindest regards kuzibri
I think for exercises it is not very reliable, the measurements in Kilometers and in time are inaccurate , otherwise it works very well.
Yes, Fitbit watches are better than Apple I watches if you are looking for something which is under your budget and gives you more results if you are looking for something which is less than this then you can go for Realme watches orAmazfit watches.
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Apple Watch is the best for me
No, Apple smart watch is a top quality product. I used previous 7 years. I love it.
I've owned an honour watch for a few years and love the way it looks and feels. For a change of pace, I purchased an Apple Watch a few months ago, and there is no turning back now. Even in terms of price, I believe there is no comparison between the Apple Watch and the Honor Watch. Apple watches are more expensive than honour watches, but they have more features and benefits. If it's possible for you, I suggest having a look at apple watches.
Yes, HONOR Watch is a great alternative to Apple Watch. It has a variety of features that make it a great choice, such as fitness tracking, sleep tracking, and more. Additionally, it provides long battery life and is more affordable than Apple Watch.
Fyi, XDA info:
OnePlus 11 review: A polished 'almost flagship' at non-flagship price
The OnePlus 11, at $699, is a good value proposition against Samsung's Galaxy S23 series, but the existence of the Google Pixel 7 makes things tricky
www.xda-developers.com
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
XDRdaniel said:
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
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The US list price doesn't include state sales taxes (7%+ in most states), while UK price includes a 20% VAT
ThrottlePlus strikes again...
849 Euro for 12/256 Gb..
Hate !!! the "design".. Bleahhhh !!!
Good phone , but No wireless charging...
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
www.gsmarena.com
Dayuser said:
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
www.gsmarena.com
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Seems weird that they did a battery comparison without adding the S23 Ultra to the default listing since most shopping OnePlus will be looking at both.
Spoiler alert: OnePlus gets smoked.
S23U 39:23h vs 30:12h for calls
S23U 21:18h vs 15:09h for browsing
S23U 23:29h vs 19:00h for video
I'm glad that at least they didn't do their performance benchmarks with performance mode toggled on so that people could see just how much OnePlus is throttling the SoC out of the box. Of course, they probably benchmarked the battery without performance mode too which would make this an even worse showing for OnePlus since that throttled X3 core is going to be saving a lot of power that the Samsung isn't.
S23 Ultra 1400 Euro...
NO !!! thank you.., or FO!
Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
I was snooping around to upgrade my OP7Pro finally. I was very interested in Pixel 7 Pro and almost ordered but it turned out the battery life is just bad compared to other current phones. Not something I expected from Google flagship. If not the battery, I would certainly buy it, even if I really dislike the vanilla/pixel barebones android experience. Unfortunately, Tensor G2 is dead on arrival compared to S8Gen2 and power efficiency.
So the only viable alternative for me was Samsung. S23 Ultra is just too big and has this stupid, unnecessary pencil which I will never use. Big size, space wasting pencil and 1400 EUR price is out of the question for me and I was happy to go for S23+. It looks very minimal and nice, specs are good, 4700MAh battery seems to be great on it according to gsmarena review and it seems its a really great phone for its class besides inflated Samsung prices. You can try and price your device like an Apple, but still its just a Samsung, even if a great one, its still a korean dishwasher or refrigerator. Oh, and no PD charger like with Apple...
The only thing lacking is >200 EUR price difference compared to Oneplus 11. An the latter has the slider which I use very often (I also have company IP12 and often use the slider too and i am surprised no other popular brand adopted the physical toggle).
I have a wireless charging on my Iphone and sometimes I use it during a day in the office - since I'm talking half of the day it is kinda usefull for me but I never felt real need for a wireless charger for my OP7Pro which is my personal phone. And having a very fast and bundled charger with device makes it pointless for me so I'm indifferent whether it has charging coil inside or not. I dont see any advantage to either wait for a slow wireless charger or pay premium for a premium and fast wireless charger (if compatible with the phone). I also don't care about IP rating since I treat all my phones as vulnerable to weather.
Overall I preordered OP11 with trading my OP7Pro and figured: either I will like it after 6 months or not and after that I will switch/trade it for S23+ or just wait a year and try the Oneplus 12 flagship if it will be even worth it to consider.
Pixel 7 Pro is the biggest disappointment for me this year. Xiaomi 13/Pro/Ultra even if great phone, I will never touch because of it's bad OS and f-ton of spying stuff. If I have to agree to a license to even start the simple calculator or file manager then something is wrong with this company.
Samsung is too pricey to try it first before OP11. If 11 fails, then I will go with S23+. Seems like a really complete phone besides price.
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
So glad I pre-ordered OP11, right now every time I try to play a graphical intensive game or multi task my Pixel 7 Pro stutters like crazy and even gets crackly audio distortion. I suspect even if OP11 throttles it will blow Tensor 2 trash out of the water.
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Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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No mystery around wireless charging / other compromises. Do you want a cheaper phone or not?
The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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Coils ain't free
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Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
vikas776 said:
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
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Sounds like you already have all the answers. Worse phone but pay more and fit better in small hand. Your decision?
wugga3 said:
Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Please be careful. Chinese version missing several North America bands.
Guyinlaca said:
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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IF OnePlus Fold later this year is faultless, 11 be my last single screen phone (and the tablet seems attractive)- esp because trade-in 11 will make Fold \ Tablet real affordable.
I agree with you Fold is the future, even for tablets- really looking forward to it.
I disagree about wireless charging- anchors one too much to specific location \ charges slower \ easier to steal or forget \ stops charging if you need to grab and use.
Maybe it's that I use it & move around excessively...
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Do the math.. What is VAT in Canada? For me is 19% . And if there are other taxes.
And if you have 110v wall socket if it charges with 100w.