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what happend to [WIP] ICS Kernel Development

Does anyone know?
Shaky153 did not write any msg and closed the thread !?
so will it never work?
did he quit on it?
he sounded so "it will be done soon" and now everything seams abandoned ...

He closed the tread.... Simple
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No wonder, some of the people were stupid and didn't understand [DEVS ONLY] bit in the thread and this is the result of it.

My hunch, and I think that some agree is that too many people felt entitled to his work, as if he were beholden to them and accountable to the demands thrown at him. He was essentially donating his time to the community, during a time of year where no one has much time to spare. I suspect he continues his efforts but doesn't want to be bothered for progress reports or feature requests but have nothing to back that up with and it may well not be the case at all.
Personally, I would be willing to pay for his time, or the time of any developer, but I wouldn't presume to be the most important thing in that dev's world.

Looked at the thread every day a few times. Too bad some people can't just be quiet and wait. But, since this is not a [DEV} thread anymore:
Tnx Shaky153 for your effort!

i just say DAMND!!!!!

Shaky153 PM'd me to close his thread.
As the closing post in that thread was by me and said.
andyharney said:
Closed by OP's request.
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Which you read, as you noticed the thread was closed, so this thread is pointless as you already knew the answer.
If you want to know why, then PM Shaky153 as only he has the answer.
As for creating this thread in the Development Section, that is a no-no.
Questions go in the Q&A thread.
On that note, Thread Closed.

all member here please kindly read this

let me be frank. this forum is getting bored lately. a lot of new user has turned this forum into their secondary samsung service centre and repeatedly asked same questions. I don't know what other's feeling but I'm getting tired giving them repeated same answer. when I first came here this forum is a lot more nice and fun. the general section have a lot of information and great discussion about android and our sgy, while all question is placed and answered nicely in FAQ thread. but now, all those usefull information is gone. replaced, and covered by those repeated silly question. please note that I'm not saying that we can't ask question in this forum. sure we can ask any question related our sgy development, but please stop asking any troubleshooting question in general section. you can ask those question on FAQ thread anytime, or you can ask any senior member here via PM. you can even PM me, and I'll sure gladly answer if I can help.
well...please forgive me complaining. I just wanna make this forum as fun and nice as possible to all members. I can't do it by myself. I'll need all your help to keep this forum in order. if you're a new member here, please search and read before ask any question. if you're a senior member, please don't answer any troubleshooting which is not placed on FAQ question. they won't stop asking those question if you continue answer those question.
best regards,
kurotsugi

We Need Iron Fist Back

burnt out
i'm getting lazy answering the same questions too bro
clearly, they really need to use that search button, it's getting rusty

ronnieryan said:
We Need Iron Fist Back
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Really we need it back
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean

I agry wth u all ................
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Yeah. Totally. For about half a year that i'm here, totally got bored. @[email protected] I'm finding no improvements at all.

We need a Q and A section. Posting in the same thread will only make us stay put in the 'Legacy and Low Activity' devices section. There need to be threads opening up every few seconds for us to get outta this rejected low activity section and into the main frame. Only then will there be real development of this device.

I'd have to agree, especially to those porting and creating ROMs that are left/unstable and thus calling themselves devs. I think the whole forum needs a spring cleaning, and when a thread starter has already a negative reputation, I guess that's when Iron Fist should be hammered down.

Raol Emostar said:
We need a Q and A section. Posting in the same thread will only make us stay put in the 'Legacy and Low Activity' devices section. There need to be threads opening up every few seconds for us to get outta this rejected low activity section and into the main frame. Only then will there be real development of this device.
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True ... !!
Even for a simple question newbie opens a new thread

U r right kuroshi

IMO FAQ thread is more than enough for this moment. if there is new section to be created, I think sgy duos development should prioritized first.
anyway, thanks for your support guys. I hope more member will join us soon.

A Duos sub-forum inside ours? Thats gotta help in our development. More threads are proportional to more development to me. Hope there'll be QnA and other version of Galaxy Y's sections soon.

I just saw two new threads
1st about rooting n
2nd about bricking galaxy y
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean

imo separated sub-forum or faq thread is not effective. the problem is a lot of new member too lazy to use search button. even if we have Q&A section, if nobody give them an answer because similar question again and again, they will try to find other place to ask. we already have some people asking in dev section just because they want answer from a dev.
i agree with kurotsugi. if you are a senior member, ignore that kind of question. and if necessarily ask mod to close or delete. if questioner is a newbie, give him/her an advice to do search and ask mod to close that thread. that will be strong message : if you lazy, nobody here will help you.

irfanbagus said:
imo separated sub-forum or faq thread is not effective. the problem is a lot of new member too lazy to use search button. even if we have Q&A section, if nobody give them an answer because similar question again and again, they will try to find other place to ask. we already have some people asking in dev section just because they want answer from a dev.
i agree with kurotsugi. if you are a senior member, ignore that kind of question. and if necessarily ask mod to close or delete. if questioner is a newbie, give him/her an advice to do search and ask mod to close that thread. that will be strong message : if you lazy, nobody here will help you.
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I was going to report to senior mods but in my phone mode I can't copy threads links it gives me error
And I don't have a PC or laptpp
Can anyone give me link of xda app v2.0.0 so I can report to mods faster
And as I m biggest noob in this field i want to know wat r infractions
Don't want ics for y
I want Kelly bean

yeah.. i have even almost stopped checking the general section.. only check out the development section.

if we assume that all member here are read all the rules and search-read-try before ask any question, FAQ thread or even QA section is not needed. nevertheless, the reality is slightly different. let say, only those the 'more educated' one will do as we assume above. the other new members are usually never read the rules or even use search before post anything. in that case, we still need a FAQ thread to localize those question.
btw, I don't wanna see any harsh things here. not all of us are real devs, most of us here are still considered as newbie (including myself) who want to learn more about android stuff. personally I believe that this forum is not intended only for devs. this is a forum to share, learn, and improve all stuff about android. if you found new member posted those 'junk' question again, just kindly told him to post the question on FAQ thread, or if you don't have time to do that you can simply just ignore it.

Newbies should be responsible to read these 3 most important things
Read And Follow The Rules
Read Before Posting​Common Questions Should Be In FAQ​
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Yeppie
I made our forum little bit clean by pm'ing threads link to mods
My special thanks to everyone in this thread
Keep our forum clean

To keep the section clean, I think admins should:
Close the thread and delete it. If not possible to delete, then we should have a trash bin for those threads.
Also, I agree to have a Q and A section. We all know that almost all of us haven't even seen the FAQ's - count me in.
BTW, I have viewed XDA wiki when I started here.

Cannot post in Development threads?

Any Idea why??
myonlyst4r, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
Please Read: New members (those with fewer than 10 posts) are not permitted to post to development-related forums. The developer forums are intended for experienced users and developers to discuss ways to improve technical aspects related to ROMs and Software. While you may be an expert, we ask ALL users to avoid posting questions about using or installing ROMs and software in the Development Forums. To encourage this new Users can read but not post in these forums.
To ask Questions about developing your device, installing ROMs, software and themes you must go to the Q&A or General Forum.
Remember, your question has very likely been asked already, so please search before posting.
Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.
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You have few posts.
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Loll u need 10 posts!!!
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myonlyst4r said:
Any Idea why??
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A little reading goes a long way, especially in the dev section. You quoted the answer to your question in the OP

aeakin said:
A little reading goes a long way, especially in the dev section. You quoted the answer to your question in the OP
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Hence the reason for the restrictions ....lol

I already have > 10 posts....

how am i supposed to post 10 posts? it will just be spam then..
i mean all i wanted to post was a thank u for my rom developer (krarvind, slim bean rocks) and ask about new features etc

zeddicus0 said:
how am i supposed to post 10 posts? it will just be spam then..
i mean all i wanted to post was a thank u for my rom developer (krarvind, slim bean rocks) and ask about new features etc
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Spamming ten posts isn't a great idea. Try and post something meaningful and maybe try and help some others in the Q&A threads.
Rom development threads aren't really the place to post a thank you, that's why there is a thanks button. Also feature requests probably would be better suited in the Q&A thread for that rom. If it doesn't have one already maybe one can be started.

Same problem.
I am also having a problem posting on development related threads. I am having a problem and cannot let anyone know. I already have 11 posts, why am I still getting the same message that I cannot post? Any help?

I agree that the ten posts thing is ridiculous. I have been pulling my hair out trying to solve a problem, and I found a thread which discussed a possible solution to that problem, but was having some difficulty with it working, and wanted to post the specifics of my problem and how they related to the solution presented to see if it was reasonable to think the solution might work. Instead, I am treated to a condescending message telling me, in effect to take a hike (to put it politely). I don't have time to come up with ten meaningful contributions before I get help solving the problem I am having - heck, I wasn't even sure from the message where I was even supposed to post such messages, since it said I can't post to "development-related forums" - what else is there on a site called xda-developers, anyway? I only found this thread using google to search for this whole ten posts nonsense.
And then, some of the responses by certain moderators seemed down-right rude, for instance one post complaining about how they wanted to thank the author for a post and report some minor issues was countered by a moderator who apparently didn't even read that part and closed the thread, declaring that their post had proved the need for the rule, as the person obviously hadn't learned "how to search" which doesn't even make sense consider the original poster already implied they HAD since otherwise how would you thank someone for something they found helpful and contribute findings on it?
Anyway, the best I could do was to send a private message to the most recent poster who appeared to be knowledgeable about the topic and hope for a reply. They were not the original poster, nor were they one of several other people knowledgable who had previously posted; this is thus a sub-optimal solution. Furthermore, any replies directly to me won't be shared with the world, meaning it won't help anyone with the same problem as me.
And you expect me to contribute in the future after treating me this way?

Thread closed
The ten post rule is to fight spammers and people who don't search cluttering up development threads with support questions. It's not hard to get ten meaningful posts. I understand frustrations when you're trying to figure out a problem, you've done the best which is ask someone knowledgeable for help, but the rule is in place for a reason.

What happened to the phoenix rom?

Hi guys, can someone reply what happened to the phoenix rom as it's been closed 2nd time for violating forum rules. What happened here.
Scribbled from my GT-N7100.

Was wondering the same

This should serve as a warning to everyone.
The dev and another members were arguing politics. XDA is not a place to discuss race, politics, religion or any other subject not related to Smarphones.

Kremata said:
This should serve as a warning to everyone.
The dev and another members were arguing politics. XDA is not a place to discuss race, politics, religion or any other subject not related to Smarphones.
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But i thougtht that matter was already finished the first time round. After the dev asked the moderator to open the thread it was done so. I am aware of that issue. However why is it closed the 2nd time. Any idea?

I believe it's the same reason. Moderator gave them 2 warnings.

1st was because of a misunderstanding of Tamir asking to close the thread.
2nd is because something with ads and payments.. I didn't really get it.
Anyway, its very sad the thread is closed. I really hope it will be re-opened soon.

I miss this thing... So the whole phoenix rom thread is now locked ? And how long ? Is there any chanche to re-open or end of story?

Chris189 said:
I miss this thing... So the whole phoenix rom thread is now locked ? And how long ? Is there any chanche to re-open or end of story?
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For now the thread is closed.
I don't know any details about opening it (and definitely no ETA).

Thread is reopened.

Want To Post In Development?

This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
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**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.​
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.​
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go! ​

Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:

This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
:good: :good:

d'oh said:
Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765

mikef said:
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.

Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
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Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there

McFex said:
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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KidCarter93 said:
I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs

What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
KidCarter93 said:
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Deadly said:
Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator

thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......

Notes taken :good:

I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?

MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid

eloquent said:
hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
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^ This ^
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.