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I've had my AT&T SG3 for a few months now, and I rooted it right away and had a lot of fun "getting to know" Android (former iOS user). I constantly read these forums and found it daunting to decide whether to flash a custom ROM and which one. Finally, I bit the bullet. I did all the things I was supposed to... nandroid backup, titanium backup, clear cache, factory reset, flash, reboot, restore/reinstall individual apps & data.
I use my phone; it's not a toy, and I don't have more than one; so I was a bit nervous about it and took all the precautions. But, let me tell you that the CM10 ROM (cm-10-20120911-EXPERIMENTAL-d2att-M1) I installed blew my mind on what a positive difference it made. The phone is super fast, and various problems I had with the stock ROM (that came with the phone) has mysteriously gone away. I also feel liberated, because I did not realize how many features of the phone and OS were being "turned off" by the carrier and/or device manufacturer so as not to compete with their own apps/features.
I do realize this is still an "alpha" or "experimental" ROM, but I have to say I am extremely pleased so far. Reading about the "known bugs", I was almost expecting to have to flash back to stock. However, I have to say that many of the known bugs have not shown up on my device/carrier.
Here are the list of issues I had to overcome:
- ** The external SD card's file system was corrupted, but was recovered by putting the card in my windows PC and performing a chkdsk /r to repair the filesystem. Once repaired, all files were intact and I back them up to my computer, then formatted the card with GUIFormat from Ridgecrop to FAT32 with default allocation unit size. Something positive that I didn't expect was, when I used Quickformat to reformat from eFAT to FAT32, all the files were still intact. I didn't even have to recopy from the backup on my computer.
- Initially, I could not get the internet connection to work. I was connected to the network, but no internet (over carrier). I spent tons of time messing with the APN settings and trying all sorts of things. In the end, I just restored the default APNs and rebooted. So, once you go through the initial setup of the phone after flashing the ROM, you might just want to reboot once more for good measure!
- Using Titanium Backup, I restored many apps and their data, including SMS, MMS, etc. I made sure to check the option to "Migrate System Data" in hopes of making sure that the SMS/MMS data would convert and work properly from ICS to JB, and it did.
- ** The one important thing that could not be restored was the "accounts" data, so I had to re-setup my accounts and tell it what to sync for each account, default calendars, etc. This was by far the biggest inconvenience; however, I now have it setup to backup account settings to Google. I don't recall if that was available in ICS, but it is in JB; so I'm hoping that will make it much easier next time.
- Another thing was figuring out how to get Google Now assigned to a hardware button... you just go into Settings>System>Hardware keys, and the trick is to assign "voice search" to the "Menu key (long press)". I had seen all kinds of crazy workarounds and suggestions, but it's that simple.
- Once last quirk that I have NOT resolved yet, but the various system apps (Camera specifically) don't seem to save to the external SD card first and I can't find any setting to tell them to "prefer" the external SD card. If anyone knows how to to this in CM10 JB, please let me know. Not a big deal for now, because if the internal SD starts to fill up, I'll just copy to external SD.
I wish all this was documented somewhere because I spent a LOT of time dealing with these really simple quirks. Hindsight is 20/20! So, I thought I'd post to save you from sleepless hours after flashing from ICS to JB. I think "when/if" my carrier makes the the JB OTA update available, I may still stick with the CM10 ROM. I thought I'd miss various AT&T and Samsung apps like S-Voice or AT&T Hotspot, but I don't at all!
Some stock ROM quirks resolved:
- WIFI is faster and more reliable and seems to automatically switch between the two routers in my house based on signal strength!
- Carrier data is faster and signal strength appears to have improved. In the stock ICS, my phone seemed to get confused when switching back and forth from carrier data and wifi data
- The infamous audio crackling/popping/hissing is gone, and I love this Apollo player (very fast and nice UI)
- Everything about the phone is faster!
- The display/resolution seems clearer/crisper
- The auto brightness seems to work a lot better
- Account Sync and "Push" notifications seem to be much more reliable than before (maybe something to do with the WIFI/Carrier switching quirks in stock ICS)
- Can't say enough about AOSP Jelly Bean and how much better it is than Stock AT&T/Samsung ICS w/ TouchWiz
- The only stock app I miss is the Calendar! I think this is pretty "known" that the CM10 Calendar is basic.
Thanks for listening. Hopefully you'll find some useful info.
cbski9 said:
I've had my AT&T SG3 for a few months now, and I rooted it right away and had a lot of fun "getting to know" Android (former iOS user). I constantly read these forums and found it daunting to decide whether to flash a custom ROM and which one. Finally, I bit the bullet. I did all the things I was supposed to... nandroid backup, titanium backup, clear cache, factory reset, flash, reboot, restore/reinstall individual apps & data.
I use my phone; it's not a toy, and I don't have more than one; so I was a bit nervous about it and took all the precautions. But, let me tell you that the CM10 ROM (cm-10-20120911-EXPERIMENTAL-d2att-M1) I installed blew my mind on what a positive difference it made. The phone is super fast, and various problems I had with the stock ROM (that came with the phone) has mysteriously gone away. I also feel liberated, because I did not realize how many features of the phone and OS were being "turned off" by the carrier and/or device manufacturer so as not to compete with their own apps/features.
I do realize this is still an "alpha" or "experimental" ROM, but I have to say I am extremely pleased so far. Reading about the "known bugs", I was almost expecting to have to flash back to stock. However, I have to say that many of the known bugs have not shown up on my device/carrier.
Here are the list of issues I had to overcome:
- ** The external SD card's file system was corrupted, but was recovered by putting the card in my windows PC and performing a chkdsk /r to repair the filesystem. Once repaired, all files were intact and I back them up to my computer, then formatted the card with GUIFormat from Ridgecrop to FAT32 with default allocation unit size. Something positive that I didn't expect was, when I used Quickformat to reformat from eFAT to FAT32, all the files were still intact. I didn't even have to recopy from the backup on my computer.
- Initially, I could not get the internet connection to work. I was connected to the network, but no internet (over carrier). I spent tons of time messing with the APN settings and trying all sorts of things. In the end, I just restored the default APNs and rebooted. So, once you go through the initial setup of the phone after flashing the ROM, you might just want to reboot once more for good measure!
- Using Titanium Backup, I restored many apps and their data, including SMS, MMS, etc. I made sure to check the option to "Migrate System Data" in hopes of making sure that the SMS/MMS data would convert and work properly from ICS to JB, and it did.
- ** The one important thing that could not be restored was the "accounts" data, so I had to re-setup my accounts and tell it what to sync for each account, default calendars, etc. This was by far the biggest inconvenience; however, I now have it setup to backup account settings to Google. I don't recall if that was available in ICS, but it is in JB; so I'm hoping that will make it much easier next time.
- Another thing was figuring out how to get Google Now assigned to a hardware button... you just go into Settings>System>Hardware keys, and the trick is to assign "voice search" to the "Menu key (long press)". I had seen all kinds of crazy workarounds and suggestions, but it's that simple.
- Once last quirk that I have NOT resolved yet, but the various system apps (Camera specifically) don't seem to save to the external SD card first and I can't find any setting to tell them to "prefer" the external SD card. If anyone knows how to to this in CM10 JB, please let me know. Not a big deal for now, because if the internal SD starts to fill up, I'll just copy to external SD.
I wish all this was documented somewhere because I spent a LOT of time dealing with these really simple quirks. Hindsight is 20/20! So, I thought I'd post to save you from sleepless hours after flashing from ICS to JB. I think "when/if" my carrier makes the the JB OTA update available, I may still stick with the CM10 ROM. I thought I'd miss various AT&T and Samsung apps like S-Voice or AT&T Hotspot, but I don't at all!
Some stock ROM quirks resolved:
- WIFI is faster and more reliable and seems to automatically switch between the two routers in my house based on signal strength!
- Carrier data is faster and signal strength appears to have improved. In the stock ICS, my phone seemed to get confused when switching back and forth from carrier data and wifi data
- The infamous audio crackling/popping/hissing is gone, and I love this Apollo player (very fast and nice UI)
- Everything about the phone is faster!
- The display/resolution seems clearer/crisper
- The auto brightness seems to work a lot better
- Account Sync and "Push" notifications seem to be much more reliable than before (maybe something to do with the WIFI/Carrier switching quirks in stock ICS)
- Can't say enough about AOSP Jelly Bean and how much better it is than Stock AT&T/Samsung ICS w/ TouchWiz
- The only stock app I miss is the Calendar! I think this is pretty "known" that the CM10 Calendar is basic.
Thanks for listening. Hopefully you'll find some useful info.
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Hi,
Thanks for documenting your experiences. Just wondering how is the battery life so far? Is it better than the Stock ROM?
thanks
TZ
cbski9 said:
I've had my AT&T SG3 for a few months now, and I rooted it right away and had a lot of fun "getting to know" Android (former iOS user). I constantly read these forums and found it daunting to decide whether to flash a custom ROM and which one. Finally, I bit the bullet. I did all the things I was supposed to... nandroid backup, titanium backup, clear cache, factory reset, flash, reboot, restore/reinstall individual apps & data.
I use my phone; it's not a toy, and I don't have more than one; so I was a bit nervous about it and took all the precautions. But, let me tell you that the CM10 ROM (cm-10-20120911-EXPERIMENTAL-d2att-M1) I installed blew my mind on what a positive difference it made. The phone is super fast, and various problems I had with the stock ROM (that came with the phone) has mysteriously gone away. I also feel liberated, because I did not realize how many features of the phone and OS were being "turned off" by the carrier and/or device manufacturer so as not to compete with their own apps/features.
I do realize this is still an "alpha" or "experimental" ROM, but I have to say I am extremely pleased so far. Reading about the "known bugs", I was almost expecting to have to flash back to stock. However, I have to say that many of the known bugs have not shown up on my device/carrier.
Here are the list of issues I had to overcome:
- ** The external SD card's file system was corrupted, but was recovered by putting the card in my windows PC and performing a chkdsk /r to repair the filesystem. Once repaired, all files were intact and I back them up to my computer, then formatted the card with GUIFormat from Ridgecrop to FAT32 with default allocation unit size. Something positive that I didn't expect was, when I used Quickformat to reformat from eFAT to FAT32, all the files were still intact. I didn't even have to recopy from the backup on my computer.
- Initially, I could not get the internet connection to work. I was connected to the network, but no internet (over carrier). I spent tons of time messing with the APN settings and trying all sorts of things. In the end, I just restored the default APNs and rebooted. So, once you go through the initial setup of the phone after flashing the ROM, you might just want to reboot once more for good measure!
- Using Titanium Backup, I restored many apps and their data, including SMS, MMS, etc. I made sure to check the option to "Migrate System Data" in hopes of making sure that the SMS/MMS data would convert and work properly from ICS to JB, and it did.
- ** The one important thing that could not be restored was the "accounts" data, so I had to re-setup my accounts and tell it what to sync for each account, default calendars, etc. This was by far the biggest inconvenience; however, I now have it setup to backup account settings to Google. I don't recall if that was available in ICS, but it is in JB; so I'm hoping that will make it much easier next time.
- Another thing was figuring out how to get Google Now assigned to a hardware button... you just go into Settings>System>Hardware keys, and the trick is to assign "voice search" to the "Menu key (long press)". I had seen all kinds of crazy workarounds and suggestions, but it's that simple.
- Once last quirk that I have NOT resolved yet, but the various system apps (Camera specifically) don't seem to save to the external SD card first and I can't find any setting to tell them to "prefer" the external SD card. If anyone knows how to to this in CM10 JB, please let me know. Not a big deal for now, because if the internal SD starts to fill up, I'll just copy to external SD.
I wish all this was documented somewhere because I spent a LOT of time dealing with these really simple quirks. Hindsight is 20/20! So, I thought I'd post to save you from sleepless hours after flashing from ICS to JB. I think "when/if" my carrier makes the the JB OTA update available, I may still stick with the CM10 ROM. I thought I'd miss various AT&T and Samsung apps like S-Voice or AT&T Hotspot, but I don't at all!
Some stock ROM quirks resolved:
- WIFI is faster and more reliable and seems to automatically switch between the two routers in my house based on signal strength!
- Carrier data is faster and signal strength appears to have improved. In the stock ICS, my phone seemed to get confused when switching back and forth from carrier data and wifi data
- The infamous audio crackling/popping/hissing is gone, and I love this Apollo player (very fast and nice UI)
- Everything about the phone is faster!
- The display/resolution seems clearer/crisper
- The auto brightness seems to work a lot better
- Account Sync and "Push" notifications seem to be much more reliable than before (maybe something to do with the WIFI/Carrier switching quirks in stock ICS)
- Can't say enough about AOSP Jelly Bean and how much better it is than Stock AT&T/Samsung ICS w/ TouchWiz
- The only stock app I miss is the Calendar! I think this is pretty "known" that the CM10 Calendar is basic.
Thanks for listening. Hopefully you'll find some useful info.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Android where you have choices.
Welcome to android. Soon you'll be like others here and will have the files needed to root/install custom rom/install custom kernel before you even buy your phone!
If you miss some of the stock stuff you can always try some of the touchwiz based roms. They won't be like cm10 obviously but they are streamlined with a lot of the carrier/samsung crap removed.
tzones said:
Hi,
Thanks for documenting your experiences. Just wondering how is the battery life so far? Is it better than the Stock ROM?
thanks
TZ
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I am still experimenting, but so far it seems that battery life has seen an improvement. However, I must qualify that with the fact that I did not restore EVERY app on the new ROM because many apps were no longer needed. So, any improvement may not be specific to the ROM itself. However, I read a few posts where people were actually having worse battery performance; so I am very pleased that this is not the case with my installation. Sometimes I wonder if the people having sporadic issues that others are not having is more related to HOW they flash and how/if they restore various system data/settings. I pretty much wiped everything and restored very selectively with regard to system settings/data.
@ djkinetic & crash822, thanks for the welcome guys! crash822, with the stock rom I was actually using another launcher because the stock TW was so limiting, you couldn't even increase the icon grid size. The JB launcher (or at least the CM10 version) has that built-in, so it is quite nice. Thanks again for the warm welcome!
cbski9 said:
@ djkinetic & crash822, thanks for the welcome guys! crash822, with the stock rom I was actually using another launcher because the stock TW was so limiting, you couldn't even increase the icon grid size. The JB launcher (or at least the CM10 version) has that built-in, so it is quite nice. Thanks again for the warm welcome!
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I don't mean touchwiz the launcher. Touchwiz is the whole wrapping that samsung puts android into on their phones. It includes the features that the S3 came with like s-voice, some of the camera features, the eye track to keep your screen on.
Keep what I said in mind whenever you see things on these forums you might want to try that are touchwiz only when you're on CM10 which is aosp. The same can be said when you see things that are AOSP only when you're on a touchwiz rom.
I'd also like to point out that it usually takes 3 battery cycles to fully see how your battery is so don't freak out if when you flash a new rom the batter is trash. It might be trash the first day then it is great after that.
I too am loving the M1 CM10 release! Its been surprising how well everything works so far. I do have one question, the Play store says that Google Wallet is not compatible with my phone. I've considered trying to side load it and see if it would work but anyone else have any suggestions for getting this on my phone?
forwardbias said:
I too am loving the M1 CM10 release! Its been surprising how well everything works so far. I do have one question, the Play store says that Google Wallet is not compatible with my phone. I've considered trying to side load it and see if it would work but anyone else have any suggestions for getting this on my phone?
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I believe there is a cm10 workaround for google wallet in the development forum. It involves editing your build prop and using a custom wallet application.
crash822 said:
I believe there is a cm10 workaround for google wallet in the development forum. It involves editing your build prop and using a custom wallet application.
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Thanks, I will check that out.
Hello,
The vibration motor has suddenly failed on my phone. It now hardly vibrates at all and is extremely loud.
The problem seems more or less identical to this one watch?v=ZPqGD2uGG4o if you are curious.
The sound doesn't come from the speakers and I have no reason to believe it could possible be a software issue. Ie no recent installs or updates.
First thing I did was contact google. They had me boot into safemode to see if the problem persists. It does. However they now require that I reformat the phone.
This leads me to my question on how I can backup ALL app data. I have 400+ apps and it would suck to have to reset them all and or lose data.
I can sync phone contacts and such but without root I don't have a way of backing everything up.
Or is there another way to get Google to actually get me a replacement?
Thank you for your time.
If you're bootloader unlocked then root it and use Titanium backup, save it to the computer afterwards. Then unroot and factory reset as they ask. I'd probably not do that but if you have to get a new device, well then you have to. Maybe there is another way, but I've not seen it. Non root backup apps don't backup and restore your data reliably. If you are bootloader locked then I do believe you're out of luck. Pretty lousy of them to make you do that. If they just sent you a new one then you could copy from the old to the new. Maybe suggest that to them.
When you set up the new pixel using info from an old device, how much data is transferred? That may be an option.
I just went from rooted with custom ROM to full stock unrooted. All of my apps restored from the play store. I had to log into a few, but others seemed to retain app data, like Strava for instance. Google's back up seems to be getting better and better. I use SMS backup and restore for SMS/MMS because Google's backup service does not support MMS.
Well in case anyone is wondering... I bit the bullet and did the factory reset. The problem still exists of course.
Rant ahead, sorry/
There is an odd sound coming from within the device itself (not the speakers) and Google blames software? Is there some hidden second speaker inside?? It quite dumb and infuriating.
Even if there was doubt you would think running in safe mode which disables all the third party software would be enough to prove it.
It took me hours to copy everything and make sure everything was backed up. I don't blame the rep, he told me he HAD to make me do this. Honestly, I kinda wish I would have just told him I did it and it didn't work since there was no way it could have been software.
Well now a refurbished replacement is on the way. Which isn't ideal either. It has an issue that isn't too uncommon. I can find a dozen posts online about it which means there is probably hundreds of people with this problem at least. Now I have to put up with a refurbished which probably has a battery worse off as well as who knows what else.
This whole phone feels rushed, to be honest, and I regret buying it.
I won't be buying any more google hardware unless either they change in the future or the particular device has months of reviews.
/End rant
bobby janow said:
If you're bootloader unlocked then root it and use Titanium backup, save it to the computer afterwards. Then unroot and factory reset as they ask. I'd probably not do that but if you have to get a new device, well then you have to. Maybe there is another way, but I've not seen it. Non root backup apps don't backup and restore your data reliably. If you are bootloader locked then I do believe you're out of luck. Pretty lousy of them to make you do that. If they just sent you a new one then you could copy from the old to the new. Maybe suggest that to them.
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I didn't know you could unroot and make it seem like it didn't happen. This is what I should have done. Thanks for the suggestion.
"If they just sent you a new one then you could copy from the old to the new. Maybe suggest that to them" I suggested this to them several times. One guy told me he wasn't allowed to even rma it until I reformat despite there being no way its a hardware issue.
mlin said:
When you set up the new pixel using info from an old device, how much data is transferred? That may be an option.
I just went from rooted with custom ROM to full stock unrooted. All of my apps restored from the play store. I had to log into a few, but others seemed to retain app data, like Strava for instance. Google's back up seems to be getting better and better. I use SMS backup and restore for SMS/MMS because Google's backup service does not support MMS.
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If I had the replacement phone up front then transfering is easy. Google even has a built in mechanism, but google wouldn't RMA it and have one sent out until AFTER resetting it. A lot of data is synced but my 400+ apps, none of them seem to sync via the backup and restore feature. I also have 80+gbs of other files beside pictures. I bought the 128gb for a reason... Thanks for the suggestion.
I have no idea what happened. I was cleaning up leaves in my yard today, went to pull my phone out to take a picture, and found that it had factory reset itself in my pocket, and wiped my SD card along with it. I have a lot of my stuff backed up, but there is a lot that's not backed up as well. I'm really hoping there is a way to get my data back -- is there?
A quick search on Google for recovery applications gives many options, but they all need root access, and I don't think that's possible on the Snapdragon.
I'm currently running a scan on my SD card outside of my phone with an application called MiniTool. No idea if this will yield results or not.
Any suggestions?
Theres an app called galaxy labs but dont think that would be much use I think what would have happened was phone in pocket pin got accidentally typed 10 times to then cause the factory reset you could try the samsung and google route to restore but might not have everything
Ugh. Bummer, for real. My heart is broken.
Is there a way to disable the 10 attempts thing? I've noticed that this phone unlocks itself and hits buttons quite often. I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.
It's also possible that someone hacked your google or Samsung account and wiped your device remotely...
Not probable but I'd definitely be resetting passwords...
Just a thought...
nomaxtech said:
Ugh. Bummer, for real. My heart is broken.
Is there a way to disable the 10 attempts thing? I've noticed that this phone unlocks itself and hits buttons quite often. I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.
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Yes. Under secure lock settings. It's off by default actually normally.
If your sd card wasn't encrypted you have a chance of finding those files. Just make sure you keep it out of the phone and don't write anything on it until you have been able to use a file eraser app to find them. I've done it before myself.
That sucks man, if you had encrypt the card then i don't think data recovery will help. Well here's to hoping you didn't.
Losing data sucks especially if it's years worth....I've been there. I had an old tool I used back in the day I'll try to find it again man that thing did wonders recovering images but videos not so much, did recover a good amount though.
Also, don't go downloading any and all data recovery tool on the internet....lots are bogus.
Can anyone tell me details of what can be transferred from an old phone to a new P6P using the provided quick switch adapter? Can it transfer all apps and their data or only the ones with Google backup capability?
Thanks in advance!
The "ordinary" transfer won't restore your app settings, like your passwords/logins/in-app data.
Google One Backup is supposed to do that, even though it never worked for me. In the end I had to use swiftbackup whilst having root to have a decent backup/transfer experience.
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There is some sort of auto-login system that some apps support, so Google logs you in automatically into the app once you first open them after transfering all your stuff, but that has nothing to do with the transfer/backup. Sadly, only very few apps support that.
Morgrain said:
The "ordinary" transfer won't restore your app settings, like your passwords/logins/in-app data.
Google One Backup is supposed to do that, even though it never worked for me. In the end I had to use swiftbackup whilst having root to have a decent backup/transfer experience.
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There is some sort of auto-login system that some apps support, so Google logs you in automatically into the app once you first open them after transfering all your stuff, but that has nothing to do with the transfer/backup. Sadly, only very few apps support that.
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Thank you, that's what I was afraid of. I can't believe that Google doesn't want to create a proper backup or transfer solution. So bad. I guess SwiftBackup it is...
mko000 said:
Can anyone tell me details of what can be transferred from an old phone to a new P6P using the provided quick switch adapter? Can it transfer all apps and their data or only the ones with Google backup capability?
Thanks in advance!
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Been into android since the T-Mobile G1 days and I'm a firm believer in setting up a new phone from scratch. Did my wifes from her OnePlus 7 Pro and the screen would freeze every 4-6 hors. Did a FDR and it's been running great for the last 3 days. Your always going to get bits and pieces from the last OS that don't belong on your new OS when transferring from another phone.
ggrant3876 said:
Been into android since the T-Mobile G1 days and I'm a firm believer in setting up a new phone from scratch. Did my wifes from her OnePlus 7 Pro and the screen would freeze every 4-6 hors. Did a FDR and it's been running great for the last 3 days. Your always going to get bits and pieces from the last OS that don't belong on your new OS when transferring from another phone.
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This makes more and more sense now a days!
Google wants to sell the cloud as much as possible. I restore GoogleOne backups from the cloud and I'm usually satisfied with the results.
I used to start from scratch but I stopped at some point several years ago. I just want my phone to work the way I'm used to. I don't use the stock launcher anyway, I use Nova Launcher Prime. Later on, I integrate elements from the new Android version and widgets/capabilities into my current Nova setup.
I never used the quick switch adapter and Google's transfer tool. I always root my phone and use Titanium Backup to restore my apps. Although, on Android 12, I think I'm gonna go for Swift Backup which I've heard good things about!
I'm still using my 4 XL for now, not sure if I want to jump on the 6 Pro with an unofficial alpha version of Magisk :/
Ghisy said:
I never used the quick switch adapter and Google's transfer tool. I always root my phone and use Titanium Backup to restore my apps. Although, on Android 12, I think I'm gonna go for Swift Backup which I've heard good things about!
I'm still using my 4 XL for now, not sure if I want to jump on the 6 Pro with an unofficial alpha version of Magisk :/
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I'd advise you to wait at least for the first or second rollout of bug fixes if you are keen on root, as of now there are a lot of software quirks that might be firmware related; if you root now, upgrading to the next monthly update might be a nightmare. As far as I can see right now, every successful root requires a full factory reset (not the bootloader unlock reset!). And every "update" will aswell (maybe the community will find a way around that, but we don't know right now).
ggrant3876 said:
Been into android since the T-Mobile G1 days and I'm a firm believer in setting up a new phone from scratch. Did my wifes from her OnePlus 7 Pro and the screen would freeze every 4-6 hors. Did a FDR and it's been running great for the last 3 days. Your always going to get bits and pieces from the last OS that don't belong on your new OS when transferring from another phone.
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100% on board with this. Whenever I clean flash (new phone or new OS update) I start from scratch. Download or sideload all my apps anew. Takes several hours to set up but well worth it in the long run.
Morgrain said:
I'd advise you to wait at least for the first or second rollout of bug fixes if you are keen on root, as of now there are a lot of software quirks that might be firmware related; if you root now, upgrading to the next monthly update might be a nightmare. As far as I can see right now, every successful root requires a full factory reset (not the bootloader unlock reset!). And every "update" will aswell (maybe the community will find a way around that, but we don't know right now).
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Yeah, I've been reading as much as I can about root and it's not super fun right now. It remains to be seen if we can update monthly without wiping. Otherwise, that would be a MAJOR pita.
I'm gonna be traveling in about 2 weeks and I was hoping to bring my 6 Pro with me. My 4 XL is perfectly fine but not sure the battery will last while traveling. We'll see.
So I posted about this previously but here's more info and a clearer summary
The Issue:
Phone randomly reboots about an average of once per day. Screen freezes, goes black, comes back on for 3 seconds still frozen, then proceeds to reboot. I've kept track and 100% of of the time this seems to happen when I'm typing. Initially I thought it was Textra, but it has happened in Snapchat, and Twitch whenever the google keyboard is up. Google sent a replacement phone and the issues persists, and I find it hard to believe that both phone would have the exact same hardware issue. Furthermore it very much seems like a software issue considering it ONLY happens when the google keyboard is up.
My hope is that someone might have encountered this and has a simple solution although I doubt it. Unfortunately since I don't have another phone, I have to wait to obtain one before I do a safe mode test. And even if I do it's not realistic for me to test it that way because I'd have to spend hours typing away just to try to get the issue to occur (since it's not frequent like every 5 minutes).
I'm suspecting some data or a setting is getting transferred over from my previous backup that's affecting google keyboard or something of the sort. My next step will be a factory reset, and then reinstalling everything bit by bit manually. Of course I have to link my google account, but I won't have it automatically restore the backup. If that doesn't help then I'm at a loss. At that point I'd probably pick up a cheap Pixel 2XL as my daily, and use my P6Pro in safe mode as much as I can to try to trigger the issue I guess?
The Phone:
Pixel 6 Pro
Not Rooted
November 5 Update
Set up done using my google account to restore all apps and settings, not cable
Remind me since I don't recall if it was brought up in your other thread about the issue, did you try Official Google Android Flash Tool yet?
Agree with edor, Android flash tool, flash both slots, start all over
roirraW edor ehT said:
Remind me since I don't recall if it was brought up in your other thread about the issue, did you try Official Google Android Flash Tool yet?
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I have not tried this. What would this be used for?
ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
Agree with edor, Android flash tool, flash both slots, start all over
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Not sure what that means sorry, can you elaborate?
MarkAnthony121 said:
I have not tried this. What would this be used for?
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To wipe the phone and start back fresh.
MarkAnthony121 said:
Not sure what that means sorry, can you elaborate?
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Just that. To start back fully fresh. Then if you do that take my advice from the other thread, don't restore backups from Google or anywhere, and initially only install your most critical apps. Once you determine you're not having the problem, install some more. Verify, repeat.
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Agree with edor, Android flash tool, flash both slots, start all over
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Not sure what that means sorry, can you elaborate?
roirraW edor ehT said:
To wipe the phone and start back fresh.
Just that. To start back fully fresh. Then if you do that take my advice from the other thread, don't restore backups from Google or anywhere, and initially only install your most critical apps. Once you determine you're not having the problem, install some more. Verify, repeat.
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Yes but I don't understand what "flash both slots" means. And wouldn't I get the same result by simply doing a factory reset and then proceeding with the method of installing everything manually and not from a backup? Why use the google flash tool vs factory reset?
MarkAnthony121 said:
Not sure what that means sorry, can you elaborate?
Yes but I don't understand what "flash both slots" means. And wouldn't I get the same result by simply doing a factory reset and then proceeding with the method of installing everything manually and not from a backup? Why use the google flash tool vs factory reset?
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At this point, that's more information than you really need to know to try to fix your phone. I don't want to overcomplicate things. You can look at Google search results for "Pixel flash both slots" if you really want to go down that road right now.
Spoiler: Some of the details you're asking for, but you don't need right now
In short, starting with the Pixel 1 in 2016, they have two copies of almost everything (except only one copy of user data). On a Pixel, and another phone that employs dual slots, when you receive an OTA update, it updates the copy of Android that you're not currently running, then reboots into the one it just updated, and once rebooted it goes ahead and updates the copy that you're no longer running, so they're both now updated.
Not all OEMs use the dual partition strategy, which is frustrating. When I briefly had the Note 10+ before the P6P came out, I was amazed that Samsung still hasn't adopted the method. It beats the old style OTA method that Samsung still uses to this day as far as I know where it takes 15-20 minutes or more to run the update while your phone is unable to be used at all, and then even when it boots up the next time Android has to finish the job "optimizing" your apps for the new update. Dual partitions for Android save a lot of time when updating the phone.
In some manual flashing processes, you end up with one slot with a different copy of what you have in the other slot - and you don't want that. The slots are referred to as Slot A and Slot B.
I can go further into detail but you don't really need that to fix your phone.
All you need to know right now is Official Google Android Flash Tool.
If you haven't already tried the factory reset, et cetera, which we had recommended to you at least once in the other thread, then by all means, you can try that. But if you're going to try that, you might as well just use the Official Google Android Flash Tool and ensure you are 100% stock. Official Google Android Flash Tool has fixed a good dozen or two folks' issues (I haven't been keeping count) in these forums in the past 2+ months.
So if the factory resetting doesn't solve things then you'll still have to try Official Google Android Flash Tool to be closer to sure that you tried everything that you could. We had already suggested the Factory Reset to you in the other thread. Since you created a new thread, I figured you might be looking for information you hadn't been given yet.
So the short answer is because Official Google Android Flash Tool will do an even more complete job of putting your phone back to 100% stock, with a lot less doubt than a simple factory reset. Sure, a factory reset, in theory, should get you the same thing, but there are all sorts of circumstances where a factory reset won't. Something is wrong with your phone and we don't know what it is.
There's the Factory Reset idea and then there's the Official Google Android Flash Tool idea - either coupled with the staggered manual installation of apps until you narrow down if it was a particular app causing the issue. It doesn't matter which one you choose to try first. If you try just a Factory Reset, and things still go haywire, then you'll still have to try Official Google Android Flash Tool after that. It's your choice, now pick one and go forth and hopefully reboot no more.
Also, I wasn't going to mention this but I will now. Forums generally discourage users from creating multiple threads about the same issue or posting about the same issue in multiple threads. You can always update the OP (opening/first post) if you need to, and give an update as a reply to your existing thread.
MarkAnthony121 said:
So I posted about this previously but here's more info and a clearer summary
The Issue:
Phone randomly reboots about an average of once per day. Screen freezes, goes black, comes back on for 3 seconds still frozen, then proceeds to reboot. I've kept track and 100% of of the time this seems to happen when I'm typing. Initially I thought it was Textra, but it has happened in Snapchat, and Twitch whenever the google keyboard is up. Google sent a replacement phone and the issues persists, and I find it hard to believe that both phone would have the exact same hardware issue. Furthermore it very much seems like a software issue considering it ONLY happens when the google keyboard is up.
My hope is that someone might have encountered this and has a simple solution although I doubt it. Unfortunately since I don't have another phone, I have to wait to obtain one before I do a safe mode test. And even if I do it's not realistic for me to test it that way because I'd have to spend hours typing away just to try to get the issue to occur (since it's not frequent like every 5 minutes).
I'm suspecting some data or a setting is getting transferred over from my previous backup that's affecting google keyboard or something of the sort. My next step will be a factory reset, and then reinstalling everything bit by bit manually. Of course I have to link my google account, but I won't have it automatically restore the backup. If that doesn't help then I'm at a loss. At that point I'd probably pick up a cheap Pixel 2XL as my daily, and use my P6Pro in safe mode as much as I can to try to trigger the issue I guess?
The Phone:
Pixel 6 Pro
Not Rooted
November 5 Update
Set up done using my google account to restore all apps and settings, not cable
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I've heard of freezing problems from others related to gboard. This would indeed appear to be a software flaw. I've never really used gboard since the first step for me was google-free AOSP, then put in my sim card and start using it (I don't like spyware).
Simplest solution for you would likely be to try a different soft keyboard. Personally, I would suggest finding one on f-droid rather than play store because open source.
For what it's worth, I've been using GBoard for 5+ years and have never had a problem.
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I've heard of freezing problems from others related to gboard. This would indeed appear to be a software flaw. I've never really used gboard since the first step for me was google-free AOSP, then put in my sim card and start using it (I don't like spyware).
Simplest solution for you would likely be to try a different soft keyboard. Personally, I would suggest finding one on f-droid rather than play store because open source.
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I used to root back in the day and use a custom ROM. If I do that there's no automatic updates right? Have to reload a new ROM for updates?
MarkAnthony121 said:
I used to root back in the day and use a custom ROM. If I do that there's no automatic updates right? Have to reload a new ROM for updates?
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Depends on the ROM. I believe GrapheneOS has OTA updates. I know some others over the years have had that, too. Certainly not most custom ROMs but some.
roirraW edor ehT said:
Depends on the ROM. I believe GrapheneOS has OTA updates. I know some others over the years have had that, too. Certainly not most custom ROMs but some.
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Thanks for all the help. (sorry for posting twice, I tried to delete the other) And I did appreciate the extra info so that I understood WHY I needed to do it this way and how it all functions. Two final questions. On modern phones like this one, does running a custom rom really improve battery/performance much? It's already pretty snappy for me, so I feel if I don't care about customizability it's probably not worth the effort for minimal reward. And second question, will the flash tool give me the option to clear both slots ?
Oh and third, is it ok to link my google account, (to get my contacts and such) as long as I'm not restoring any backups from it?
MarkAnthony121 said:
Thanks for all the help. (sorry for posting twice, I tried to delete the other) And I did appreciate the extra info so that I understood WHY I needed to do it this way and how it all functions.
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You're very welcome!
MarkAnthony121 said:
Two final questions. On modern phones like this one, does running a custom rom really improve battery/performance much?
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In my opinion, no, but the object of some ROMs (like GrapheneOS) are more geared towards very much increased security and avoidance of all the Google data-collecting that goes on with everything Google, although you can use some or most Google apps with GrapheneOS if you choose.
I've never actually tried GrapheneOS, though - I've only kept up with the two threads about them because I was curious about it. To me, starting with my first Pixel (I never owned a Nexus device), I liked stock Android way better for my purposes.
But just as for a lot of phone-related subjects, the answer to this question is very subjective. What's right for me isn't right for everyone. Everyone's needs are different. The only way of knowing for sure is to try it. You might try something and very quickly say "to heck with that, I'm going back", or you might say "oh, I like this loads better". I'm not a betting man unless something is a near 100% chance, so it's really a toss-up whether you would like a different ROM or not.
Also, how I handle my battery works great for me - but it wouldn't for everyone. I don't charge the phone until it gets down to 25%, and I try not to let it get any lower than 25%. I only charge the phone up to 75% when I can. I never charge overnight, and I never quick charge. That 50% range of battery still lasts me about 24 hours. My Pixel 1 battery is in great shape because of this habit. My wife's, on the other hand, since she didn't do this - her battery on her old Pixel 1 is relatively shot.
MarkAnthony121 said:
It's already pretty snappy for me, so I feel if I don't care about customizability it's probably not worth the effort for minimal reward.
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Sounds as if you already have made up your mind to me. I mean, that's how I feel, and I like using Google's services for the most part. I'm more a function over form person. While I don't want something downright fugly, I really don't care what things look like - only how they do what I want them to do. Yet again, "how they do what I want them to do" is very subjective. The Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ didn't do what my wife and I wanted it to do, but we were both spoiled on the Pixel 1 before that. We don't regret our choice to go back to Pixel via the 6 Pro. For others, the Samsung phones are what they need.
MarkAnthony121 said:
And second question, will the flash tool give me the option to clear both slots ?
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You don't want to "clear" both slots, you want to flash both slots. In answer to your question, I don't think you'll have a choice via the site (or offline flashing the full factory image). In other words, both slots are going to get flashed whether you like it or not. You would have to go to extra efforts to *not* flash both slots. Hence yet another reason why you don't have to worry about that aspect.
Google's official methods would never flash only one slot by default. That would be just plain idiotic of them.
Before you ask, the reason I recommend the site rather than offline flashing of the full factory image is:
It's more user-friendly.
It has solved problems when manually flashing the full factory image has not for some others with particular problems.
MarkAnthony121 said:
Oh and third, is it ok to link my google account, (to get my contacts and such) as long as I'm not restoring any backups from it?
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Yes, absolutely, although in some cases I've recommended going completely fresh and not even doing that, at least before testing long enough to see if you have the issue. You certainly could go without putting your Google account in, etc, but I don't feel that's warranted at this point. The only time I think you should do that, in this case, is if you do it the other way (with your Google account), and you still have the same problem right away (without installing any additional apps).
Just remember don't install any additional apps to start with, long enough to be sure that the problem isn't happening. I know it's a painful process - I've done this before on several devices for different reasons. Usually, the cause of issues becomes evident but it's possible it won't be completely obvious.
FYI, just putting your Google account in will, I believe, possibly still automatically restore your phone's most basic settings but I could be wrong about that. You could always try it without your account at first, use the phone in it's limited state for long enough to know there's no problem, and only then put your Google account in.