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going back...

currently with ATT and i'm available for upgrade in early July. and seriouslly considering going back to the Iphone. especially with the new iphone 4 and it's specs. unless ATT manages to pull a monkey out their **** and actually get a NICE and usable android phone. and i'm pretty sure i could talk an ATT in-store rep to get a manager to sign off on even early upgrade date. they're pretty flexible here.
i loved the Tilt 2 when i first got it...as with most users. i tried to stay away from hardSPLing and adding custom ROMs but the stock was just TOO slow and buggy. figured custom roms would help. negative...although faster and less bloated..they presented even more bugs, freeze ups, and random issues. and YES i've been through and tried out more than enough ROMs..all Task 29ing before each ROM. i've never had so many issues with previous phones. hell i've never had to reboot previous phones period.
Windows Mobile phones are just as buggy as their desktop counterparts..Windows XP, Vista, and 7.
and you Apple hating / Iphone bashing die hard WinMO and android fans..gotta admit the specs on the new iphone 4 are pretty damn impressive. i dislike the iphone OS...even as smooth as it is. but with multitasking now implemented, HD video recording, video editing right on the phone, facetime chat, an LCD display 4x better than phones out on the market now, larger battery and longer battery life, and a tougher sturdier design instead of the curvey plastic.
i know the wifey is ditching her Blackberry Curve 8900 for the new iphone when it comes out. so i'll have a chance to play with it before making a final decision. keeping my fingers crossed for a new android phone though, or get the iphone..hang on to the tilt 2 and keep an eye out on the android porting project till it's fully functional (sound, camera, battery meter...everything) on the Rhodium, and have the best of both worlds.
till than..i'm just gonna have to put up with this phone for another couple more weeks.

See ya!
My TP2 has been running a custom rom since DAY 1 without any headaches.
If iPhone is for you, go for it. Nothing wrong with it, but for my needs it
has features I would never use. I use mine for a TELEPHONE, IM, email
a photo here and there, and the weather radar. If you are into music,
heavy video and a locked down you do what we say OS, then the iPhone
is for you.

Bugger that!!!!!! I'll take the music, heavy video and an OS that's completely customisable, easy to get apps for that don't require me to use the iphone's store and a good all round phone...
There are plenty of good, free apps available for the WM OS but using Ipstore its a bloody nightmare. Especially in Oz where the data plans generally require you to give up extranneous body parts and take out a lease with the devil on your soul...

having a rhodium, BB curve and iPhone 3G myself i have to support anyone that is switching to the iPhone.
it is by far the best device on the market... and the gap gets bigger with iP4.
there are some good points in using a BB, but the OS looks/feels like 1994 and even the 3rd party software needs you to be an all out poweruser to get used to it.
WinMo still needs a stylus. period. it looks ugly and is buggy as hell. almost nothing in WM 6.5 feels well designed/crafted. tbh, using it (including most 3rd party software) feels like using linux systems of the late 90's, but without most of the benefits.
well, i use my rhodium for business purposes, cause we have an all out MS-software system at work. but the day i get a chance to use an iphone at work (ie. the day they pay for one + the data plan), i'll switch.
android is without any use atm, but it has a high potential...maybe the highest of all current systems.
choosing a smartphone for me looks like this atm: iPhone >> BB >> WinMo > Andriod
choosing a work smartphone is a lil different: iPhone >> WinMo > BB (no Andriod)
i know there are a lot of different opinions, but this is my point of view and i have a lot of good arguments for every bit of it.
PS: WP7 will not run existing software (afaik) + wont run on any current device. the end of the WinMo platform... welcome andriod!

Considering RT Tablet (Vivo TF600T vs Surface)

Hey,
I'm planning to get a RT tablet and I have looked at relative comparisons of both of them.
Unfortunately there weren't many comparisons that I could find online so I decided to post here.
I also understand that the T100TA may be the better option.
So two questions (If you've owned both a reply would be greatly appreciated):
1. TF600T or Surface RT? TF600T seems to have a lot more features in my opinion and a much sturdier keyboard and build.
2. Is it even worth getting a RT? Or should I be looking straight ahead to 8.1 tablets now?
I'll be using this tablet mainly for school, but if I can run windows apps and what not that would be awesome too.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Edit: I forgot to mention i'll most likely be buying locally but BNIB. I'm looking at ~260 for dock+tablet for vivo and ~320 for surface and keyboard.

It really depends what you want from the tablet/TF.
Windows RT isn't flourishing with apps right now so an actual full Windows Tab, Android or an iPad may be a better option.
That being said, I like my surface.
It's a really nice tablet that works well.
Office 2013 beats any other office app on any other device.

260 whats? US Dollars, british pounds, euros, human rights violations?
Honestly, I would just look towards the T100. Full windows 8.1 at that price cant be argued with.

Owned Both and...
Returned the ASUS T100. Good concept by ASUS but poor execution and very poor quality build. I exchanged it for a Surface 2 with touch keyboard.
There really are light years difference in the MS build quality over the ASUS and from personal experience with other ASUS devices their tech service/support sucks.
The screen on the Surface is 1080P versus 720P for ASUS and I was very concerned with the ASUS charging port - it's very flimsy and I was worried that over time it would break (I saw from a internal picture that it's just soldered to the motherboard like many other cheap tablets)- compare that to the very sturdy magnetic connector on the Surface.
Surface 2 with Office 2013 is most of what I need. Certainly there will be apps missing but if you really analyze what you need vs. what is "nice to have" RT isn't so crippled at all.
And by its very nature its mostly malware and virus free.
Also, I think that some of the experts in this forum will ultimately develop a way to sideload third-party apps just like they did for RT 8.0 - just a matter of time.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
260 whats? US Dollars, british pounds, euros, human rights violations?
Honestly, I would just look towards the T100. Full windows 8.1 at that price cant be argued with.
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Canadian Dollars, apologies for not mentioning that.
Personally I wouldn't have minded getting the surface if I didn't miss out on that $199 deal back in December. Big loss on my part lol.
I've opened up a TF300T before to replace my LCD and while not impossible, was quite difficult because I did not have a heat gun. I also remember the charging port being soldered onto the motherboard so I understand what you mean.
I might take my chances with the Vivo, there's someone whose willing to sell me one brand new with a new keyboard for $200 (CDN). Do you think at that price point I should get the vivo or should I still purchase for the surface? If I do get the surface, it will ultimately be Surface RT not 2...because it's nowhere to be found and I need one asap. The surface will likely be about $100 more not including the keyboard.
Like you i'm always concerned about build quality, I don't want it to break and have it feel like I wasted a big chunk of money on soon-to-be garbage. So, if you tell me that the Vivo Tab to you felt this way, I probably won't get it! I'll trust an XDA member's opinion over a youtube video any day haha.
Thanks again!

I'd always prefer the Vivo Tab TF600T, it has a much better and brighter screen, has a real keyboard like a notebook and in generell feels really great. It's the perfect device on the go. Also i don't like the stand of the Surface so much. While it's great on a table, it's not so great in the train, on your lap etc. In terms of performance both devices aren't the fastes but for my expectations they are fast enough.
In terms of apps it really depends, but my experience with RT is much better than with Windows 8. All Windows RT devices get firmware updates (a.k.a. drivers) with windows update. With Windows 8 tablets, you have manually download & install them. Also some apps (like Uno Friends) don't work on certain Windows 8 devices like (Samsung Ativ Tab 5 / Thinkpad Tablet 2) but work great on the Vivo Tab RT / Surface. On the top of it you don't have to worry about viruses.

iPhone user looking for a secondary device (OnePlus 3 maybe?)

Hey everyone. I haven't used an Android device in several years and I'm thinking of getting an Android phone now to go along with my iPhone 6s Plus. I've always been a tech geek and for a while I've been wanting to be able to switch between iOS and Android. Has anyone here gone from the iPhone to the OnePlus 3? How has your experience been?
I'm looking for the OnePlus 3 because it seems like the cheapest device with very little bloatware. I'm not too familiar with Oxygen OS, how different is it from the stock Android build?
Any help is appreciated.

Frnicatr said:
Hey everyone. I haven't used an Android device in several years and I'm thinking of getting an Android phone now to go along with my iPhone 6s Plus. I've always been a tech geek and for a while I've been wanting to be able to switch between iOS and Android. Has anyone here gone from the iPhone to the OnePlus 3? How has your experience been?
I'm looking for the OnePlus 3 because it seems like the cheapest device with very little bloatware. I'm not too familiar with Oxygen OS, how different is it from the stock Android build?
Any help is appreciated.
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It is stock with minimalistic added features by Op, to blend in enough without making it feel out of place. Basically, Stock Android with pleasant features It will give you the best stock build experience, compare to everything out there...plus it got a nice price.

OP3 is best phone if you're looking for a secondary phone (best even for primary use). You'll get power packed performance and looks for half the price of other flagships
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

I sold my iphone6 for a OP3 and have never had android before.
The bad:
1. Snapchat is **** without custom rom
2. Its bigger than im used to.
3 its not as smooth(See further down) as ios
4. I lost imessage and facetime
5. Android takes time to tweak (i find it fun)
6. Its slippery af without a case
7. Games are better on ios, no question.
The Good:
1. Its crazyfast. Yeah it stutters sometimes (Read once a Day) but the reason ios doesnt stutter is because the animationtime is 10 seconds Long for each animation which ofc is achievable on op3 aswell.
2. I can send sms from my computer now.
3. I can configure and achieve almost anything i want to achieve.
4. I wanted lesser clicks on my iphone to do my tasks, it has done that for Me af.
5. The camera is insane. Everyone i talk with comment that my photos look splendid.
6. Dash charging. Example: get home from work: 15%, charge 15 min, = 40%
7: front cam is also a blåst
8. Root with warranty intact.
9. Possibility to use an equalizer for sound.
10. Price.
11. Quality
12. Xda op3-community
Thats what i can think of now..
Imessage was hard at first but i just turned to whatsapp and fb messenger(which takes sms aswell in the App)

Thoughts on the Pixel Slate?

Looking at the Pixel Slate, it seems to me like it's what the Pixel C should have been. The Pixel C seems to have been released as a Surface Pro competitor. However, two key strengths of the Surface Pro were the desktop operating system and pen support. These are both things the Pixel C doesn't have. The Pixel Slate, by contrast, rocks an x86 processor and Chrome OS with Linux app support. As well, it is compatible with the Chromebook Pen. It seems Google has, shockingly, learned something from their mistakes on the Pixel C. Apple could take a hint from this with their iPad Pro, per the OS.
The one area I see as not as good is the keyboard. While backlighting is nice, I feel the hinge design on the Pixel C was absolute gold! I realize they needed room for the touchpad, but the design of the Pixel Slate's keyboard just seems so lame in comparison. It's the usual folding cover trick. If I can't stick my tablet to a fridge, then what's the point?
For me personally, I got my Pixel C knowing full well of its shortcomings. I never intended to use it like a Surface Pro, but instead wanted something to use more like I used to my Nexus 10. I specifically wanted an Android tablet, and for that the Pixel C has been amazing! So I really have no regrets there. But ever since the Pixel C came out, I always remember thinking that, for what it's supposed to be, it really missed the mark. It's cool to see that Google has taken a lesson from that. Had the Pixel Slate come out when the Pixel C did, I think it'd've done really well. Nowadays, we'll have to see. Onenote for Android still is lacking some features. (Although a working equation editor exists, you just can't insert new equations.) That's still a major strength for both the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro.

Bummer its x86. A port of this would be a dream come true

do you think is even possible to bring chrome os to pixel C now that the pixel slate will be released?

alexjzim said:
Bummer its x86. A port of this would be a dream come true
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I heard of people claiming there is a lot of lag with the slate
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Is the slate capable of rooting phones, and running ADB commands?

it is the first tablet that has several processor options. the i7 is ~$1,800. welcome to the really big leagues. do ipads even get to that price point? how does the most expensive ipad compare to the most expensive slate? this crap is for millionaires and i'm not one of them. i noticed google is pushing payment plans to supposedly allow people who can't pay full price up front to go into debt to own one. how nice. google is dead as far as offering affordable devices. and this is even before we learn about what the problems are. i would be willing to bet that there will be issues on some models that are not on others. maybe the 600 buck one turns out to be a real pain the the ass while the $1,800 i7 runs rather well. socio-economic class distinctions across one device. i remember when the pixel c came they had to offer 200 or 300 buck discounts to get more devs to buy in so there would be apps built for it. maybe early next year after all the initial bumblefrack gets known they start offering the cheap model for 400 bucks or less and the i7 for 1100. once again turning the early bird adopters into early bird suckers. whatever, i learned back in the pixel c days to wait for the 2nd or 3rd revision of the device so the early bugs are worked out and hopefully a lower discounted price. but anyone who wants to jump right in be my guest because we all end up learning from your mistake.

honestly chrome OS is prety much garbage. Im a long time android user, own a pixel c. My girl got me the slate for an xmas gift, I got her the new ipad pro 12". I thought chrome OS was just a learning curve thing but it is just complete trash. most of the apps for android DONT work right, regardless what google claims, the soft typing on this thing is the worst I have ever used on ANYTHING. Its constantly correcting words wrong, it corrects words that dont need to be corrected because it just feels like it and when YOU correct the word it just ignores you and does whatever it wants. The swyping is AWFUL. 90% of the time it never makes a space between the words, it doesnt know what youre swyping and just types what it wants. Its insert function is horrid. You realize it made a mistake so you go back to delete something a few words back and it just gives you the hardest time. I want to get around to making a video for it but I dont want my girl to feel bad watching me trash this thing. I try to use it and enjoy it when were surfing in bed but she cant help but see me getting frustrated.
If I could remove chrome OS and just put android in it, I would be SO happy.

The modern Pixel Slate is FAR better than it was at release or even months later.

Question Pixel Fold ROM on Galaxy Z Fold 4

I have been a Nexus/Pixel guy since Nexus 1 all the way to Pixel 6 pro. I got an amazing deal on the Galaxy Fold 4 around 6 months ago and bit the bullet. I love the hardware. Beautiful build and screens both outside and inside. I am happy with the battery life too. But I definitely miss the vanilla Android on the Pixels. Some of the decisions by Samsung are head scratching. And I hate that I have two apps for everything (messages, calender etc. Some of the Samsung apps cannot be disabled). I am running a Pixel launcher and it works fine but now that Google has their own foldable, have any of the smart people here figured out/planning to port the Pixel Fold ROM onto a Galaxy Z Fold. Please tell me that's possible? That would make this already great phone a perfect phone.
TIA

Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Well...
The problem is, Google uses only slightly modified AOSP for their devices; device specific info is on a separate /product partition. This helps with fragmentation because they can push the same system image to devices in service, and they don't have to rebuild the firmware for each one.
Samsung on the other hand doesn't really do this. They use heavily modified Android with a lot of Samsung specific stuff to drive all their features. Very little is shared between devices as far as firmware goes. It's one thing to port AOSP over to a Samsung device when that device has only one screen; it's another entirely when it's a foldable device with 2 screens. Successfully porting the Pixel Fold build onto the Z Fold would require reverse engineering Samsung's firmware...which is proprietary, and would likely be getting into copyright infringement territory.

Thanks for that technical reply. I still keep the Pixel 6 pro around as back up and whenever I use it, I wonder why Samsung and other manufacturers spend so much time skinning their OS just to worsen the experience.
I also now understand why iPhone users rage when they switch to Android. Switching from one form of Android to another form made me go crazy for the first couple of weeks where I considered sending back the device several times.

paragordius1 said:
Thanks for that technical reply. I still keep the Pixel 6 pro around as back up and whenever I use it, I wonder why Samsung and other manufacturers spend so much time skinning their OS just to worsen the experience.
I also now understand why iPhone users rage when they switch to Android. Switching from one form of Android to another form made me go crazy for the first couple of weeks where I considered sending back the device several times.
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Each manufacturer wants to present a "unique experience" with Android. This is why they skin them with their own versions of bloatware.
Otherwise they'd ALL be Pixel clones with different hardware.
As much as you might want a constant experience one Android phone to another, this just isn't going to happen. This is one of the great things (and drawbacks) of Android...

Which pixel launcher do you use that works well on the fold 4?

paragordius1 said:
I have been a Nexus/Pixel guy since Nexus 1 all the way to Pixel 6 pro. I got an amazing deal on the Galaxy Fold 4 around 6 months ago and bit the bullet. I love the hardware. Beautiful build and screens both outside and inside. I am happy with the battery life too. But I definitely miss the vanilla Android on the Pixels. Some of the decisions by Samsung are head scratching. And I hate that I have two apps for everything (messages, calender etc. Some of the Samsung apps cannot be disabled). I am running a Pixel launcher and it works fine but now that Google has their own foldable, have any of the smart people here figured out/planning to port the Pixel Fold ROM onto a Galaxy Z Fold. Please tell me that's possible? That would make this already great phone a perfect phone.
TIA
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Care to share some screenshots of your pixel launcher and the name? I'm intrigued.