Hi, I have a LG G7, and I heard in some forum that in previous Lg phones (G6 and V30), plugging a high impedance headset/headphone will trigger the high impedance mode. I have a B&O play h3 , which is a low impedance headset obviously. Is the phone works fine with this headset? and how to enable the high impedance mode?
Those earphones should only have 18 Ohms of impedance which is pretty low so I don't understand why you would need the high impedance mode. Are you planning on using different earphones or headsets with higher impedance? If not that mode, if it exists on the G7, is worthless to you.
I mean will the sound be the same when using low impedance headsets?
Svenskaz32 said:
I mean will the sound be the same when using low impedance headsets?
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Impedance isn't an indication on how good headphone or earphones will sound, some have a high impedance and some have a really low one. Usually headphone with a really low impedance cost more because you don't need an external amp to drive them but that's it.
Your earphones are low impedance ones and they will never trigger the high impedance mode, if there is one at all.
It's not something that you can choose, you need to use the correct mode for your headphones or earphones in order to listen without distortions or without the volume being too low.
Sadly all my headphones are low impedance so I can't try to see if the DAC has this specific mode.
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LG G4 / H811
Any way to make the headphone output 10-20% louder?
It's a good output. I find the quality of the sound better than my previous phone(s) but I do want it a tad louder.
I feel like LG is playing the 'Nanny State' with its pop-up warning concerning hearing damage from long-term loud usage.
I was able to make it louder by downloading Equalizer FX from the play store and then turning the loudness setting all the way up. Also if you get high quality headphones with low ohm rating it'll be significantly louder as well.
Thanks. I am using IM70 IEMs by Audio Technica. Pretty decent quality. They were louder on my old Galaxy Nexus.
As I await my G4 in the mail today from FedEx, I am sad to read this. The Phone Arena review rated the output power of the headphone jack pretty high (higher than most Android phones, sans the M8, M9, etc.). I was hoping this would have higher volume than my S6. Since I got the Verizon variant, I'm sure Viper4Android is a ways off, but you may want to start there. Since you have the T-Mobile version, maybe there is root and then you can install the V4A audio mod. I hear it does wonders for headphone volume.
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I want to buy a Seinhaiser CX 3.0 or maybe another model that have 18 or 32 ohm impedance. What's wrong with this? Is There any problem for matching m8 or every android phones with these earphones (upper than 16 ohm)? Thanks
You should not have any problem at all.
I'm using AKG K518, which are 32 ohm and they are loud enough and work flawlessly.
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I want to buy a Seinhaiser CX 3.0 or maybe another model that have 18 or 32 ohm impedance. What's wrong with this? Is There any problem for matching m8 or every android phones with these earphones (upper than 16 ohm)? Thanks
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I use Bose headphones that are 32 Ohms as well. They sound great.
That`s actually a pretty low impedance, things generally get more complicated over 100ohms which is why most portable gear is 8- 50ohms. So pretty much any inner ear earphone will be ok for smartphone use, but if the impedance is too low, the sound will be more affected by the output impedance of the source/phone, as with the sony xba-4`s. Rule of the thumb is to have 4x the impedance of the output impedance of your source, the M8 outputs around 2ohms which is well below that of those earphones.
I am not a audiophile, by any means at all.
On multiple occassions I have seen comments about the Moto Z Play DAC and how about it is actually decent to good.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? For curiousity's sake really.
It does the job is all i can say.
coolkingler1 said:
I am not a audiophile, by any means at all.
On multiple occassions I have seen comments about the Moto Z Play DAC and how about it is actually decent to good.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? For curiousity's sake really.
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AFAIK DAC is part of SoC and Qualcomm always produced good ones.
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coolkingler1 said:
I am not a audiophile, by any means at all.
On multiple occassions I have seen comments about the Moto Z Play DAC and how about it is actually decent to good.
Can anyone confirm or deny this? For curiousity's sake really.
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I am one.
It is good. See https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/themes/music-players-one-standout-dac-to-192k-t3533577
Audiophiles are a group comprising about .1% of male population. Search for Medical Research ~ 2001, male hearing anomaly/acuity
Audio output is pretty average overall. DAC seems to be fairly accurate (it's just Qualcomm's standard offering, not a discreet DAC like the V10/V20 or Axon 7 have), but there's audible interference from the cell radio and other components with sensitive in-ears and output power is unremarkable
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Output is adequate if you use a low impedance, high efficiency bud. The Apple earpod is not as bad as most reviewers pan it to be. I keep it upside-down and fitted tightly in ear canel.
I have even carved out the plastic to let the bass reflex ports pass while tightly fitted (lol we can't messing to improve audio!)
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Output is adequate if you use a low impedance, high efficiency bud. The Apple earpod is not as bad as most reviewers pan it to be. I keep it upside-down and fitted tightly in ear canel.
I have even carved out the plastic to let the bass reflex ports pass while tightly fitted (lol we can't messing to improve audio!)
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The Apple Earpod is probably a good choice because it's actually not very low impedance for an earphone (it's 45 ohms), but it is fairly sensitive (109 dB), so it's in a nice middle zone. You get a sensitive in-ear that's 32 ohms or even 16 ohms and you will start to hear the noise floor, interference and some distortion on the Z Play's headphone output. It's not bad for a phone by any means, but it's not especially good either.
I used an external DAC with the Z Play for a while (Fiio E18), but even that would pick up some noise from the call radio if I didn't have it in airplane mode (which I couldn't do all the time). I finally had to get a separate audio player to get the sound quality I wanted.
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The Apple Earpod is probably a good choice because it's actually not very low impedance for an earphone (it's 45 ohms), but it is fairly sensitive (109 dB), so it's in a nice middle zone. You get a sensitive in-ear that's 32 ohms or even 16 ohms and you will start to hear the noise floor, interference and some distortion on the Z Play's headphone output. It's not bad for a phone by any means, but it's not especially good either.
I used an external DAC with the Z Play for a while (Fiio E18), but even that would pick up some noise from the call radio if I didn't have it in airplane mode. I finally had to get a separate audio player to get the sound quality I wanted.
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Hmmm
Yes I do not hear any noise with these buds.
Neither do i hear any clipping.
So how is sound at very low impedance in airplane mode without a DAC? What player do you use? Have you tried UAPP without a DAC?
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Yes I do not hear any noise with these buds.
Neither do i hear any clipping.
So how is sound at very low impedance in airplane mode without a DAC? What player do you use? Have you tried UAPP without a DAC?
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I did try UAPP. It's very listenable in airplane mode, some system noise (processor maybe?) but the cell radio is the biggest culprit so airplane mode helps. Compared to the V10 or the Pioneer XDP-100R (which is the DAP I bought to use at work) it does sound more compressed and congested, instrument separation isn't as good and it's not quite as clean, but the frequency response seems fairly neutral and it's better than most of the previous smartphones I've had (the Oneplus One especially was pretty bad for audio). Without a discrete DAC/amp like the V10 it's as good as I would reasonably expect. It also doesn't have much power, but that wasn't a big deal for me since I only intended to use it with IEMs (usually Cardas A8s).
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I did try UAPP. It's very listenable in airplane mode, some system noise (processor maybe?) but the cell radio is the biggest culprit so airplane mode helps. Compared to the V10 or the Pioneer XDP-100R (which is the DAP I bought to use at work) it does sound more compressed and congested, instrument separation isn't as good and it's not quite as clean, but the frequency response seems fairly neutral and it's better than most of the previous smartphones I've had (the Oneplus One especially was pretty bad for audio). Without a discrete DAC/amp like the V10 it's as good as I would reasonably expect. It also doesn't have much power, but that wasn't a big deal for me since I only intended to use it with IEMs (usually Cardas A8s).
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Did you see my thread in our app section
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/themes/music-players-one-standout-dac-to-192k-t3533577
Try UAP with bitrate set to variable and no DAC. Do you have some good dsfs?
But you must play from OTG... See thread
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Did you see my thread in our app section
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/themes/music-players-one-standout-dac-to-192k-t3533577
Try UAP with bitrate set to variable and no DAC. Do you have some good dsfs?
But you must play from OTG... See thread
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I'll give it a try
Coming from Lenovo p2 which has similar designs ( both are from lemoto and the headphone jack and antenna seems to be in similar position). Lenovo p2 has this annoying static noise while using in-ear headphone, yes I say in-ear headphone because it won't happen on earbuds, only iems. I guess that's because earbuds have higher impedance? It's extremely audible when playing music at low volume. Anyway back to my original question, does such issue exists on moto z play? I did some Google there seems to be people complaining about this but I want confirmation from you guys. Try listening to some music at low volume using IEM and tell me if there is any hissing noise please. Thanks in advance
Yes it does - more so if you enable the stock equalizer. It is quite obvious if you listen to audio book or speeches in low volume.
Nougat update does have minimized it. Listening to music in low volume is cleaner.
However - the sound signature thro' audio jack is excellent - deep n solid feel to it
No static on any of my IEMs at volume steps 0,1 and 2 playing through Apple Music and PowerAmp.
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Yes it does - more so if you enable the stock equalizer. It is quite obvious if you listen to audio book or speeches in low volume.
Nougat update does have minimized it. Listening to music in low volume is cleaner.
However - the sound signature thro' audio jack is excellent - deep n solid feel to it
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They really need to fix this stupid design flaw. Doesn't this bother you? I think I need to invest in a Bluetooth headphone
Mine dose this too really annoying
Yes good decision. I almost always use my jaybird X3 to do away with that irritant.
No it doesn't. I have never experienced any hissing/static with my earphone. soundmagic e50.
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No it doesn't. I have never experienced any hissing/static with my earphone. soundmagic e50.
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Yea e50 has high impedance that's why, try an earphone with lower impedance
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Yea e50 has high impedance that's why, try an earphone with lower impedance
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How low?
uberano26 said:
How low?
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It happens to my 16ohm IEM, 16ohm belongs to the majority of IEM you should be able to find one with 16ohm easily
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It happens to my 16ohm IEM, 16ohm belongs to the majority of IEM you should be able to find one with 16ohm easily
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Again no static on any of my IEMs with an Impedance range from of 16 to 32Ω. The only little static i get is when i initially plug them in.
Yes you may get hiss with low ohm headphones, use better headphones.
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Yes it does - more so if you enable the stock equalizer. It is quite obvious if you listen to audio book or speeches in low volume.
Nougat update does have minimized it. Listening to music in low volume is cleaner.
However - the sound signature thro' audio jack is excellent - deep n solid feel to it
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Hey I have a favor to ask you can you try using over ear headphone and see if there is hiss? Tell me the headphone nameif you do so
linkzex said:
Hey I have a favor to ask you can you try using over ear headphone and see if there is hiss? Tell me the headphone nameif you do so
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These are my work arounds:
1. Installed Poweramp app
2. I use Poweramp in-built equalizer
3. I don't use default equalizer while using headphones.
My headphones:
1. audio technica ath-m50x (headphones)
2. shure se 215 (in ear type)
3. jaybird X3 ( blue tooth)
If you root it (I have not rooted this moto) Arise viper4A is an excellent option.
Please note the sound signature and audio output via headphone jack is excellent. It can even drive audio technica ath-m50x, which has heavy drivers with ease. If you don't use the system equalizer, post nougat update the hiss is almost not there.
This phone is an excellent value for money. I am using it for more than 6 month. It has a heft to it but feels solid in-hand. Buttery smooth, insane battery and zero heating (except while charging). I am very happy!
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Yes you may get hiss with low ohm headphones, use better headphones.
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These are my work arounds:
1. Installed Poweramp app
2. I use Poweramp in-built equalizer
3. I don't use default equalizer while using headphones.
My headphones:
1. audio technica ath-m50x (headphones)
2. shure se 215 (in ear type)
3. jaybird X3 ( blue tooth)
If you root it (I have not rooted this moto) Arise viper4A is an excellent option.
Please note the sound signature and audio output via headphone jack is excellent. It can even drive audio technica ath-m50x, which has heavy drivers with ease. If you don't use the system equalizer, post nougat update the hiss is almost not there.
This phone is an excellent value for money. I am using it for more than 6 month. It has a heft to it but feels solid in-hand. Buttery smooth, insane battery and zero heating (except while charging). I am very happy!
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Huh why does equalizer matters... are you saying with ath m50 there is still hiss?
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Yes you may get hiss with low ohm headphones, use better headphones.
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How about with 18 ohm impedance...sennheiser urbanite on ear
I wanted to start a thread discussing the performance of the headphone jack. I'm a bit disappointed considering Sony's audiophile history with their walkmans and LDAC codec.
Yes, I'm nit picking about a $13XX dollar phone but for this price, I was expecting a bit more that just average performance.
For comparison I do have a LG V40 with it's quad dac and it powers my audio technicas perfectly fine with High-Impedance mode.
On the MK ii, I don't get the full sound with out an external dac coming into play.
I'd like to ask other MK ii owners if having just a headphone jack is enough to power your earbuds/iems/headphones.
Going to do a bit more in detail research within a couple of days but I think Sony just wanted to slap a headphone jack just to say it has one.
Ps- I'm no audiophile but having a full sound for the headphones I have is a must.
Thank you! This thread is very interesting.
I have reduced hearing and I badly need a smartphone with high-output. My LG V30 with it's QUAD-DAC has no problem giving me enough volume even on my favourite pair Hifiman HE-4xx.
I was hoping that Sony 1 mk2 was an alternative, but maybe not................ ?
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I wanted to start a thread discussing the performance of the headphone jack. I'm a bit disappointed considering Sony's audiophile history with their walkmans and LDAC codec.
Yes, I'm nit picking about a $13XX dollar phone but for this price, I was expecting a bit more that just average performance.
For comparison I do have a LG V40 with it's quad dac and it powers my audio technicas perfectly fine with High-Impedance mode.
On the MK ii, I don't get the full sound with out an external dac coming into play.
I'd like to ask other MK ii owners if having just a headphone jack is enough to power your earbuds/iems/headphones.
Going to do a bit more in detail research within a couple of days but I think Sony just wanted to slap a headphone jack just to say it has one.
Ps- I'm no audiophile but having a full sound for the headphones I have is a must.
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You may want to make the distinction between headphone jacks that can and cannot drive high impedance headphones as a headphone jack that can't can still be good as in clear, little to no distortion with good response and sound reproduction.
In this case its more like LG's has gone out of their way to include a dac that can power high impedance headphones (which is rare in the first place, in addition to the jack being rare) so if high impedance headphones usage is a top priority, then sticking to LG would be recommended.
I have a Meizu Pro usb dac which has a good reputation. The volume of the Meizu is a bit higher, but the audio quality of the Sony is equal. You just have to increase the volume 2 or 3 notches. The Sony uses the Qualcom dac and excellent Cirrus amplifier chips. I use my Beoplay H6 over the ear headphones for listening. The volume being a bit lower is no problem for me, I still can get serious hearing damage if I want to.
The audio is detailed, excellent channel separation, noise is undetectable.
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You may want to make the distinction between headphone jacks that can and cannot drive high impedance headphones as a headphone jack that can't can still be good as in clear, little to no distortion with good response and sound reproduction.
In this case its more like LG's has gone out of their way to include a dac that can power high impedance headphones (which is rare in the first place, in addition to the jack being rare) so if high impedance headphones usage is a top priority, then sticking to LG would be recommended.
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I have a Meizu Pro usb dac which has a good reputation. The volume of the Meizu is a bit higher, but the audio quality of the Sony is equal. You just have to increase the volume 2 or 3 notches. The Sony uses the Qualcom dac and excellent Cirrus amplifier chips. I use my Beoplay H4 over the ear headphones for listening. The volume being a bit lower is no problem for me, I still can get serious hearing damage if I want to.
The audio is detailed, excellent channel separation, noise is undetectable.
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Yeah LG has done the headphone jack justice, but I was expecting a bit more out of the mark 2 for it's price point.
Like hi-res audio. I get it's mainly a photography oriented product. I mean I guess I got used to only using half of the volume steps provided by the LG phones.
I just had high expectations out of Sony in the audio department. Great camera. As for the dac mentioned above, i have a couple so I'm not too worried about getting any more of them. I have a couple of headphone I can try out besides my audio technicas.
The audio capability of the phone is lacking
Bluetooth volume is pretty poor even though it's decent quality
The 3.5mm Jack absolutely doesn't have that much power to drive much more than basic iem 8 to 16 ohm level. Can't push my 150ohm cans at all
Definitely louder than the previous phones. I'm just happy that the jack is back. I did notice a difference with bluetooth vs wired on WH1000XM4. Volume was definitely louder on bluetooth, but can really notice the difference in quality despite LDAC. But that's just me.
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Yeah LG has done the headphone jack justice, but I was expecting a bit more out of the mark 2 for it's price point.
Like hi-res audio. I get it's mainly a photography oriented product. I mean I guess I got used to only using half of the volume steps provided by the LG phones.
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But it does have Hi-Res audio. Volume is a bit lower, but is also the curve of the volume control. With the LG the volume control is linear, with the Sony starts to increase real slow, until over half of the volume.
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But it does have Hi-Res audio. Volume is a bit lower, but is also the curve of the volume control. With the LG the volume control is linear, with the Sony starts to increase real slow, until over half of the volume.
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Yeah volume has to be over half way to start making decent sound. Regular buds are fine though. I have some kz iems and it's fine with those. Just higher impedance isn't for this phone.
My Beoplay H6 headphones have an impedance of 30 Ohms. They work great with the Sony. I can't compare, these are the only wired headphones I have.
The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
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The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
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Oh snap, how are the XBAs?
Currently, I'm using AKG N700nc2( using them wired )
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Oh snap, how are the XBAs?
Currently, I'm using AKG N700nc2( using them wired )
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XBA are amazing, well balanced and no extra bass like many earphones.
With an upgraded cable it's even better [emoji106]
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The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
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I think using its headphone jack to push N3AP do not working perfect, the human voice is low, the sound ‘s analysis goes bad, compare to use usb-3.5 dac line. I use IE60.
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The audio capability of the phone is lacking
Bluetooth volume is pretty poor even though it's decent quality
The 3.5mm Jack absolutely doesn't have that much power to drive much more than basic iem 8 to 16 ohm level. Can't push my 150ohm cans at all
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Poor volume, I can still get hearing damage by the levels of volume here.
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I think using its headphone jack to push N3AP do not working perfect, the human voice is low, the sound ‘s analysis goes bad, compare to use usb-3.5 dac line. I use IE60.
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I haven't tried with a dac, I will try to compare with my XA50ES
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For everyone who isn't satisfied with the performance of the headphone jack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xnext-walkman-v1-0-xperia-1ii-5-ii-t4192117
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For everyone who isn't satisfied with the performance of the headphone jack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xnext-walkman-v1-0-xperia-1ii-5-ii-t4192117
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Apologies for replying to an old threat, but what became of this? The link is now dead unfortunately. Was it an actual improvement or deleted because it was non-functional? Thanks.
Coleh said:
Apologies for replying to an old threat, but what became of this? The link is now dead unfortunately. Was it an actual improvement or deleted because it was non-functional? Thanks.
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Try to dm peter. I didn't have a chance to save this.
Sony Xperia 1 II most probably uses a Qualcomm audio codec. Can be their flagship Aqstic WCD9341, a dedicated audio chip. Only a proper tear-down will reveal the details. As I found out this audio chip contains a very good DAC section and can produce nearly 1 Vrms at headphone out when implemented in high performance mode.