I own a 5t and don't plan on buying the s9. But I'm really interested. Imo Samsung have the best hardware and google have the best software.
So in really interested to see if full treble support I'd present and if aosp roms can boot on the s9. Samsung hardware with stock android. ❤
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I own a 5t and don't plan on buying the s9. But I'm really interested. Imo Samsung have the best hardware and google have the best software.
So in really interested to see if full treble support I'd present and if aosp roms can boot on the s9. Samsung hardware with stock android. ❤
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We will know very soon
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We will know very soon
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I assume it should be possible since any phone that releases with Oreo should support Project Treble.
"Lastly, a word on something I’m sure many of you are interested in: Project Treble. Yes, the Galaxy S9/S9+ ship with Project Treble compatibility out of the box (those lucky few who get the device first can confirm this by following our guide)"
From: https://www.xda-developers.com/sams...cifications-features-prices-and-availability/
Just waiting for the first topics about bootable aosp now
sydeu said:
Just waiting for the first topics about bootable aosp now
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Not much changes... If you have a SnapDragon device, having Treble support doesn't mean it comes with an unlocked bootloader. If you have Exynos, those have had custom ROM's and unlocked bootloaders anyway.
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Not much changes... If you have a SnapDragon device, having Treble support doesn't mean it comes with an unlocked bootloader. If you have Exynos, those have had custom ROM's and unlocked bootloaders anyway.
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My exynos s8 has exactly 0 usable aosp/lineage-based ROMs. Sure there are custom roms but they are all based on samsung's software. For the s6/7 which are 2-3 year old devices there are now more or less fully working custom roms but this time we might actually get fully working custom ROMs while the phone is still relevant
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My exynos s8 has exactly 0 usable aosp/lineage-based ROMs. Sure there are custom roms but they are all based on samsung's software. For the s6/7 which are 2-3 year old devices there are now more or less fully working custom roms but this time we might actually get fully working custom ROMs while the phone is still relevant
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Project treble change everything
hope it will support aosp,
finally would be able to get a great hardware without trash samsung software !!
the real question for me is will the camera be as good with AOSP??
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the real question for me is will the camera be as good with AOSP??
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It has already been stated that it wont mean anything more then running aosp on the device. You still lose all the extras from the OEM software. Treble changes nothing in the aosp world when it comes to devices. Camera, sound, wifi ect quality will still be the same as it has always been.
Google said it won't license its play services to manufacturers shipping Oreo on their devices unless they support project treble. To support project treble, the device must be able to boot a complete stock image of AOSP, so most probably we will be able to have AOSP bootable on S9s.
However, my main concern is whether AOSP can support the unique features of the S9–the variable aperture of the camera, the 960 slow-mo, iris scanner, and so on. If it can't then we'd be losing out some features of the S9. So my main question is will we lose out on features like the variable aperture and the 960 slow-mo as well @zelendel ?
Huawei Mate 10 and Honor View 10 come with treble support and while previously there had only been limited availability of ROMs to flash for Huawei phones things have changed considerably. One can now flash AOSP, several modified versions of AOSP (such as CarbonROM) and in addition Lineage has also been ported over (including Resurrection Remix). So in theory, the s9 should be able to boot up any one of them. The main issue for these phones seems to be camera quality which suffers if using third party apps. Nevertheless, the Huawei camera app has been "copied" over and can run on some of these treble based ROMs. Volte is another unsolved issue for time being. Samsung phones have a much larger developer base so I guess many of these aspects might eventually get solved.
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If it can't then we'd be loosing out some features of the S9. So my main question is will we loose out on features like the variable aperture and the 960 slow-mo as well @zelendel ?
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Sorry for the offtopic, but you mean "lose" and not "loose".
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Sorry for the offtopic, but you mean "lose" and not "loose".
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Huawei Mate 10 and Honor View 10 come with treble support and while previously there had only been limited availability of ROMs to flash for Huawei phones things have changed considerably. One can now flash AOSP, several modified versions of AOSP (such as CarbonROM) and in addition Lineage has also been ported over (including Resurrection Remix). So in theory, the s9 should be able to boot up any one of them. The main issue for these phones seems to be camera quality which suffers if using third party apps. Nevertheless, the Huawei camera app has been "copied" over and can run on some of these treble based ROMs. Volte is another unsolved issue for time being. Samsung phones have a much larger developer base so I guess many of these aspects might eventually get solved.
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So unless we're able to port Samsung's camera app, we won't have the variable aperture and 960 slow-mo?
Even without a good camera quality, the camera will works. It's just custom rom, in a lot of phones the custom rom injury the camera quality, but to have an aosp that work like it should it's awesome, i never had a good one on s6, and generally developers take a lot of time to boot an aosp on samsung devices and some years before it works good.
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So unless we're able to port Samsung's camera app, we won't have the variable aperture and 960 slow-mo?
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Most of xda comunity are flashaolics, so for me have an aosp even with a poor camera it's not a big deal, i can return on a stock backup from recovery whenever i want or if it will be possible, a dual boot.
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Google said it won't license its play services to manufacturers shipping Oreo on their devices unless they support project treble. To support project treble, the device must be able to boot a complete stock image of AOSP, so most probably we will be able to have AOSP bootable on S9s.
However, my main concern is whether AOSP can support the unique features of the S9–the variable aperture of the camera, the 960 slow-mo, iris scanner, and so on. If it can't then we'd be losing out some features of the S9. So my main question is will we lose out on features like the variable aperture and the 960 slow-mo as well @zelendel ?
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Pretty much yes. It won't be any different then running an aosp build on any old Samsung device. Meaning you lose all of the extra features the oems built in.
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Pretty much yes. It won't be any different then running an aosp build on any old Samsung device. Meaning you lose all of the extra features the oems built in.
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Yes but it Will be Easy to make It boot
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Yes but it Will be Easy to make It boot
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Which means nothing when talking about the topic of losing features. To be honest. If I was sure I was gonna run aosp, I would jot be buying a Samsung device to do it. You pay all the extra for the features. Without them you might as well buy some budget device.
All the new features are related to camera and for example for Huawei they ported stock Huawei camera to aosp thanks to treble. It is not impossibile that it would happen for s9
Hello guys,
I want to switch from Honor 8 to Xperia XZ2 Compact, but I fear from a serious issue: the lack of custom ROM support. I haven't seen any ROMs specifically developed for the XZ2 Compact in the development thread yet, but there are always AOSP, Lineage OS, Resurrection Remix or Carbon ROM GSIs on the rescue, but I'm not sure if everything works fine. Can I install them as my daily driver OS or just stick with the factory Sony ROM to avoid issues with the OS?
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Hello guys,
I want to switch from Honor 8 to Xperia XZ2 Compact, but I fear from a serious issue: the lack of custom ROM support. I haven't seen any ROMs specifically developed for the XZ2 Compact in the development thread yet, but there are always AOSP, Lineage OS, Resurrection Remix or Carbon ROM GSIs on the rescue, but I'm not sure if everything works fine. Can I install them as my daily driver OS or just stick with the factory Sony ROM to avoid issues with the OS?
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atm you can only stay with stock, no roms for this phone yet because to root you need to unlock the bl and lose camera functionality. i used to be a flashaolic, but i like stock Sony fw and can stay with it, only miss root.. if you want custom roms and root, get another phone. or wait until someone will develop a drm fix for this phone
Maybe me
I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
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I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
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Thanks for that offer!
Without wanting to be disrespectful, but how do we know, that you really buy the device after we donate (if there are only lets say $200 at all)?
I mean, i have no problem to donate $20 (and i donated for Insert Coin Rom more than once), but usually the developers at least already had the device and were working on the rom.
And we doesn't even have a recovery...
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I'm contemplating getting one of these phones. It's a bit pricy compared to the low end devices I usually work on, lacks a headphone jack, and the camera DRM is a bit annoying. However, it's the only good small device on the market. Traditionally I've been a Motorola guy, but modern Motorola phones are just too huge for me.
Here's an offer: I will buy an XZ2 Compact and bring official LineageOS to the device if the community donates a total of $300 to me as an expression of interest and support.
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same reason why i bought this phone, is the only good one available in the market not huge like all others, can't stand them. i could donate no problem, let's see how many could be interested.. you assure you can give us some custom ROMs without lacking good working camera?
I understand your concern @old.splatterhand. I mainly just wanted to gauge how many people are seriously interested, and I’m not really in great need of the money.
Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
This is better for you because you have no risk of losing money, and you maintain an incentive for me to complete the project. This is better for me because I would not feel compelled or guilty if I fail to meet my goal for unforeseen reasons (technical or personal), and I don't want to be in a situation where I feel morally obligated to do a lot of work for not much money.
@FcukBloat Regarding camera - hopefully Sony will sort that out soon, since the camera is supposed to continue working (without fancy noise reduction) when the bootloader is unlocked. If Sony fail to live up to their own standards, we’ll see. The first step would be to just build Sony's own AOSP, and since nobody has done that yet, we don't know if AOSP camera does or does not work.
to be honest i am enjoying my new non-flashaolic life with this phone, what i really miss is just root but keeping working camera, nevertheless i promise to donate if you'll bring some development for this phone that, even if not me, some other could enjoy. I've always donated for dev work i used with my phones so it won't be a problem at all to do that also in this case even if in the end i won't use your roms
you could maybe unify the quest for this section and regular xz2 also? this would bring more willing donators i think, and shouldn't be too much additional work for you?(i think to support regular xz2 also you'd just need to make two kernels with small differences from each other?)
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Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
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Thats a fair deal! So, count on me, i'm in and donate :good:
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to be honest i am enjoying my new non-flashaolic life with this phone, what i really miss is just root but keeping working camera, nevertheless i promise to donate if you'll bring some development for this phone that, even if not me, some other could enjoy. I've always donated for dev work i used with my phones so it won't be a problem at all to do that also in this case even if in the end i won't use your roms
you could maybe unify the quest for this section and regular xz2 also? this would bring more willing donators i think, and shouldn't be too much additional work for you?(i think to support regular xz2 also you'd just need to make two kernels with small differences from each other?)
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I’d use the same kernel for both, and would probably use a commonized device tree structure (Sony already does that in their AOSP trees on GitHub). Thus, supporting the regular XZ2 shouldn’t be difficult, and it would certainly increase the number of people interested. I can’t justify buying a second high end phone myself, but I can make builds for users to test.
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Thus, supporting the regular XZ2 shouldn’t be difficult, and it would certainly increase the number of people interested.
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I'm sure thats true
I think i'll leave the 2 most interesting threads from xz2 here for people who are interested in:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...recovery-twrp-3-2-2-0-touch-recovery-t3821597
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz2/help/happen-unlock-bootloader-t3769726
for who is willing to help, why don't making a new thread about this "donators hunt" in this phone's discussion section, and then making another thread also in xz2's discussion section, linking to original one? there we could collect donators also for other xz2(c) devs like @MartinX3 @serajr etc
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for who is willing to help, why don't making a new thread about this "donators hunt" in this phone's discussion section, and then making another thread also in xz2's discussion section, linking to original one? there we could collect donators also for other xz2(c) devs like @MartinX3 @serajr etc
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That sounds like a good idea. I’m personally debating between them XZ2 compact and the (upcoming) Pixel 3. Assuming rumours are correct and the Pixel 3 is similar in dimensions to the Pixel 2, the device wouldn’t be too huge, though still a bit larger than I’d prefer. However, the Pixel would have several benefits over the XZ2 compact: OLED display, better camera, no infuriating camera DRM, better developer support from the OEM, android verified boot (allows locking BL to your own keys), and a much larger community of developers and custom ROM users. For the Pixel 3, I could also just sit back and have others with more time and enthusiasm do all the development for me If the Pixel 3 (non-XL) is indeed reasonably sized, I’ll probably buy one of those when they come out.
With that said, if enough people pledge interest in me doing work on the XZ2 compact, I’d buy one too. If 25+ XZ2 compact users pledge support, I’ll buy an XZ2 compact and bring LineageOS to it, regardless of whether or not I buy a Pixel. If 40+ users of XZ2 and XZ2 compact combined pledge support, I’ll try to bring LineageOS to both. If someone else wants to help, I’d appreciate that too.
@FcukBloat @serajr @squid2 @old.splatterhand
I am also interessted in LineageOS for this device and making a donation. Could you mention me, when you start developing LineageOS?
There shouldn't be much difference between the XZ2 compact, XZ2 and XZ2 Premium expect the driver (vendor/oem) partition and maybe some parts of the kernel.
And the LineageOS Treble image and the Sony Xperia AOSP Project is very helpful, if you want to get a LineageOS maintainer.
After the bootloader update for the XZ2 compact, XZ2 and XZ2 Premium, I will update my device files and compile TWRP again.
First for the XZ2 and if that works, for the XZ2 compact and XZ2 Premium, too.
They are very similiar. As example, the XZ2 and the XZ2 Compact sharing the same fstab file.
So there is a high chance, that the XZ2 Premium is similiar, too.
You can view the progress here!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...ecovery-twrp-3-2-2-0-touch-recovery-t3821597/
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That sounds like a good idea. I’m personally debating between them XZ2 compact and the (upcoming) Pixel 3. Assuming rumours are correct and the Pixel 3 is similar in dimensions to the Pixel 2, the device wouldn’t be too huge, though still a bit larger than I’d prefer. However, the Pixel would have several benefits over the XZ2 compact: OLED display, better camera, no infuriating camera DRM, better developer support from the OEM, android verified boot (allows locking BL to your own keys), and a much larger community of developers and custom ROM users. For the Pixel 3, I could also just sit back and have others with more time and enthusiasm do all the development for me If the Pixel 3 (non-XL) is indeed reasonably sized, I’ll probably buy one of those when they come out.
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I was evaluating pixel 3 also, it is 1cm taller than xz2c, so bigger but not that much (and still smaller than all other damned huge phones released nowadays) plus luckily it won't have that awful notch... so will see and if it will be really better than xz2c (not easy as this is a great phone!) I may get one and sell the sony.. from pixel 3 I like always on display, flat back, probably reduced weight, and yes as you say probable easy root wihout loosing (cam) performances... but I have to carefully check P3 battery life which I care a lot...
I personally don't care about the display, I find this IPS very good and even better than some OLED panels I tried (S7) and also camera is great for me in this phone (even in low light) but yes probably because of the SW alghoritms in pixel 3 will be better...
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I understand your concern @old.splatterhand. I mainly just wanted to gauge how many people are seriously interested, and I’m not really in great need of the money.
Here’s another offer that’s better for everyone involved: I will buy the phone and put in a best effort to bring charter-compliant (fully functional) LineageOS and recovery if 25 or more people pledge to donate something (any amount) once I meet the goal. You don’t have to specify an actual amount - just say you’d donate.
This is better for you because you have no risk of losing money, and you maintain an incentive for me to complete the project. This is better for me because I would not feel compelled or guilty if I fail to meet my goal for unforeseen reasons (technical or personal), and I don't want to be in a situation where I feel morally obligated to do a lot of work for not much money.
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To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
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To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
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I understand you.
But I did choose the XZ2, because I get regular updates, Sony pay and support the AOSP development for their devices and the XZ2 has a high durability and is water proofed.
Like a high-speed outdoor smartphone.
Is the cam quality really as worse as you say, when you use the DRM fix, camera API 2 and a gcam port for your chipset?
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To be honest you will never reach 25 people ready to donate.
The Sony community is used to get everything for free, they nearly never thanks and even less give donations.
Even if you build a few rom like lineage or carbon, the camera will always give bad results and low quality which is a deal breaker for many.
That's why I'm working only on stock rom and add all custom features and interesting commits from custom rom like lineage, resurrection remix, slim... I can have a fully working rom without any bugs without hundreds of new options.
Just my 2 cent but you shouldn't buy a Sony phone at all.
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are you going to prepare a stock based rom also for xz2c maybe? I'd only need few features from custom ROMs :fingers-crossed:
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I understand you.
But I did choose the XZ2, because I get regular updates, Sony pay and support the AOSP development for their devices and the XZ2 has a high durability and is water proofed.
Like a high-speed outdoor smartphone.
Is the cam quality really as worse as you say, when you use the DRM fix, camera API 2 and a gcam port for your chipset?
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I choose the xz2 because I like it, that's all. For me it's a great device, great look and fast.
For me Sony doesn't really support developers, they allow a small amount of devs to share source of AOSP that's all, Sony doesn't share what's needed to build perfect AOSP. If the camera works since Oreo it's only because AOSP devs and some guys here on xda worked hard.
Also if they support developers why so much things linked to drm. Why so much issues when unlocking bootloader. They should allow us to unlock bootloader without loosing anything and like that we could come back to stock rom without issue or stupid message at boot.
I like Sony, all I buy is made by them. But the main developers, not the aosp one doesn't like us and are doing all they can to discourage us to go ahead in development. I can understand them, they loose also many things with years, all what they are allowed to do is build stock with 5 Sony options, they lost what made Sony's stock rom amazing, the difference, the innovation.
Finally, since the Xperia Z I've never seen a good camera on aosp or custom rom, neither than a fully functional phone, I mean fingerprint reader, battery charging, automatic brightness, camera, noise canceling, battery life.
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are you going to prepare a stock based rom also for xz2c maybe? I'd only need few features from custom ROMs :fingers-crossed:
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As soon as a working recovery, drm fix on official Android P will be available, I will build my eXistenZ rom on XZ2 and XZ2 compact family [emoji6]
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niaboc79 said:
As soon as a working recovery, drm fix on official Android P will be available, I will build my eXistenZ rom on XZ2 and XZ2 compact family [emoji6]
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In the theory the DRM fix is finished.
But we need twrp to test it.
And to get a working twrp, Sony need to release the next bootloader update and to announce the XZ2 as part of the open source program.
And don't ask for an ETA.
They only know the words soon and ASAP. :silly:
But they added the tama akari apollo defconfigs and a kernel build script to the asop sources this week.
Maybe the release is now really soon.