Hi guys,
I just posted this over at Android Dev section of XDA
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7988886
I'm quite sure many of you would have used this either on Firefox or Symbian, or something along the line.
This would be a great app to port over to Android to make use of the gmail accounts space for whatever you can think of.
currently to access that on my Android phone i've have to do it the long way via sending email to myself
but on a PC or any other platform with plugins that can directly access the Gspace, i can simply drag and drop files into the Gspace file manager.
I personally not that great at programing, i can script just fine, but programing a full app is a bit beyond me.
So, It'll be great if some Developer have spare time to make this great app, i'll donate / buy it off Android Market if it ever becomes available.
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Dropbox...?
yes i'm aware there's dropbox, but using one's own gmail account offers way more space than dropbox
personally i feel it's better when everything is integrated into 1 account (reason why i like Android OS/phones)
it'll be even better if it can pickup the account username (email)/password from Android OS system settings > Accounts & Sync
There have been posts about this here and there, but most of them are just asking for advice on how to do it. I plan to follow through and document the solutions I find.
Why, you ask? I don't like Google having so much data on me. I used to not care but in today's environment with SOPA and new NSA data centers and whatnot, well... maybe I'm paranoid but I don't necessarily want anyone to so easily have such a complete profile of all my searches, contacts, location history, etc. Anyway, if you think it's dumb, ok, got it, move along please.
So if I don't like Google then why use Android? Well, a couple of reasons. First of all, Google is not Android. Android is maintained by the Android Open Source Project, which in turn is made up of members of the Open Handset Alliance. Yes, Google is the lead member of the Open Handset Alliance, and yes most of the developers working on the Android Open Source Project are Google employees. But I've been following Android for long enough now to know that Google and Android are for all practical purposes separate entities.
The second reason is because Android is simply the best mobile operating system on the planet right now, and it is free open-source software. I use Ubuntu on my laptop, and I'm not interested in switching to Windows or Mac, so that pretty much rules out iPhone or Windows Phone right there.
But isn't Android really Google's OS? Yes and No. As I mentioned, Google does pretty much run the AOSP, along with device manufacturers. But AOSP is very "provider agnostic." Much of what you see on your phone is not from AOSP. The Galaxy Nexus is a GOOGLE device, not an AOSP device. Gmail, Maps, Market, Location Tracking, etc are all GOOGLE ADDITIONS and are NOT a part of AOSP! When you build AOSP from source (or Cyanogenmod), you end up with an agnostic, neutral device that has practically no mention of anything Google whatsoever.
But what about what you DONT have in AOSP? No Market??? No Gmail??? How can you possibly use Android without these things? Well that is exactly what I intend to find out.
Please feel free to contribute to the discussion with ideas and questions. Hopefully this thread can eventually be helpful for someone else who comes along and wants to do something similar.
More posts to follow as I progress....
EDIT: I should add, I also will try to avoid other "free" services like Yahoo! and Hotmail-- basically anyone who wants to run bots through your mail to sell you ads or sell your data to others who want to sell you ads, etc. I will be trying to use open-source or for-pay services where possible (if it's "free" then YOU'RE the product!).
I commend your ambition, but this is nothing new. There are already non-Google Android handsets an tablets on the market. The Kindle Fire, for example, is non-Google.
You can do the same with a GNex. Just don't add a Google account or use a ROM without the gapps. Install the Amazon App Store, change your default search, and away you go.
please...stay safe
Personally the only Google apps I use are Gmail and the Play store, with an occasional use of maps and goggles.
Having a market is really just for convenience, you could install with APKs like on Windows you have to install from EXEs or MSIs. And if you're that against google you could just use the Amazon marketplace for stuff, though I've heard they take longer to receive updates.
In all honesty I don't know what to suggest except flashing 100% and not signing into Google services in any way or form. What you are asking is not possible unless you use apks from non market source and using Hotmail or something.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus expect possible typos.
If somebody figure out how to use Calendar, without creating google account for at least one time, or tell me the alternative calendar (not just widget) that will not sync with google, it would be nice. For example Smasung TW Launcher has it's own calendar, that you can choose, without google, but pure ICS does not have.
I have tryed many alternative, such as Jorte, Pocket Informant, etc, but they are far away from stock ...
I use:
1mobile.net
4shared.com (You also get 15gb cloud space free)
appbrain.com (get app from 4shared)
I absolutely love Google and all of their services. You're crazy! Good luck with it though.
Somebody needs to come out with a tinfoil hat edition ROM.
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sashavegas said:
If somebody figure out how to use Calendar, without creating google account for at least one time, or tell me the alternative calendar (not just widget) that will not sync with google, it would be nice. For example Smasung TW Launcher has it's own calendar, that you can choose, without google, but pure ICS does not have.
I have tryed many alternative, such as Jorte, Pocket Informant, etc, but they are far away from stock ...
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THIS is the point of the thread. Replacing Android Market with Amazon App Stores is completely simple and obvious. Getting contacts and calendar syncing, things like that are not so obvious. Mainly because I am not only going to avoid Google, but other services like Yahoo! or Hotmail, etc (anything that's "free" so they can monetize your data).
Stay off the grid bro
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Stay off the grid bro
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Exactly! Lol.
Once you're connected to the internet, you're pretty much open to everyone... You can go offline if you don't want any of these... It's not only google... There's ways you can go anonymous like using proxy.... Using search engine that don't track search data... Google has an option for you to opt-in or opt out... Just like the previous responses, you can use amazon but don't think amazon doesn't track you also... How would they know what to recommend you... Google don't force users to stick only to them... And that's why I like google for this reason only...
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matt2053 said:
THIS is the point of the thread. Replacing Android Market with Amazon App Stores is completely simple and obvious. Getting contacts and calendar syncing, things like that are not so obvious. Mainly because I am not only going to avoid Google, but other services like Yahoo! or Hotmail, etc (anything that's "free" so they can monetize your data).
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There should be some third party app that will do these things, well you use linux, you should know that there's a lot of alternatives... Try if the software you use in ubuntu are available for android
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Try this one, if you use thunderbird. Seems decent...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.callicia.birdiesync
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AndroidNeophyte said:
Once you're connected to the internet, you're pretty much open to everyone... You can go offline if you don't want any of these... It's not only google... There's ways you can go anonymous like using proxy.... Using search engine that don't track search data... Google has an option for you to opt-in or opt out... Just like the previous responses, you can use amazon but don't think amazon doesn't track you also... How would they know what to recommend you... Google don't force users to stick only to them... And that's why I like google for this reason only...
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The point isn't really to be 100% anonymous. That would require a dumbphone with prepaid sim or VPN/Proxy setups etc, and that's not what I'm look at. The point is to make an experiment and see how "non-Google" AOSP really is and how useful it is as a mobile OS on its own, without Google proprietary add-ons. Many people say you "have to have a Gmail account to use Android," or "you have to sync your contacts through Gmail" etc and I want to show people how they can do it without Google if they so choose.
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Try this one, if you use thunderbird. Seems decent...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.callicia.birdiesync
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Yes, I saw that one and I plan to try it out. I do use Thunderbird, thanks!
AOSP + open source Exchange alternative for syncing Calendar/Email/Contacts hosted on your own server (ie Zimbra)
Sideload all apps
Voila!
matt2053 said:
THIS is the point of the thread. Replacing Android Market with Amazon App Stores is completely simple and obvious. Getting contacts and calendar syncing, things like that are not so obvious. Mainly because I am not only going to avoid Google, but other services like Yahoo! or Hotmail, etc (anything that's "free" so they can monetize your data).
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XDA monetizes your data. Every website does; that's how they pay for hosting and bandwidth.
Use a different calendar app and sync your contacts to Outlook, or just back them up somewhere.
Alright, but you should really start off removing the antenna from your smartphone. Then compile AOSP, don't flash GApps, sideload all APK files.
There, now you're off the grid. Enjoy boredom and next to no convenient functionality.
Currently split screen is very limited on the G4, can't split screen any of the apps I actually want to like I could on my S6, shame really. Anyone think once root is released this limit to apps that few care about could be lifted? It'd be nice to be able to split screen Facebook & Kik again for example, sucks not having that .
When root comes out yes u can enable all apps in splitscreen u can download biuld prop editor and change a value.
S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
Currently split screen is very limited on the G4, can't split screen any of the apps I actually want to like I could on my S6, shame really. Anyone think once root is released this limit to apps that few care about could be lifted? It'd be nice to be able to split screen Facebook & Kik again for example, sucks not having that .
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-g4/help/lg-g4-vs985-apps-t3166112
enjoy
Already done. See above link. I think there is an App in the Play Store that can actually do this for you. I think 1 method unlocks ALL apps and the Play Store just lets you customize which ones are allowed. The benefit of selecting which ones are allowed is so you don't have to scour through a ton of apps to find what you want. For me I would probably only use Phone, Email, Gmail, Chrome, XDA, Hangouts, Messaging, etc.
A while ago I came across this thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12016011
and I'd like to know whether the Google collecting stuff also applies to a default LineageOS install? Or does it start only after GApps is installed (even the smallest possible one)?
Personal info, the minute you enter your google email address.
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When you put you email or use some Google app product you agree to share your personal data.
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OK, but that's limited to that app and the permissions you give it - and that goes pretty much for all apps, Google or not. I was thinking more about the system-wide "telemetry".
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OK, but that's limited to that app and the permissions you give it - and that goes pretty much for all apps, Google or not. I was thinking more about the system-wide "telemetry".
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Not really. Google has tentacles into so many things it's mind boggling.
For example: you may think that you are keeping your location data private by turning off that nice shiny location services toggle right at the top of your screen. But guess what? By default, various Google frameworks are set to override that whenever they feel like it, to ping your location silently anyway.
And even if you have the GPS chip disabled in hardware (or it doesn't exist at all), they will try to triangulate you based on other visible entities like WiFi and Bluetooth signals. (You know those Google Streetmap cars that drive around everywhere taking pictures of everything? They also are collecting a giant database of every single wireless signal they encounter, and linking them to the exact geo coordinates where they were detectable. And they also collect this data from every device running Android. So if your downstairs neighbor has a WiFi access point or bluetooth device in Google's location database, the simple fact your mobile device can see one of those signals means they've now got YOUR location, too.)
Neat, huh?
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Neuromancer said:
A while ago I came across this thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12016011
and I'd like to know whether the Google collecting stuff also applies to a default LineageOS install? Or does it start only after GApps is installed (even the smallest possible one)?
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Even the "pico" Gapps - which includes (IIRC) just the Gplay services framework, Gplay app, PIM sync and Google Cloud Messaging components is enough.
On one of my devices I have pico Gapps installed on Lineage 14.1 and, as per usual, it is constantly trying to get my location. (I know this because I have Privacy Manager set to popup an approval prompt for both Gplay and Gplay services.) Another thing that the Google frameworks like to do is send/receive silent SMS messages. Once again, if it were not for the CM/Lineage Privacy Manager prompts, this would all be invisible.
Agree with Exabyter. Google is soo inside the apps and it's services that it's hard to predict if they can get your data or not. The Google Services Apps that give you access to lot of apps features have a lot of phone permission
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So using alternative markets such as F-Droid and Aptoide, and not installing GApps at all, can be a mitigating factor?
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So using alternative markets such as F-Droid and Aptoide, and not installing GApps at all, can be a mitigating factor?
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Yes. And I was thinking along those lines myself for quite a while.
Unfortunately the big problem with those app sources is that they cannot handle paid apps/subscriptions.
F-droid is great if you are an open-source pedant, and as much as I like it (because among other things, generally speaking most of the stuff on there isn't doing sneaky stuff), the selection is very small.
Aptoide has a large percentage of the major apps on Gplay, but many of them are there without the developer's permission. Anyone can create an appstore there and upload any APK they want. (I actually have a private store there I intend to use at some point as a sort of APK repository for my various devices, but in practice I'm not sure how well this will work) And if you get apps from a personal user's store there there's a possibility there's something illegitimate about it. Aptoide checks APK signatures but I like to run a local A/V scanner anyway.
My current thinking is install the smallest possible open-source Gapps (eg pico), and then try to put a leash on what is left.
I'm still trying to work out how to accomplish that. Going to be posting a question in this forum shortly about location spoofing, for example. (In short: a recent AOSP patch may have really set us back here. )
I want to clone an app to have two instances with different logins, but the app is not in the list of specific apps supported by the standard app cloning feature of OOS 12. What is the best way to clone an app in general on One Plus 9 Pro?
Thanks
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I want to clone an app to have two instances with different logins, but the app is not in the list of specific apps supported by the standard app cloning feature of OOS 12. What is the best way to clone an app in general on One Plus 9 Pro?
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Parallel Space - Multiple acco - Apps on Google Play
Run multiple accounts of the same app at once, create a unique space by themes.
play.google.com
tk_xda said:
I want to clone an app to have two instances with different logins, but the app is not in the list of specific apps supported by the standard app cloning feature of OOS 12. What is the best way to clone an app in general on One Plus 9 Pro?
Thanks
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Did you try already this?
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Parallel Space - Multiple acco - Apps on Google Play
Run multiple accounts of the same app at once, create a unique space by themes.
play.google.com
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There are so many Parallel Space apps on Google Play. LBE Tech has 9 similar products on Google Play. Which one should I use?
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Did you try already this?
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I will look at this
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There are so many Parallel Space apps on Google Play. LBE Tech has 9 similar products on Google Play. Which one should I use?
I will look at this
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I tried using aurora store, but on OOS12 it's not allowed to grant all permissions required (i don't know the 3 required permissions full name, so i changed approach)
uninstalled aurora store, moved a copy of playstore already installed to pc
repeating the procedure installing this apk
i have been able to loging, not tried to install any app, but launching whats app from store clkne, triggers whatsapp clone, so i think it will work also for other stufs
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There are so many Parallel Space apps on Google Play. LBE Tech has 9 similar products on Google Play. Which one should I use?
I will look at this
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I used the one I linked specifically and never had issues with it.
another option is installing "insland" from playstore or "insular" from fdroid,
not tried "shelther" but should work the same
basically as for all other custom rom (avoiding the OOB parallel apps)
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There are so many Parallel Space apps on Google Play. LBE Tech has 9 similar products on Google Play. Which one should I use?
I will look at this
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These "cloning" apps arent really true cloning apps. They create a copy and run it within a sanbox so to speak. Honestly I wouldnt use them for anything sensitive like banking apps. Personally I use "App Cloner" - appcloner.app (that's a URL) it creates a true clone that has it's own icon within your app drawer. There are tons of settings to customize how the clone performs being that it resides along side the cloned app. Been using it for years to separate business accounts from personal accounts like AMEX and BoA.