After the oreo update the security patch updates are now being delivered on time. Is this due to project tree or there is any other reason??
I've also noticed much shorter intervals between security updates (EU version) after Oreo. Good work Honor!
On a side note, I've also noticed I personally eat more Oreos in different forms nowadays
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After the release of the OP3T, OnePlus has decided to discontinue sales of the OP3 according to Android authority. http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-3-officially-discontinued-us-europe-729580/
Could this mean that sooner or later, they might drop the support of the OP3 due to how they have to work on updates for both phones? They have slightly different specs so that might mean they have to work on two different sets of updates right?
There is slight difference in OP3 and OP3T, basically in Soc. OP3T will obviously require different drivers etc and they definitely will not care for the older one. You know what, they have released 7 beta updated for OP3 but nothing worth noticeable is there in these updates except their try to push own bloatware. Some of the OEM have updated their devices to nougat but not Oneplus. If LG can make their device updated to nougat out of the box then why not Oneplus. If they release nougat for OP3 than it will have negative impact on sale of OP3T which they never let happen. They will be updating OP3T to nougat and OP3 will get it after few months
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There is slight difference in OP3 and OP3T, basically in Soc. OP3T will obviously require different drivers etc and they definitely will not care for the older one. You know what, they have released 7 beta updated for OP3 but nothing worth noticeable is there in these updates except their try to push own bloatware. Some of the OEM have updated their devices to nougat but not Oneplus. If LG can make their device updated to nougat out of the box then why not Oneplus. If they release nougat for OP3 than it will have negative impact on sale of OP3T which they never let happen. They will be updating OP3T to nougat and OP3 will get it after few months
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Both devices get Nougat this year. According to their stream updates will be brought out sameoutaniously. Also the OP2 and OPx will get Nougat but not this year.
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Both devices get Nougat this year. According to their stream updates will be brought out simultaneously. Also the OP2 and OPx will get Nougat but not this year.
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The OPX will not get official Nougat as the 801 doesn't pass Google's certification as Qualcomm is not updating the drivers to support OpenGL ES 3.1.
quite disappointed on how quickly OP decided to destroy its great public image made after release of OP3...
lel, what did you guys expect from "LYING CARL" ? You can't trust a single word this guy says.
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lel, what did you guys expect from "LYING CARL" ? You can't trust a single word this guy says.
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Absolutely true
Don't speculate. Wait and see.
OP are vastly smaller than LG or Samsung, there isn't simply the quantity of devices out there as OP can't manufacture that many. So they're taking advantage of the newer hardware and quickly updating to the newest CPU, rather than continuing to manufacture devices on older hardware. This is why OP3 has been discontinued.
Software-wise, again, they don't have the development team to get Nougat out to us 'RIGHT NOW', but we've been promised it by the end of the year on both devices. I've been very pleased with the amount of updates and community builds so far.
OP4 will hit probably six months from now and that maybe an incremental update again, unless we see a snapdragon 830 or something!
Out of nowhere, I suddenly get this:
https://samsung-firmware.org/download/GALAXY Tab PRO/8be3/BTU/T900XXSBPL3/T900OXABOH4/
The Changes text is useless, literally just says "N" - but sure as hell isn't Nougat as it was only 80Mb. Just found it very odd since my 12.2 Pro is so old, I wasn't expecting any updates. And it's too old for the monthly security patch thing on newer devices.
Anyone know what it is about?
The 12.2" Pro isn't exactly like its younger siblings the 10.2, and 8.4. which only have 2Gbs of RAM to your 12's 3Gbs. As such you have managed to enjoy Lollipop, where as the rest of us have been left on KitKat. So it wouldn't surprise me that your getting updates. Besides Lollipop may be old, but it is still able to use the Security Updates, from Google. Assuming Samsung were still assed to pass those along.
Ah, I had no idea that the smaller ones didn't get lollipop. Let me assure you that updates to my tablet dried up a very long time ago!! That's why I was so surprised to receive this one out of the blue.
Wish they'd release another 12 inch tab
Yeah thing is IIRC.. Lollipop is the minimum level required to receive Google's monthly Security Fixes. Which is probably what was updated.
You could simply verify this by checking the Device Settings > About Device. Then scroll down till you spot it.
It might not be Marshmallow, but some of those Updates actually do fix things that needed fixing at the time. e.g Stage fright, or the Qualcomm Quadrooter Bugs.
Currently I'm on stock rom simply because everything is working well (camera, speed, battery) and I don't need root.
But the latest stock rom is Android 8.0 with security patch level of August 2018 (really Motorola? That's almost two years behind).
How much of a security risk does this lack of patch level mean? Should people on stock rom be concerned? Are they open to widely used exploits?
If so, is this lack of security legal by Motorola (in EU)?
The MZP is abandoned by Motorola, this is sadly normal for oder devices. Updating a device costs the manufacturer ressources which at a certain point in time are not economically feasable for an older device, given its competitive price. If you would need 5 years of support, the device would certainly cost 100 $ more for the consumer. As there is no legal requirement (yet) in the EU or elsewhere to keep devices secure, the vendor sees no point in investing development time into the aftermarket.
If it's a security concern to use an older and outdated device? Yes, if you use Bluetooth and surf on public WiFi networks. No, if you use it at home only and keep Bluetooth turned off.
Also consider that someone who finds your device and has physical access to it, can break the lockscreen and thus circumvent disk encryption with an older patch level. This exposes all account tokens you have on the device (chat, email, social media, banking, etc).
If you want a recent patch level, go for a GSI ROM (partially secure due to outdated vendor) or the /e/ foundation ROM for addison.
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The MZP is abandoned by Motorola, this is sadly normal for oder devices. Updating a device costs the manufacturer ressources which at a certain point in time are not economically feasable for an older device, given its competitive price. If you would need 5 years of support, the device would certainly cost 100 $ more for the consumer. As there is no legal requirement (yet) in the EU or elsewhere to keep devices secure, the vendor sees no point in investing development time into the aftermarket.
If it's a security concern to use an older and outdated device? Yes, if you use Bluetooth and surf on public WiFi networks. No, if you use it at home only and keep Bluetooth turned off.
Also consider that someone who finds your device and has physical access to it, can break the lockscreen and thus circumvent disk encryption with an older patch level. This exposes all account tokens you have on the device (chat, email, social media, banking, etc).
If you want a recent patch level, go for a GSI ROM (partially secure due to outdated vendor) or the /e/ foundation ROM for addison.
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Can you please explain me why you still recommend the /e/ foundation Rom when it's Nougat? Thank you!
This is really sad. All vendors should require to at least show a notification that the current OS is unsupported/insecure (like unsupported windows versions do).
I'm also shocked to see over 50 high risk cve's for Android 8.0 since 2018
Looks like I will need to switch to a custom rom with a recent security patch level. My research sofar indicates unofficial lineage 15.1 by @BtbN .
I'm disappointed Google didn't force measures for this security problem (due to too much vendor freedom) since the beginning.
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Can you please explain me why you still recommend the /e/ foundation Rom when it's Nougat? Thank you!
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Because /e/ ROM despite being based on Android 7 has a security patch level of March 2020. Same goes for LOS 15.1, but that does not run as smooth. Tested it for some weeks.
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Because /e/ ROM despite being based on Android 7 has a security patch level of March 2020. Same goes for LOS 15.1, but that does not run as smooth. Tested it for some weeks.
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LOS 15.1 is the smoothest of them all. I have tried almost all of them. Actually except that /e/ Rom
I miss the old days of Android, specifically the galaxy S3 days. A major update to Android would be released and there would be countless roms that work with no issue on the device. I haven't had that experience in a long time. I thought that treble would bring that back (and even make it better), but that's certainly not the case. With every device needing a modified vendor image, treble doesn't circumvent the issue that when developers either don't exist for a device or leave a device, that device will be left in the dust at some point. The devices I used with treble either a. will have issues with sensors, vibrations, etc. or b. just don't boot. It seem like treble will work fine up the point where a manufacturer stops updating the device, so that the official drivers, etc. are available for that version treble. But as soon as the developer stops updating, and you want to use the next iteration of Android though treble, it won't work unless some dev puts in in work and makes it compatible. Otherwise, you're just left with treble roms at the same Android version where the manufacturer stopped updating at. Sure, you'll get security updates, but that is not good enough for me. I want a device to give me android updates for years.
Basically, I'm just venting about how disappointing this all is. Is there anything on the horizon to make any of this better?
My Samsung A3 is almost 5 years old and I still use it as my daily driver, I'm thinking about flashing Lineage OS to the device and I'm wondering what anybody's experiences were with using the OS as their daily driver. I will use it mostly for calling, texting and journaling. I also listen to music quite frequently. I don't intend on installing any of the popular apps.
I've been using LineageOS and Cyanogenmod forever. It works wonderfully and I do anything I can with the stock OS and more.
I run LineageOS on my Samsung Galaxy S5 Duos and use it as my daily driver. It's running Lineage 17.1 which is Android 10 (18.1/11 has just become available too) - not bad for a phone launched in February 2014, which is now over 7 years ago!
If it wasn't for this phone only having 2GB of RAM onboard a lay person probably wouldn't notice much difference compared to a more modern mid range phone.
With LineageOS there's a lot less bloat so Storage, RAM, CPU Performance, and Battery Life are all improved.
I went the whole way and the phone is rooted as well and to be honest I wouldn't look back. I bought this phone all those years ago specifically to do this and it's really paid off.
But remember the LineageOS ROMs are specific for each phone. So the first thing to do is to find the support thread here for your particular model and read through it for points relative to your specific device.
I really like the freedom that LineageOS and Root gives me to do whatever I like with my phone, all while getting monthly updates and having a support thread of like minded users (well actually many of them are way more power users than me). Daily driver performance is excellent.
When I buy a new phone it will again be a model that can run LineageOS and be rooted. And I'll do this immediately after purchasing the device. These days that also makes some chinese model phones a good option as they often have a good hardware to price value ratio, but terrible support and updates. So it's possible to use this good value hardware but combined with an excellent LineageOS ROM, support, and updates instead.
Hope that helps
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My Samsung A3 is almost 5 years old and I still use it as my daily driver, I'm thinking about flashing Lineage OS to the device and I'm wondering what anybody's experiences were with using the OS as their daily driver. I will use it mostly for calling, texting and journaling. I also listen to music quite frequently. I don't intend on installing any of the popular apps.
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It's OK if you have A3 2016. But what's your motivation? Playing around? Avoiding Google spying? Impressing friends with new android version?
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It's OK if you have A3 2016. But what's your motivation? Playing around? Avoiding Google spying? Impressing friends with new android version?
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Avoiding google spying No friends to impress lol!
jmh2002 said:
I run LineageOS on my Samsung Galaxy S5 Duos and use it as my daily driver. It's running Lineage 17.1 which is Android 10 (18.1/11 has just become available too) - not bad for a phone launched in February 2014, which is now over 7 years ago!
If it wasn't for this phone only having 2GB of RAM onboard a lay person probably wouldn't notice much difference compared to a more modern mid range phone.
With LineageOS there's a lot less bloat so Storage, RAM, CPU Performance, and Battery Life are all improved.
I went the whole way and the phone is rooted as well and to be honest I wouldn't look back. I bought this phone all those years ago specifically to do this and it's really paid off.
But remember the LineageOS ROMs are specific for each phone. So the first thing to do is to find the support thread here for your particular model and read through it for points relative to your specific device.
I really like the freedom that LineageOS and Root gives me to do whatever I like with my phone, all while getting monthly updates and having a support thread of like minded users (well actually many of them are way more power users than me). Daily driver performance is excellent.
When I buy a new phone it will again be a model that can run LineageOS and be rooted. And I'll do this immediately after purchasing the device. These days that also makes some chinese model phones a good option as they often have a good hardware to price value ratio, but terrible support and updates. So it's possible to use this good value hardware but combined with an excellent LineageOS ROM, support, and updates instead.
Hope that helps
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Thank you for the detailed response, and for reminding me to check the support thread for my model! I also noticed that the less popular Chinese model phones had better price to hardware ratios and the only thing stopping me was exactly what you mentioned, though I'm doing this to an A3 I'll probably consider buying something of the sort in the future for when I want an upgrade. From your response, Lineage is looking hopeful!