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Updated [Comparison] HTC 10 QC 3.0 Charging test, QC 2.0, Type-C Fast Charging

Method:
First I used my phone until the battery was below 15% in order to get a better picture of what the charging would look like over almost a full battery cycle. I did not start at the same battery percentage for each test because I did not find any benefit to doing so. I original did this for uniformity, but it did not make a difference after trying it using the more accurate equipment.
I then cleared my history in the Battery Monitor Pro Widget (BMW Pro) recording app which was used to log the battery [mV], battery temperature [F], time, and battery percentage changes. Once this was done I plugged in my USB Power Monitor, turned airplane mode on, removed the case, and let the phone charge. I started logging the data via my power monitor once the phone showed it was charging. From this point onward I let the phone charge without interrupting it until it reached 100%, then I let it charge for another 10-60 minutes to see if it was still drawing power from each charger. Once all of this was done, I exported my data collected from BMW Pro, emailed it to myself, and pasted it along with the USB Power Monitor data into an Excel spreadsheet. All of the data was then delimited to separate the clusters of data due to the way they were recorded, and subsequently graphed. The USB Power Monitor recorded data points every 0.36 seconds, while the BMW Pro took recordings every 5 seconds because I was having issues with the “real-time” recording option in the app working correctly.
All of the data was then graphed into the nice figures you will see below; each color reflects the same variable across all of the graphs to make reading them easier. I included a legend at the top of each set of graphs which should also help make it easier to read the data.
Equipment:
These tests were conducted using a series of different chargers. The same brand was used for both Quick Charge 2.0/3.0 tests to minimize experimental error; This trend remained the same was also done for the wireless charging tests
Wall Chargers:
Quick Charge 2.0: Tronsmart 18W charger 5V/2A, 9V/2A, 12V/1.5A
Quick Charge 3.0: Tronsmart 18W charger 3.6-6.5V/3A, 6.5-9V/2A, 9-12V/1.5A
Cable(s):
Stock HTC USB A-C cable
USB inline Power Monitor:
XYZ Studio 0-24V, 0-3A USB Power Monitor
Tronsmart 5-12V USB multimeter (not used in this test, but was used in the older version)
Software/App(s):
Battery Monitor Widget Pro
Excel
Notepad++
Realterm (for the USB power monitor logging)
QC 3.0 Stock Charger
QC 3.0 Tronsmart Charger
QC 2.0 Tronsmart Charger
Data Tables
Full sized versions of the graphs, and tables can be found here
Video detailing the results can be found here

I thought qc 3.0 was just supposed to be more energy efficient and produce less heat than qc 2.0. I never heard it was supposed to be faster.

jollywhitefoot said:
I thought qc 3.0 was just supposed to be more energy efficient and produce less heat than qc 2.0. I never heard it was supposed to be faster.
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It is supposed to be more efficient and charge faster. (see attached Qualcomm promotional images)

I like your Tests. But why do you measure all 5 Minutes?
The App BatteryLog Records state every time the % changes.
Sadly the Bluetooth Module on my usb Powermeter broke off. So I have to get this repaired first before I can do any charging Benchmarks

Haldi4803 said:
I like your Tests. But why do you measure all 5 Minutes?
The App BatteryLog Records state every time the % changes.
Sadly the Bluetooth Module on my usb Powermeter broke off. So I have to get this repaired first before I can do any charging Benchmarks
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Actually recording it is more accurate than any app will be. Now that I have a baseline I could see if the app is accurate but the last time I checked out wasn't.

the HTC 10 charging slows down after 90% is that accounted for in these test? it reaches 90% in less than an hour

hamdir said:
the HTC 10 charging slows down after 90% is that accounted for in these test? it reaches 90% in less than an hour
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Yes, it gets dreadfully slow after 90% (I can upload my spreadsheet of the charging data to google drive if you want to see it, or post the table in the OP).
You can check the OP in about 10 minutes for an update
OP Updated:
-Historical charging tests added as a reference
-HTC 10 QC 3.0 full data table added
-First 1 hour charging data added for 3 devices including the HTC 10

Lol, the voltage curve is awesome xD

Haldi4803 said:
Lol, the voltage curve is awesome xD
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I can add an actual plot of it too if you would like. I am going to conduct a test using QC 2.0 to see how it consists to QC 3.0 maybe tonight if I get a chance. If there's s anything you would like to see let me but know.

I'm not sure is this is accounted for but I've noticed this is the first phone I've had that I can remember having the battery percentage seem accurate. My G3 would hit 100% but if I left it on the charger an hour past that, I got more out of my "100%". I would at times get 30 mins SoT on 100% but then 3 mins per afterwards. My HTC 10 actually seems to drain evenly throughout the 3000mAh which means while a G3 may read 100%, it's actually at 91%. Other phones could have inaccurate percentage reporting which make for a greater perceived charging speed.

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I'm not sure is this is accounted for but I've noticed this is the first phone I've had that I can remember having the battery percentage seem accurate. My G3 would hit 100% but if I left it on the charger an hour past that, I got more out of my "100%". I would at times get 30 mins SoT on 100% but then 3 mins per afterwards. My HTC 10 actually seems to drain evenly throughout the 3000mAh which means while a G3 may read 100%, it's actually at 91%. Other phones could have inaccurate percentage reporting which make for a greater perceived charging speed.
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That's why I measured the true 100% via a multimeter, otherwise it would be hard to tell if it really was at 100%.

Pilz said:
That's why I measured the true 100% via a multimeter, otherwise it would be hard to tell if it really was at 100%.
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My mistake. I should've read more lol And I'm always upset when people post without reading the OP. :silly: I got caught up by all the pretty graphs.

mosincredible said:
My mistake. I should've read more lol And I'm always upset when people post without reading the OP. :silly: I got caught up by all the pretty graphs.
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No problem! I can make them less post t if that helps

Update coming tomorrow with a QC 2.0 test for the HTC 10. A quick preview: QC 2.0 seems to be better during the first hour data tables, graphs and comments to follow

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HTC 10 QC 2.0 test and more data added

I am in the process of conduction a second round of testing using a Tronsmart QC 3.0 wall charger, and a Tronsmart QC 2.0 version of the same charger. I am using the same brand of chargers for consistency.

Pilz said:
I am in the process of conduction a second round of testing using a Tronsmart QC 3.0 wall charger, and a Tronsmart QC 2.0 version of the same charger. I am using the same brand of chargers for consistency.
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Since you've done a lot of charging, are chargers with QC 3.0 supposed to read "Charging Rapidly"? My QC 3.0 car charger didn't say "Charging Rapidly" with USB C to C and I'm wondering if I need to send it back. It did charge mighty fast though.

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Since you've done a lot of charging, are chargers with QC 3.0 supposed to read "Charging Rapidly"? My QC 3.0 car charger didn't say "Charging Rapidly" with USB C to C and I'm wondering if I need to send it back. It did charge mighty fast though.
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Well what charger were you using? If the charger doesn't support QC 2.0/3.0 from the Type-C port and instead uses the Type-C standard (5V/3A) that the Nexus 5X/6P use, then it won't fast charge. I never look at what the phone says because its irrelevant so I use a multimeter instead. The only downside to that is that no C-C multimeter's exist yet. The phone can only support 1 charging standard at a time, so that means it either supports Quick Charge 1.0/2.0/3.0 or Type-C fast charging not both. That is why is will charge slower over a C-C cable unless the Type-C port on the charger supports Quick Charge from Qualcomm not the USB standard version.

Pilz said:
Well what charger were you using? If the charger doesn't support QC 2.0/3.0 from the Type-C port and instead uses the Type-C standard (5V/3A) that the Nexus 5X/6P use, then it won't fast charge. I never look at what the phone says because its irrelevant so I use a multimeter instead. The only downside to that is that no C-C multimeter's exist yet. The phone can only support 1 charging standard at a time, so that means it either supports Quick Charge 1.0/2.0/3.0 or Type-C fast charging not both. That is why is will charge slower over a C-C cable unless the Type-C port on the charger supports Quick Charge from Qualcomm not the USB standard version.
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The Aukey 3 port car charger and it says the USB-C port is QC 3.0. Guess I should assume it's actually doing what it's supposed to since it charges stupid fast.
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-AiPow...UTF8&qid=1463369439&sr=8-9&keywords=aukey+3.0
On Topic: Those numbers for the HTC 10 QC 2.0 vs 3.0 are very interesting. Looks like QC 3.0 is definitely more efficient. And I assume changes in voltage are it monitoring temps and trying to keep them down. This is all new to me so I'm learning.

mosincredible said:
The Aukey 3 port car charger and it says the USB-C port is QC 3.0. Guess I should assume it's actually doing what it's supposed to since it charges stupid fast.
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-AiPow...UTF8&qid=1463369439&sr=8-9&keywords=aukey+3.0
On Topic: Those numbers for the HTC 10 QC 2.0 vs 3.0 are very interesting. Looks like QC 3.0 is definitely more efficient. And I assume changes in voltage are it monitoring temps and trying to keep them down. This is all new to me so I'm learning.
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It should charge at QC 3.0 speeds from my understanding. I have a Tronsmart wall charger that supports QC 3.0 over type-c, so I can test it when I get a chance.
I am redoing both tests with the same brand of charger since I used the stock HTC charger for the 3.0 and a Choetech one for the 2.0 test. I will be using Tronsmart chargers for each of the new tests, and I will post them up with the old ones. The QC 3.0 does really keep the heat down that much, because if it did the current and voltage could be much closer to the 18W it seems to support on this phone. QC 2.0 seems more consistent and maintains its output longer before tapering off which can be a bad or good thing. I might download an app to verify my results and to see the temperature, but I don't know how well that will work and or if it will affect the charging times.

Charging speed on various ROMS

I know DASH charge is not supported on roms until later in July when the source is released but what are the charging speeds on various roms?
Do they get full charging speed at 5V?
On my oneplus 3 - Oxygen OS - I get 5V 1.5amps with the google nexus 5v/3a charger. In fact, it seems to limit charging speed to 1.5amps max for non dash chargers.
Can ROMs get 5v/3a?
Thanks,
Rico

Not until OP releases the source code. Hopefully by the end of July DASH charging will be implemented in custom ROMs.
The OP3 light ROM is basically custom stock and supports 5V/4A charging.

Not exactly what I mean. Can any of the custom Roms charge at higher than 1.5a at 5v? Most phones now can at least go to 2a if not 2.4a. Nexus 5x/6p can charge at 5v/3a.
Any Roms with charging rates above 5v/1.5a?
Any kernels?

iamrico00 said:
Not exactly what I mean. Can any of the custom Roms charge at higher than 1.5a at 5v? Most phones now can at least go to 2a if not 2.4a. Nexus 5x/6p can charge at 5v/3a.
Any Roms with charging rates above 5v/1.5a?
Any kernels?
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i got that same observations too if some kernel is released which can take at-least 2A of current without the dash chargers it would be awesome as then we can charge fast from power banks too

I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters

evilangelic said:
I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters
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I can use Dash Charge here with CM13, no problems at all.
Maybe you are using an old ROM?

evilangelic said:
I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters
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vitorgatti said:
I can use Dash Charge here with CM13, no problems at all.
Maybe you are using an old ROM?
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Certainly you can do that. I was continuing to talk about how the Stock ROM from oneplus is handicapped by limiting charging that isn't Dash, to 1500mA max input current (as far as my observations and a quick Google have shown), just complaining about Stock basically... Java
I guess they want you to buy more Dash equipment instead of getting 3A rapid charge out of a usb-c to c spec charger

This is because the Limit of the cable. Most cables only support 1500mA. So to prevent it from smelting it will only Dash charge with a Dash Charger..

Demian3112 said:
This is because the Limit of the cable. Most cables only support 1500mA. So to prevent it from smelting it will only Dash charge with a Dash Charger..
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People tend to not understand that the limitation is there for safety reasons. You can't safely use all kinds of fast charging with all kinds of hardware.
DASH keeps the voltage at stock 5V and bumps up the current to 4A, which would destroy standard cables (too thin).
Other types of fast charging mostly keep the current lower, but bump up the voltage. OnePlus 3 *does not* support QC3 (technical limitation, not software) so you're stuck with 5 volts. And at 5V you can't safely go above 1.5A with any cable.
So, if you want fast charging, you have to use DASH or VOOC (VOOC accessories are confirmed to work as intended with OP3 and tend to be cheaper).
Sent from my OnePlus 3 using Tapatalk

Sure, I understand that, but none of this is what I'm asking as far as I'm aware. Let me say it like this..
I'm sat here with three Nexus chargers.
They output 5V at 3A (to a 5X and 6P) as per USB-C to USB-C spec.
I also have a PC motherboard with a USB-C port. It also conforms and allows 3000mA through the cable. Because all USB-C to USB-C CABLE is supposed to allow up to 3000mA by the standard. DEVICES can request that to be 1.5A or 3.0A.
The USB-C to USB-C spec cable is 3000mA
I plug it into my OP3 and it only allows 1500mA
I'm pretty much just *****ing at Oneplus for not allowing something LESS than Dash charging on a certified specification for the USB-C port.
We are taking 5V 3A USB-C spec (can't by design be thin cables) versus 5V 4A DASH (custom USB-A cable) which means NO danger of melting cables.
So is the OP3 port just not compliant?
To follow up from wiki:
All USB-C to USB-C cables are considered full-featured USB Type-C cables and must be active, electronically marked cables that contain a chip with an ID function based on the configuration channel and vendor-defined messages (VDMs) from the USB Power Delivery 2.0 specification. USB Type-C devices may optionally support bus power currents of 1.5 A and 3.0 A (at 5 V) in addition to baseline bus power provision; power sources can either advertise increased USB current through the configuration channel, or they can support the full power delivery specification using both BMC-coded configuration line and legacy BFSK-coded VBUS line.
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So basically Oneplus in my eyes must have made a call to not enable 3A on a USB-C/USB-C cable, seeing as the in-device hardware is able to stomach 4A. It's just a matter of allowing communication to the USB-C spec charger to say, send 3A, I can cope with it.
I'd love to hear what you guys think.
I have a USB-C/USB-C car charger with 2x USB-A ports, and so i'm really bummed out that the OP3 won't accept the perfectly reasonable and safe 5V 3A it can give. I use the two other USB-As for other devices, so I don't want the single port DASH car charger from OP. It's a waste of space and investment...

evilangelic said:
So basically Oneplus in my eyes must have made a call to not enable 3A on a USB-C/USB-C cable, seeing as the in-device hardware is able to stomach 4A. It's just a matter of allowing communication to the USB-C spec charger to say, send 3A, I can cope with it.
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I see that I forgot to mention another important piece of information before - the statement that I quoted here is not entirely true.
Remebrer that OnePlus boasted about keeping the device cool even while fast charging? Well, that's because they moved some of the hardware from phone to charger itself. Meaning that the phone alone does not have all the necessary internals to handle different charging inputs. Which is probably the reason that it only gives you 2 options: DASH or standard 1.5A @ 5V.
Sent from my OnePlus 3 using Tapatalk

Explorer23 said:
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People tend to not understand that the limitation is there for safety reasons. You can't safely use all kinds of fast charging with all kinds of hardware.
DASH keeps the voltage at stock 5V and bumps up the current to 4A, which would destroy standard cables (too thin).
Other types of fast charging mostly keep the current lower, but bump up the voltage. OnePlus 3 *does not* support QC3 (technical limitation, not software) so you're stuck with 5 volts. And at 5V you can't safely go above 1.5A with any cable.
So, if you want fast charging, you have to use DASH or VOOC (VOOC accessories are confirmed to work as intended with OP3 and tend to be cheaper).
Sent from my OnePlus 3 using Tapatalk
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Explorer23 said:
I see that I forgot to mention another important piece of information before - the statement that I quoted here is not entirely true.
Remebrer that OnePlus boasted about keeping the device cool even while fast charging? Well, that's because they moved some of the hardware from phone to charger itself. Meaning that the phone alone does not have all the necessary internals to handle different charging inputs. Which is probably the reason that it only gives you 2 options: DASH or standard 1.5A @ 5V.
Sent from my OnePlus 3 using Tapatalk
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Yes, but literally three amperes is less than four amperes. The voltage is the same. There is no different internals technically required to intake Less then the maximum amperage, that's just plain electronics.
The issue with heat they quote is due to Qualcomm Quick Charge using higher VOLTAGE which means a greater 'pressure' of current. Higher voltage needs better internals, but both of what I'm talking about are 5V and need no additional hardware to receive LESS amperage of 3A versus DASH's 4A.

every new roms support dash charge now

what is your favorite fast charger for the le max 2?

Hello guys,
as the title already says I'd like to know what is your favorite charger for the Le Max 2?
Do you guys all think that the OEM charger from LeEco is the best considering the charging speed or did you find even faster solutions?
Curious for your answers!

ANY qc 3.0 charger, i suppose

miskokupuje said:
Hello guys,
as the title already says I'd like to know what is your favorite charger for the Le Max 2?
Do you guys all think that the OEM charger from LeEco is the best considering the charging speed or did you find even faster solutions?
Curious for your answers!
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Dear collegue. I am yet waiting for my X822. Maybe you could give me some information how long does it take you to fully charge your X820 from 0% and are you satisfied?
regards Olek

If the phone is off, I need about 1h30min. to full charge it when it is not in quick charge. First time I used QC and the phone heated up so that's why I know use the normall method.

For me it takes 1h20min with phone on and the capacity of the battery is correct measured with small USB tool. Fast charging is sometimes 8V and 2.5 A.
Wysłane z mojego Le X822 przy użyciu Tapatalka

got the X822 aka the grey version in transit, couldnt resist it at 222US, ewen thow im not in the market for new mobile, allready pretty satified with the p8max that i like a lot and that dont got any quickcharge tech at all afaik, other then just plain 1.9amp charge cycle., according to my YZXstudio1270 meter, but the 4300mah takes here around 2.15 hour to fill, but slowing down massive the last 5 to 10% like the norm.
that tempo is fine by me, but have also purchased the Vinsic P3 terminator with QC and type C in & out. intended for the X822. seemed reasonable at 28US and with product-specs that shouldnt be to fare for real-world according to reviews.
JUst wondering if you can trick QC3.0 trigger on other devices, got an relative old usb trigger for QC, but no QC phones or at least chargers to check if 9v and 12v can be optainable and be used for ones 12v coreM tablet, just like that and push of an button..
anyway certainly looking forward for my first entry into my first QC device Lemax2 X822 and not least typeC.. LeMax2 lookzs wicked in grey. .:good:

DaneLaw said:
got the X822 aka the grey version in transit, couldnt resist it at 222US, ewen thow im not in the market for new mobile, allready pretty satified with the p8max that i like a lot and that dont got any quickcharge tech at all afaik, other then just plain 1.9amp charge cycle., according to my YZXstudio1270 meter, but the 4300mah takes here around 2.15 hour to fill, but slowing down massive the last 5 to 10% like the norm.
that tempo is fine by me, but have also purchased the Vinsic P3 terminator with QC and type C in & out. intended for the X822. seemed reasonable at 28US and with product-specs that shouldnt be to fare for real-world according to reviews.
JUst wondering if you can trick QC3.0 trigger on other devices, got an relative old usb trigger for QC, but no QC phones or at least chargers to check if 9v and 12v can be optainable and be used for ones 12v coreM tablet, just like that and push of an button..
anyway certainly looking forward for my first entry into my first QC device Lemax2 X822 and not least typeC.. LeMax2 lookzs wicked in grey. .:good:
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Where you found grey version for 222$?

Schumi_wk said:
If the phone is off, I need about 1h30min. to full charge it when it is not in quick charge. First time I used QC and the phone heated up so that's why I know use the normall method.
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You are sure that the quick charge is actually off.?
when checking on mine X822 and turning the knob in setting < battery < quick charge' to not active.
it still display the same voltage and above +6v to around 9v dynamic.. (its the same when the phone is off)
its like the "quick charge off function" doesnt do anything at all. (am on stock X822 assume its 16s EUI'build)
if you got an usb-meter, try to measure if the voltage actually stays around usb 5v level when turning the quick charge off. (mine it doesnt on stock QC charger)
// digitalnasarma it was on AliE ref CB.

http://www.banggood.com/Qualcomm-Ce...ith-Power3S-Tech-p-1047935.html?rmmds=myorder - CHARGER
http://www.banggood.com/BlitzWolf-3...3ft1m-Data-Cable-p-1051395.html?rmmds=myorder - CABLE

DaneLaw said:
got the X822 aka the grey version in transit, couldnt resist it at 222US, ewen thow im not in the market for new mobile, allready pretty satified with the p8max that i like a lot and that dont got any quickcharge tech at all afaik, other then just plain 1.9amp charge cycle., according to my YZXstudio1270 meter, but the 4300mah takes here around 2.15 hour to fill, but slowing down massive the last 5 to 10% like the norm.
that tempo is fine by me, but have also purchased the Vinsic P3 terminator with QC and type C in & out. intended for the X822. seemed reasonable at 28US and with product-specs that shouldnt be to fare for real-world according to reviews.
JUst wondering if you can trick QC3.0 trigger on other devices, got an relative old usb trigger for QC, but no QC phones or at least chargers to check if 9v and 12v can be optainable and be used for ones 12v coreM tablet, just like that and push of an button..
anyway certainly looking forward for my first entry into my first QC device Lemax2 X822 and not least typeC.. LeMax2 lookzs wicked in grey. .:good:
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Hello. Has anybody understand what this guy is writing. He always write muach but I cannot get any clue. Get off with your YZXStudio but just say how values you can achieve charging Le 2 Max with Vinsic Powerbank.

I also ordered the blitzwolf charger and cable.
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We just need a qualcomm quick charge 3 compatible charger right?

Ugreen

is the adapter which was included in the package not quick charge 3.0 ?

Digiboy2010 said:
is the adapter which was included in the package not quick charge 3.0 ?
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According to qualcomm, it is. My le max 2 shipped with charger EQ-24BUS.
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
I'd like a charger for night-time charging. Does anyone know if there are ill effects by leaving your phone on quick charge for extended periods and doing so daily?
And would one risk damaging this phone by using any other 'regular' charger?

Any charger should be safe, just make sure the cable you use has Pullup resistor of 56kΩ, without that 56k chip all kinds of stuff can go wrong. usb A to usb C is a really bad setup and you'll need that chip for protection..

Thanks castuis. Best thing I learned today This (and this thread w/charger links) is good to have.

So Which charger and cable are the best for the price? Original or something else. And where to buy with shiping to EU?

https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s0Inv
This is by far the best way to buy cables and chargers. You will learn way more than you ever wanted about USB accessories.
I bought the multi pack of Orzly cables , they are the best, relatively cheap... Sturdy.... And won't burn up your phone/house.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+BensonLeung/posts/5kADUwQKhY9

Supertacomonkeyexplosion said:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s0Inv
This is by far the best way to buy cables and chargers. You will learn way more than you ever wanted about USB accessories.
I bought the multi pack of Orzly cables , they are the best, relatively cheap... Sturdy.... And won't burn up your phone/house.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+BensonLeung/posts/5kADUwQKhY9
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Right, but those links mostly focus on USB C standard, not QuickCharge 3.0, which I believe technically violates USB C standards. I'd still suggest sticking to cables confirmed to have the correct pull-up resistor, and if you want to use USB power delivery rather than QuickCharge technology you can also stick to chargers and power banks from that list. I think QuickCharge 2.0/3.0 will still charge faster than USB power delivery though, in which you probably won't find them on that list.
In any case, I bought an 1 port Aukey QuickCharge 3.0 car charger and it seems to work well to charge up to 4 amps. I also bought an Aukey 10000 mAh QuickCharge 2.0 power bank, and it too seems to charge my phone at up to 4 amps. Both were bought from Amazon Canada. I use them either with the cable that came with my phone or good micro USB cables and Tronsmart Micro USB to USB C adapters (which have the appropriate pull-up resistor.)

chargers

So I've had a USB c for a while and now I need a second charger for this phone? Any recommendations that will work with the fast charge? I have a quick charge base already that I used with my LG, will any micro USB cable work with it? Pardon my ignorance

Anker and Aukey are my goto for everything charging related

Most cables work except for the ones that you run into occasionally that won't charge any device properly.

So my Qualcomm 2\3.0 adapter doesn't seem to quick charge this device. Any idea where to get an OEM Moto adapter that came with the phone? Or an aftermarket one that works with the turbo charge

Buy a moto g3 turbo(merlin) charger that works perfect with moto g5+

joshk89 said:
So my Qualcomm 2\3.0 adapter doesn't seem to quick charge this device. Any idea where to get an OEM Moto adapter that came with the phone? Or an aftermarket one that works with the turbo charge
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Weird as my QC2.0 Charger does quick charge the phone

Doesn't Quick Charge (Anker PowerPort+1 18W)
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B017XBDBI6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (usb type home charger, one output, QC 3.0)
Does Quick Charge (Anker PowerDrive Speed 2 39W)
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01K9MQ8WW/ref=od_aui_detailpages02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (usb type car charger, dual output, 2x QC 3.0)
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ckret said:
Weird as my QC2.0 Charger does quick charge the phone
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would you specifiy the product?
The Anker PowerPort+1 18W (QC 3.0, one Port) doesn't quick charge my G5 plus. Stays in 5 V + 1.5 A mode (which is only 7.5 W), instead of 12 V + 1.5 A (which is 18 W and does the exact same harm to the battery due to the same current... - so in this case I'd prefer to use one that uses quick charge).

i got it a long time ago so i am not sure but it looks like this
http://www.gearbest.com/iphone-cables-adapters/pp_322054.html
and works just fine

ckret said:
i got it a long time ago so i am not sure but it looks like this
http://www.gearbest.com/iphone-cables-adapters/pp_322054.html
and works just fine
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I hope you don't mind me asking, but: Does this mean you've been testing it with a voltage and current USB monitor (power monitor) that it really charges with a voltage of something like 9-12 V(DC) and a current of 1-1.5 A(DC) and you've also seen the "turbo charge" within the G5 Plus display or does it just "work" in the sense of "it is charging, but not sure at which power" ?

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I hope you don't mind me asking, but: Does this mean you've been testing it with a voltage and current USB monitor (power monitor) that it really charges with a voltage of something like 9-12 V(DC) and a current of 1-1.5 A(DC) and you've also seen the "turbo charge" within the G5 Plus display or does it just "work" in the sense of "it is charging, but not sure at which power" ?
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Well I dont have a voltage and current meter but testing it with the app Ampere it shows same value and also on connecting it displays "turbocharger connected"

What is Superfast Charging actually?

So what is actually superfast charging? Is it just Samsung's term for USB-PD? Does our phone support USB-PD? I'm still relatively new to this charging protocol.. What's PDO and PPS?

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This "Superfast Charging" is very similar to Qualcomm's Quick Charge technology but is somewhat more proprietary. Remember when Samsung launched 15W fast charging with the Galaxy S6? This is basically the same kind of thing, except instead of being only 15W, this is 25W. For comparison, a regular laptop charger from the last decade or so can support anywhere from 40W to 120W(Possibly more). Apple's newest MacBook Pro comes with a 96W charger. It supports USB PD (power delivery). However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more. If you were to plug a USB PD cable into a device which only supports up to 25W, then the device will only draw up to 25W. The reason laptops and some devices can charge faster than others is because of the chemistry and thermal management they use. Remember, a hot Lithium Ion or Polymer battery is a very bad thing, and the faster a battery charges, the more heat it produces because of internal resistance. Though you may hear about something like Wh (watt-hours), this is very different to W (watts), since Wh is a unit to measure how much energy a cell can store, while W are generally used to measure HOW FAST a cell can charge. PPS is an acronym for Programmable Power Supply, this basically means that the power supply (or charger) is able to change the amount of current it supplies, so that it doesn't fry the circuitry of the device if it cant handle it. PDO is an acronym for Power Data Object. GSMArena has a good article about this.here
I hope I answered your question, oh and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!

antxn_7703 said:
Hello
This "Superfast Charging" is very similar to Qualcomm's Quick Charge technology but is somewhat more proprietary. Remember when Samsung launched 15W fast charging with the Galaxy S6? This is basically the same kind of thing, except instead of being only 15W, this is 25W. For comparison, a regular laptop charger from the last decade or so can support anywhere from 40W to 120W(Possibly more). Apple's newest MacBook Pro comes with a 96W charger. It supports USB PD (power delivery). However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more. If you were to plug a USB PD cable into a device which only supports up to 25W, then the device will only draw up to 25W. The reason laptops and some devices can charge faster than others is because of the chemistry and thermal management they use. Remember, a hot Lithium Ion or Polymer battery is a very bad thing, and the faster a battery charges, the more heat it produces because of internal resistance. Though you may hear about something like Wh (watt-hours), this is very different to W (watts), since Wh is a unit to measure how much energy a cell can store, while W are generally used to measure HOW FAST a cell can charge. PPS is an acronym for Programmable Power Supply, this basically means that the power supply (or charger) is able to change the amount of current it supplies, so that it doesn't fry the circuitry of the device if it cant handle it. PDO is an acronym for Power Data Object. GSMArena has a good article about this.here
I hope I answered your question, oh and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!
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Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?

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However, USB PD has a very specific standard and is only supported over USB C cables, and has to be 60W or more.
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No, that's not true. USB-PD is flexible in it's power delivery and was designed to be one standard for all usb devices.,

GBry said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?
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I tried and apparently it is possible. But the charging would be standard charging.

antxn_7703 said:
...and sorry I got carried away with the length , I find these kinds of thing quite interesting!
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Please get carried away some more! I love this kinda great info sharing, and it's the reason xda exists.
Thanks

James.Miller said:
No, that's not true. USB-PD is flexible in it's power delivery and was designed to be one standard for all usb devices.,
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Apologies for that, I think I got messed up with another fact I read up somewhere?
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GBry said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation, now for my real question : can you plug a USB hub with multiple USB-A ports and a USB-C port and charge to this device through said port using any charger?
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This will mostly depend on the device itself, as well as the hub you may be using. This is because we are not certain what the manufacturer intended the product for. If you have a hub like the one you described, give it a go. It should work but if it doesn't, the worst that can happen is it doesn't do anything. No biggie!
Oh and also, just make sure that the charger you'll use is powerful enough, just to make sure that your host device will actually charge at a reasonable speed.