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Noob here. Please bear with me.
I have used MIUI on my Mi 4 and liked it. Now I am willing to buy the OnePlus 3, but am concerned by the "official" support. I mean currently OP 3 has quite a few software bugs like Doze problem, Pocket problem, DND issue, Microphone issue etc. Will these be solved or just left as it is ? I want my phone to be stable and secure and that is why I do not want to root my phone. In MIUI, issues used to be solved, at least, in the MIUI forums the moderators used to provide updates on bugs, on which update it was going to be solved. It was reassuring to hear bugs being removed in the beta versions of the ROM etc. I find zero official presence in the OnePlus forum. Like we are users just screaming off and no one is paying any heed. So, my question to previous OnePlus users. Do you feel these issues are going to be solved by official updates ? What are your experience regarding this. I like that phone quite a bit, much more than Mi 5. If the support is really bad I may wait for Mi Note 2 then.
Another question. Do you feel that custom ROMs are stable and secure enough to use as daily drivers without reflashing another one every 3 months. I am considering Paranoid Android and Cyanogenmod, but I do not have past experience. Do these ROMs get the latest security updates, do they get OTA or flashable zip or do I have to reflash the full ROM on every update ans lose data ?
P.S. I dont really hate MIUI nor do I hate stock Android. Please do not make it a hate thread. I just want a hassle free experience in the long run. I do all the tinkering at the beginning and then it just works.
Thanks for your help.
Miui is much better than oxygen
MIUI is better that Oxygen for sure.
With security app it is the best when on 4g Volte or 3G, restricting internet access to limited access to internet.
m.abhirup said:
Noob here. Please bear with me.
I have used MIUI on my Mi 4 and liked it. Now I am willing to buy the OnePlus 3, but am concerned by the "official" support. I mean currently OP 3 has quite a few software bugs like Doze problem, Pocket problem, DND issue, Microphone issue etc. Will these be solved or just left as it is ? I want my phone to be stable and secure and that is why I do not want to root my phone. In MIUI, issues used to be solved, at least, in the MIUI forums the moderators used to provide updates on bugs, on which update it was going to be solved. It was reassuring to hear bugs being removed in the beta versions of the ROM etc. I find zero official presence in the OnePlus forum. Like we are users just screaming off and no one is paying any heed. So, my question to previous OnePlus users. Do you feel these issues are going to be solved by official updates ? What are your experience regarding this. I like that phone quite a bit, much more than Mi 5. If the support is really bad I may wait for Mi Note 2 then.
Another question. Do you feel that custom ROMs are stable and secure enough to use as daily drivers without reflashing another one every 3 months. I am considering Paranoid Android and Cyanogenmod, but I do not have past experience. Do these ROMs get the latest security updates, do they get OTA or flashable zip or do I have to reflash the full ROM on every update ans lose data ?
P.S. I dont really hate MIUI nor do I hate stock Android. Please do not make it a hate thread. I just want a hassle free experience in the long run. I do all the tinkering at the beginning and then it just works.
Thanks for your help.
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customer service of both of companies is not great. xiaomi doest upgrade android on most of its phone and just updates their own skin.
dev support on oneplus is way better than xiaomi. and yes custom roms are pretty stable to be used as daily driver. if you want a phone to just use normally without rooting and custom roms, xiaomi is a decent option but if you want to try various roms go for onplus 3.
I was wondering if anyone has experience using the above custom ROM? The homepage is in Russian and I haven't been able to find out much more about it other than the fact that some people really seem to like it.
If anybody is running the ROM I would be interested in opinions. Is it worth flashing instead of using stock MIUI? Any problems using it in English or compatibility issues with US phone service?
I haven't unlocked my bootloader yet but have permission. I'm trying to figure out if there is a custom ROM worth flashing that offers some advantages over stock. My original plan was to flash LOS but some people seem to be experiencing bugs.
Any info on MIUI PRO (or even a different recommendation) would be appreciated.
I can't complain about performance on stock which is blazing fast but I do miss Google Smart Lock.
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I was wondering if anyone has experience using the above custom ROM? The homepage is in Russian and I haven't been able to find out much more about it other than the fact that some people really seem to like it.
If anybody is running the ROM I would be interested in opinions. Is it worth flashing instead of using stock MIUI? Any problems using it in English or compatibility issues with US phone service?
I haven't unlocked my bootloader yet but have permission. I'm trying to figure out if there is a custom ROM worth flashing that offers some advantages over stock. My original plan was to flash LOS but some people seem to be experiencing bugs.
Any info on MIUI PRO (or even a different recommendation) would be appreciated.
I can't complain about performance on stock which is blazing fast but I do miss Google Smart Lock.
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Would actually also appreciate any information on this ROM. I have used LineageOS, MIUI Stable, Developer, Nightly Beta, EpicRom, RR but not this one solely because the site is Russian as you stated. Would love a bit more info...Figured I'd reply to this in hope to revive it.
As for LineageOS, you might as well try it out now. The third release (most recent one) has had a LOT of fixes and optimizations done to it.
I've been using it for more than one Xiaomi phone and I think it's a great rom. Very fast, smooth, without lag and with an excellent battery life. It also has a face unlock and other settings that you can't find in other roms...I try Epic Rom,Xiaomi Eu,Lineage...
I don't know about US phone service because I'm from Europe...not from Russia but I use Miui Pro without problems or fear also if they are from Russia
Try it:good:
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I've been using it for more than one Xiaomi phone and I think it's a great rom. Very fast, smooth, without lag and with an excellent battery life. It also has a face unlock and other settings that you can't find in other roms...I try Epic Rom,Xiaomi Eu,Lineage...
I don't know about US phone service because I'm from Europe...not from Russia but I use Miui Pro without problems or fear also if they are from Russia
Try it:good:
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Thanks! I shall look into it. What kind of modifications/differences are there compared to the stock MIUI?
For example you can encrease at 6 number of toggles... double tap where do you want to wake up or turn off the screen...choose the colour the battery when is 100% or 80%...etc
MIUI Pro has had very bad battery backup for me
I switched to Mi-Globe ROM
Kaji said:
Would actually also appreciate any information on this ROM. I have used LineageOS, MIUI Stable, Developer, Nightly Beta, EpicRom, RR but not this one solely because the site is Russian as you stated. Would love a bit more info...Figured I'd reply to this in hope to revive it.
As for LineageOS, you might as well try it out now. The third release (most recent one) has had a LOT of fixes and optimizations done to it.
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I tried LOS. I was excited at first to have stock Android back but then I experienced issues with poor call quality and my mobile data reception became erratic so I ended up going back to MIUI Global with the MI Flash tool and not paying close enough attention allowed it to lock my bootloader again.
My skepticism about MIUI PRO goes beyond the Russian website. There is no information about the ROM in English anywhere I could find. The only review on YouTube is in Hindi. None of the Xiaomi threads on XDA, Google+ or Reddit has information about the ROM. I know Xiaomi phones are primarily sold in China and India but that doesn't really explain why there seems to be no information anywhere about the ROM.
But the fact that the ROM is based in Russia does seriously concern me. I had an issue with Kaspersky Anti-virus (which used to be first rate) not flagging Russian malware on my computer. And that happened a full year before Russian hackers helped Trump become president. Using a Russian operating system on a phone just doesn't seem like the smartest idea.
If you try MIUI Pro post what you think of it.
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I tried LOS. I was excited at first to have stock Android back but then I experienced issues with poor call quality and my mobile data reception became erratic so I ended up going back to MIUI Global with the MI Flash tool and not paying close enough attention allowed it to lock my bootloader again.
My skepticism about MIUI PRO goes beyond the Russian website. There is no information about the ROM in English anywhere I could find. The only review on YouTube is in Hindi. None of the Xiaomi threads on XDA, Google+ or Reddit has information about the ROM. I know Xiaomi phones are primarily sold in China and India but that doesn't really explain why there seems to be no information anywhere about the ROM.
But the fact that the ROM is based in Russia does seriously concern me. I had an issue with Kaspersky Anti-virus (which used to be first rate) not flagging Russian malware on my computer. And that happened a full year before Russian hackers helped Trump become president. Using a Russian operating system on a phone just doesn't seem like the smartest idea.
If you try MIUI Pro post what you think of it.
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Well said my friend, and kudos for using the flash tool....just feels so much more..genuine. Can't say I haven't accidentally locked my bootloader too but that's how we learn.
I found the LOS to be, well, an absolute stock experience. But like you and I'm sure many others, it just isn't at the point where it should be used as a daily driver. I'm currently running the 11th of May beta but honestly has more bugs than LOS at this stage so will be reverting back to the latest official developer ROM from the MIUI site (fastboot ver of course).
Gave this MIUIPro some extra thought and seeing as though it sounds very limited in extras (you can mod the number of toggles in the quick settings with packages already available on XDA if you wished to do so) I'll stick with builds straight from Xiaomi.
Sorry for the let down
Kaji said:
Well said my friend, and kudos for using the flash tool....just feels so much more..genuine. Can't say I haven't accidentally locked my bootloader too but that's how we learn.
I found the LOS to be, well, an absolute stock experience. But like you and I'm sure many others, it just isn't at the point where it should be used as a daily driver. I'm currently running the 11th of May beta but honestly has more bugs than LOS at this stage so will be reverting back to the latest official developer ROM from the MIUI site (fastboot ver of course).
Gave this MIUIPro some extra thought and seeing as though it sounds very limited in extras (you can mod the number of toggles in the quick settings with packages already available on XDA if you wished to do so) I'll stick with builds straight from Xiaomi.
Sorry for the let down
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I was thinking about trying the MIUI Developer ROM. Is it stable enough to use as a daily driver? I looked at posts about the beta but that seemed to be to buggy for me. I value stability since I'm using the Mi Mix 2 as my main phone. That wasn't my original plan but the signal reception is so superior to my Essential PH-1 I couldn't justify using it daily instead even though there are many things that I prefer about that phone.
Maybe LOS for this phone will get better eventually but that was what I kept telling myself when I had an OP5. I hated the stock OS but after trying every custom ROM that existed I found only 1 Nougat ROM (Viper) and 1 Oreo ROM (Phoenix) that I considered good enough to use as a daily driver. I'm not a programmer but I think the quality of custom ROMs has gone down the toilet because they are almost always being made now by people who don't use the phone as their daily driver. The only non-OOS ROM made by a developer who actually used the OP5 daily was Phoenix and you could tell the difference the developer actually using the phone made.
Cyanogenmod was the first custom ROM I ever used that always had bugs, probably because they were trying to be compatible with as many phones as possible. My experience with LOS on 2 previous phones has been exactly the same. I love that they are trying to bring stock Android to phones that don't have it but I wish they were doing a better job.
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I was thinking about trying the MIUI Developer ROM. Is it stable enough to use as a daily driver? I looked at posts about the beta but that seemed to be to buggy for me. I value stability since I'm using the Mi Mix 2 as my main phone. That wasn't my original plan but the signal reception is so superior to my Essential PH-1 I couldn't justify using it daily instead even though there are many things that I prefer about that phone.
Maybe LOS for this phone will get better eventually but that was what I kept telling myself when I had an OP5. I hated the stock OS but after trying every custom ROM that existed I found only 1 Nougat ROM (Viper) and 1 Oreo ROM (Phoenix) that I considered good enough to use as a daily driver. I'm not a programmer but I think the quality of custom ROMs has gone down the toilet because they are almost always being made now by people who don't use the phone as their daily driver. The only non-OOS ROM made by a developer who actually used the OP5 daily was Phoenix and you could tell the difference the developer actually using the phone made.
Cyanogenmod was the first custom ROM I ever used that always had bugs, probably because they were trying to be compatible with as many phones as possible. My experience with LOS on 2 previous phones has been exactly the same. I love that they are trying to bring stock Android to phones that don't have it but I wish they were doing a better job.
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Hey man. I had been using Developer builds up until now and I can tell you they are easily stable enough for daily use. I cannot confirm this is 100% correct but I'm fairly sure Developer ROMs are just the in-between ROMs where all the minor adjustments happen. The change logs have all included things like "Improved system stability", "removed unnecessary files for [insert app here]" etc. So you never know, they could actually be more stable than any of the "Stable" releases you've used so far, you'll have to be the judge of that. I don't travel much, nor do I require any very advanced function of Android at this stage so for sure there could be something I've missed but I have never had a force shut-down, lack of signal, graphical bug or force-close of app with any of the developer builds.
I never owned a OP5 but I did have a OP3 and OP3t which I used FreedomOS on both but eventually came around to LineageOS only because they all seemed about as optimized as eachother. I'm all for custom MIUI ROMs if they are going to actually improve on something but at this stage all they do is debloat which can be done by anyone and add a few features which actually make the system less stable and battery hungry. My plan is to try the occasional Beta to see what new features Xiaomi is bringing to the table, stick with the latest developer the rest of the time, and when they finally make a stable I'm happy with then stick with that until the next wave of software upgrades is due.
How is the Essential by the way? Apart from the signal. Never met anyone who owned one.
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Hey man. I had been using Developer builds up until now and I can tell you they are easily stable enough for daily use. I cannot confirm this is 100% correct but I'm fairly sure Developer ROMs are just the in-between ROMs where all the minor adjustments happen. The change logs have all included things like "Improved system stability", "removed unnecessary files for [insert app here]" etc. So you never know, they could actually be more stable than any of the "Stable" releases you've used so far, you'll have to be the judge of that. I don't travel much, nor do I require any very advanced function of Android at this stage so for sure there could be something I've missed but I have never had a force shut-down, lack of signal, graphical bug or force-close of app with any of the developer builds.
I never owned a OP5 but I did have a OP3 and OP3t which I used FreedomOS on both but eventually came around to LineageOS only because they all seemed about as optimized as eachother. I'm all for custom MIUI ROMs if they are going to actually improve on something but at this stage all they do is debloat which can be done by anyone and add a few features which actually make the system less stable and battery hungry. My plan is to try the occasional Beta to see what new features Xiaomi is bringing to the table, stick with the latest developer the rest of the time, and when they finally make a stable I'm happy with then stick with that until the next wave of software upgrades is due.
How is the Essential by the way? Apart from the signal. Never met anyone who owned one.
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It's a nice looking phone. Great build quality and excellent QHD screen. It's smaller than other phones I've owned over the past 5 years bit doesn't feel like a small screen phone because of the high screen to body ratio. It's much more comfortable to handle than the Mi Mix 2 although I'm getting used to this one. It's not as smooth or snappy as the Mix 2. But the weak signal reception is a big problem. I used it on T-Mobile (erratic signal), AT&T (poor signal), Sprint (poor signal) and Verizon (very good signal). Unfortunately Verizon's MVNO (Straight Talk) is way more expensive than the ones available for T-Mobile so it made more sense to use a different phone than pay a higher cell service bill every month just so I could keep using the Essential. I should have returned it for a refund but fell in love with it which was why I tried every network. I'm just using it as a backup with very cheap T-Mobile. The signal at home is crap but since WiFi calling works it doesn't matter.
Maybe I'll try the dev ROM then. Thanks for the info.
Kaji said:
Hey man. I had been using Developer builds up until now and I can tell you they are easily stable enough for daily use. I cannot confirm this is 100% correct but I'm fairly sure Developer ROMs are just the in-between ROMs where all the minor adjustments happen. The change logs have all included things like "Improved system stability", "removed unnecessary files for [insert app here]" etc. So you never know, they could actually be more stable than any of the "Stable" releases you've used so far, you'll have to be the judge of that. I don't travel much, nor do I require any very advanced function of Android at this stage so for sure there could be something I've missed but I have never had a force shut-down, lack of signal, graphical bug or force-close of app with any of the developer builds.
I never owned a OP5 but I did have a OP3 and OP3t which I used FreedomOS on both but eventually came around to LineageOS only because they all seemed about as optimized as eachother. I'm all for custom MIUI ROMs if they are going to actually improve on something but at this stage all they do is debloat which can be done by anyone and add a few features which actually make the system less stable and battery hungry. My plan is to try the occasional Beta to see what new features Xiaomi is bringing to the table, stick with the latest developer the rest of the time, and when they finally make a stable I'm happy with then stick with that until the next wave of software upgrades is due.
How is the Essential by the way? Apart from the signal. Never met anyone who owned one.
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Programming on OnePlus phones has gotten way worse since the OP3/3T days. Oxygen was programmed by a team in Europe back then. But to save money OnePlus fired the European programmers and transferred the ROM to the Hydrogen team in China. That's when the coding started to go completely to hell.
Software engineers in China and India analyzed the OnePlus version of Oreo and reported that a lot of the code was actually Nougat. They also said the coding overall was very sloppy and unprofessional.
If you follow software devs on their Telegram channels (outside of XDA) it doesn't take long to discover that the poor programming on OnePlus phones is a running joke with many of them.
Running a custom ROM doesn't completely fix the problem either because the custom ROMs still need to use OnePlus firmware which is a mess.
OnePlus phones are so poorly programmed there is no way to use TWRP safely unless you decrypt the data on your phone and keep it permanently decrypted.
jhs39 said:
Programming on OnePlus phones has gotten way worse since the OP3/3T days. Oxygen was programmed by a team in Europe back then. But to save money OnePlus fired the European programmers and transferred the ROM to the Hydrogen team in China. That's when the coding started to go completely to hell.
Software engineers in China and India analyzed the OnePlus version of Oreo and reported that a lot of the code was actually Nougat. They also said the coding overall was very sloppy and unprofessional.
If you follow software devs on their Telegram channels (outside of XDA) it doesn't take long to discover that the poor programming on OnePlus phones is a running joke with many of them.
Running a custom ROM doesn't completely fix the problem either because the custom ROMs still need to use OnePlus firmware which is a mess.
OnePlus phones are so poorly programmed there is no way to use TWRP safely unless you decrypt the data on your phone and keep it permanently decrypted.
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You make me really appreciate the fact I chose my Mi Mix 2 over the OnePlus 5t. Coming from the OnePlus 3T it was a difficult decision but I'm glad I made the switch.
Honestly this is the first I've heard of this but that's so bad, they are becoming one of the most popular high end smartphone manufacturers and they struggle to make solid, secure advancements in their software which can potentially lead to massive breaches of privacy via exploits.
Actually I remember not too long ago, wasn't there a big issue where users could access root from within the hidden developer settings of the OS? Without even an unlocked bootloader.
Gotta love that this is an entirely different topic from what this thread was made for.
Kaji said:
You make me really appreciate the fact I chose my Mi Mix 2 over the OnePlus 5t. Coming from the OnePlus 3T it was a difficult decision but I'm glad I made the switch.
Honestly this is the first I've heard of this but that's so bad, they are becoming one of the most popular high end smartphone manufacturers and they struggle to make solid, secure advancements in their software which can potentially lead to massive breaches of privacy via exploits.
Actually I remember not too long ago, wasn't there a big issue where users could access root from within the hidden developer settings of the OS? Without even an unlocked bootloader.
Gotta love that this is an entirely different topic from what this thread was made for.
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For whatever reason tech sites in the United States allow themselves to be shills for OnePlus. Reviews for the latest OnePlus device frequently sound more like shameless promotion than honest analysis because they often are. OnePlus solicits reviews in exchange for free phones and places the reviews on accommodating tech sites. I received an invitation to apply for a free OnePlus 6 phone and help to influence tech buyers. To apply OnePlus wanted a full length sample review of a tech product I already owned. The people who submit the most professional sounding reviews get the free phones and send their reviews to OnePlus. OnePlus then cherry picks those submissions and publishes the reviews it likes on various tech sites.
Pretty much the only two places you can get accurate information about OnePlus phones is on Telegram and Reddit.
Here's what happened with spyware in the 8 months I had an OP5. Someone discovered that a system process in Oxygen was secretly transmitting a lot of detailed user information to servers in China. This was separate from the User Experience Program that owners could opt out of.
An explanation of how to disable the spyware process was published and when asked to comment OnePlus promised to remove the spyware.
Nothing was done at all until the next scheduled monthly update. It appeared that OnePlus removed the spyware but it was discovered that OnePlus instead changed the name of the spyware process and that it was still transmitting the same user information to servers in China.
OnePlus apologized again but still left the spyware functioning until the next scheduled monthly update.
Shortly after it was discovered that an app in Oxygen allowed anyone with physical access to a OnePlus phone to unlock and root it by connecting it to a computer. OnePlus claimed that it was a Qualcomm test app that had been accidentally left on the phone. There actually was such an app but when Qualcomm examined the app found on OnePlus phones they said it definitely wasn't theirs.
It took OnePlus two months to remove the app from Oxygen.
Then in December a new type of spyware was discovered in an Oxygen beta build for the OP3/3T--a clipboard app that was transmitting contents to a server in China. OnePlus insisted that the clipboard app wasn't spyware but was actually a feature intended for its Chinese customers even though OnePlus sells virtually no phones in China.
Also in mid November OnePlus started to receive reports that customers who used their credit cards to make purchases on the official OnePlus site were seeing unidentified charges on their accounts. OnePlus didn't shut down credit card processing on its website until January. By that time over 40,000 OnePlus customers had their credit card information stolen.
OnePlus is not a good company so the fact that American tech sites continue to shill for them is nauseating.
I'm definitely much happier with my Mix 2 than I was with the OP5. This isn't a perfect phone but it's very good for the cost. The OP5 had crummy build quality and felt like cheap junk.
I tried MIUI Pro for a couple days. I wasn't all that impressed with it. MIUI Pro is less smooth and fluid than the latest official Global Dev Build despite having almost all of the Xiaomi MIUI apps removed.
The default keyboard is from Sony Experia for some reason. The only added feature than I personally found worthwhile was the expanded boot menu.
These are the other differences I noticed:
1) There is a smart network function that allows you to choose a specific type of network connectivity when making or receiving phone calls. You can have the phone switch to a specific network type and also automatically shut off WiFi, data or Bluetooth when on a call.
2) Menu options to change the system font and animations and their speed.
3) Built in charging alarm that would have been way more useful if you could customize the low charge/full charge values.
4) Option to use LTE instead of 4G in status bar as well as more options to disable/enable icons that appear there.
5) Three status bar settings (stock, aosp & IOS) that sound promising but all they did was change the arrangement of the status bar icons.
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. The Google Play Store comes pre-installed but nothing else--not even the Google app. That makes setting up Google Assistant with voice commands much more of a hassle but it's doable--the menus to make that happen in MIUI Pro aren't intuitive but that's probably because it's based on the China ROM.
It's also more of a hassle to get Google apps working properly in MIUI Pro compared with Official Global because you need to download everything from the Play Store and also manually grant the permissions for each app.
Since there are very few pre-installed apps you do have more free storage but I expected the ROM to be way faster and smoother since it's so stripped down. Performance of the ROM definitely isn't bad but for some reason it's inferior to stock.
Even though I chose English as the install language a couple of notifications came up in Russian. What they said I don't know.
I also don't know if any spyware or malware was written into the OS.
I missed stock after using MIUI Pro for just a few hours but ran it for 2 days anyway to give the ROM a fair chance.
I could see someone running MIUI Pro on a device where there was no official global ROM but it didn't do much for me.
Hello folks,
Looking for a sub-$200 phone with decent hardware and enough XDA support for the updates.
HTC 10 hardware seems decent for the price available (around $160). I checked the threads but I am not too sure if there is enough support for this device on the board. I could not locate any 'upcoming' pie thread. So I am curious if there is any support for this device on the board that makes it worth spending $160 for this device.
If it does,
What version is the best? My goal is to get unlocked version but if I don't find it and have to go for a carrier labeled, which one should I get (which one I must avoid). I am on at&t.
Many thanks in advance.
fuzzychicken said:
Hello folks,
Looking for a sub-$200 phone with decent hardware and enough XDA support for the updates.
HTC 10 hardware seems decent for the price available (around $160). I checked the threads but I am not too sure if there is enough support for this device on the board. I could not locate any 'upcoming' pie thread. So I am curious if there is any support for this device on the board that makes it worth spending $160 for this device.
If it does,
What version is the best? My goal is to get unlocked version but if I don't find it and have to go for a carrier labeled, which one should I get (which one I must avoid). I am on at&t.
Many thanks in advance.
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HTC 10 is a good phone but I think it's not worth buying in 2018, because you will never have much support or updates in stock and with custom rom you will see a dying project.
That is my opinion
There is currently an unofficial LineageOS Oreo version which has most things working apart from the woofter (the bottom loudspeaker) and the chap creating that, fagyi, is also working on Lineageos pie version as well. If he pulls it off, you will have Oreo and also pie for the HTC10. He seems dedicated, and has done fantastic things so far, but there is no guarantee. It might be, it never works OK.
Apart from him, there are NO other ports of pie, and the development of them never even started.
Is it a good phone? Yep, it is. I think it is great and am using LineageOs Nougat, which works fine. But I can only recommend it IF you are prepared to take the risk that the LineageOS version above will work out and then become official.
As for HTC, there is no hope. They released a rather rushed version of Oreo out and that's that.
The thread of the Nougat and Pie version is here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ht...lineageos-15-1-unofficial-builds-pme-t3808812
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There is currently an unofficial LineageOS Oreo version which has most things working apart from the woofter (the bottom loudspeaker) and the chap creating that, fagyi, is also working on Lineageos pie version as well. If he pulls it off, you will have Oreo and also pie for the HTC10. He seems dedicated, and has done fantastic things so far, but there is no guarantee. It might be, it never works OK.
Apart from him, there are NO other ports of pie, and the development of them never even started.
Is it a good phone? Yep, it is. I think it is great and am using LineageOs Nougat, which works fine. But I can only recommend it IF you are prepared to take the risk that the LineageOS version above will work out and then become official.
As for HTC, there is no hope. They released a rather rushed version of Oreo out and that's that.
The thread of the Nougat and Pie version is here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ht...lineageos-15-1-unofficial-builds-pme-t3808812
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there is someone on the xda discord who has a booting p rom for the htc 10
Dont buy this phone at all .... buy Chinese phone like xiaomi redmi note 5 pro ..... Chinese phone has more active developers than this phone.....htc 10 threads died already or will die soon.
aligh2014 said:
Dont buy this phone at all .... buy Chinese phone like xiaomi redmi note 5 pro ..... Chinese phone has more active developers than this phone.....htc 10 threads died already or will die soon.
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Maybe, maybe not....if Fagyi solves a few problems then we will have Oreo fully working and maybe even Pie.
But this all comes down to one person. If you want a device with active development by multiple people with multiple ROMS, then you should look elsewhere.
scutworker said:
There is currently an unofficial LineageOS Oreo version which has most things working apart from the woofter (the bottom loudspeaker) and the chap creating that, fagyi, is also working on Lineageos pie version as well. If he pulls it off, you will have Oreo and also pie for the HTC10. He seems dedicated, and has done fantastic things so far, but there is no guarantee. It might be, it never works OK.
Apart from him, there are NO other ports of pie, and the development of them never even started.
Is it a good phone? Yep, it is. I think it is great and am using LineageOs Nougat, which works fine. But I can only recommend it IF you are prepared to take the risk that the LineageOS version above will work out and then become official.
As for HTC, there is no hope. They released a rather rushed version of Oreo out and that's that.
The thread of the Nougat and Pie version is here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ht...lineageos-15-1-unofficial-builds-pme-t3808812
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LineageOS Nougat works fine on HTC 10? Woofer is ok? I have downgraded my 10 from Oreo to Nougat and battery performance is quite better!
harvey1483 said:
LineageOS Nougat works fine on HTC 10? Woofer is ok? I have downgraded my 10 from Oreo to Nougat and battery performance is quite better!
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LineageOS Nougat (official version) works just fine on HTC 10 and the woofer works as it should.
HTC 10 have great hardware but HTC device software support management is absolutely worthless. HTC is ruining their costumers loyalty. They are supporting devices only one year long.
After official release Android 8.0 battery life is catastrophical, but HTC coorporation is not doing anything to fix that. That's why HTC 10 is my last device from HTC.
Better choose other manufacturers.
fuzzychicken said:
Hello folks,
Looking for a sub-$200 phone with decent hardware and enough XDA support for the updates.
HTC 10 hardware seems decent for the price available (around $160). I checked the threads but I am not too sure if there is enough support for this device on the board. I could not locate any 'upcoming' pie thread. So I am curious if there is any support for this device on the board that makes it worth spending $160 for this device.
If it does,
What version is the best? My goal is to get unlocked version but if I don't find it and have to go for a carrier labeled, which one should I get (which one I must avoid). I am on at&t.
Many thanks in advance.
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I bought the 10 earlier this year as a stop gap after my Pixel died. I was keen to wait for the Pixel 3 as the 2 didn't do it for me.
The handset itself is nice enough, camera is just ok and the battery life with Oreo is truly awful. Thankfully Quick Charge makes it useable. Screen is good, but not as punch as amoled.
Depends on your requirements, the handset does have more or less everything, but I compared app speed against a Huawei 3e and it was faster to launch apps like facebook and linkedin.
I agree; I think the hardware is fantastic and the phone is robust unlike a lot of new glass phones.
I also prefer a LCD screen over amoled, so that's good too.
But the software is dreadful and it's completely unacceptable to drop support after such a short period of time. Just look at Apple who released ios12 this week for iPhone 6 released in 2014!
My HTC 10 is going well on LineageOS 14 (Nougat) and hopefully Fagyi on these forums will get Oreo or Pie working one day which will add life to this old phone. But if he can't then I will be stuck with outdated software on my phone.
In any case, this will be my last phone from HTC.....
What is everyone's opinion on the new OS we'll be getting on our OP9P?
I bought the OP9P strictly because of OOS and how stock it is. If OOS didn't exist, I wouldve bought a Galaxy s21 Ultra for less than I got the 9 Pro. Is Color OS good?
Is not bad
But will miss oos for sure
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Is not bad
But will miss oos for sure
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What do you like better about oos?
Seem faster for one
An
They came so far with it for when is was just a them offered on the OnePlus one
I feel it a a over all better ui
Well same could be said about color os
Oxygen Was Very Good ! Now is less & less because of google BS.
I hope Color OS will be free of Google Creap.
Is the current beta usable, or does it have major issues you all would say not to try it? A bit off topic, but just curious... Thanks!
OOS is a knockdown of Color OS. COS 12 looks like OOS 12 since is an open beta and their initial test to merge both OS. COS is bloatware edged though.
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OOS is a knockdown of Color OS. COS 12 looks like OOS 12 since is an open beta and their initial test to merge both OS. COS is bloatware edged though.
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This is upsetting. Literally the only reason why I bought one plus.
Hm, I was just submitting order - finally after several Samsung devices now Oneplus 9 Pro.. but I just cancel it, the decision factor I would consider OnePlus was actually OOS.
You can view Color Os 12, Android 12 on youtube.
Is not bad at alll.
null0seven said:
You can view Color Os 12, Android 12 on youtube.
Is not bad at alll.
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It's probably horrible. When are we going to be forced to use color?
shaarky said:
Hm, I was just submitting order - finally after several Samsung devices now Oneplus 9 Pro.. but I just cancel it, the decision factor I would consider OnePlus was actually OOS.
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Why would you bother to do this? They're going to make it look completely like OOS in the next couple of releases completely. Public of colorless is excellent it's just the UI appearance/ menu system that's crap.
After they tunned OOS it will take significant ammount of time to tune also COS.... this is also one of the major reason, I'm not going to be beta tester. And based on the Beta I have seen, it's just terrible. (my point of view, not need to argue with it)
Tried COS12 beta on my OP9Pro last week. Actually as good as advertised on their launching event on YouTube. But flashed back to OOS latest stable, only bcs no global version of COS12 yet (still very Chinese). Once they release global COS12 stable, I'll surely convert my religion to COS & never coming back again to OOS.
I've been quite loyal to OOS since I got my OP5T, tried lots of custom ROMS only to come back again to OOS. But now, not complaining at all that it's coming to an end because COS is really THAT good. I'd say, don't be scared to switch to COS. OP9Pro still got lots to give with COS imo.
Cheers everyone
winnertt said:
Tried COS12 beta on my OP9Pro last week. Actually as good as advertised on their launching event on YouTube. But flashed back to OOS latest stable, only bcs no global version of COS12 yet (still very Chinese). Once they release global COS12 stable, I'll surely convert my religion to COS & never coming back again to OOS.
I've been quite loyal to OOS since I got my OP5T, tried lots of custom ROMS only to come back again to OOS. But now, not complaining at all that it's coming to an end because COS is really THAT good. I'd say, don't be scared to switch to COS. OP9Pro still got lots to give with COS imo.
Cheers everyone
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Sounds like a solid plan! Cheers
I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
Unfortunately, the stability does suffer on the 9 Pro. It's one of the things you'll have to live with. To be fair, most phones aren't that great in 2022. Samsung has horrible battery life and Apple's caught in that iCloud scanning controversy. Pixel 6 is meh for a phone, the chip just can't keep up.
So pick your poison.
aforocars said:
I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
aforocars said:
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.
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if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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vincemue said:
if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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The point of my comment was not any criticism of developers, maybe I should have put this " I admire developers a lot" in bold.
Neither stock rom nor custom roms are what they used to be in oneplus devices.
Timmmmaaahh! said:
I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.
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I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.
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I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.
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So we're basically saying the same thing? Alright then! Easy discussion. Maybe literally say you're disappointed in OnePlus next time, that would've made more sense.