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Thinking of buying this phone, what are the ups/downs ?

Hi,
Im thinking of buying this phone, what are the ups/downs ? strengths weaknesses you have encountered.
Do you hate it/love it ? I need to know, i've read too many articles but some seem biased imho.
Thanks alot.

Perhaps not the best phone at everything but the best at its price point at the moment imho.
Depends really what is important to you.

I was trying to decide between this and S7 edge. The latter is a slightly better phone (smaller footprint, better screen and camera, bigger battery, higher cool factor, wireless charging, waterproofness...) and if it was £50 more than Op3 I would have gone for it. But I could not justify the £200 difference and went for the Op3.
And I have no regrets whatsoever. The phone feels a lot more premium that I had expected, it is blazing fast, the batter is also quite good and I have no issues with the screen at all. It is by far the best phone I have ever owned and I generally switch phones every six to eight months so have tried a few.
There is a 15 day money back guarantee so I recommend that you go for it and if you don't like it you can always return it. I suspect that will not be the case though...

st0rm77 said:
Hi,
Im thinking of buying this phone, what are the ups/downs ? strengths weaknesses you have encountered.
Do you hate it/love it ? I need to know, i've read too many articles but some seem biased imho.
Thanks alot.
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Can't speak for anyone else but my favorite things about this phone are:
1) Quick charging. With the Dash charger is very quick, inline with what's advertised. I've charged the phone on a plane using a DC charger and it was fast as well.
2) The finger print reader is super fast.
3) Overall the phone feels fast, much faster than my old Moto X Pure.
Things I don't like:
1) Screen is too dim using adaptive brightness.
2) Sound is weak compared to the Moto X Pure.

the samsung S7/e definitely has better specs, but even if it had a clean stock version of Android (which it definitely does not, TouchWiz sucks), the OP3 is a far more cost effective phone.
A better comparison since now it's almost the same price is the Nexus 6P ($404 on Amazon Prime Day (64GB) for example, and 32GB model has been $380 several times now).
Main differences between these two is:
- QHD vs 1080p (you won't notice unless you do VR)
- OP3 has an alert slider (and disables Automatic DND rules) vs N6P has normal DND mode w/ automatic rules etc
- Camera is better on Nexus 6P (unnoticeable during the day, but during low light photos you can tell)
- Camera App is MUCH faster on OP3 - both at launch and taking photos
- OP3 is smoother/faster & keeps more apps in RAM
- Fingerprint Sensor on front vs on back (both incredibly fast, location is a preference)
- OP3 has optional Capacitive buttons vs N6P has only software buttons
- N6P has Slightly bigger screen (5.7" vs 5.5") and is slightly (20g) heavier - but both are equally thin
- Stock Android M (gets faster updates) vs Oxygen OS (slightly slower updates but has more customization features)

i enjoyed this phone, wanted to keep it, but my 6P takes slightly better pictures. I have kids which i like to photograph whenever i get a chance and it's really important they look best. Its not like the camera is bad or anything, i loved it, in fact. Just think i would stick to my Nexus for now. I also want to try the Axon 7 and need to make the $ back for it lol. However, it was tough to make that decision yesterday

The cons for me;
- no Do not Disturb software. Have to use the slider button. It tends to override 3rd party apps too. May have found one working, but reliability is questionable
- no automated night mode, weak screen dimming software. Again have to use 3rd party, Lux, but having some problem with that app (slows down notification panel)
- I was on a cheap chinese phone last year, but it had a 4000mah battery. Kind of hard to get back to a flimsy 3000mah. Had to install xposed, greenify, Forcedoze, Amplify, trying to boost it to have a decent battery. I couldn't care less about Dash Charge. I charge my phone once a day, and that's while I sleep. I don't carry the Dash charger with me. That is not practical and I hope the people at 1+ and other companies stop ****ing around with the battery size. Device is really light. Really could have used better battery.
- what a poor support. Still couldn't get a refund on the case and tempered glass they had to cancel due to out-of-stock (but still charged me). Ticket is still open going back and forth. Just because of that I will think twice before ordering directly from them.
- I am not a fan of sound coming out from the bottom of the phone. I like ZTE Axon 7 take on stereo sound.
pros
- dev friendly, so roms will most likely fix most software issues
- seems pretty solid. No freeze/crash/random reboots so far, and the only slow downs I experienced in the UI are caused by some compatibility issue I have with Lux permanent notification.
- I like that the home button is capacitive. Won't break due to over use (happened on my last phone)
- providing I find a stable and bug-limited rom, best android phone I owned

2x4 said:
the samsung S7/e definitely has better specs, but even if it had a clean stock version of Android (which it definitely does not, TouchWiz sucks), the OP3 is a far more cost effective phone.
A better comparison since now it's almost the same price is the Nexus 6P ($404 on Amazon Prime Day (64GB) for example, and 32GB model has been $380 several times now).
Main differences between these two is:
- QHD vs 1080p (you won't notice unless you do VR)
- OP3 has an alert slider (and disables Automatic DND rules) vs N6P has normal DND mode w/ automatic rules etc
- Camera is better on Nexus 6P (unnoticeable during the day, but during low light photos you can tell)
- Camera App is MUCH faster on OP3 - both at launch and taking photos
- OP3 is smoother/faster & keeps more apps in RAM
- Fingerprint Sensor on front vs on back (both incredibly fast, location is a preference)
- OP3 has optional Capacitive buttons vs N6P has only software buttons
- N6P has Slightly bigger screen (5.7" vs 5.5") and is slightly (20g) heavier - but both are equally thin
- Stock Android M (gets faster updates) vs Oxygen OS (slightly slower updates but has more customization features)
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You certainly will notice the difference of the Op3's Pen Tile 1080p Amoled display compared with a QuadHD Amoled, even in normal use. That's in direct comparison. Use the Op3 for a while and you likely forget.
As to value, the OP3 is clearly better value than £600 flagships but for me, the benefits the S7(E) has are worth the extra. (I cycle a lot and the water resistance is incredibly useful as is the bright screen).
If the above is not too important I'd thoroughly recommend the OnePlus.
(Still, mine is provisionally sold and soon on its way to its new and probably happy owner).

The previous comments all pretty much sum up what I would have to add. Highly recommend the phone...it's worth every penny of the $399 and then some. Very satisfied with my purchase.
I'm going to make one observation about the screen though. 95% of the time, I can't discern a difference between the OP3's 1080p screen and my old Nexus 6 1440p screen. That 5% kicks in when I want to view photos that I've snapped on the phone. Zooming in to those photos creates a considerable loss in detail. This was not the case with my Nexus 6. Zooming into photos retained so much detail and clarity, even though the N6 camera is not as good as the OP3 camera.
My two cents!

Op3 have some flaws,but not everyone experiencing,which are mostly software related which can be fixed with updates ... But it doesn't mean a flawed phone, rather it is best phone on which money can be spent without too much thinking.
By the way every phone whether it cost some penny or our whole arm and leg, has some flaws , that doesn't mean phone is not good.
Therefore you have read several review blog,device specific sections here on xda which will help you to know what are most common problems with particular phone.If these problems are to severe that software update or dev community can't fix then you have to make careful decision before purchase.
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About One plus 3 - It is very strong device,its perfomance is strong in every department,and is above the money you pay .
and that Dash Charge its awesome, ridiculously fast ,70 minutes and is goes from zero to hero

For me it's all about development. This device is more stable, faster and nicer than my previous g3. S7 is fine phone and even tw improve a lot, but on open phone, there are unlimited possibilities, on s7 you have just one.

drummerman said:
You certainly will notice the difference of the Op3's Pen Tile 1080p Amoled display compared with a QuadHD Amoled, even in normal use. That's in direct comparison. Use the Op3 for a while and you likely forget.
As to value, the OP3 is clearly better value than £600 flagships but for me, the benefits the S7(E) has are worth the extra. (I cycle a lot and the water resistance is incredibly useful as is the bright screen).
If the above is not too important I'd thoroughly recommend the OnePlus.
(Still, mine is provisionally sold and soon on its way to its new and probably happy owner).
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I would agree that side-by-side you can tell a difference, but it's irrelevant for day to day use.
Also, far more noticeable is the difference in both DPI, and in colors (unless you enable sRGB mode on both phones).

No dash charging on custom ROMs sucks, but OP should be releasing source code for this later this month right?
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I can't speak for other countries, I live in The Netherlands for the record.
Now, the big plus for me is the price.
The oneplus 3 only costed me € 399,-
If I were to look for other flagships, I would look at these prices
Galaxy S7 : € 650,- on average
Nexus 6P : € 530,- on average
LG G5 : € 550,- on average
Now my last phone was a 2013 Nexus 5 and honestly I didn't feel that upgrading to a 5X was worth it.
But then if i look at other flagships, prices around here seem to rise exponentially.
Yes, ofc I think that an S7 is a great phone, but € 250,- better on average? (Considering all the bloatware you get with it, Its really not worth that much more. Also no support for development really with locked bootloaders.)
Pro's
- Clean version of android with more features
- No bloatware
- 6GB of RAM (For people who say RAM doesn't matter, try using a Nexus 9 Tablet with its 2GB of memory with a 64-bit OS. You will want to throw the thing out of your window before the end of the day.)
- price to value
- great fingerprint scanner
Cons
- only 1 place where you can buy it (online)
- doesn't have all the features like an S7 has (water resistant etc. )
- Slower updates compared to a Nexus device
- No option to use a schedule for "Do Not Disturb", instead you have a slider. (I like the slider but why the **** did they take out the damn scheduler. I like my downtime every night from 23:00 till around 07:00, Now I have to do it manually.)

Let me just add bad camera quality on custom ROMs.
Hopefully Oneplus will release the camera apk
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HomTom HT10 - Hands on review of the budget-friendly Helio X20 device

Hi All,
First review so please be kind. I have also posted this at Mod Edit: Link removed.
HomTom HT10 - The eyes have it?
HomTom is a brand who are trying to make a name for themselves by releasing devices at a low price point with interesting features. In reality, HomTom is a subdivision of DooGee so there is shared experience in making decent devices at a reasonable price. I've owned a few lower spec DooGee phones in the past and have found them reasonable given the price tag so will be interested to see how the HomTom HT10 can make a name for itself with a top end set of specifications.
Key Spec:
SoC MediaTek Helio X20 10 Core
CPU 2 x 2.3GHz, 4 x 2.0GHz, 4 x 1.4GHz
GPU Mali T880, 700MHz
RAM 4GB, 933MHz
Storage 32GB + SD Slot
Screen 5.5 inch, 1920x1080, 401ppi
Camera Rear: 21MP, Front: 8MP
Battery 3200mAh
The HT10 is touted as coming with the same Iris Recognition technology that the ill-fated Samsung Note 7 utilised.
Unboxing
The HT10 comes in a plain dark blue box with HomTom branding and with slight wood effect. Opening the box reveals the phone, charger and cable. You don't get any headphones in the package which I'm fine with but the overall impression of the packaging seems a little dated.
A tab reveals a 'secret drawer' containing a wood-effect flip case, and very rudimentary and superfluous instruction booklet.
The flip case actually replaces the removable back cover so doesn't add a great deal of extra weight or size to the HT10 which was a nice touch, though the front is just a simple flap, there is no magnetic magic to keep it shut. final point to note is that this had a screen protector installed which is a bonus.
On the whole a rather boring retail box, I'm not swayed by such things but may be pretty underwhelming for some.
Hardware
Looks-wise the HT10 reminds me of my old Samsung Galaxy S2. A fairly inoffensive shape, with an array of sensors and notification LED at the top and off screen buttons at the bottom.
The first major whinge here is that the buttons are not back-lit, in this day and age this is only excusable in the cheapest of budget phones and certainly at this price point, for a manufacturers top device this is a total no no.
On the top of the phone is a trusty 3.5mm audio jack, and at the bottom we find a standard micro-usb port, 2 speaker grilles and the microphone. On the right side is the power button and volume control.
The screen features the now obligatory '2.5d' glass curving at the edges, and is a decent size though there is a slight element of cheating as there is probably 1mm of black space around the viewable screen meaning that the visible bezels are artificially small.
The rear of the phone has the camera, another microphone and a single LED flash. Again that is a little disappointing as the standard for a top spec phone these days is to have dual-LED flash at least. The back panel is removable and rather cheap feeling plastic, but there are no creaks or areas which depress under pressure.
The sides of the phone are made from metal and look nice - mainly matte silver with a beveled shiny edge. The power/volume buttons seem to have a little lateral play though and could perhaps be slightly better sized to give a more premium feel.
In terms of look and feel I think HomTom have done a reasonable job here. Nothing groundbreaking or uber premium, but it looks and feels nice enough.
Software
The HT10 runs a skinned version of Android 6.0 which seems to be called HomTom Fire. This has inexplicably altered some of the generic Google App icons, such as Play Store and Maps, and as per the majority of import phones does away with the App Drawer in favour of having all apps accessible from the main screens. Though this is what any iPhone user has to deal with, many Android users find this a difficult concept to deal with, but a solution would be to use a third party launcher such as Google Now or Nova. The other option of course is just dealing with it!
There is not a great amount of bloatware on the device which is refreshing, and the majority of what's there can be uninstalled anyway.
Display
I was impressed with the display HomTom have provided for the HT10. Everything looks crisp and clear. The screen is capable of going very bright and I had it set on auto-brightness defaulting to around 40%, and had no issues both at night or in bright sunlight. I could find no evidence of light bleed on my unit which you might expect from a 'budget' device.
Performance
This is where the HT10 really excels. The HT10 comes out very well against more established flagship phones using the main benchmark apps.
Geekbench results below.
Device - Single Core - Multi Core
Oneplus 3 - 1698 - 4015
HT10 - 1655 - 3298
Huawei Nexus 6P - 1212 - 2848
Antutu results below.
Device - Score
Huawei Honor 8 - 94164
HT10 - 87631
Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge - 81087
What this shows us is that the HT10 benchmarks very well against phones that are more than twice the price. The Helio X20 SoC that powers the device definitely seems to hit the sweet spot, and we can presume that it's just the Mali GPU that is hindering the scores, but this shouldn't make too much difference if you're not a hardcore gamer
Obviously statistics don't really tell the full story but I've had no issues whatsoever in daily operation of the HT10. I can run all the apps I want with no discernible slowdown.
Iris Recognition Unlocking
Of course the elephant in the room that I've not discussed as yet is the HT10's USP, the 'Second Generation Iris Recognition Unlocking'. What this means in reality is that to unlock the phone you press the power button, then look at the screen. A small window opens up to show you what the iris recognition camera can see, and will tell you to move closer or further away if required. The iris recognition function was present in the top end Lumias released last year, but they were hardly big sellers, and the less said about the Galaxy Note 7 which also has this feature the better.
Apparently iris recognition is much more secure than fingerprint scanners, though I thought fingerprints were unique so I'm not really sure why the wheel needed to be reinvented. The iris recognition works perfectly well in standard light and even darkness, but is very flaky in even moderate sunlight outside. If the iris recognition is unable to match, you are reverted to the standard pin unlock, however irritatingly you still need to confirm the pin meaning an extra screen press when most devices now will unlock automatically after a the right pin is input.
Another annoyance is that the iris unlock takes precedence on the 'unlock screen', so if you are used to your music app telling you what song is playing on this screen you will need to unlock the phone in order to see this.
Overall, this feature is not a disaster, in fact it is certainly pretty cool and definitely (mostly) unique thing to have. I just wish it worked a bit better, and remain to be convinced that it in any way improves on fingerprint unlocking.
Camera
Unfortunately even though the camera in the HT10 (IMX230 Exmor RS) is the same as the one in the best camera phone I've ever owned, the Honor 7, the results from the HT10 were patchy to say the least.
In a well lit situation I could get some of the best photos I've ever got from an 'import phone' (though still miles away from the Honor 7's quality), but as soon as the lighting conditions were less than perfect the photos suffered massively.
In low light both inside and out photos had very poor detailing, with a flattening of features and a watercolour effect.
Hopefully HomTom will be able to resolve this with a software update, as well as the annoying bug which caused the LED flash to activate all the time in auto-flash mode, even in bright sunlight.
If anyone can advise the best way for me to share images I will do this
Other features
Battery life on the HT10 is pretty good. While I'm no power user I managed to get through every day with plenty to spare, at worst I managed to get it down to around 40%, but through general internet/app use and listening to music you'll have no issues at all. The device does apparently feature 'Pump Express' fast charging, but in reality I found it quite slow to charge the 3200 mAH, it took about 3 hours to complete a full charge from flat, though this may be because the charger supplied was not UK spec so I had to use a different one.
Connectivity is fine, I had no issues with my wireless speeds or range, and could get 4G everywhere that I'd expect. The HT10 is touted as a 'Global 4G' phone so all in all the connectivity gets a thumbs up. Bluetooth connected quickly and worked fine in my car for both music and phone functionality.
GPS worked absolutely fine both driving and walking. MediaTek phones have caused me a lot of woe in the past due to poorly performing GPS so they have clearly upped their game.
Music sounded fine through headphones. The loudspeaker is a little flat for music and could be louder for calls but even still it is acceptable.
Conclusion
Taken as a complete package the HT10 really does take some beating for the price. The Iris Recognition seems slightly pointless, and the camera performance isn't anywhere near flagship standard, but in every other area the HT10 performed well, so much so that it has become my 'daily driver' when not reviewing other devices.
Score: 8.5/10
Price when reviewed £199
Review sample kindly supplied by those lovely chaps at LightInTheBox. Head over to Mod Edit: Selling site link removed. for the cheapest price available!

Got myself a HT10 and I agree in your conclusion, but I experienced some touch freeze and poor LTE reception from time to time.
I really hope they fix the camera software asap. The quality is a deal breaker as for now, but the videoquality is strangely very good.

Thanks for the comment.
I've had one occasion where an area of the screen seemed to be unresponsive but this was resolved with a restart. I've not had any 4g problems but am in built up areas most of the time.
The camera performance is the biggest issue and if not resolved would be the one thing that turns me off this device, fingers crossed that it can be solved by an update.

recently bought the Ht10 super great phone feels amazing but i cannot get it to connect to verizons network to call, text or browse any ideas on how to get it working

My main complaints with the HomTom HT10
HARDWARE ISSUES
compass isn't available
NFC isn't available (it was advertised but removed!)
OTG isn't available (it was advertised but removed!)
network reception is bad (3G/4G)
Wi-Fi reception is bad (3G/4G)
not detecting/connecting 5Ghz Wi-Fi networks
audio speaker quality (distortion and not enough bass)
battery losing energy way too quickly
camera quality is bad on low light situation
SOFTWARE ISSUES
- battery saving mode is too aggressive (cannot easily modified for a bunch of Apps)
languages preferences are lost if IDLE or turned off (if you set french language it will comeback later to Netherlands. it could be because Belgium country has multiple official languages (french/nederlands/dutch) or if because the smartphone was shipped from .nl post)
- defaults apps choice in settings is too limited
- If you choose to protect your device with a password (PIN/password/pattern) for intrusion your device is going to freeze and you will have to reboot !
- hardware navigation buttons cannot be modified / edited
- HomTom OS is much less complete than MIUI8 (or even UMI OS)
MAJOR MISC PROBLEM:
There is no official forum to post bugs reports !
There is no updates or fixes for those issues announced.
There is no tutorials yet to flash/root.

Yes, same problem here....
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I tried this version: V4.9.7
by this file: NewKingrootV4.9.7_C152_B341_xda_release_2016_11_14 _20161115194410_105243.apk
IMPORTANT NOTE:
1) I find some bloatware that doesnt wipe out neither with a factory reset
2) the root is factoryreset resistant.
3) Some issue with Wathsapp only when sending stored images.
Best regards!
If you are happy with this please tnx me!
If you have trouble, please share!

Kingroot did not work for me
Westboy82 said:
Yes, same problem here....
Very HORRIBLE DEAL!!!
One Solution to ROOT FIND ! ! !
KingRoot apk finally works !!!
I tried this version: V4.9.7
by this file: NewKingrootV4.9.7_C152_B341_xda_release_2016_11_14 _20161115194410_105243.apk
IMPORTANT NOTE:
1) I find some bloatware that doesnt wipe out neither with a factory reset
2) the root is factoryreset resistant.
3) Some issue with Wathsapp only when sending stored images.
Best regards!
If you are happy with this please tnx me!
If you have trouble, please share!
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This method did not work for me, anyone else has any other suggestions on how to root this device?

Please double check the process, is the only way right now to root our Toilet-phone :fingers-crossed:
PS the updated version of the kingroot is here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=22115

Whats Missing or a Gain in Moto Z Play Over your Previous Phone?

What feature - functionality you feel is missing or is a big gain over you previous phone in your Moto Z Play?
I am yet to get the Z Play and currently having Moto Z 2nd gen which will go in exchange one the shipment arrives.
Missing things:
The things I could get from reviews that which I feel I will miss over my current phone are:
1. Form factor: Moto X 2 has got one of the best screen to form ratio. It has got thin bezzles at side as well as top and bottom. Z play has got massive bezzles at top and bottom making it a massive device over the X 2 without gaining significant screen area.
2. Noise cancellation mics: Moto X 2 has got 4 mics whereas Z Play seem to have 3. I always get crispy audio quality while recording videos. Never got any wind noise even in outdoor video. I doubt if Z Play will be able to do the same.
3. Infrared sensors for Moto Display: I can wake up Moto display withou touching it even in dark becasue of the infrared sensor on the face of it. Mot display feature is there in Z Play as well but can the display be woken up in the dark?
4. Attentive Display: Screen won't dim or shut off in X2 when users keeps seeing onto it. Didn't find any source mentioning if its available in Z Play.
5. Extruded bumper protectors on both speaker grills to protect screen: Not available in Z Play, even in any other phone that X2. And they have really helped in my case during few drops and also save the screen from getting scratched.
6. Loudspeaker audio quality: Its loud and crispy clear n X2. I have even stopped using hands-free audio system speaker feature in my car and feel the phone's speaker is enough. But the Z Play has got mixed kind of opinions on loudspeaker. Few even say the same speaker component is shared between earpiece and loudspeaker. If so then its very bad.
Gains:
1. Battery Life
2. Camera Quality
3. Fingerprint sensor Never used any screen lock so not a real gain but maybe I start using protection since I find fingerprint unlocking more convenient than entering pins or patterns.
4. Moto mods compatibility Not really interested at the moment so not a gain for me.
Overall I feel my loses are more than the gains.
What you guys feel when you compare the Z Play with your previous phones?

I changed from a Moto G 1st Gen so quite a lot of gains.

from x style to z play
loose stereo speaker, gain JBL speaker
loose 21mp camera, gain professional camera
loose 2k mon, gain battery life
loose 5.5 inch screen, gain hand grip
but i m using both for daily driver, so no concern lol

I am coming from OnePlus One to Moto Z Play
What I MIss
CyanogenMod
Developer Support for device (although this will pick up with time, but not like OPO)
Sultanxda
Loud speaker volume (Moto Z Play has a really low volume)
Notification LED
What I Gained
AMOLED screen
Fingerprint sensor
Monster battery life
Better camera (Laser Autofocus)
Metallic body
Dual Sim with VoLTE (Indian version)
Front camera flash

I come from a Moto G 2014, so every single thing is a gain. Except for the lack of stereo speakers. But it has a much better battery life, a much better screen, much better camera, much better headphone output, much better construction and a much better SoC. Can't complain at all.

Moto X Pure > Moto Z Play
Missing: QHD display, stereo spearkers, CDMA compatibility
Gain: Super Amoled display, Moto Mods, crazy battery life, usb type c, similar performing but more efficient processor, finger print sensor, laser autofocus
Edit: LTE works flawlessly on the Moto Z Play.

Jack Sparrow xda said:
5. Extruded bumper protectors on both speaker grills to protect screen: Not available in Z Play, even in any other phone that X2. And they have really helped in my case during few drops and also save the screen from getting scratched.
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Hello moto. Moto x pure has speakers grills that protect glass when faced down. Willing to bet the pure has louder speakers. And are you sure it had 4 noise cancelling mics? Sometimes when a phone has multiple mics they serve different purposes and moto isn't known for the best noise cancellation. iPhone and phones that use audience tend to do very well than Qualcomm's on chip offering.

@rbiter said:
Hello moto. Moto x pure has speakers grills that protect glass when faced down. Willing to bet the pure has louder speakers. And are you sure it had 4 noise cancelling mics? Sometimes when a phone has multiple mics they serve different purposes and moto isn't known for the best noise cancellation. iPhone and phones that use audience tend to do very well than Qualcomm's on chip offering.
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As per the specs I remember, Moto X 2nd gen (2014 version having 801 krait) has 4 mics and they are to help better noise cancelation as well as stereo recording.
I always got great life like audio quality in my videos recorded through this phone without any interfering wind noise etc like what we usually get when record video on most of the phones and cameras. Though i haven't been on other side of my X2 so can't tell how does it sound but never heard any complaints from other people hearing me.
I don't think iPhones have good mic setup or any cutting edge tech. One of my friend whom i regularly talk has iPhone6 and I struggle many a times hearing him compard to many other people having other phones whome I regulrly talk. Even network reception is not good on his iP6 and he keeps swithing service providers.
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@rbiter said:
...and moto isn't known for the best noise cancellation....
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this is very wrong
motorola started with noise cancelation in their phones many years before anyone else (in past, they called it crystal talk)
not to mention Bluetooth headsets which are always top notch regarding noise cancelation

Just because they started it doesn't mean it is great in their phones. And wasn't talking about Bluetooth. Last Motorola Bluetooth earpiece I bought many many moons ago stopped working after 3 months. And it wasn't cheap.
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Jack Sparrow xda said:
As per the specs I remember, Moto X 2nd gen (2014 version having 801 krait) has 4 mics and they are to help better noise cancelation as well as stereo recording.
I always got great life like audio quality in my videos recorded through this phone without any interfering wind noise etc like what we usually get when record video on most of the phones and cameras. Though i haven't been on other side of my X2 so can't tell how does it sound but never heard any complaints from other people hearing me.
I don't think iPhones have good mic setup or any cutting edge tech. One of my friend whom i regularly talk has iPhone6 and I struggle many a times hearing him compard to many other people having other phones whome I regulrly talk. Even network reception is not good on his iP6 and he keeps swithing service providers.
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iPhone noise cancelation is a mixed bag. Wind noise is harder to cut. Also, placmemt and type of mic used. And iPhone still uses a very low bitrate when recording videos. Eager to see if the lg v20 lives up to its promise of clear recording ecen at high dB.

Since I'm still using my 2013 Moto X, anything is an upgrade.

Gain
- battery life. Coming from a 2 year old Note 4 that could barely get me to lunch, I was amazed yesterday to get from 6am to 3am with 40% batter remaining. Moderate use throughout the day, bit of gaming, bit of surfing etc.
Missing
- Miracast/ Screen mirroring. I used this all the time with my Note and Roku. I have no idea how to watch Kodi now so any advice would be gladly received.
Cheers

Battery life is only a hair worse than note4, but sometimes better. I got 6h58m SOT first full charge. 5.5h second charge in a more demanding environment but also had 15% left. Exceeded my expectations for battery and some might do better. Does screen sharing work for the above poster. Haven't tried it yet.

too big display for me, so maybe I will change it back too iPhone 6 xD
also I don't like "shh", which you can hear time by time when music or other sounds are on the low volume level

Love this phone
Coming from note 5
lost
1. Bigger screen and better resolution.
2.Best camera I have used on mobile phone.
3.Note 5 aesthetics are top notch.
gained
1. Battery Life no more 3hrs on screen time.
2. Fingerprint sensor way better than note 5.
3.Expanded storage through micro sd.
4.No att samsung bloatware
Overall the battery life on this phone just makes me love it more than any previous phone owned. Plus moto software it always on point form me :good: Also forgot to way less lag even with less processing power than note 5

Lost: RAM and a few steps on the camera quality scale. Dash charging.
Gained: Battery life
I came from a OnePlus 3. The drop in RAM is noticeable. I feel like almost every time I try to multitask and switch back to an app it refreshes on me. Also been very disappointed in the camera quality on the MZP. Battery life (my #1 priority) has made up for those 2 faults though.

Cons compared to Nexus 6:
-Had a slightly better camera in HDR mode. Particularly because of OIS
-Was nicer to hold.
-Android 7.0
-Higher resolution screen was a little nicer for VR.
-Used to have front facing stereo speakers.
Pros:
-Tripled battery life.
-Fingerprint reader.
-Style mods.
-Smaller screen (I have big hands and the N6 was still a touch too big)
-Dual tone flash.
-Front facing flash.
-No strange colour cast when the screen is dimmed.
-More responsive camera
Performance is sort of an outlier, since I think it's about the same. I think the Nexus 6 may have even been a bit faster.

_jfo_ said:
Lost: RAM and a few steps on the camera quality scale. Dash charging.
Gained: Battery life
I came from a OnePlus 3. The drop in RAM is noticeable. I feel like almost every time I try to multitask and switch back to an app it refreshes on me. Also been very disappointed in the camera quality on the MZP. Battery life (my #1 priority) has made up for those 2 faults though.
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I just don't understand why people have such an insane amount of apps open, don't you ever close anything? 3gb is pretty much the standard.

_jfo_ said:
Lost: RAM and a few steps on the camera quality scale. Dash charging.
Gained: Battery life
I came from a OnePlus 3. The drop in RAM is noticeable. I feel like almost every time I try to multitask and switch back to an app it refreshes on me. Also been very disappointed in the camera quality on the MZP. Battery life (my #1 priority) has made up for those 2 faults though.
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Probably the ram management and how the app is programmed. Like xda doesn't like to stay in ram. Seems it wants to reload 80% of the time when you come back to it.

coolkingler1 said:
I just don't understand why people have such an insane amount of apps open, don't you ever close anything? 3gb is pretty much the standard.
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Yea, it's insane that this happens when I have 3 or 4 apps running....

Flossy Carter Review

Have been hearing mostly bad things about this device since it's release but just watched this review from Flossy Carter who says this is the best mid range phone out there.
I've been looking for a device that has all this phone has,
Interested to know your opinions,
Is this similar to your experiences ?
Link to review:

manus31 said:
Have been hearing mostly bad things about this device since it's release but just watched this review from Flossy Carter who says this is the best mid range phone out there.
I've been looking for a device that has all this phone has,
Interested to know your opinions,
Is this similar to your experiences ?
Link to review:
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It is the best midrange phone. Here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
1) Absolutely gorgeous 6.7" AMOLED screen. So sharp, vivid and bright with superb inky blacks. Bezels are so slim giving the phone a sleek immersive design.
2) Performance is superb. SD675 with One UI is fantastic. Everything is so smooth and lag free and it runs every game with high graphics and zero lag.
3) Battery life is excellent. I'm getting 10 hours screen on time. The 25w fast charger is amazing, it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes to get a full charge.
4) Audio quality through headphones is superb, clean and loud, with dolby atmos supported. In ear headphones which come supplied in the box are very good.
5) Complete package: NFC, Samsung Pay, Always On Display, Navigation Gestures, Dark mode etc.
CONS:
1) Camera low light performance is poor. But this can be fixed with Gcam's Night Mode. Video quality is average and lacks stablization making footage almost unusable. (Can be improved with software update)
2) On screen fingerprint scanner is slow and inaccurate (can be improved with software update)
3) Face Unlock is fast and accurate but it works even with closed eyes (can be fixed with software update)
3) Front panel has Gorilla Glass 3 protection only. At this price point you would expect atleast Gorilla Glass 5. Back panel and frame are plastic but they feel good in the hand nevertheless.
4) No stereo speakers. Speakers audio output is OK, could have been better.
5) 20:1 aspect ratio is a stupid decision from Samsung. Most videos have big black bars on both sides. You need to zoom in to make them full screen which sucks big time.

In general use, as a navigation aid, browsing, music, watching video and making the odd call it is a very good phone. Having used it a couple of weeks I don't regret buying it. Battery has been very good which is one of the main reasons I got it. I haven't had to test the fast charging because it has easily lasted the day, every day.
I don't find the fingerprint that problematic and use it as the only method to unlock the phone except when a password is a required on reboot. I can understand why some are frustrated with it but with a bit of work and practice it works well for me in a second or under 95% of the time and works second or third time on other occasions. It never causes me more than a few seconds pause. A firmware update is apparently on the way to improve it further.
I only use the camera for the odd snap when out and about and it seems fine but I didn't buy it as a video cam or for low light photos and have never used it as such.

Sufyan3D said:
It is the best midrange phone. Here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
1) Absolutely gorgeous 6.7" AMOLED screen. So sharp, vivid and bright with superb inky blacks. Bezels are so slim giving the phone a sleek immersive design.
2) Performance is superb. SD675 with One UI is fantastic. Everything is so smooth and lag free and it runs every game with high graphics and zero lag.
3) Battery life is excellent. I'm getting 10 hours screen on time. The 25w fast charger is amazing, it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes to get a full charge.
4) Audio quality through headphones is superb, clean and loud, with dolby atmos supported. In ear headphones which come supplied in the box are very good.
5) Complete package: NFC, Samsung Pay, Always On Display, Navigation Gestures, Dark mode etc.
CONS:
1) Camera low light performance is poor. But this can be fixed with Gcam's Night Mode. Video quality is average and lacks stablization making footage almost unusable. (Can be improved with software update)
2) On screen fingerprint scanner is slow and inaccurate (can be improved with software update)
3) Face Unlock is fast and accurate but it works even with closed eyes (can be fixed with software update)
3) Front panel has Gorilla Glass 3 protection only. At this price point you would expect atleast Gorilla Glass 5. Back panel and frame are plastic but they feel good in the hand nevertheless.
4) No stereo speakers. Speakers audio output is OK, could have been better.
5) 20:1 aspect ratio is a stupid decision from Samsung. Most videos have big black bars on both sides. You need to zoom in to make them full screen which sucks big time.
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Thanks for the reply,good list there and pretty much what Id expect.i was quite impressed watching the flossy Carter review, especially with the camera,seems to be some EIS stabilisation for certain video modes. The fingerprint seems to be an annoyance,. Not do much a problem with face unlock.Gorilla glass 3 is bot of a bummer also
I hear there is an A70s coming in the second part of the year,complete with the world's first 64mp camera on a phone,
Might be worth waiting for

manus31 said:
Thanks for the reply,good list there and pretty much what Id expect.i was quite impressed watching the flossy Carter review, especially with the camera,seems to be some EIS stabilisation for certain video modes. The fingerprint seems to be an annoyance,. Not do much a problem with face unlock.Gorilla glass 3 is bot of a bummer also
I hear there is an A70s coming in the second part of the year,complete with the world's first 64mp camera on a phone,
Might be worth waiting for
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I read it in the news today, hope there will be other improvements other than the 64mp camera.
The upcoming Xiaomi K20 looks very promising, with smaller screen and battery though. I'm waiting for the Xiaomi Mi Max 4, a real multimedia monster. If they stick to LCD it's a no buy for me.

That review is great, "from zero to ten this phone is a major go" lmao

robgee789 said:
That review is great, "from zero to ten this phone is a major go" lmao
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He does good reviews, I think the amount of majors before the go is relevant to how good the phone is.i think he gave this one 3 majors,not sure.would need to watch it again

manus31 said:
He does good reviews, I think the amount of majors before the go is relevant to how good the phone is.i think he gave this one 3 majors,not sure.would need to watch it again
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Shout out to white shoes lol
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Seriously he should do a review on white shoes

badrsj said:
Seriously he should do a review on white shoes
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White shoes is a major, major go
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Have to laugh every very time he picks up a phone and says feels good in the hands,
"Ladies you know the procedures"

If a70 is a good phone by any reviewer then they have not considered some of the features which should be present at this price point.
If this is a good phone, then any phone in this price should stand good.
Major cons are
Speakers sound is very low. Have to be 80% or more. it is not loud at all.
6.7 Inch screen is good for nothing.
Type c is only for charging and no additional features.
Camera quality, it is better if we don't talk much on it.
Slow motion and super slow motion are useless.
They are just for marketing and not for use.

6.7 inch screen is great for games as you still have plenty of screen left in middle while your thumbs cover the edges, it's also great for movies it's almost the exact ratio for them
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This or Reno 2?

No brainer question, right? Well, sort of. I'm looking for a decent phone for my wife and considering the market option in SEA, I'm really having a hard time which one to get. Most people would straight away said OP7T got SD855+ and 90Hz display and you're stupid not to get it. So, I'm trying to out-weight one with another and here is my reason-to-have for each phone. Please add in your reasons as well. In Singapore market the prices for both phones are exactly the same at S$899.
OP7T
Pros:
SD855+ for performance
90Hz fluid AMOLED screen
better real-life camera performance (according to the reviews I've watched)
Water-resistant (But no official IP rating)
Android 10 OOTB
OxygenOS (I preferred it more to the ColorOS)
Regular software updates (and quite fast to get new OS as well)
Optical SuperMacro mode.
Cons:
that nipple notch on top of the screen.
12 months installment plan only. (gonna cost me about S$75 a month)
Poor battery life (thanks to the SD855+ and 90Hz display)
ugly camera bump. (do they really have to do that?)
no ultra-wide lens.
no headphone jack. (bummer)
no FM Radio (not a big deal for my wife though)
Oppo Reno2
Pros:
absolute full-screen display
flush camera setup design
that shark-fin pop-up selfie cam
better battery life (thanks to SD730G and 60Hz display)
24 months installment plan (about $33 per month)
stunning overall body design and colors.
ultra-wide lens + 3x telephoto lens
better on-paper camera specs
Cons:
no water resistant (especially when the shark-fin is popped up)
weaker Chip
No 90Hz display
Android 9
ColorOS

OnePlus 7t, it doesn't have poor battery life either
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spiderx_mm said:
No brainer question, right? Well, sort of. I'm looking for a decent phone for my wife and considering the market option in SEA, I'm really having a hard time which one to get. Most people would straight away said OP7T got SD855+ and 90Hz display and you're stupid not to get it. So, I'm trying to out-weight one with another and here is my reason-to-have for each phone. Please add in your reasons as well. In Singapore market the prices for both phones are exactly the same at S$899.
OP7T
Pros:
SD855+ for performance
90Hz fluid AMOLED screen
better real-life camera performance (according to the reviews I've watched)
Water-resistant (But no official IP rating)
Android 10 OOTB
OxygenOS (I preferred it more to the ColorOS)
Regular software updates (and quite fast to get new OS as well)
Optical SuperMacro mode.
Cons:
that nipple notch on top of the screen.
12 months installment plan only. (gonna cost me about S$75 a month)
Poor battery life (thanks to the SD855+ and 90Hz display)
ugly camera bump. (do they really have to do that?)
no ultra-wide lens.
no headphone jack. (bummer)
no FM Radio (not a big deal for my wife though)
Oppo Reno2
Pros:
absolute full-screen display
flush camera setup design
that shark-fin pop-up selfie cam
better battery life (thanks to SD730G and 60Hz display)
24 months installment plan (about $33 per month)
stunning overall body design and colors.
ultra-wide lens + 3x telephoto lens
better on-paper camera specs
Cons:
no water resistant (especially when the shark-fin is popped up)
weaker Chip
No 90Hz display
Android 9
ColorOS
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The OnePlus 7t does NOT have poor battery life. IDK where you heard that from. The other phone you speak of has an interior processor and I'm sure it will not get updates as fast as a OnePlus phone.
Also the tear drop notch is actually good looking IMO.
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OuncE718 said:
The OnePlus 7t does NOT have poor battery life. IDK where you heard that from. The other phone you speak of has an interior processor and I'm sure it will not get updates as fast as a OnePlus phone.
Also the tear drop notch is actually good looking IMO.
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Multiple reviews on YouTube and other tech review websites reported OP7T only got about 6 Hr SOT on light usage (just browsing Facebook, YouTube etc, ) and 4.5~5 hr SOT involving some gaming. Most of them blaming the SD855+ and 90Hz display is the main cause. Yes, the Reno2 got SD730G that you might say inferior, but it yield longer battery life than the 855+.
As a P20 Pro user myself, the notch looks better than my P20 Pro or any other iPhones, but the real full-screen display is really showing off, and that popping-up shark-fin is the wow factor. .
Have to agree on the updates though. OnePlus is the best in pushing down newest updates. Even the sister brand (Oppo) can't match it.

Don't worry about battery life... 7T for the win!

battery life isn't poor. Notch actually looks nice, too small to be an annoyance. If you make any sense you'd put a case on it anyway, so camera hump isnt a factor at least for me.
And nothing beats the OxygenOS, if you compare it to an Oppo.....well

spiderx_mm said:
Multiple reviews on YouTube and other tech review websites reported OP7T only got about 6 Hr SOT on light usage (just browsing Facebook, YouTube etc, ) and 4.5~5 hr SOT involving some gaming. Most of them blaming the SD855+ and 90Hz display is the main cause. Yes, the Reno2 got SD730G that you might say inferior, but it yield longer battery life than the 855+.
As a P20 Pro user myself, the notch looks better than my P20 Pro or any other iPhones, but the real full-screen display is really showing off, and that popping-up shark-fin is the wow factor. .
Have to agree on the updates though. OnePlus is the best in pushing down newest updates. Even the sister brand (Oppo) can't match it.
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You will not be disappointed with battery life. Check the review section on XDA. There's one that speaks about battery life. Also the 30 watt charger that's included in the box will blow you away with how fast the phone charges.
I've owned/played with pretty much every flagship phone you can think of and I'd say this is hands down one of the best out right now. This IMO should of been the Pixel 4 XL.
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