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Which MI to get?

Hey everyone, I'm debating upgrading to xiaomi from my note 4. I could need some help deciding.
I don't really care which snapdragon it is. Both the 820 and 821 are a massive upgrade from my note and that's doing everything fine.
I'd like something smaller, but have no problem with 5,7" if there are benefits to it.
I'd like the opportunity for some kind of stockish rom. I don't flash daily anymore and am very familiar with miui since the original htc desire days. So miui is fine, but having the opportunity to go for lineage or aosp if i feel that way would be great.
So basically:
mi5s, mi5 or mi5s plus?
The mi5 64GB comes in at 277€
The mi5s 64GB is 307€
The mi5s Plus 64GB is 357€
Edit: I might also throw the Note 2 into the discussion. It's 200€ more expensive, but the bigger battery and the epic looks really are attractive.
My open questions: there is basically no development for the mi5s atm. Is there something to be expected? Is the mi5 still competitive or is it slowly eol? And for all options: Is the Ram upgrade to 4/6GB worth the price tag or is 3/4GB fine for you?
Any input to help me decide is greatly appreciated:good:

Mi5 has better camera for video (thanks to OIS) than Mi5s, otherwise they are very similar. Mi5 is longer out and thus has more chances for a custom rom. It does look like there will be some CM support (or whatever it is now called) for the Mi5s, there is one build here in the forum.
No idea about the 5s Plus.
Memory management is hard to say, but Android loves to have ram, so in general it's better to have more than less. Then again, this really depends on the ROM too.

domsch1988 said:
Hey everyone, I'm debating upgrading to xiaomi from my note 4. I could need some help deciding.
I don't really care which snapdragon it is. Both the 820 and 821 are a massive upgrade from my note and that's doing everything fine.
I'd like something smaller, but have no problem with 5,7" if there are benefits to it.
I'd like the opportunity for some kind of stockish rom. I don't flash daily anymore and am very familiar with miui since the original htc desire days. So miui is fine, but having the opportunity to go for lineage or aosp if i feel that way would be great.
So basically:
mi5s, mi5 or mi5s plus?
The mi5 64GB comes in at 277€
The mi5s 64GB is 307€
The mi5s Plus 64GB is 357€
Edit: I might also throw the Note 2 into the discussion. It's 200€ more expensive, but the bigger battery and the epic looks really are attractive.
My open questions: there is basically no development for the mi5s atm. Is there something to be expected? Is the mi5 still competitive or is it slowly eol? And for all options: Is the Ram upgrade to 4/6GB worth the price tag or is 3/4GB fine for you?
Any input to help me decide is greatly appreciated:good:
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If the screen doesn't bother you, I would buy the mi5.
: Better camera
Cm support
Deeper development here in XDA
PS: I have the mi5s plus 6gb 128 and I'm stuck in MIUI that I don't like very much. I going to continue to use my axon 7 until he has cm support
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nelnel002 said:
If the screen doesn't bother you, I would buy the mi5.
: Better camera
Cm support
Deeper development here in XDA
PS: I have the mi5s plus 6gb 128 and I'm stuck in MIUI that I don't like very much. I going to continue to use my axon 7 until he has cm support
Sent from my ZTE ZTE A2017G using XDA Labs
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Mi5 doesn't have better camera than mi5s!
The mi5 has OIS but apart of that nothing else is better. The MI5s camera makes much better photos.
In fact it's so fast that I almost never have to make a photo twice, I very rarely get a blurry picture.
I would get mi5s 64GB. The materials are much better.
CM is still WIP but when Xiaomi releases the kernel sources it will be a much better phone.
With the recent Stable Global rom it goes like butter, didn't notice any problems.
By the way, the MI5 is 257$, the 64GB mi5s is 288$ and the 128GB is 348$
Check there:
https://goldway.aliexpress.com/store/311331

I'm with @dabyd64.
Mi5s has better construction than Mi5 (Aluminum vs Ceramic).
Mi5s is a little heavier (around 15g) and around 1mm bigger at 3 axis (difficult to tell a diference side by side).
Mi5s and Google Pixel have the same camera sensor, one of best as today.
Mi5s take better photos and regarding video Mi5s have EIS (at 1080) that is working better than Mi5 with OIS.
It could be better if Xiaomi invest on image processing algoritm like google did on pixel mobile.
Right now, Mi5 has better comunity support because was released first, more users, and kernel sources already released by Xiaomi.
I doubt Mi5s will have better support than Mi5, but i'm pretty sure we get the major roms.
Mi5 has infrared and could work as a remote control, this is the unique feature loss on Mi5s.
For me, Mi5s all the way. I would avoid Mi5s plus, if you really want a proper dual camera implementation -> Huawei P9.
We have to understand that a dual camera solution is all about image processing. For me, Xiaomi implementation was a failure.
If you need 5.5" screen size i would go for oneplus 3t.
Mi Note 2 has an oled 5.7" curved screen with te same 1080 resolution, so lower pixel density.
I really hate curved screens, and it's a pain to protect those devices.
It has a bigger battery, but generally bigger screen more consume, on the other hand oled consume less than lcd, you have to analyse sot.
200€ more relatively to 300€ it's significative, i would say put 200€ aside for a new one later on.

Not OP, but I would like to say thanks to @BPSoft and the other people who answered this question, as I'm in the same boat right now. Want to upgrade from my Mi4, and considering Mi5 and Mi5s. But the price is too close.
Do you think it is worth waiting for Mi5s price to drop a little bit more before buying? I am not very keen on using it with MIUI8 (jury's out for future MIUI 9), so I would be waiting for a custom ROM (CM, AOSP, ...). What do you think?

Custom, somewhat stable, ROM could be a way off for the Mi 5s, as the kernel source hasn't been released yet. At least there is a global rom now for the Mi 5s, but I'm not sure if that can be bought preinstalled. Not a big thing, but maybe waiting one more week (until CES is over) might mean a tiny bit lower prices.

Mi5s is at its lowest price ever, though (about 265€ for me). So many decisions... but I think i'll go for it.
Even if not preinstalled you can always unlock bootloader and install the global ROM, corect?

This is correct. Actually, if you run the official China build, you can simply download the Recovery Rom to the phone, open the Updater app, select the rom and it will flash it. No unlock needed. Works also with some, but not all, "shop roms" (globalized non official builds).

I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.

domsch1988 said:
Currently the axon 7 is an option too.
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For a 5.5" screen size, i prefer Oneplus 3T, huge support here at XDA, 6GB Ram, SD821 instead of SD820, 64/128GB internal space, but without sd card support.
See here for a comparison:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8416&idPhone2=8067&idPhone3=7260
Regarding photo quality:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=8416&idPhone2=8067&idPhone3=7260
As you can see 20Mpx says nothing about picture quality :cyclops:
domsch1988 said:
But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I'm more optimistic, i expect "Mi6" release at March, like it was with Mi5. SD835 is expected. If i could, i would wait!

dabyd64 said:
Mi5 doesn't have better camera than mi5s!
The mi5 has OIS but apart of that nothing else is better. The MI5s camera makes much better photos.
In fact it's so fast that I almost never have to make a photo twice, I very rarely get a blurry picture.
I would get mi5s 64GB. The materials are much better.
CM is still WIP but when Xiaomi releases the kernel sources it will be a much better phone.
With the recent Stable Global rom it goes like butter, didn't notice any problems.
By the way, the MI5 is 257$, the 64GB mi5s is 288$ and the 128GB is 348$
Check there:
https://goldway.aliexpress.com/store/311331
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So it depends if you want OIS or faster capture. For my opinion cm development to mi5s Will take some time, soon we will have the mi6, so that's always the same thing , when we have some development there's another upgraded device that came out. We'll stay stock whit MIUI .
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domsch1988 said:
I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I have axon 7 too and it's my daily driver, that's another league. QHD AMOLED,3250mah battery, not stock but almost whit some nice features, stereo speakers whit Dolby Atmos, nice camera I would say a little better than op3. nice materials and naugat to the end of January.
Sent from my ZTE ZTE A2017G using XDA Labs

What I really liked is the screen / size ratio, I think it's one of the 'smaller' phones which still has really good specs, decent screen and of course dual sim.

domsch1988 said:
I want to thank everyone who gave their opinions. It's much appreciated.
So, if its xiaomi, mi5s it's going to be.
Currently the axon 7 is an option too. But, i'm debating squeezing some life out of the note 4 and waiting for those sd835 phones to hit the market. Might be mid year, that those come. And sure enough xiaomi will have a new mi with this SoC. Then, either it's cheap enough or the mi5s will get even cheaper... decisions, decisions.
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I'm going to do the exact same, wait for SD835 and if i don't think it's worth it ill buy a cheaper mi5s

is lenovo z2 plus worth buying?

i'm planning to buy a phone to keep for atleast 2 years., and i got 3 options. MiA1,Redmi Note 4 and Lenovo z2 plus . The primary requirement are battery life,reliable performance and decent camera. Due to it's powerful processor i thought of giving z2 plus a shot. therefore my questions are how is the battery life really? i'm not a gamer and i mostly browse web. I heard that the camera lens of z2 plus is plastic and scratches easily and is lenovo providing any software updates as of now ? because updates like Airtel VOLTE is much important for me if i'm going to use my phone for 2 years .

vishalaestro said:
i'm planning to buy a phone to keep for atleast 2 years., and i got 3 options. MiA1,Redmi Note 4 and Lenovo z2 plus . The primary requirement are battery life,reliable performance and decent camera. Due to it's powerful processor i thought of giving z2 plus a shot. therefore my questions are how is the battery life really? i'm not a gamer and i mostly browse web. I heard that the camera lens of z2 plus is plastic and scratches easily and is lenovo providing any software updates as of now ? because updates like Airtel VOLTE is much important for me if i'm going to use my phone for 2 years .
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Go for mia1(good camera) and z2+(performance)

First of all, to clarify, the camera lens on ZUK Z2 Plus is glass and not plastic, and matches the decent-level requirement you have. So you should definitely consider buying it over Mi A1 due to its superior processing power.

DeepChaudhari said:
First of all, to clarify, the camera lens on ZUK Z2 Plus is glass and not plastic, and matches the decent-level requirement you have. So you should definitely consider buying it over Mi A1 due to its superior processing power.
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you sure it's glass? since the lens on mine has micro scratches everywhere, although it's not as bad as some sony xperia lens

I am using Z2 Plus and I would agree, MiA1 has much better camera but it's priced higher at present compare to Z2 Plus.
Given the price of Z2 Plus, it's a steal deal if you can compromise with night or low light photography since under daylight, Z2 Plus camera works just fine.
The main attraction of Z2 Plus is the SoC. Nothing comes close to SD820+4GB combo unless you spend at least 3 times more to get the nearest 800 series competition.

Go with A1. That's all i will say. I have Z2 and my sister has A1. The performance difference is really negligible between 625 with clean android build and 820 with crap OS.

I have the same 'problem' but between MiA1 and Zuk Z2 (the normal one, not the plus).
I don't know which buy but I like the 5'' of the Zuk

I've Z2. And if it gets bricked. I would buy it again. It's all a matter of priorities. If you use camera like 15 Pictures Daily, don't but this phone. But if you want to own Flagship grade specs, feel how fast is 2.1 GHz and how much is 4GB RAM, know how fluid Android Experience can get, then buy ZUK.
Since you posted your question here, you'll come to the difference between 625 & 820.

d3vyarth said:
I've Z2. And if it gets bricked. I would buy it again. It's all a matter of priorities. If you use camera like 15 Pictures Daily, don't but this phone. But if you want to own Flagship grade specs, feel how fast is 2.1 GHz and how much is 4GB RAM, know how fluid Android Experience can get, then buy ZUK.
Since you posted your question here, you'll come to the difference between 625 & 820.
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So you have the plus one? Or the normal one?

maziu7 said:
So you have the plus one? Or the normal one?
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Z2Plus

d3vyarth said:
Z2Plus
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Well I think both models have the same processor, I don't really now which buy, Z2, Z2 plus or Mi A1

Just buy zuk z2.
Then unlock bootloader and flash any oreo rom with hdr+ enabled.
That ll solve your camera problem.
Camera is nt everything. Performance also matters.
And snap 820>>> 625

MiA1 very good camera avg battery
Redmi Note 4 jack of all, master of none, but good battery capacity
Lenovo z2 plus master of all minus low light camera and 5inch if you like,
you will have to use custom roms for updates and better performance at low budget you will get this.
so choose between priorities

Used RN4 first, it lacked the performance and camera. But had an awesome SOT 11HRS.
Then my friend's MiA1 for a week. The camera was awesome but battery was meh and performance was okayish.
Now rocking z2 plus, awesome performance with sub-par camera.

Are you a former A1 user and now using the A2?

Hi,
As I consider to purchase an A2 and I wonder which pros and cons there are from the perspective of a former A1 user.
Which are the improvements?
Which are the disappointments coming from an A1?
Thank you very much in advance
V

v said:
Hi,
As I consider to purchase an A2 and I wonder which pros and cons there are from the perspective of a former A1 user.
Which are the improvements?
Which are the disappointments coming from an A1?
Thank you very much in advance
V
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I had A1 before A2 lite. Here are pros and cons for A2 lite. I got A2 lite only because of size and smaller bezels, but i hope to upgrade to MI 9 SE if it'll have global launch.
Pros:
- larger display size
- smaller bezels
- smaller device size
- larger battery
Cons:
- micro USB
- almost none custom ROM development

skyline91 said:
I had A1 before A2 lite.
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Very useful comments.
Thank you very much!
v
PS: Does that bigger battery give you more milage?

v said:
Very useful comments.
Thank you very much!
v
PS: Does that bigger battery give you more milage?
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Yes, it gives you more mileage, but i think that full potential will be seen after we'll have custom ROMs.
Also i forgot to mention one more con: notch is sometimes annoying because when you have multiple icons/notifications in status bar it changes it to one dot because it doesn't have enough space for all icons and it's annoying when it does it almost every second for some period of time (because of network changes arrow or other changes). I don't know if you know what i'm talking about

skyline91 said:
I don't know if you know what i'm talking about
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I don't know if I know what you're talking about either.
Oh indeed, I can imagine that the small notification area is annoying.
It looks as If I keep my A1.
How do the cameras compare?
Thanks again!
v

v said:
I don't know if I know what you're talking about either.
Oh indeed, I can imagine that the small notification area is annoying.
It looks as If I keep my A1.
How do the cameras compare?
Thanks again!
v
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I don't use camera very often and when i do i use stock camera app. So i can't compare picture quality. On A1 i used gcam but as far i can see there isn't fully working gcam for Pie roms, so i'm too lazy to search for the best working cam app.

skyline91 said:
...i'm too lazy to search for the best working cam app.
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Here's another one.
That's why I never upgraded my A1 since Fall '18. Too lazy to sort this Pie stuff w/ GCAM which is a must compared to the crappy X stock cam app.
Missing the FM radio app though.
Today the A2 lite arrived. Liked on first glance but Pie is not my piece of cake.
I still miss the old HTC UI as it was on my HTC M7.
(Reminds me a little about how I felt when Windows became unavoidable after having used Apple ][ DOS, CPM, MS-DOS. )
Damned I sound like my lovely grandmother!

v said:
Here's another one.
That's why I never upgraded my A1 since Fall '18. Too lazy to sort this Pie stuff w/ GCAM which is a must compared to the crappy X stock cam app.
Missing the FM radio app though.
Today the A2 lite arrived. Liked on first glance but Pie is not my piece of cake.
I still miss the old HTC UI as it was on my HTC M7.
(Reminds me a little about how I felt when Windows became unavoidable after having used Apple ][ DOS, CPM, MS-DOS. )
Damned I sound like my lovely grandmother!
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I upgraded A1 to pie but i can't remember what i did with gcam :silly: and soon i bought a2 lite.
i think that stock aosp still doesn't have enough features like custom roms, aosp like lineage os would be great :laugh: and now miui looks very good, they have almost all aosp features + xiaomi ones
mi a2 lite would be perfect if they put features like amoled screen, nfc, usb type c. i was happy when mi8 se launched, but was very dissapointed when they annouced it will be only for china. so now i'm hoping mi9 se will be available for global market.
hahaha games for dos were dope.

About device Development

Hi , I wonder if this device will get support from our developers for custom ROMs as this will affect the decision of buying it or not .
I saw one plus 7 forum . sadly its so quiet and all focus gone to pro version . I'm afraid that may happen here

Win1droid1 said:
Hi , I wonder if this device will get support from our developers for custom ROMs as this will affect the decision of buying it or not .
I saw one plus 7 forum . sadly its so quiet and all focus gone to pro version . I'm afraid that may happen here
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Our phone is cheaper than the pro and has better features than the pro in some cases. I think we should be fine.
Not everybody likes a curved display, not everybody wants a front facing cam that pops out of a phone, etc.
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I liked the pop-up camera but not a fan of curved and rounded screens, plus this device is still new. Give it a little time

Win1droid1 said:
Hi , I wonder if this device will get support from our developers for custom ROMs as this will affect the decision of buying it or not .
I saw one plus 7 forum . sadly its so quiet and all focus gone to pro version . I'm afraid that may happen here
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Theoretically it should be fine soon.
There's slignificant diference between oneplus 7 and oneplus 7t. The first one hasn't been released in US and moreover it has received little to zero poublicity. On the other hand 7t received 99% of wow feedback from all smartphone reviewers.
IMHO it will be worse for Oneplus 7t Pro . It's iminor upgrade from 7 pro and it's not relased in us.

best stock rom for camera performance?

hello
i want ask wich is the best stock rom for camera performance and if there is how i can flash it
i m on the latest stable os and the camera quality is really bad in this phone and it seems that oneplus did not care about this problem and will not do anything to try improving their camera software
i also tried the new android 11 beta 1 and 2 nothing change
they make it worse than before
i papers we see a good camera setup but unfortunately the reality they only cheating people

Aures Batna said:
hello
i want ask wich is the best stock rom for camera performance and if there is how i can flash it
i m on the latest stable os and the camera quality is really bad in this phone and it seems that oneplus did not care about this problem and will not do anything to try improving their camera software
i also tried the new android 11 beta 1 and 2 nothing change
they make it worse than before
i papers we see a good camera setup but unfortunately the reality they only cheating people
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Try gcam ports by celsoazevedo

drshaheedbams said:
Try gcam ports by celsoazevedo
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check this
I no longer recommend OnePlus
I no longer recommend OnePlus if you want to use GCam.
www.celsoazevedo.com
i tried before gcam but nothing change
i sold the phone because it seem that oneplus will not do anything to try improve their camera quality in the next updates
waste a lot of money for this brand who dont deservit
i do not advice anyone to buy it espicially if someone looking for a good camera