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Browser doesn't handle scrollbars in web page?

Hi,
My TV-provider has an online tv-guide from which I am able to remotely control my PVR, to set future recordings etc.
However, this web page is designed with a horizontal scroll bar, and on my Desire I am unable to see or navigate that scroll bar, and hence it is more or less unuseable.
Try the link in a regular browser on the PC to see how it should work, and then try it on the phone. I've tried both Opera Mini and Dolphin in an emulator, but they both seems to suffer the same problem?
How can this be? Any assistance or insight will be very welcome!

The same problem here - on some pages (eg. Google Reader!) there are no scrolls available and no other possibility to scroll content or one can do it in some way that I don't know...

It seems that it doesn't handle any javascript scrollbars.
I though the webkit engine was top notch, but this is just stupid, and extremely annoying.

It's not to do with Javascript, it's a CSS issue.
When an element is set to have an overflow of "auto" or "scroll", the Android browser seems to treat this as "hidden" instead, hence no scrolling. Pretty bad oversight
There's a bug report here: code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2118

emdzej said:
The same problem here - on some pages (eg. Google Reader!) there are no scrolls available and no other possibility to scroll content or one can do it in some way that I don't know...
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Is there a reason you don't got to the mobile formatted Google Reader?

I had assumed this was an issue with ajax?
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Incendiary said:
It's not to do with Javascript, it's a CSS issue.
When an element is set to have an overflow of "auto" or "scroll", the Android browser seems to treat this as "hidden" instead, hence no scrolling. Pretty bad oversight
There's a bug report here: code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2118
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Is this why Facebook (non mobile) doesn't show "older posts" at the bottom of the page?

Incendiary said:
It's not to do with Javascript, it's a CSS issue.
When an element is set to have an overflow of "auto" or "scroll", the Android browser seems to treat this as "hidden" instead, hence no scrolling. Pretty bad oversight
There's a bug report here: code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2118
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Thanks for clearing this up, but I am completely miffed that they made such a huge mistake. It certainly breaks a whole lot of web pages!
Unfortunately, there seems to be no workaround either...

Birdsong Twitter App

y'all need to get birdsong for wp7. This is definitely the most complete twitter app to date.
1. Cache's your timeline so jumping back into twitter is quick.
2. Opens links in its own dedicated browser, so getting back into the app by pressing the back button is instant. The browser is nice, supports pinch to zoom, smooth scrolling, like IE without the address bar. You can open in IE as well but all links I have tested have worked very well.
3. Integrated twit pics, opens them right up in the app.
4. landscape support
5. threaded messaging, which can be useful if you carry on convo's on twitter.
6. Posting pics is as easy as starting a tweet then clicking on the camera soft button at the bottom. Pops it right in very quickly.
So far the only drawback I have heard of is that it doesn't geotag your pics/tweets, but I've never used that anyways. From what I've heard, great way for creeps to be able to know where you are (and where you aren't).
Great video here:
http://wpcentral.com/new-twitter-app-birdsong-first-look-video
I think beezz and seismic might be going away from my phone.
edit: found a little trick if you are towards the bottom of your timeline, tapping "home" at the top ("home" Mentions" "Messages"), brings you back to the top.

just downloaded this app, very nice,
I wish we had a twitter app for wp7 that would remember your place on the timeline, the good ones for iphone and android have that option
for example, if I don't check twitter for a day, when I check it I have 100+ new tweets, but the app starts at the top, with the newest tweet, and the only way to read them in order from oldest to newest is to guess where the spot is and scroll down down down
btw if you hit "home" it will take you to the top of the timeline

jmerrey said:
just downloaded this app, very nice,
I wish we had a twitter app for wp7 that would remember your place on the timeline, the good ones for iphone and android have that option
for example, if I don't check twitter for a day, when I check it I have 100+ new tweets, but the app starts at the top, with the newest tweet, and the only way to read them in order from oldest to newest is to guess where the spot is and scroll down down down
btw if you hit "home" it will take you to the top of the timeline
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yeah, I just added that to my first post.
I've complained about the timeline thing for a while now. I don't think any of the winmo twitter apps did that as well. Now it just needs live tile integration.

I prefer original Twitter. Has everything needed and actually shows more on screen at once.

It's a nice twitter app and I bought it but list scrolling performance can get really bad at times but it's still better than the others I've tried so far.

doministry said:
I prefer original Twitter. Has everything needed and actually shows more on screen at once.
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Prefer the original too, plus it's confirmed to be working very fast with the upcoming WP7 update.

Peew971 said:
Prefer the original too, plus it's confirmed to be working very fast with the upcoming WP7 update.
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Nice to know!

If you must get Birdsong, it got a temporary massive cut price (£0.79 in the UK). I got it as an alternative to the official app just because their next update will include notifications but Twitter remains my favourite so far.
PS: moTweets is out and rubbish. Too bad, that was my favourite twitter app on winmo.

jmerrey said:
I wish we had a twitter app for wp7 that would remember your place on the timeline, the good ones for iphone and android have that option
for example, if I don't check twitter for a day, when I check it I have 100+ new tweets, but the app starts at the top, with the newest tweet, and the only way to read them in order from oldest to newest is to guess where the spot is and scroll down down down
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rowi does that. Try rowi, it's an awesome, no-frills Twitter app that just gets straight to the point with a pure Metro UI.
Tried Birdsong, and while it certainly has potential, its very slow to load tweets into the timeline, performance can dive sometimes for no reason, and that timeline counter along the top of the screen just looks really out of place and doesn't match the interface or the Metro UI.
I really wish they'd fix the official Twitter application. It definitely has potential to be awesome as well. Till then, rowi is my Twitter application.
Peew971 said:
PS: moTweets is out and rubbish. Too bad, that was my favourite twitter app on winmo.
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Yeah, I loved moTweets on WinMo. Just checked it out here, and its terrible and ugly. It's got some good ideas and potential, but my god it looks like they tried to bring the WinMo look to WP7, which means they have totally missed the point of WP7 and Metro.

It'll be Beezz for me until any of the other clients get push live tile updates. At that time, I'll rate the features and compare.

thesecondsfade said:
It'll be Beezz for me until any of the other clients get push live tile updates. At that time, I'll rate the features and compare.
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Beezz's live tile updates don't work, nor does its toast notifications.

Jim Coleman said:
Beezz's live tile updates don't work, nor does its toast notifications.
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It works for me. It sometimes stops working, but if you just log out and log back in it starts working again.

The only good WP7 apps that exist are:
1. Games
2. Apps that do not require vertical list scrolling
List scrolling is so bad, that I think WP7 devices should come with Epilepsy warnings. That's how bad it is.
Lists stall, jump, you end up selecting items you never wanted to select, etc.
Also, the Horizontal scrollign needs a threshold to trigger pane switches. If you tap up to scroll up a bit in a list and your finger moves from side to side, it can trigger horizontal pane switches and in some applications that means you lose your place in a list. That's terrible.
I brought BirdSong because it was cheap (0.99). Seesmic's UI is terrible. I don't want to have to tab an icon to go to Twitter. I want an option to take me there automatically. The official Twitter app has terrible performance and poor reaction to taps. Sometimes you have to tap on a link 3-4 times to get it to register - that may just be the application lagging like hell, though...
I prefer the Official App to BirdSong, but at the moment BirdSong outperforms it and is alreasy talking about adding Live Tiles in the next release. Facebook and twitter seem to be extremely slow adding features to their Official Apps unless you're talking about the iOS version.
I've already uninstalled 90% of the third party apps on my phone due to performing issues (list scrolling, painfully slow resuming, Live Tiles that don't work, Ads at the top of the screen - destroying the Metra Look and Feel of the App [And adds on the top on one screen, and on the bottom on the other to try to make you misclick them... i.e. AlphaJax]).
The Marketplace app freezes and crashes all the time, making you have to reboot the entire phone for it to work correctly.
The stock apps perform well, but that probably has a lot to do with Microsoft using Native Code Interop to maximize performance. Third Party applications 85% of the time have performance issues.
Oh, and Board Express... The slowest app I've ever used on any mobile platform. Wish I hadn't paid for that piece of ****.
But on topic... Yes, Birdsong is a good Twitter client. I think the Official Twitter client looks better, but the performance gains using birdsong (Raw Speed, Cached Tweets, Integrated browser so no constant resuming when viewing links, integrated picture viewer) far outweight the deficit.

N8ter said:
The only good WP7 apps that exist are:
1. Games
2. Apps that do not require vertical list scrolling
List scrolling is so bad, that I think WP7 devices should come with Epilepsy warnings. That's how bad it is.
Lists stall, jump, you end up selecting items you never wanted to select, etc.
Also, the Horizontal scrollign needs a threshold to trigger pane switches. If you tap up to scroll up a bit in a list and your finger moves from side to side, it can trigger horizontal pane switches and in some applications that means you lose your place in a list. That's terrible.
I brought BirdSong because it was cheap (0.99). Seesmic's UI is terrible. I don't want to have to tab an icon to go to Twitter. I want an option to take me there automatically. The official Twitter app has terrible performance and poor reaction to taps. Sometimes you have to tap on a link 3-4 times to get it to register - that may just be the application lagging like hell, though...
I prefer the Official App to BirdSong, but at the moment BirdSong outperforms it and is alreasy talking about adding Live Tiles in the next release. Facebook and twitter seem to be extremely slow adding features to their Official Apps unless you're talking about the iOS version.
I've already uninstalled 90% of the third party apps on my phone due to performing issues (list scrolling, painfully slow resuming, Live Tiles that don't work, Ads at the top of the screen - destroying the Metra Look and Feel of the App [And adds on the top on one screen, and on the bottom on the other to try to make you misclick them... i.e. AlphaJax]).
The Marketplace app freezes and crashes all the time, making you have to reboot the entire phone for it to work correctly.
The stock apps perform well, but that probably has a lot to do with Microsoft using Native Code Interop to maximize performance. Third Party applications 85% of the time have performance issues.
Oh, and Board Express... The slowest app I've ever used on any mobile platform. Wish I hadn't paid for that piece of ****.
But on topic... Yes, Birdsong is a good Twitter client. I think the Official Twitter client looks better, but the performance gains using birdsong (Raw Speed, Cached Tweets, Integrated browser so no constant resuming when viewing links, integrated picture viewer) far outweight the deficit.
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Why are you complaining about scrolling issues here on a Birdsong thread? I have a TMOUS HD7 and have not experienced 1 of the issues you're complaining about. Why don't you just sell your HD7 if you really believe there's nothing good about it other than games? iOS and Android have more games, much of the same games, etc.
Every time I see your username in a thread I'm prepared to read a bunch of complaining. How old are you?

I've bought the latest version from the market, enabled push & tile notification but nothing is working ... am I the only one ?

Read 'Hey Microsoft, what’s up with those Live Tiles?' here:
http://mobilitydigest.com/hey-microsoft-whats-up-with-those-live-tiles/

Sjuust said:
Read 'Hey Microsoft, what’s up with those Live Tiles?' here:
http://mobilitydigest.com/hey-microsoft-whats-up-with-those-live-tiles/
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Thx but I've alread read that article.. endpoints it's not my problem, beacuse other apps tiles are working... birdsong doesn't...

Prefer Motweets pro,I bought it when the price is low.I think it is the twitter app with most features currently.
However,got birdsong free trial in my device too,just seldom use it,because I can't see all the Nearby tweets or locating the people i following.
Furthermore,I found out that some major issues with all current twitter apps in the marketplace.
firstly,when exiting from the built-in browser will bring you into blank screen for at least 2 second.
second,it'll randomly crash, if you scroll through pages when it is loading app.
not sure why these problems occur,maybe it is due to the WP7 developer tool.

I use motweets, birdsong & tweetcaster.. but overall I prefer birdsong with motweets as #2

is there a fix already for birdsong crash when clicking links in mango b2?

What keys am I hitting?

I use stock browser with quick controls turned on. This has happened about three times now. I'm on a forum andi have about 4 or 5 browser tabs open. I'm finishing a long letter and I'm hitting the submit button. Suddenly I'm at android's home screen. I hit the browser button and my letter is gone including all tabs.I don't know what I'm doing to cause this.i don't even know what buttonsi could hit to make all the browser tabs to close at once. Does anyone have any idea? Thanks.

You're running out of memory. If rooted, try changing your low mem settings.
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If you are running out of memory while browsing the web, there is something wrong with your unit. That should not be happening.

Is that what's really going on? I thought maybe I was hitting a combination of keys with the outer palm of my hand or something.

My evo 3d has a gig of memory (800 something useable), and to many browser tabs, plus some music playing, etc will kill my browser. It's not really out of memory per se just the oom value of the browser gets up there too high. Especially with the values most people set by default on custom roms. What's the default for the tab?
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I don't understand. How do I look that up?

It happened today also and I'm positive this time I didn't accidentally hit any buttons or keys.

Every problem I had went away when I installed Opera browser. No more crashes. No more stuttering, choppy YouTube videos. Working select text, copy, and paste. No more bumping the wrong links or accidently closing on-screen keyboard because I hit the spacebar wrong. No more opening windows because my finger accidently strayed across the screen. Everything just works now. Boy am I glad I tried Opera. If you're having any of these issues I suggest giving Opera a try.

Unfortunatly, Opera wont work for some sites that use certain javascript functions and most sites that I use break in Opera (tables & forms dont show up properly). Luckily Ive never really had a problem with the stock browser, but I think the reason why is because I have pluggins set to On Demand. If you ever feel like giving the stock browser another shot I'd highly recommend to keep the plugins set to on demand and clearing out the cache every once in a while doesnt hurt either.

crossix said:
Opera wont work for some sites that use certain javascript functions and most sites that I use break in Opera (tables & forms dont show up properly).
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Could you please give some examples of sites that "break in Opera"? I am using Opera exclusively and I haven't experienced that problem.

I havent tried using Opera Moble recently, but the last time I worked with it one of my banking sites wouldn't let me login due to javascript errors that were only present while using opera. Also, I use my tablet for supporting customers while out in the field and the primary site I support does not function properly under opera (things like javascript links, the div wrapped tables and embedded videos do not display properly or sometimes not at all).
Opera is great for sites using html5 and simple javascript functions, but I cant use it as my daily driver when it wont play nice with my development stuff and refuses to render pages properly that my clients create. I want to be able to use one browser for everything, not be in the middle of a call and have to tell a customer "oh wait, give me just a sec I have to switch browsers, I forgot your site uses a ajax generated, javascript pop-up and I cant scroll it".
I'd link a specific site as an example, but it would require customer permissiions to do so since their site requires authentication but here's a charted example you can see that while opera has issues other browsers do not: www.quirksmode.org/m/table.html
For the general public though, you shouldnt have an issue.

Browser questions

Hello everyone,
This is my first android device and I have a couple of questions regarding the browser:
1) Is there a way to add a plug-in to the browser to behave like iOS's Safari "Reader" functionality? Something that will basically display the text of an article without all the fluff (like ads and whatnot)?
2) The fonts used for the different sites I frequent seem to be a bit off. Are there fonts missing from the stock android that I need to add?
3) Zooming-in to a piece of the text by double-tapping seems to be a bit off, for me its zooming in a bit more that it should leaving the last few words of each line of text outside of the view. Am I doing something wrong here?
Thanks a lot!

LordGrahf said:
Hello everyone,
This is my first android device and I have a couple of questions regarding the browser:
1) Is there a way to add a plug-in to the browser to behave like iOS's Safari "Reader" functionality? Something that will basically display the text of an article without all the fluff (like ads and whatnot)?
2) The fonts used for the different sites I frequent seem to be a bit off. Are there fonts missing from the stock android that I need to add?
3) Zooming-in to a piece of the text by double-tapping seems to be a bit off, for me its zooming in a bit more that it should leaving the last few words of each line of text outside of the view. Am I doing something wrong here?
Thanks a lot!
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what the...
1) "Reader" functionality? some kind of jailbreak hack? Anyways, I believe you can disable images in the settings of browser (theres a ton of settings there so go check them out). As for ads, there are some apps out there that do that.. but as a dev, I'm pretty against it so maybe someone else will point one out
2) Thats even more weird.. the Galaxy Nexus does use the new roboto font and it does use this to render websites. But you're saying some websites appear off? Got any examples?
3) huh? double-tapping works very well for me. Again, some example sites? You're double tapping on a segment of text right?

For #3 you probably need to turn on word wrap/reflow or whatever it is called. Occassionally doesnt work and you need to refresh on dolphin browser.
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The answer is yes
For issue #1, there is! You don't need an account, but I would highly recommend signing up for one at readability dot com
Go the Android Market and search for Readability. Download the Readability Bookmark app and create the bookmarklet. This will create a bookmark with no icon called Readability. Then just go to any page with boat loads of text and images and ads and garbage and click the tabs button to show the bookmarks button, click it and then click the Readability bookmarklet.
It's a terrible workflow but it does work. I've been using it the past couple of days and it's very comparable to the Reader button in Mobile Safari.
For issue #2, I don't know of anything like that.
For issue #3, I have the same problem. Double tap on a column of text and the column fills the screen with just a few words off of the edge. I've played around with the browser settings and I can't get it to work. Pretty much any site with text, to answer kwazi's question.

Thanks for the respone!
kwazi said:
1) "Reader" functionality? some kind of jailbreak hack? Anyways, I believe you can disable images in the settings of browser (theres a ton of settings there so go check them out). As for ads, there are some apps out there that do that.. but as a dev, I'm pretty against it so maybe someone else will point one out
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It just formats the page to make it all text with no images or ads or anything else that doesn't belong to the article you're reading. Its like the Readability plug-in for desktop google Chrome and Firefox.
kwazi said:
2) Thats even more weird.. the Galaxy Nexus does use the new roboto font and it does use this to render websites. But you're saying some websites appear off? Got any examples?
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I noticed this while reading on a boxing site I frequent: www.eastsideboxing.com
I also noticed the same with websites written in a foreign language.
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3) huh? double-tapping works very well for me. Again, some example sites? You're double tapping on a segment of text right?
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I noticed this also on www.eastsideboxing.com
Thanks!

freicook said:
For issue #1, there is! You don't need an account, but I would highly recommend signing up for one at readability dot com
Go the Android Market and search for Readability. Download the Readability Bookmark app and create the bookmarklet. This will create a bookmark with no icon called Readability. Then just go to any page with boat loads of text and images and ads and garbage and click the tabs button to show the bookmarks button, click it and then click the Readability bookmarklet.
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Ahh thanks a lot! That's what I was looking for. Yeah its bit of a workout, but better than nothing

pukemon said:
For #3 you probably need to turn on word wrap/reflow or whatever it is called. Occassionally doesnt work and you need to refresh on dolphin browser.
Sent from my samsung gt i9250 which is in the wrong state.
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Thanks. Do you think this can only be done under Dolphin browser and not the stock one? I've just checked the settings of the stock browser and didn't find that option.

I have a question, will Last Pass be able to plug into it something like it does with Dolphin?

After further inspection, the font looks just about right when zoomed in (for English at least). I think my eyes are not used yet to see cramped text on this display
So I guess the only thing that I still can't figure out is how to make the double tap zoom work properly.

some issues!

1: i noticed that chrome "cuts" and overlap part of some web pages...for ex google upper menu appears over the first search result, making it impossible to click.
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1,1: sometimes it stucks and has a strange behavour with s pen (i click somewhere but it takes as click in another place in the page. it s evidente when small chars and many links )
it doesnt happen in any other app or menu.
2 stock browser doesn t recognize "other favourites" folder or the equivalent for italian "altri preferiti".
i can save only in the main folder and subfolders and not there
same for you?

1. Same here
2. I don't know, I mainly use Firefox beta now

edited main post.
firefox has any kind of sync with google favourites? can be edited?
for me it's a major feature.

I started getting this with Chrome when we got the first "performance improvement" update. I work around it by zooming in and scrolling. Not ideal by any means.
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I dont know but I think the chrome has it's issues?

Noticed the same issue with Chrome, took me a while to really notice what was going on.

I had problems with Chrome as well. I like it but not enough to put up with a chopped off screen and major offset for the touch screen. I went with Opera and it works like it should so far.

Yip, this happens to me as well and it sucks.