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[Q] Moto 360 [5.1.1] Stay Awake While Charging...

Can't find another question like this one... so here goes:
Just got a Moto 360 for 149.99 USD and its great so far.
Did that force update to 5.1.1, this one worked for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/3ahj1l/a_surefire_way_to_force_the_511_update/
Now I look into turning off the screen when its charging, only to run into a very strange issue...
In the developer options, which you can enable using 10 taps on the build number in about, there are two options:
1) stay awake while charging
2) burn-in protection
Burn-in protection will NOT save the check when your restart, so in essence, is useless.
However I found that using stay awake while charging DOES indeed turn off the screen, but here's the catch: you have to set it to ENABLED.
Don't believe I have ever seen a setting on android that required it to be on, to be off...
But hey, it does work, on mine at least.
Also the whole "just hit the button to make the screen go off" ONLY works in Theater Mode! And I personally dont like pushing a button to check the time.
If Theater Mode is off, it will just brighten the screen for around 2 seconds, then dim again.
Here's my question, what does that burn-in protection do anyways? Just pixel shift over time? Why can't it be enabled?
Hope this helps some people!

that setting does nothing for me
the screen stays awake regardless of ENABLED or DISABLED
funny how motorola hasn't fixed this yet

just put watch in "Theater mode" before charging
and it would switch the screen off on charger too

da_coder said:
Can't find another question like this one... so here goes:
Just got a Moto 360 for 149.99 USD and its great so far.
Did that force update to 5.1.1, this one worked for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/3ahj1l/a_surefire_way_to_force_the_511_update/
Now I look into turning off the screen when its charging, only to run into a very strange issue...
In the developer options, which you can enable using 10 taps on the build number in about, there are two options:
1) stay awake while charging
2) burn-in protection
Burn-in protection will NOT save the check when your restart, so in essence, is useless.
However I found that using stay awake while charging DOES indeed turn off the screen, but here's the catch: you have to set it to ENABLED.
Don't believe I have ever seen a setting on android that required it to be on, to be off...
But hey, it does work, on mine at least.
Also the whole "just hit the button to make the screen go off" ONLY works in Theater Mode! And I personally dont like pushing a button to check the time.
If Theater Mode is off, it will just brighten the screen for around 2 seconds, then dim again.
Here's my question, what does that burn-in protection do anyways? Just pixel shift over time? Why can't it be enabled?
Hope this helps some people!
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It started on mine, in the dock. Every few minutes everything on the display jumps in size from small to large and vice visa
The staying awake feature is backwards. Crazy
Sent by entanglement.

I restarted mine after setting to enabled, also ambient / theater mode are both off.

Hi,
as ShadowVlican wrote: just enable the theater mode to switch the screen off during charging. It is also important, the you undo any changes you did in the developer menu ("stay awake while charging" and the "burn in protection" as well).
Stephan

cyvr1 said:
Hi,
as ShadowVlican wrote: just enable the theater mode to switch the screen off during charging. It is also important, the you undo any changes you did in the developer menu ("stay awake while charging" and the "burn in protection" as well).
Stephan
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Yeah, no. My screen turns off for 10 seconds then just becomes dim black with backlight again.
Is there no damn working solution?!

Do you manually change brightness a lot?

With most Android Wear watches lacking an ambient light sensor, this Huawei one included, I'm wondering if you often have to manually adjust brightness, either not to be blinded at night, or to actually see the screen in daylight.
As far as I understand, an awake watch will get brighter, and ambient mode will be darker. There's also the double and triple crown clicks for theater (screen off) and sunlight (brighter) modes. And things like Display Brightness for Wear, or through AutoWear for finer grained and somewhat automated results.
And that's what I'm really wondering: if I can get a satisfying custom behaviour through AutoWear, by slices of day time (eg, brightest at noon, and progressively darker as night approaches), that'd be fine enough to me. But if I constantly have to adjust things manually, I fear that would quickly become annoying (I can spend a lot of energy tweaking automation to ensure I can be as lazy as can be afterwards ).
Do you choose a middle ground brightness setting and are fine with it most of the time, except when you rarely have to double or triple crown click? Do you find yourself manually adjusting brightness a few times a day? Do you constantly fiddle with brightness settings?

I don't touch it at all. I have it set to 4 and could even get away with 3 if I want. When you need a brightness boost just hit the crown three times and you're set.

I missed it greatly from my urbane, so I went back to it.

suzook said:
I missed it greatly from my urbane, so I went back to it.
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Uh? Missed what? The Urbane has no ambient light sensor either, does it?

noraef said:
Uh? Missed what? The Urbane has no ambient light sensor either, does it?
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UH! Yeah it does! Its by the lugs.

suzook said:
by the lugs
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You're speaking of the two holes for the mic? Anyway, I'm not intested in the Urbane at all, so it's completely off topic.
What I'm interested in is how often do people with the Huawei watch feel the need to manually change brightness settings.

Crown
So, by hitting the crown three times, the brightness goes up one level?
Also, is the crown button function behavior customizable?
Thanks!
atoy74 said:
I don't touch it at all. I have it set to 4 and could even get away with 3 if I want. When you need a brightness boost just hit the crown three times and you're set.
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gaikokujin said:
So, by hitting the crown three times, the brightness goes up one level?
Also, is the crown button function behavior customizable?
Thanks!
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It actually goes to max brightness only until the screen goes back to sleep.
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atoy74 said:
It actually goes to max brightness only until the screen goes back to sleep.
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I see, thanks.

I don't change it often at all. Most of the time 2 or 3 has been plenty bright for me, and the triple click to up it a bit works pretty well...
noraef said:
You're speaking of the two holes for the mic? Anyway, I'm not intested in the Urbane at all, so it's completely off topic.
What I'm interested in is how often do people with the Huawei watch feel the need to manually change brightness settings.
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Have the watch since tuesday ("Active", ie black, with single layer leather) And I agree: most of the time, 2 or 3 are enough. 1 is actually even too bright to me at night, especially since I'm seemingly unable to have ambient brightness get as low as how bright it is awake at 1 (is ambient brightness level fixed?).
Under direct sunlight, it's not always that easy to see even with the bright 3-click sunlight mode. But generally, twisting my wrist a little to avoid direct reflections, or at worst covering it a bit with my other hand, is enough.

noraef said:
Have the watch since tuesday ("Active", ie black, with single layer leather) And I agree: most of the time, 2 or 3 are enough. 1 is actually even too bright to me at night, especially since I'm seemingly unable to have ambient brightness get as low as how bright it is awake at 1 (is ambient brightness level fixed?).
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Ambient mode brightness is not configurable on the watch, but certain 3rd-party watchfaces offer this setting. I'm using Skymaster and it offers different brightness for ambient mode.

agentdr8 said:
Ambient mode brightness is not configurable on the watch, but certain 3rd-party watchfaces offer this setting. I'm using Skymaster and it offers different brightness for ambient mode.
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Does that setting only apply to the actual watch face, or to the whole display? I've managed to make it dimmer with a partially transparent black layer in WatchMaker, but it doesn't apply to cards previews, or icons such as mute...
SWapp True Dark allows for actually adjusting the brightness of the whole ambient display, which is already great, but I'd rather have that manageable through Tasker (to have it auto adjust by time of the day). Have asked João if this could be implemented in AutoWear, so maybe it'll end up manageable through that.
Seems quite crazy to me this setting is not available by default. Reminds me, even though I think Android is the best OS of its kind, how lame I find it without the truckload of customization I lay over it...

I have 8 days ago my Huawei SW. It's my first SmartWatch and I'm really disappointed not to do anything with Tasker and Android Wear to adjust brightness to my liking clock automatically.
On the day I need more brightness when I'm out and at night the minimum brightness of the screen saver is very strong.
The bothers me most at the moment is so intense brightness of screen saver at night. No achievement make it more tenuous. Anyone know if there is any app that you can do?
Hopefully one of the experts and boys of this site something to be developed further manipulate Androi tasker and wear.

I've been using Display Brightness for Wear. It allows for different brightness settings for day and night in different situations. I wish it was more customizable or there were some ways to control brightness with tasker. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find those.

Autowear just needs to be able to receive a message that ambient is selected. It thinks the watch is off instead of in ambient. Frankly, though, SWapp does what I need. I also use WatchMaker faces and customize the dim mode to my liking.

i use Wear Mini Launcher and have it set to show the widgets before the apps, so one swipe to the right gets me a brightness slider. Its very each to adjust this way. With Wear Mini Launcher I can also quickly set my phone to silent/vibrate mode, turn on flashlight, ping the phone even if the phone is on vibrate, etc

brizey said:
Autowear just needs to be able to receive a message that ambient is selected. It thinks the watch is off instead of in ambient. Frankly, though, SWapp does what I need. I also use WatchMaker faces and customize the dim mode to my liking.
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i use Wear Mini Launcher and have it set to show the widgets before the apps, so one swipe to the right gets me a brightness slider. Its very each to adjust this way. With Wear Mini Launcher I can also quickly set my phone to silent/vibrate mode, turn on flashlight, ping the phone even if the phone is on vibrate, etc
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atoy74 said:
I don't touch it at all. I have it set to 4 and could even get away with 3 if I want. When you need a brightness boost just hit the crown three times and you're set.
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wait...WAT?! i've never known this...btw it doesn't work with Android Wear 2.0 preview 2

I've thought of something somewhat cool but I'm no developer.
What if we can use our cellphone's ambient light sensor to sync with the watch so that the watch can get both bright and/or dim when needed?
Theoretically this will function correctly if your phone isn't in your pocket all the time.
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Many problems with moto360 (1gen)

1) Can i disable the functions of "cardiac activity" "pedometer" ?!
2) Battery life is very bad, what can I do to optimize it?
3) On reminders and alarm clocks, it doesn't vibrate, why?

nothing?

up

I just got mine and the performance was horrible. I had to let the software update to 5.x from 4.x and after that was done I deleted it from my phone and then did a factory reset on the watch. After I did all that I used a moto watchface and had 36 hours.

On optimising battery life:
Turn off gestures (tilt to wake, etc), ambient mode (the display doesn't need to be on all the time, press the side button or tap the screen), and wifi. I also turn mine off every night when I go to sleep (I never wear a watch to bed, anyway) and I can usually get 3-4 days out of mine, with decent use of the actual smartwatch features (voice texting, media control, responding to notifications).

tygerchylde said:
On optimising battery life:
Turn off gestures (tilt to wake, etc), ..........
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Although it rear tilt to wake option is disabled, the watch lights up when it turned up in the display.
Probably something else causing it to light up, but I'm not sure now what.
If there is a clock faces that have settings for this, those in the WatchMaker Premium application do not have this option to turn off tilt to wake up for reduce the battery consumation.

Monipeev said:
Although it rear tilt to wake option is disabled, the watch lights up when it turned up in the display.
Probably something else causing it to light up, but I'm not sure now what.
If there is a clock faces that have settings for this, those in the WatchMaker Premium application do not have this option to turn off tilt to wake up for reduce the battery consumation.
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The Android Wear app is the only place that I know of where the tilt to wake option is located.
I don't use either Facer or Watchmaker Premium, so I'm not sure about that option under either app.
Using either app can cause extra battery drain, since the watch communicates with the phone constantly (or at least frequently) to update the watch face.

tygerchylde said:
The Android Wear app is the only place that I know of where the tilt to wake option is located.
I don't use either Facer or Watchmaker Premium, so I'm not sure about that option under either app.
Using either app can cause extra battery drain, since the watch communicates with the phone constantly (or at least frequently) to update the watch face.
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You're right. I probably had in mind the possibility of stopping this option from the watch itself, which does not happen until you stop the application Android Wear, as you mentioned.
Alternatively, it is talking about is removing dim off the clock.
Thanks for your guidance.

Life without Notification LED

I tried NoLED but the immersive mode only last half a minute or so (tried tasker setting immersive mode to hide both when display is on ) and im afraid of battery drain and burn in.
tried glimpse notifications and ambi tuner with little luck (was trying to get pulsing ambient display when having a notification, otherwise off), but pulsing didnt work
what i have settled for so far is using secure settings and tasker to turn on always on display when i have a notification and turn off always on display when i remove a notification. its called doze_always_on in tasker>plugins.>secure settings>device setting (paywall)>system table>secure list>doze_always_on. where 0 is off and 1 is on. I had to set the wake screen up for notifications setting on for this to work.
here is a video jon2jay made of another method of using tasker without need of secure settings (watch in silent): https://ufile.io/fv287
if someone has a better idea that woudl be great. i was thinking about using the notches as notification leds, when you can switch between colors for different app notifications, and even use different "ears" of the notch. the dev of ambi tuner says hes working on pixel 3 xl compatibility.
looks like samsung pie has colored notificaitons on their ambient display. would love that, if it was only on when notifications were there.

Lack of Led alternative
Coming from the original Pixel, I too can't get used to not having an led. I have been using LED Blinker pro with acceptable success. Many customization options. Test mode does not seem to work, but the app works flawlessly.

With all the supposed focus on digital well-being, eliminating the notification LED was a really poor choice. Now we're forced to pick up the damn phone to see what a notification is. I'm going to have to try out some of the options you guys mentioned.

An app that makes a color near the notch would be great, you know something similar to the battery color around the notch. This on AOD would kinda replace the need for the LED...
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dipstik said:
I tried NoLED but the immersive mode only last half a minute or so (tried tasker setting immersive mode to hide both when display is on ) and im afraid of battery drain and burn in.
tried glimpse notifications and ambi tuner with little luck (was trying to get pulsing ambient display when having a notification, otherwise off), but pulsing didnt work
what i have settled for so far is using secure settings and tasker to turn on always on display when i have a notification and turn off always on display when i remove a notification. its called doze_always_on in tasker>plugins.>secure settings>device setting (paywall)>system table>secure list>doze_always_on. where 0 is off and 1 is on. I had to set the wake screen up for notifications setting on for this to work.
if someone has a better idea that woudl be great. i was thinking about using the notches as notification leds, when you can switch between colors for different app notifications, and even use different "ears" of the notch. the dev of ambi tuner says hes working on pixel 3 xl compatibility.
looks like samsung pie has colored notificaitons on their ambient display. would love that, if it was only on when notifications were there.
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I wish google could read this. No one should have to bend over backwards and jump through hoops to enable something as simple as a stupid blinking light! Google failed us so hard by removing the LED.
Now, I can't even tell if my phone is charging without waking the screen. Worse, I have no clue if the battery is low and need to charge without also waking the screen. No clue if I missed a call, or a calendar event... NOTHING! unless I turn on the screen. I shouldn't have to actively interact with my phone to get passive information. If I wanted that, I would have purchased an iPhone.

Doesn't bother me, I've had phones with and without LED. My life hasn't changed

Time to fix that LED
PuffDaddy_d said:
I wish google could read this. No one should have to bend over backwards and jump through hoops to enable something as simple as a stupid blinking light! Google failed us so hard by removing the LED.
Now, I can't even tell if my phone is charging without waking the screen. Worse, I have no clue if the battery is low and need to charge without also waking the screen. No clue if I missed a call, or a calendar event... NOTHING! unless I turn on the screen. I shouldn't have to actively interact with my phone to get passive information. If I wanted that, I would have purchased an iPhone.
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Hey. I love to develop and will make this my mission. Since the display is an OLED wich make it possible to turn on and off idividual pixels this should not be that hard. Keep you updated.

I hate not having an LED. Turning the display on to simply check for notifications is becoming aggravating.
Someone please come up with something.

deepsurge said:
Hey. I love to develop and will make this my mission. Since the display is an OLED wich make it possible to turn on and off idividual pixels this should not be that hard. Keep you updated.
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So there are some apps that already do this; however, they all struggle to play nicely with the default lock screen. If you can get around this limitation, I would gladly make a financial contribution.

Haven't missed it one bit. I use the AOD though. If I didn't, I would definitely want the LED.

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So there are some apps that already do this; however, they all struggle to play nicely with the default lock screen. If you can get around this limitation, I would gladly make a financial contribution.
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I will look in to this, as an old embedded engineer i will try to solve this, i love a challange.

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I will look in to this, as an old embedded engineer i will try to solve this, i love a challange.
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PM me if you need a beta tester

Or some app that would show the Notification Icon on the top of the screen. Just the icon blinking on the all black OLED screen.

I think Samsung's implementation is cool. It takes the colors from the app and uses that as the icon on the screen. Being able to customize that even further would be awesome. Like make all unimportant white and urgent ones red.

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Or some app that would show the Notification Icon on the top of the screen. Just the icon blinking on the all black OLED screen.
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Those apps exist. They just don't play nicely with the lock screen.

killakarl said:
I think Samsung's implementation is cool. It takes the colors from the app and uses that as the icon on the screen. Being able to customize that even further would be awesome. Like make all unimportant white and urgent ones red.
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When I initially receive a notification with the AOD on, the icon is colored like that. For Textra it colors the icon the color of the conversation, which is neat. I can tell at a glance who messaged me. For Facebook the icon is blue, Gmail is red, etc.
When the notification goes away and the AOD has the normal display of clock and the icons, it's all that muted shade of gray/white

Hooray!
I am glad this was pointed out, I always found the notification LED on my old Samsung to be mildly annoying but not worth the effort to completely disable. I am glad this phone doesn't have one, easy enough to tap the screen to see what apps the notifications are from and expand if needed. The blinking light was irritating when sleeping or in a dark room. Thanks for pointing this out, one more reason I love my new Pixel 3 XL :laugh:

dipstik said:
I tried NoLED but the immersive mode only last half a minute or so (tried tasker setting immersive mode to hide both when display is on ) and im afraid of battery drain and burn in.
tried glimpse notifications and ambi tuner with little luck (was trying to get pulsing ambient display when having a notification, otherwise off), but pulsing didnt work
what i have settled for so far is using secure settings and tasker to turn on always on display when i have a notification and turn off always on display when i remove a notification. its called doze_always_on in tasker>plugins.>secure settings>device setting (paywall)>system table>secure list>doze_always_on. where 0 is off and 1 is on. I had to set the wake screen up for notifications setting on for this to work.
if someone has a better idea that woudl be great. i was thinking about using the notches as notification leds, when you can switch between colors for different app notifications, and even use different "ears" of the notch. the dev of ambi tuner says hes working on pixel 3 xl compatibility.
looks like samsung pie has colored notificaitons on their ambient display. would love that, if it was only on when notifications were there.
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Hey could you please share your tasker profiles? I think that you are having 2 different profiles right? I'm trying to do the same but can't seem to find the doze always on in secure settings :S
This would do until someone manages to customize the ambient or make an app that makes something blink or i dunno what

I've just created an app called Pixel Pulse. I could use some testers if anyone is willing to give it a try. You can select the apps you want to have the app pulse your Ambient Display. There's paid customization for icons and colors but the core functionality of the app is free.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.compass.pixelpulse
If you had previously purchased Ambi-Turner, it has been updated for the new permissions, but because it was written for 8.0 and when Google's ambient display worked differently I decided to leave it as it is. You may however transfer your purchase status of Ambient Display to Pixel Pulse using both apps.

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I've just created an app called Pixel Pulse. I could use some testers if anyone is willing to give it a try. You can select the apps you want to have the app pulse your Ambient Display. There's paid customization for icons and colors but the core functionality of the app is free.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.compass.pixelpulse
If you had previously purchased Ambi-Turner, it has been updated for the new permissions, but because it was written for 8.0 and when Google's ambient display worked differently I decided to leave it as it is. You may however transfer your purchase status of Ambient Display to Pixel Pulse using both apps.
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Thanks. If I understand correctly, Pixel Pulse works alongside Ambient Display? It appears that PP adds the pulse customization that AD does not have?

Enabled Always On Display while on Pixel Stand. Now I can't disable it. Any ideas?

SOLVED: See first comment.
I prefer not to keep the Always On Display (AOD) enabled in an effort to prevent battery drain and premature screen burn-in. With that said, I received my Pixel Stand today and during the initial setup with the phone on the stand, it gave me the option to enable AOD, only when the phone is on the stand. I decided to turn it on to test out the features for a bit. However, now I'm unable to turn AOD off, for when the phone is on the stand.
I've dug through settings multiple times and can't seem to find it. Under Display > Advanced > Ambient Display, AOD is turned off, but it still turns on when the phone is on the stand. During the setup it said something about being able to turn it off in Assistant settings after the fact. But I've scavenged through every assistant setting I can find and cannot figure out how to turn it off.
At this point I'm stuck and don't want to factory reset to fix it. For now I'm refraining from using the Pixel Stand until I get this fixed. Which is a shame.
Any ideas?

In another thread uicnren posted a solution to my problem and it worked perfectly. Thanks!
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for the record, you can find the settings at: settings > connected devices > previously connected devices > then tap the cog next to 'pixel stand'. then simply forget the stand, and re-add it again with the settings you desire.
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The interface is confusing. The only way I got it to leave the phone off when charging (as recommended for battery lifetime (not having to replace it)- see "13 tips to extend the lifespan of your phone battery" by Lauren Stephen), is to forget it as described then refuse to add any settings when I put it in the pixel stand. Very sad, as I'd love to be able to use some of the features, but just also have it go to deep sleep while charging, IF I press the power off button while its on the stand.