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Moto Z Play or Lg G5

Fellow Moto Z Play users.
I'm an owner of g3, thats looping in the boot....
I dont trust lg anymore.... G2 screen burns, g3 cracked cases and heat related issue, g4 bootloop and g5 ghosting burn ins
So i today i'm ordering my phone. I want to make sure device wont get defects... Lg g5 with us warrsnty is 400usd.
Moto z play is 450USD.
Lg g5 is cheaper, yet has a better camera and better cpu gpu.
Moto z play has a better batterylife,britgher screen, lower performance, better perceived quality by me(we had 2 of moto g, both didnt have any issues).
How good pr bad the moto play z cam?
Is it bad in bad light. PLEASE help me. I dont want to go over 400 usd. I would buy axon 7 but the cam made me like no.
But if axon 7 and moto play z has the same cam or similar performancr. I will go with zte axon 7. For the performance and design also qhd display and priced 350 usd

I have had zero issues with low light pics taken with my z, and I've had some very good phones in the past (Sammy, HTC). The low light pics can be a bit grainy, and that's where the z play does struggle, but honestly it isn't as big of a deal as some reviews have stated.
Personally having slightly less sharp low light pics, which is rare, is a small trade off to the awesome battery and moto ui. I just got sick of charging my phone 2-3 times a day, and having high end specs meant less and less to me. This phone is a beast all around, it'll be hard to eventually replace it

I am coming from a Note 4 the camera of the Z play is better. It misses only the OIS. But this helps only for free hand low light images. LG may be slightly better in low light because of the better aperture and the OIS. But it won't be that big difference as all the reviews let you think. I would not expect any differences in daylight.

My friend has a G5 and wants my Z play.

thebrains9 said:
But if axon 7 and moto play z has the same cam or similar performancr. I will go with zte axon 7. For the performance and design also qhd display and priced 350 usd
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The Axon 7's camera is better than the Z Play's - at least on paper - not by much, but OIS may help it win the upper hand. Both are capable of excellent, current flagship quality daylight shots. The Z Play has better post processing and overall the better software and I personally prefer the Z Play's daylight shots, but both are good - neither is great in low light, the Z Play creates more blurry pictures more frequently due to lack of OIS, the Axon 7 has OIS but worse software and post-processing and creates more over- or underexposed pictures. Since bad exposure ruins pictures less than blurriness, I'd say it wins the duel but only by a hair.
While the Moto Z Play has an excellent, loud and crisp front facing mono speaker and generally great audio quality, the Axon 7 blows it and just about any other phone out of the water with its front facing, Dolby ATMOS enabled speakers.
In many other ways, the Axon 7 is superior to the Z Play only on paper. The SD 820 is faster on paper, but runs hotter and is much more power hunger than the Z Play's SD 625 - the real life performance difference between the two is almost imperceptible in everything but VR and hardcore 3D gaming.
Battery life is no contest, with the Axon 7 being pretty average and the Z Play essentially defining a new standard and effectively lasting twice as long.
Both have excellent displays, with the Axon 7's QHD mostly shining when it comes to VR, but again, difference during regular use is mostly negligible.
Where it all falls down is software and reliability. The software experience on the Z Play is nearly perfect, with an incredibly stable, smooth and near stock experience enhanced only by actually worthwhile features. It also comes with absolutely superior reception, be that WiFi, mobile, GPS or even bluetooth. It's always fast, never overheats and is as reliable as a phone can possibly be. It also comes with relatively fast Android updates and long software support.
ZTE's phone comes with a questionable at best custom UI, crippled stock features, buggy software, an insane amount of bloat and ZTE has a history of abandoning software support for their phones almost instantly, even for their former flagships. The Axon 7 is better than anything they have made before so this may change, but I personally wouldn't rely on that "maybe".
Honestly, ZTE's software overall software experience should be prohibitive at this point. Get a OnePlus 3T instead or, well, get the Z Play - an utterly brilliant phone in everything but overall camera performance (where it is merely good but not great).
If camera trumps all, go for the G5, but you should already be aware of LG's build quality issues - that hasn't changed with the G5 by most accounts.

Z2 Play or X⁴?

After months of "which phone next?", I was solidly set on the X⁴.
While researching this purchase, I found the unlocked, for all US carriers, Z2 Play.
Dilemma revisited...
Is the Z2 Play worth the extra $100?
It does have double the internal storage and ups the RAM by 1GB, so it could easily be justified, with that.
Big concern, will Moto Actions, Voice and Display be the same, on both of these as it is on the Moto X Pure Edition?
I'm really hooked on the custom wakeup word and reading my text to me, while driving.
I'd appreciate opinions and other 'vs.' thoughts.

Hey man, Moto Actions, Voice, and Display are all present on the Z2P. The big difference that you need to think about is that the X4 is 5.2 IPS, has a dual camera and no mods. Meanwhile the Z2P is 5.5 AMOLED, single camera, and you can use mods.

kiden said:
Hey man, Moto Actions, Voice, and Display are all present on the Z2P. The big difference that you need to think about is that the X4 is 5.2 IPS, has a dual camera and no mods. Meanwhile the Z2P is 5.5 AMOLED, single camera, and you can use mods.
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Unfortunately, there is no custom wakeup word in Moto Voice. I played with the app at best buy and it seems to only have 'show me' commands, but I bought Z2 unlocked version on swappa anyways.
Now, I have a 6P 128 and a Moto X Pure 32 to sell.
I'll keep my Moto X Pure 64 as a backup.
ETA, got the wife an X4 and the battery life is just as great as the Z2 Play.
I've had the Z2 Play for almost 2 months and with same daily usage, the battery life far exceeds the MXPE and 6P.

Hey Pablo, after another month, do you have any words of wisdom on preference between the Z2 and X4? I doubt that I would buy any mods for the Z2, but I like the storage capacity it offers. I will definitely root the phone also and it looks like Z2 is ahead in that area right now also. On the other hand, I like the water resistance, display screen, and dual cameras of the X4. I am not having huge problems with my XPE now; battery life is not great and internal storage is jammed full. So I would like to get a new phone, probably by February. Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.

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Hey Pablo, after another month, do you have any words of wisdom on preference between the Z2 and X4? ....
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I was stuck between these two, but ended up with the Z2. The 4 GB RAM and 64GB internal storage did it. I've had it just shy of three months and the wife has had the X4 for a month. With what I now know about the two, the Z2 would be an easy choice for me.
I prob won't get any mods, either, but the thinness is awesome in my pocket, especially compared to the MXPE.
The X4 is a decent phone, but a few things bother me:
A) Only 32GB internal storage which has 13GB taken up by OS files. I've read that it's some doubling of files, in order to make updates smoother.
B) 3 GB of RAM. The wife has not reported lag issues, but I want more RAM to enable the phone to be able to handle future needs.
C) The camera has a really bad lag, between pressing the go button and the pic actually being captured. I've side loaded a Google Camera apk and every time I test it, it snaps pics right after the button is pressed, but in real world use, she misses what she is trying to capture. Very frustrating.
D) Lack of availability of good cases. I like hybrid cases, like Speck or Incipio, with a hard back and grippy sides. There are no major manufacturers cases available for the X4.
E) X4 is kinda fat in thickness, when compared to the Z2 and I prefer the larger screen on the Z2.
Both batteries greatly out perform the MXPE, even when new. With the same daily usage and charging, I am usually left with at least 50%. The MXPE often required charging, in the evening, in order to make it to bed time.
I am really happy with my Z2 choice. I have been using the ONE BUTTON NAV feature and it's pretty awesome. Sometimes I forget which way to swipe it, when in landscape, using a nav dock and sometimes BACK goes all the way to the home screen, instead of just back one page in the app being used, but overall I like it.
I have rooted it and themed it. Making the backgrounds black is my major motivation for rooting. Since lollipop arrived with all of its white backgrounds and icons I have been a theming junkie. I'll be trying Xposed and Gravity Box, soon, but only for a few tweaks.
I really like tempted glass screen protectors! I think they feel better than a bare screen and they give me security piece of mind. I am using a TG PROJECTOR, to I can't recall which, and it is serving me well. It does not cover the entire screen side to side, but covers enough and the cutouts are accurate.
I have the Sleo snap case for weekend carry and is a great low profile and grippy case. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B072562YNT/ref=oh_aui_i_d_old_o1_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have a Speck Presidio for work days and it's quite grippy.
I also have an Otterbox Commuter for days that require even more protection, but is had a smooth back and is a bit hard to hold on to. I have a GadgetShieldz for a different phone (Z Force I think) that I will add to the back of the Commuter, in hopes of adding grip.
ETA: got the Gadgetshieldz camera and body protectors. I'm not impressed. The sandstone finish seems just as slippery as the Commuter case and the camera protector does not have precise cuts. I reckon they are cheap for a reason.
I have tried this camera protector, but they did not stay applied and are plastic, not glass.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B074FTS66N/ref=oh_aui_i_sh_post_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have GadgetShieldz camera films for both phones on their way, also.
I tried this case, before better cases were available and returned. It is cheap and not grippy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071ZS9R1X/ref=oh_aui_i_r_o1_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Too bad you missed the $350 price, from Moto's site, that was running for a few weeks! There are a couple on swappa.com right now.

After reviewing both, I've determined the Z2 Play as the far superior option. It's faster (even though not on paper), the camera's better, the software's better, and it has a nicer AMOLED screen.
https://thematridox.com/2017/11/17/moto-x4-review/
https://thematridox.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-play-and-new-moto-mods-review/

Thanks again Pablo for your thoughtful review/comparison. It did help me decide on the Z2P, and they are marked down again on the Motorola site. Not quite as good as the Black Friday deal, but good enough for me to order one. Now I just need to read up on the best root method so I am ready to go when it gets here in a couple of days.

I've got my Z2 Play (4/64) a few months ago. My wife got new X4 (4/64) this christmas. Both phones has advantages and disadvantages. Z2 Play have a better screen (AMOLED) and X4 have a much much better camera (apart from Z2 Play, wich is rubbish in photoshooting...).

Another voice from me, I've bought both phones :
Moto X4:
+ better camera support on XDA (stock camera is OK, but modded GCam... is often better, especially low-light)
+ newer chipset (better LTE modem - 600 Mbit, Bluetooth 5.0, faster graphics)
+ longer foreseen future (as it's chosen by Google for its Project Fi)
+ water/dustproof
- smaller storage (I've just discovered that - having almost no custom apps, just Spotify and GCam plus e-banking) I have only about 5.5 GB left
- hybrid dual-sim tray
- microSD card can only be formatted as portable storage
- slightly less "snappy" device (but this is just an impression maybe, really hardly noticeable)
Moto Z2 Play:
+ bigger, more impressive screen
+ more RAM (so slightly "snappier", just a little bit)
+ more storage
+ Mods support
+ dual SIM and microSD support at the same time - no "hybrid" slot
- GCam currently not possible (and probably never will be), so camera is noticeably worse, despite of its 1.7 aperture and laser AF
- single main camera (well, I really love the wide-angle one on Moto X4)
- Lenovo already has broken its built-in equalizer after one of latest updates - not working (but at least it sounds really OK even without EQ...)
- worse LTE modem (300 Mbit)
Common for both phones :
+ great battery life !
+ really nice sound via headphones
+ great, highly sensitive FM radio tuner
+ fantastic design and build quality
- so-so support for now

Xperia L1 is a phenomenal device and you should buy it

Ok, I have got myself an L1 - didnt have money for a premium device as I always tend to buy top phone, so I went with the reviews to buy a budget phone with a big screen and not a single review was in favor of L1
That is completely shi*. As soon as I entered the store, I realized L1 is 3x better than other similar phones. The biggest problem reviews are saying with L1 is that it doesnt have fingerprint sensor, compared to Motorola G5 and other similar price-range phones, completely disregarding the fact that this phone is miles, years and eons in front of all other manufacturers when it comes to design and quality. Something HTC had back in the day, premium build quality
First of all - If finger print sensor is so god-damn important than you are a girl with nude selfies. I had several Huawei devices with best finger-print make and not once did I activate that stuff, I dont even lock my phone so I dont get what the big fuss is
L1 >
- superb screen. (who ever says they see individual pixels at 267 PPI should get punched in the face)
- Better camera quality compared to ANY mid-range price device.
- Phenomenal build you would find in only premium phones, excluding the slightly thicker body.
- one of the best plastic finishes on plastic-body phones, ever
- guaranteed harder body than 99.9% phones ever made (if there is one phone you will hope survived 3 floors fall, it's this one)
- has Mediatek MT6737T which is really OK chipset, slightly slower CPU than Snapdragon 801, sligthly stronger GPU (snapdragon 801 is stronger than J7 2017 exynos SoC, for example)
- Sony has really tried on this one, to tone down the big chin-forehead bezel on it's design (74% screen to body ratio)
- exactly due to 720p and MTK chipset, 2620 Maph battery holds really really good, charges fast even though stock charger is 1A (I didnt even try the quick charge with 2A)
- a really simple solution to make phone not-slippery: make plastic rough but somehow matte so it looks great
- USB C on such a device, looking forward
Downsides:
- no earbuds ? seriously Sony ? you are the earbud people, japanese people, and you dont putt even those stock-shi* earphones ?
- no screen protector out-of-the-box, just that lame transparent thin shi* that falls off immediately
- my device needs force to plug-in USB-C, nothing big but noticeable
- poor choice of accessories compared to beaten-to-death HTC who makes those fancy cover-thingies with holes n' shi* even for budget phones , you need to up your game Sony
In my opinion, in this price range, there is no better device than L1. I dont care about fingerprint, my points of interest are phenomenal big screen, sturdy and quality build and lack of stupid design stuff on the phone you are surely gonna damage (like those frames with thin lines and glossy finish on Samsungs you are destined to chip, break, or damage) - this phone is great and you should buy it

Samsung stereo headset works 100%.
You can use screen protector for LG G4 even it looks weird.
I prefer type C because it has OTG support out of the box.
Other than the case, I can use all accessories on hand with no problem.

i got earbuds with mine, they are not great but not terrible but it hurts ears if you use it for a while.

My issue with the L1 is that too many apps wont transfer to my SD and of the ones that do there a too many that wont update while they're on the SD

Hay I'm planning to buy this phone
What can you tell me about speakers?
Is voice noisy or disorted?
Can you post some photos of your cameras?
Thank you

This device uses MEDIATEK chip. Can we use MTK Tool with it?

Igoritza said:
- superb screen. (who ever says they see individual pixels at 267 PPI should get punched in the face)
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Thanks for that you just made my day :laugh: :laugh:
I 100% Agree :good:
The entire Range of Sony/MediaTek devices M5, C4, C5, XA, XA1, L1, E5 and variants of are/were Awesome value for money and If I had the cash I would buy them all !!
Build quality is fantastic through out the range and you get Sony aftercare at the price of a obscure china import phone It's a no brainer to me.
The mediatek naysayer's/haters here on xda are usually noob's who never built anything ever and read old topics from ten years ago then spout the same old garbage (so annoying )
Igoritza said:
this phone is great and you should buy it
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Along with the XA XA1 they're a steal too :good:
Just looking at the L1 now Manufacturer Refurbished with 12 months Warranty "A1" condition and Sim Free £69
Similar deals on the XA and XA1 too but I really want the XA1 Ultra

Moto e5 plus (USA version) review

Hello people, hope you have a great day!!!
So the Moto e5 plus is a budget device as you may know. It has a snapdragon 425 (International) or 435 (USA) and from 2gb(international) to 3gb(USA) of RAM. Internal storage is 32gb and has expandable storage. The screen is a 720p HD+ display with a 18:9 aspect ratio and rounded corners, the phone is also made of glossy plastic. It has a single front firing speaker that doubles as a speaker for calls. The battery is a massive 5,000mah capacity one. Lastly, it runs Android 8.0 (Motorola comfirmed it isn't getting android P tho, but it will still get the security patches).
Ok now for the pros and cons of the phone:
Pros:
1. The 18:9 aspect ratio on a phone like this is amazing, not all budget phones offer such a great feature.
2. The performance in the 435 variant is pretty outstanding. Of course, it isn't meant for gaming so it will suffer a bit from that but the application loading times and everything else feels pretty good for a phone like this (honest opinion, it runs most of the apps better than my S7 XD)
3. The stock Android experience combined with the 3GB of RAM makes the phone multitask like a boss!!! Never had refreshes with 6 to 7 apps open including a game.
4. THE BATTERY is MASSIVE. 5,000 mah can give you up to 3 days of light usage (up to 2 days with heavier usage).
Cons:
1. The screen is 720p, so in terms of screen resolution it isn't good, but it has good color accuracy, however, due to the low pixel density you may not find it that great. Viewing angles also suffer a bit but that's to be expected.
2. The phone isn't getting Android P which is disappointing. Even the G6 play with the 425 will get android P so in terms of performance this would run it better. But oh well, Motorola doesn't like updating software for the E series I guess!!
3. The price of it can be expensive in the USA, cricket sells it cheap, T mobile sells it moderately overpriced and sprint way too overpriced.
4. The glossy plastic build can get scratched easily and it also doesn't feel premium by any means!!!
If you own an e5 plus tell me your review of it too in the coments section!!!!
That's all that I can tell, I didn't put camera pros and cons due to that being more of a personal preference and we already know what we deal with budget phone cameras so. If you still want the camera review let me a comment in the thread.

Question Is it worth it?

My current phone, a Google Pixel 3 XL, needs to replaced pretty soon as the USB port is somewhat broken and replacing it does not seem to really be worth it, due to some other things (brightness, camera, etc.) I am annoyed of.
I have been eying the new Sony smartphones for a while now and I am not sure whether it is really worth the 400€. My other choice would be a Samsung A52 5G and now I am wondering what you guys think about this Sony phone so far.
- Is the camera really as bad as the reviews suggest?
- Is the display bright enough to (properly) use it in the sun?
- etc.
cheers,
fd

I don't mind the camera. Though, I upgraded from an aging Sony Xperia XZ1c, so it's has a fair few more features than I am used to. I know that the Pixel line has historically had great pictures due to a combination of lenses and implementation/software. The implementation is where Sony lacks (especially on the Auto side). But... I don't often use my camera, so I don't often notice any issues with the results. It's fine for me!
I have not had much issue with display brightness in sun.. it is noticeably dim, but certainly not unusable.
Depending on your location in the world, you may want to check band support on the device and cross reference with with your country/carrier. The US is limited, the rest of the world may not be as much.
On paper, the Samsung A52 looks better, but I haven't looked much in to it. Around the same price, you may be able to find some deals on a Google Pixel 4a 5g if you want to stay with the Pixel line.
To me, the 10 III was worth it. I don't need flagship features, and the short comings don't bother me. I've used Sony devices for the past 12 years, and appreciate their effort to remain in the mobile space despite lacking sales. I think the 21:9 is pretty cool and works really well for the endless scrolling most folks do. The narrow width of the device is what I like most; it's the same width as my old XZ1c, but a bit taller.
I realize this is all a bit subjective to personal experience, but that's just how it is.
Hope this helps!

I've got this phone almost entirely due to the lack of a notch or some other obstruction to the display, and because of that aspect alone, I consider it worth it. The other good thing is Sony's Open Devices program, of which this device will hopefully be a part soon, opening up the possibilities for Sailfish OS, Ubports, etc. if that's your kind of thing.
But if you don't care about these additional features, then you can probably find a better bang-for-buck device without much effort. Especially if you don't get the wireless headphones deal from Sony.
Can't really say anything about the camera as I don't use it all that often (if it takes pictures, it's sufficient for me). Also not sure about the screen visibility in the sun as due to the pandemic I mostly stay inside anyways (working from home).

I am coming from Xperia XZ1 compact... the 10 III is only slightly bigger, and again a good device for outdoor use. Still water/dust resist, extremely fast and accurate position fix, display is perfectly bright outside, and due to the 12:9 format, you can hold, carry and operate it very good with just one hand. Performance is outstanding, of course - battery runtime is good.
No issues with the camera. Sure you will get an even better camera when you pay three time of what it costs, but for the price I would call it a very good device, worth every penny. Especially, I find the telephoto lense very useful. Sharp and natural pictures.
Magisk is working fine.

OP, I probably go with the Samsung. It supports a shared SD card slot, yes a data drive ie a dual drive handheld is now possible for you.
Used correctly this feature will become indispensable. All critical data goes on the SD card; OS, apps and temporary files on internal memory. You simple backup from the SD card then. When doing a reset factory you can reload everything from the SD card; no cloud, Playstore or PC needed. Hell yeah.
Samsung's are the most customizable stock Androids on the planet. Hundreds of free theme and icon packs on the Galaxy Store.
Samsung's tech support just plain sucks leaches on your ball sack bad though. If you're Android fluent this will not be an issue more than likely.
Sony tech support is no gem either
Samsung's tend to be bright but you should never use a AMOLED display in direct sunlight!!!
Samsung is at top with displays. This one could be a bit brighter... and live a shorter life.
Samsung Galaxy A52 5G Smartphone Review - Another chapter in a success story
The Samsung Galaxy A52 5G comes with a Snapdragon 750G, 6 GB of RAM, 128 GB of internal memory, microSD card support, an IP67 cerfication and a large 4500-mAh battery. However, the main feature of the Korean smartphone is a quad-camera system with a 64-MP main sensor.
www.notebookcheck.net
The newer Samsung cams are good, I have a Note 10+ and it captures great images.
Play with both first. Seeing them in person is worth a thousand pictures...
A comparison:
Compare Sony Xperia 10 III vs. Samsung Galaxy A52 5G - GSMArena.com
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Read more reviews on both.
Consider a used flagship model in excellent condition. Most Samsung batteries aren't that hard to replace.
Android 11 sucks, Pie is still my preferred weapon. So with a new phone you're stuck with 11 and it's lame CPU cycle eating scoped storage. Pie is still quit secure.. don't buy into the scare hype.

blackhawk said:
A comparison:
Compare Sony Xperia 10 III vs. Samsung Galaxy A52 5G - GSMArena.com
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I think it really depends on what to do with it.
For me, the main pro's for the 10 III: Corning 6 instead of 5, slimmer and more lightweight - perfect for outdoor use. With the Samsung, I had issues with the size of my pockets and my hand ;-)

oel7 said:
I think it really depends on what to do with it.
For me, the main pro's for the 10 III: Corning 6 instead of 5, slimmer and more lightweight - perfect for outdoor use. With the Samsung, I had issues with the size of my pockets and my hand ;-)
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The glass difference isn't much between 5 and 6 unless you drop it without a good case.
With no case don't think Corning 6 will save it... it's still glass.
Both are readily scratched by sand.