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Hi,
Opening this thread to try to gather input from these who have or have been exposed to MOTO ACTV watch.
I am particularly interested in BT connectivity (in theory 4.0), notification scope and performance (does it read Whatsapp messages or only sends sender name?), battery life and all operational aspects in general.
Comparisons to I'mWatch or MetaWatch most welcome.
Thanks and regards.
I've returned mine two days ago for a number of reasons.
First, performance. The watch itself is, as far as the installed applications go, relatively performant. Running music can do a little bit of a number on the map redraws but, alas, who cares. It's a fitness tool, it's not made to run Angry Birds. GPS seems to have massive issues locking on and keeping locked, however, for my first 10k run I lost GPS about 1 mile in (clear, open, sky. I checked my phone and my reference TomTom, both had good signal) and regained it only after 3 miles or so.
But here's all the bad stuff...
The device will not, officially, work with anything but Motorola phones. Yes, you can get the apk from other sources (or download it to your Xoom as I did, then suck and push), open the archive, muck with it to remove the check for motoblur.permissions in it, and install it on your non-Moto phone, but that's suboptimal.
Battery life is abysmal. I frequently run/bike more than two hours and that's about all the watch can handle with GPS on. Some people reported 3h with GPS and no music, but since the watch sells based on the fact that it will play music according to your state (it learns what music motivates you and plays it when you break down), that's a major loss.
Unlike the ads suggest, you don't get caller names over BT. Yes, they're theoretically available, practically it's numbers. Makes all the difference when running and deciding whether to answer or not.
Force Closes are quite common (though I hear some of those are fixed in the last update), as are complete watch reboots whenever BT connects or disconnects.
I mentioned GPS but it's so bad I have to mention it again. Seriously, of 14 runs I did with the watch only one, a two-mile run, had GPS for the whole duration. Customer support recommends standing still and letting the watch catch up. Yeah, right, I am at mile five of a fifteen mile run and will just stand still for a little? Nope!
The web interface is ... errrm, well... not so good. You can't delete individual workouts or fix whatever broke when the watch lost GPS or ran out of juice. Synced data is what you get, manual entry and changed data won't work at all or only badly.
The whole system is designed for high performance athletes. And that's the people who need more than two hours of battery life.
All in all, Android lured me in, but in the end not even that could keep me. Check out supportforums.motorola.com/community/accessories/motoactv for a lot of people who just aren't happy...
Shocking indeed.
And much appreciated, Sir.
yes, even in normal handphone, Android has a lot of unnecessary processes running in the background. it really is not an easy problem: complex software is needed to really determine for itself what to go off and on, so that only the minimal software need to be running at any one time. but then increase complexity of software may impact on higher power consumption as well. looking at windows....OS complexity is much higher than linux, as it tried to provide a lot more features, but this results in more frequent bug fixes, more security holes, slower runtime performance etc etc.
my take? watch should belong to another ultra-power-sensitive hierarchy of gadget, and thus even slimmer version of Android is needed. lesser features like scheduling is needed, but just direct realtime running of the exact component needed. MMU/memory refresh should not be there, as memory refresh does take up a lot of power etc. just like uClinux version of Linux, it should be something like uCAndroid (uC can represent micro-controller?).
thanks for the info you saved me alot of money
jluster said:
I've returned mine two days ago for a number of reasons.
First, performance. The watch itself is, as far as the installed applications go, relatively performant. Running music can do a little bit of a number on the map redraws but, alas, who cares. It's a fitness tool, it's not made to run Angry Birds
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That's weird because I saw CWM play angry birds with it on YouTube and it played fine.
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I like mine(but limited athletic use)
I am still within the window of being able to return mine, and switch to the wimm watch, but so far i like mine. The fact that i received it as a birthday present(so no money out of pocket) may be apart of my enthusiasm. I have only had the opportunity to use the watch for one work out. It was at 20% battery when i started(Hadnt charged it in two days) and after about an hour and a half work out i got the 10% alert. I wanted it as a device to mod, especially after i saw CMW rooted it, and Motorola scheduled a release of an api for it. I hadn't tested the GPS so i cant speak on it, but its a fun lil gadget. I will update you guys after a few more work outs.
Anyone get a chance to play with the wimm watch?
I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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Yes, more people bought it, so there are more devs.
What exactly you want developed for G3?
Kernels? Nah, you can't jump higher than lg did. It's already optimised. You can, of course, add some GCC flags, change toolchain, etc etc etc... For a marginal improvement, at best. Well, you can add undervolting, some modules (ntfs, gamepads, etc), advanced sound control... What else?..
Roms? Well, developing "only for G3!" roms isn't the best idea. Besides, some popular AOSP roms are already ported to g3, ones that haven't been ported don't even have stable 5.0 builds yet. Modding stock rom is almost impossible right now, apktool doesn't fully support neither 5.0, neither lg's special apk's (two apk's with id of 127 sharing resources? LG-way, lol.), so good custom roms aren't even possible yet.
And no, we won't get more support. If you want tons of support - buy Samsung.
I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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i agree with both of the posts here and to really answer the first question, there is nothing that i specifically want developed i just was kinda confused as to why the forums are not filled with roms and kernals but you made a good point about saying quality over quantity.. I do really enjoy this phone and consider it the top of the line right now but we will see......
Honestly we have a fair amount of roms at this stage and it will only get better and better but as far as kernels goes I'd wish to see some more with overclocking/undervolting/profiles features in them ..
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Been offered a straight trade for HTC one M8 might take them up on it
As a person coming from Samsung S2, S3, Note 3, I can say that Lg is doing a great job with the G2/G3 stock software! Way better than Samsung! Yes you'll find fingerprint features and some other useless bells and whistles, but LG software is solid, almost lag free, and battery life is king!
During my lifetime with Samsung, I spent most of my time cheating its software with Cyanogenmod.
So, would I be sad to not have the same amount of support on S5? Definitely no! I think what we have is valuable and I haven't felt yet that I need to run away to CM11/12.
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
I know some have stated they see lag in the UI such as when they open a drawer, or swipe between screens and such. I guess I've never noticed that before, so maybe they come from a different phone that responded better in their eyes. Things that can help are possibly reducing the animation, but a possible issue could be the screen size. This phone packs a lot more pixels in it than the S5, so I could see how rendering on a screen with a larger pixel density could cause this. However, for me, I don't really notice it, and even if it is there, it must not be a huge amount or else I'd notice it.
As for battery life, I don't know what people are expecting. I get at least a days (24 hours) worth. Now, granted I'm running Greenify which has helped me on other phones, so I'm sure that has a hand in it. However, there was a time I wasn't running Greenify at first with this phone and I remember having the phone charged at 100% when I went to bed, took it off the charger, left it on (I used it as an alarm clock plus as my on-call phone) and when I woke up 6+ hours later, it was STILL at 100%. Adding Greenify has helped to prevent apps from wake locking, but that's not the phone's fault. That's how some apps are written and that in and of itself can cause battery drain, but it's even worse if you out-right kill the app/service all the time.
I make and take phone calls (not all day, mind you), I send and receive texts (not every minute). I do play games (Game of War a lot) and that does drain the battery, but that's going to happen on any phone. I've listen to music on my phone, especially when driving to/from work and other errands. One time, I must have logged over 2 hours on Power Amp. I wanted to see how much it drained the battery, so I kept note of where the battery was at when I started listening and where it was when I stopped listening. Over a two hour total period of listening to music, the battery drained 2%. Not bad if you ask me.
I'm just curious because right now, with this phone, I'm getting better battery life than I did with my RAZR MAXX and my RAZR HD phones. This phone I could possibly go two days before charging. After about 36 hours, I'm at 40% battery, so I could probably go another 12 hours, but when I get to 40%, that's when I start charging back up again.
I'm not trying to dispute what people are saying. I'm just curious as to what people are expecting vs. what they are getting (or perceive as getting) from this phone. Again, most of the time, we get generic statements as "battery life sucks" or "it lags". Great. Please back that up with examples because otherwise, it's all in the eye of the beholder as to what great or sucky battery life is and/or what lag is.
Just to show, im currently at 60% after 21 hours of use. That's with phone calls, playing Game of War, texting, etc. I've attached the screenshot as well.
Just comparing to my Note 3, with stock FW but apex launcher.
Battery would last in excess of a day with quite heavy use, games Internet browsing etc. BT always on auto brightness.
Apps would also open instantly or as expected.
The G3 can has a battery life of less than 4hrs with little or no use. Consumes 18-19% in 7hrs overnight.
Finding myself charging the phone at every opportunity.
I know the Note 3 didn't come with qi, but the qi on the G3 is sooo picky. 1mm off and it doesn't charge.
Using stock launcher just pressing home, first the wallpaper loads followed by the icons then the widgets. No what would be called snappy.
And OMG does it get hot!!! For no reason at all. Not playing games, just emails and Web browsing.
So now I am left wondering if the phone is faulty.
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iBolski said:
I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
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I have both "issues".
"poor" is g3's screen-on time on 5.0 while browsing using 4g. 5-5:30 hours on latest firmwares isn't much. It was nearly 7 hours on 4.4.2... I always set brightness to 20% auto, lighting conditions are always same.
I use phone for browsing and listening to locally stored music via Bluetooth. No watching or shooting videos or playing games.
After 5 hours of 4g web browsing i am left with empty battery.
Lag:
I define lag as "animation stuttering". I am seeing it everywhere: Vkontakte, Google Play Store, while opening drawer, switching tasks, etc... It lags often, but not always.
I have 47 user apps installed, 0 additional system apps.
The only apps that keep background services or use alarms are: Aqua mail, LMT, SBH52 smart headset, Titanium backup.
There are 4 apps using GCM for push.
There are 6 accounts (Google, Shazam, Skype, VK, tutu.ru and one money app) at sync section.
And i have got 5.4 gb free out of 25 on intsd. Shouldn't slow down writing much.
A perfect setup, right? But it still lags on official firmware.
I would assume you aren't running anything like Greenify, etc. What it sounds like is there are a lot of wake locks going on. That's where Greenify comes in. I also turn off a lot of syncs as I don't need them. As you can see with my screenshot, 60% is where I was at after 21 hours so thus phone can definitely get good battery life. But, if you do a lot of stuff for hours, no phone can keep it's battery life for long. Also, with the quad hd screen this phone has, that is a big drain, but even then, I'm getting great battery life.
Another thing with going to 5.0, it's best to start fresh. Do a factory data reset and start from scratch. Going from 4.x to 5.0, especially with Lollipop, had a lot of changes underneath the hood. There are others getting better or the same battery life, but i also think it all depends on usage.
I dont know with other guys here.but i am very happy with the lg g3 forums
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I already dumped mine at a huge loss. I would say worst phone ever, but that goes to my first Android, the Moto Backflip. Thank goodness my other phone is a M8.
Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
Only thing i'm having problems with is the fact that the ram is always overload. Used titanium to remove and freeze alot of stuff but still the ram usage is about 1.3 to 1.6gb.
This is on stock rom which is very good to me with no lag and everything an launcher needs.
Battery life from the G3 is very good, on my previous phone I was affraid to leave the house if the battery wasn't filled to 100% with the G3 i left yesterday at 62% and returned from work with still 46% (off course with no heavy use) while my data is always on.
Conclusion for me after a month of use, good value for the money.
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Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
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Greenify isn't for lag. It's for battery life.
Again, each to his own. I think it all depends on the perception of the user and what they expect and what they've gotten in the past from other phones.
Form me, this phone blows the RAZR MAXX and RAZR HD out of the water, which is what I came from and I get great battery life (well over 36 hours) before I have to recharge. And even then, at 40%, I probably could go another 12 hours but I choose not to.
Just last night, before I went to bed, the phone was at 100%. When I woke up 6 hours later, it went down only 2%, so I had 98% battery left. I've since used it to check email, read the news, played about 45 minutes of Game of War and did some updates via Google Play and I'm at 90%. That's after 9 hours since I last charged. I'd say those are pretty darn good stats for me.
Again, mileage may vary from user to user and what they expect. And from the responses I'm seeing, that's what I'm gathering. Some are saying the phone is great, others say it's okay, and others say it's awful coming from another phone. So, that definitely shows that it's all in the eye of the beholder.
But I appreciate what everyone has posted. It does appear that some who didn't like this phone have been able to find a phone that works great for them. I always try to state why a phone works great "for me" because that's what it is. It's not necessarily going to work great for someone else, but I also don't want to steer someone towards this phone if it doesn't meet their needs, so I try to explain why and how it works for me as I'm the user of this phone, and everyone else might use it differently.
Ciao!
I don't get why a lot of people are complaining about lag and support and s*** like that.
You are getting lag probably because:
(A) You don't know how to use your phone.
(B) You picked up the 16GB model (which only has 2GB RAM
(C) You're not rooted (seriously, who doesn't root their phones nowadays)
When I got this phone, I didn't have it rooted for a month. Everything was smooth despite having a lot of apps installed. It only became a lag machine when I installed Facebook and its Messenger app.
Yes there are lags from time to time, but do iPhones not lag? Of course they do, all phones do. I don't see all you guys' point.
A good phone doesn't need any sort of custom ROM and kernel, etc etc. Mine has always been on Stock ROM and Kernel, minimal lag. iPhone-like smoothness, I must say (but plus good multitasking. iOS multitasking is s***) In fact, when I upgraded to Android 5.0, it got even better.
I have stayed stock most of the time but I always have Greenify installed, (but battery life was still great before rooting and installing Greenify)
You people are just picky.
Not sure why people are seeing 18%+ drop in battery overnight in standby mode. Must either have a lot of synching going on or a misbehaving app or two.
Me, when I'm at home, WiFi is turned on. I have minimal syncing (apps, calendar, google+, photos).
Here is a screenshot I took this morning. When I first woke up, I was down to 98% overnight (was at 100% when I went to bed at midnight and when I woke at 6:30 am, it dropped only 2%).
At the time I took this screenshot, I had already read the news, did some updates, checked emails, and played about 30 minutes of Game of War and I was down to 94%. That seems like good battery life to me.
Of course, if you really want to improve the battery life of this phone, maybe you can go to Amazon and get this upgrade for the G3:
http://www.amazon.com/Warranty-Zero...id=1411938311&sr=8-1&keywords=zerolemon+lg+g3
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so i just upgraded from a galaxy s3 to the s6 and after a day ive noticed that the battery on the watch is draining a lot slower.
im guessing this is because the s6 uses a more efficient bluetooth standard?
no, afaik the watch does not use low energy mode. If I wanted to make a quick guess It would be the phone is responding to request like weather (which does a location check) faster. Also I am sure lolipop on the phone helped in some way.
It could also be because you had to resync everything for the new phone. I've heard that resyncing can help with battery life (probably clearing out unneeded old junk data or something) so that's a possibility too.
if you will use the phone with old bluetooth version it will work less time on battery, s6 is have fresh version of bluetooth so there is a small chance that it will work a bit longer
after a weekend of use im amazed. the battery life of the watch is probably doubled. the new phone is even better
it definitely wasnt a memory leak or anything that a wipe would have fixed as i had wiped it multiple times before. also i had lollipop on the gs3.
eldar, the s3 uses bluetooth 4.0, does not support LE. Unfortunately I searched again and I can't come away with a definet yes or no on if android wear actually uses LE. LE is fine for heartbeats (tiny transmissions that happen constantly) but is to slow for things like sending voice, watchfaces, apps that rely on any graphic data from the phone. When pebble eventually started beta testing LE connections on the iOS platform (so ironic now considering how apple is snubbing em now) people were complaining how there was large delays on notifications like call rings and text messages. I am fairly certain the LE code never made it to the android side. Just my experience.
according to the specs for the 360 posted on android central it does have le
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-360-specs
I wouldn't be surprised if the phone simply has better Bluetooth range/power/connection. One day recently I was flying and had my phone on airplane pretty much the whole day, but forgot to airplane the watch. I got TERRIBLE battery life for that day, presumably because the watch was constantly trying to contact the phone (similar to how your phone battery will die if you're somewhere without cell signal and it's blasting out trying to reach a tower)? Not sure if there's any merit to that, but if so then that might explain it.
I wanted to see if it's just me but this phone seems to have the worst battery life of any phone I've ever owned. I will text and use GPS a few times during the day and it stays in wifi most of the time. However it seems to be draining much to fast and getting hot while doing normal things. I've already swapped it out for another phone since I'm still in the 14 day return policy but the new one seems to be doing g the same thing. I attached a screen shot for you guys to see. Am I crazy?
UPDATE: One thing I hadn't done after the 5.1.1 update was factory reset. Once I did this, battery life seemed to get better. it is still not impressive though. Hope the S7 over comes this.
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I wanted to see if it's just me but this phone seems to have the worst battery life of any phone I've ever owned. I will text and use GPS a few times during the day and it stays in wifi most of the time. However it seems to be draining much to fast and getting hot while doing normal things. I've already swapped it out for another phone since I'm still in the 14 day return policy but the new one seems to be doing g the same thing. I attached a screen shot for you guys to see. Am I crazy?
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I get a full day of battery life, on average. Of course heavy use requires that I recharge more often, if I use GPS all day while traveling.
I am rooted, run a custom ROM that is heavily debloated and use Greenify.
My phone would get about 10-16 hours of use in a full charge, the longest battery life I've got was 1d 1hr and 6min. I play some games, listen to a couple of hours of Spotify, Facebook, and some YouTube. and I use Amplify, Greenify, and PowerNap to save battery.
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My phone would get about 10-16 hours of use in a full charge, the longest battery life I've got was 1d 1hr and 6min. I play some games, listen to a couple of hours of Spotify, Facebook, and some YouTube. and I use Amplify, Greenify, and PowerNap to save battery.
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I tried powernap, and it kept giving me SOD. How did you avoid that? Also, curious as to if you greenify any system apps. I just greenify messenger and snapchat. Also, using amplify too.
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I tried powernap, and it kept giving me SOD. How did you avoid that? Also, curious as to if you greenify any system apps. I just greenify messenger and snapchat. Also, using amplify too.
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I used to get SOD, but not anymore, not sure how I avoided that, maybe factory reset? I greenify all the apps I have lol, its not necessary but I do it, I greenify some system apps like Facebook, Instagram. Look for the Extreme Battery Life thread in the XDA forums.
I am definitely getting horrid battery life on this device. I usually root within a week of getting a device, but this is my first Samsung device in a very long time, and I don't fully understand the whole "tripping Knox" thing, and how it will affect my Sprint TEP insurance. I installed Greenify, but it's not quite worth it without root. Sigh....
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I am definitely getting horrid battery life on this device. I usually root within a week of getting a device, but this is my first Samsung device in a very long time, and I don't fully understand the whole "tripping Knox" thing, and how it will affect my Sprint TEP insurance. I installed Greenify, but it's not quite worth it without root. Sigh....
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What you will lose if you trip Knox is the ability to use Samsung Pay. That is it. Should have no impact on your insurance. If needs be, you can always Odin back to stock. Sprint doesn't look at Knox, not in my experience anyway.
If you root, which is the goal here, you will need to lose the Samsung Pay service and, while rooted, the ability to use Android Pay.
If you don't care about those......well, as Darth Vader once said, come over to the Dark Side!
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What you will lose if you trip Knox is the ability to use Samsung Pay. That is it. Should have no impact on your insurance. If needs be, you can always Odin back to stock. Sprint doesn't look at Knox, not in my experience anyway.
If you root, which is the goal here, you will need to lose the Samsung Pay service and, while rooted, the ability to use Android Pay.
If you don't care about those......well, as Darth Vader once said, come over to the Dark Side!
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My friend.... you have just made my day. Samsung pay does not work with my bank, and I'd much rather get these massive amounts of bloatware off of here, than be able to swipe my phone to pay at Walmart.
yamus08 said:
My friend.... you have just made my day. Samsung pay does not work with my bank, and I'd much rather get these massive amounts of bloatware off of here, than be able to swipe my phone to pay at Walmart.
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Here is a guide to help you get started: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s6/general/how-to-to-100-stock-root-t3075448
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I don't know, but what I have to say is that the latest update has worsened the battery life
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I don't know, but what I have to say is that the latest update has worsened the battery life
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Yes, it definitely did. The update a mere month before that optimized battery life and this update just zapped the battery life right out of it. I had to root and delete most of the stock apps just to get some battery salvation.
I deleted
Facebook Stub
Com.facebook.system
Com.facebook.appmanager
Google Drive
Google+
Samsung pay and the framework,
Sprint ID
Sprint Fun & Games
Sprint Zone
"galaxy apps" and the widget
OneNote
Live Weather
Knox(all 6 of them including KLMS Agent)
Lookout
Hangouts
Google Play Newsstand
Google Play Movies
Google Play Music
After doing this, my battery is going on strong like a champ, and this is even while streaming Periscope with the display around 50% settings. I have't seen it drop even 10 percent in almost 20 minutes, the screen has been on while typing this up and it hasn't dropped even 1 percent.
Don't delete any more than these apps, otherwise you're gonna feel dumb cuz you just potentially bricked your phone. So be smart and only delete the apps I listed. Good luck!
I know, our device has really great battery life and I don't have anything to complain about that, but a friend of mine just got himself a new phone and his values make me a bit jealous and most of all: surprised and stunned.
He got himself a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (SD 625 variant, MKT variant really sucks), it has the same processor, same display and not even 700 mAh more (4100 mAh) and he got with some "dev rom" (made by Xiaomi, seems to just be the beta of that ugly MIUI 9, based on Andorid 7.0) 6h of SOT, doze seems to haven't really kicked in in that time. in their forum in the SOT thread I see people getting normally about 8-10 with up to over 12 h of SOT, most of them on stock ROM without any additions. And I'm quite irritated about that huge of a difference with not that much more battery. And he seems quite convinced that it's not on the cost of performance, you should notice that quickly on such a heavily skinned ROM.
Now my question is: how in hell is that even possible? I mean our devices seem quite comparablewith just a slight bump in battery but near-stock AOSP Android against pretty much an iOS clone. Does anyone have any idea what could cause that big of a difference? And if it's software based could that be done on our device? Because my experience and from different posts our device lasts about 5-6 h normally.
I mean I'm already lucky about my 2 days of usage with up to about 2.5 days on some weekends where I have a lot of stuff to do. But I wouldn't mind a bit of extra. But my biggest problem with that is as simple as: how? I could really use some explaination right now...
I don't have issues with device.. stock 7.1.1 with dec.patch, unlocked bootloader, with latest magisk. Also installed greenify.
Then you are one of very rare cases. My experience is about half of that.
And I also meant on stock ROM, without any modifications. So I don't know which apps you greenified, but that was not the point. I use Greenify too but more for apps that aren't supposed to run constantly in background when I only use it very seldomly.
The norm for this phone is 8+ hours SOT. Sometimes I get 10 and a few have had up to 12. Unless you're gaming 8 should be easy. 5 hours means something is wrong with your phone hardware, you have a rogue battery eating app or you're gaming. I rarely charge my phone over the weekend even when I use it a lot.
Well, neither of that is the case and I rarely see people claiming more than 6h of SOT
So the answer to your question is, it's the wrong question. The question should be, why does my battery not last very long and what apps or usage causes me to have such poor battery life? Compared to the Redmi Note 4 the Z Play is exactly where it should be.
Here's a link to the SOT thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/review/screen-time-t3643959
gsmarena battery life test 100h endurance rating: https://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3?idPhone=8310#show
Here's an app to help diagnose battery condition (Accubattery): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.digibites.accubattery&hl=en
also betterbatterystats is really helpful.
I sincerely hope you get it sorted out!
Well, gsam isn't detecting any app that's off even with root so I don't think there is any. I installed that AccuBattery app, let's see what it has to say
Removed because of ****ty q&a system...
Oh, and another thing I noticed: I get very randomly reboots, and every time the battery percentage drops massively. Just had a 30% drop. And after the reboot the battery percentage seems like frozen. Now I rebooted and plugged in the cable and got 44% again... No fast charging. Do that detection seems very off
Motorola forum isn't helpful at all. Clearing cache and dalvik didn't change anything and running around for a week in secure mode (that's how random they mostly are) or even doing a factory reset without restoring apps is out of question for obvious reasons.
That's pretty weird. Did you try a factory reset and after restore your apps? There's not a lot you can do if you're not rooted, but you shouldn't need to do much anyway on stock rom.
Only other option is full RSD lite OS restore as a last resort.
I am rooted for long, that's why I use Greenify. I know it also works without but then it's a joke. As RSD lite is, it just refuses for everyone to detect anything on Windows 10.
Factory reset is out of question for the moment, it takes way too long to do it properly (with titanium and NANDroid backup first) and I won't have that much time probably for the whole of this month. Otherwise I would most likely already have went off to the next best custom ROM since Motorola just can't get their **** together and still work on 8.0 in test for 2.5 month with searching testers for another one.
I think the next thing I'll do is to try the good old battery calibration, just have to find the file storing the statistics. I know many say that won't work but that's rubbish, it worked for me already a few times
Update: no, no change. Don't know if that funky battery percentage bug on random reboots still happen since I haven't had any again yet, but they come too random and unpredictable.
And that AccuBattery just proves to be worthless. It tries to estimate the rest capacity, but then it even fails to detect original capacity by 500 mAh. The battery sucker stats are also unrealistic. It puts chrome first with 10%, while GSam with root puts it 5th at 4.6% after kernel, Spotify, Android system and fight services. Android itself even puts it 9th with screen, phone idle, cell standby, Android OS and Bluetooth in-between.
So let's see what happens first. Motorola releasing 8.0, which I will flash through the .xml.zip, this time using flashfile.xml which should force a factory reset... Or me finding the time to switch to a custom ROM
Edit: so I got another one, bit this time no crazy battery drop. But the other times I killed of the soft reboot sequence because Magisk can have some problems with that. This time I didn't
Yesterday I was finally able to do the factory reset since those darn random reboots became too annoying and Moto's support is had just the most ridiculous ideas... In the worst way.
Either way, now OTA looks better, let's see how it will turn out in the next days