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I thought I read that it will prevent them.
Or is it just a custom recovery (CWM) that will prevent them?
I just wanted to make sure I get 4.2 on day one one is released.
That is one of the greatest mysteries of the Common Era, especially since there at least 50 past threads on this subject, and yet it is impossible to find an answer (apparently)...
BTW - you do realize that with a rooted phone and custom recovery you can actually flash what the hell you like, and don't have to wait for someone to push it to you...?
Yes, I realize that you can flash broken or preview builds of new releases...or nightlies with broken features.
I'm interested in stable builds only.
That's why I'm asking.
With the Galaxy Nexus, the dev teams usually have the OTA available to flash within a day of it hitting. You will typically get it from devs before your device will let you OTA.
Root users (especially on nexus devices) always get it first!
Another good thing about Nexus is that its gonna be a stable release.
Rooting doesn't prevent OTAs. Now a custom recovery on the other hand will stop automatic install but it will still download and try.
Root itself doesn't stop an OTA. Custom recovery, different radios, and changed/modified/removed system apps/files do.
Ruggerxpunk said:
I thought I read that it will prevent them.
Or is it just a custom recovery (CWM) that will prevent them?
I just wanted to make sure I get 4.2 on day one one is released.
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I also agree that it's CWM that prevents the OTA update from being written to your Nexus. Yesterday I was in the same situation as you (unlocked bootloader and rooted) with stock Jelly Bean 4.1.1. I downloaded the new 4.1.2 file from google and followed these excellent instructions:
(had to remove link....not enough posts...go figure)
The mistake I made yesterday, even though I had an existing BU made by Titatium Pro, I didn't copy that BU to my PC so I didn't get my apps data updated (messed up a game, email configuration, groove ip, google voice)....learned on that one:>)
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Root itself doesn't stop an OTA. Custom recovery, different radios, and changed/modified/removed system apps/files do.
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This.
If you root and remove system apks like Google plus or currents, any ota update will fail to install, even on stock recovery with locked boot loader.
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More accurately, it's the update script that stops the install of OTA's.
OTA's are typically a patched update, rather than a full update (meaning they only update parts of the OS). The OTA's are typically designed and tested to update X to Y, and are not designed for U, V or W to Y. In order to make sure that the update is actually updating X, and not U, V or W, the install script makes certain hash tab type checks on items such as Recovery, specific system apps, and even the Bootloader. Files that get added to the system, such as su and SuperSu, busybox, etc, are not typically checked for their presence during the install process.
Not every OTA is the same, and not not every install script is the same. Past experience shows that Recovery, system apps, and sometimes Bootloader need to be un-modified for the script to pass its checks and balances, but there's no guarantee that this will be the case for the next update. On the Nexus One, it threw everyone for a loop when the updates started checking the Bootloader for the first time, especially since a lot of people were deliberately trying to avoid updating to a particularly restrictive Bootloader (which was probably restrictive for a reason, hence the check to make sure it was being used). I used to modify the updates to remove certain checks; when I wanted to use an alternate Recovery for example. Removing the checks would allow the update to install, regardless of the changes - of course, you had to know the risks.
The real answer is that you never know what an update is going to check, and hence you will never know what will make it fail.
I recommend pulling apart an update to see what it is doing, and then there will be less guesswork and speculation...
No offence to adrynalyne, martonikaj, etc - who I know know their shizzle
Well, I was speaking more on behalf of the updater function rebooting but not able to get a 3rd party recovery to actually install the update package; I am guessing because the command it sends to recovery is invalid for the custom recovery. But you can reboot to the custom recovery and manually install it.
I've never investigated past that.
And definitely no offense taken. I am always open for being corrected or learning new things
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I am guessing because the command it sends to recovery is invalid for the custom recovery. But you can reboot to the custom recovery and manually install it.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. A lot of people either assume or are given the impression that a custom recovery actually prevents an OTA update, when it really just prevents the update from happening automatically. It's an important distinction to someone who wants to learn and understand the process. I've seen people flash back to stock recovery so they could get an OTA update, then flash back to their custom recovery... instead of just booting into their custom recovery and choosing the update zip.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. A lot of people either assume or are given the impression that a custom recovery actually prevents an OTA update, when it really just prevents the update from happening automatically. It's an important distinction to someone who wants to learn and understand the process. I've seen people flash back to stock recovery so they could get an OTA update, then flash back to their custom recovery... instead of just booting into their custom recovery and choosing the update zip.
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Another important distinction.
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Another important distinction.
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Great info in this thread....thanks to all!
I can cofirm receiving OTAs on rooted devices (not the GNex though), and the only issue I ran into was frozen apps. As long as I unfroze them before flashing, and had the stock recovery. I had not issue (LG Ally and Asus TF201)
Hello All,
I am a beginner to all this stuff. I wanted to root my phone after seeing OnePlus One running on CyanogenMod. So, first I tried to directly install the Mod using the softwares downloaded from Cyanogen's website. But the software gave the error "Unsupported Firmware". Then I researched a bit on manually installing the mod. I followed the instructions.
- First I rooted my phone with Odin 3.09v
- Installed ROM Manger on my phone (Meanwhile the SuperSU app kept on crashing)
- Somehow I managed to install ClockworkMod (What I did was downloaded SuperSU apk, installed it again. It started working and then, not losing the chance I installed ClockworkMod).
- Then I tried to install CyanogenMod through ROM Manager
- My phone re-booted and then gave a error "Can't install package on incompatible data".
- I'm having the latest snapshot version on CyanogenMod.
- Then I left the things as it is. No rooting, unrooting, etc.
- So, now I tried to take backup of my current ROM, in case something happens at least I'll be having something with me to recover
- I used ROM Manager to take backup. But it gave the error "Can't create the image"
So, now I'm stuck between middle of nowhere. Please help me out to reach to some point.
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Hello All,
I am a beginner to all this stuff. I wanted to root my phone after seeing OnePlus One running on CyanogenMod. So, first I tried to directly install the Mod using the softwares downloaded from Cyanogen's website. But the software gave the error "Unsupported Firmware". Then I researched a bit on manually installing the mod. I followed the instructions.
- First I rooted my phone with Odin 3.09v
- Installed ROM Manger on my phone (Meanwhile the SuperSU app kept on crashing)
- Somehow I managed to install ClockworkMod (What I did was downloaded SuperSU apk, installed it again. It started working and then, not losing the chance I installed ClockworkMod).
- Then I tried to install CyanogenMod through ROM Manager
- My phone re-booted and then gave a error "Can't install package on incompatible data".
- I'm having the latest snapshot version on CyanogenMod.
- Then I left the things as it is. No rooting, unrooting, etc.
- So, now I tried to take backup of my current ROM, in case something happens at least I'll be having something with me to recover
- I used ROM Manager to take backup. But it gave the error "Can't create the image"
So, now I'm stuck between middle of nowhere. Please help me out to reach to some point.
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Ok, first I think your SuperSu is not working properly. Open the Supersu app to see if it needs to update binaries. If it continues to crash, go into recovery manually (not using rom manager) and flash the latest SuperSu. Wipe Cache, go to advanced and Wipe Dalvik. Reboot. Your phone will say "android is upgrading" for a bit. Once it's booted up, go back into the supersu app and see if it needs to update binaries, if so- let it update, if not- move on. Here's a link to download SuperSu 2.02
Go back into recovery manually and select backup and restore-> backup to sdcard (or sdcard1, external sd, is my preference) This will start the backup process.
Once that is done, you need to find the CyanogenMod file specific to your phone, then you can enter recovery and flash it.
If you have trouble entering recovery, you can flash a new one via recovery or with odin.
Hello absinthesummer,
I followed every instruction you told. Now I'm done till creating backup. The problem now I'm facing is this 'Status 7' error. It says "Can't install package on incompatible data.....". Now what to do?
Status 7 is a very specific error. It means your recovery is out of date. Get the absolute newest you can find and try again. This is good news though, you've got progress!
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Edit: flash the latest recovery you can find via Odin. You probably won't be able to do it in recovery while you're getting the status 7 error.
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Status 7 is a very specific error. It means your recovery is out of date. Get the absolute newest you can find and try again. This is good news though, you've got progress!
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Edit: flash the latest recovery you can find via Odin. You probably won't be able to do it in recovery while you're getting the status 7 error.
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No, I've got the latest recovery. But I figured out the problem. It was with the package I downloaded. The CM 11 M9 version was giving errors. I researched and tried few fixes, but still it didn't work.
The fixes I tried :-
1. Deleting some coding lines from the updater-script file. But this fix gave the status 6 error.
2. Changing the updater-script file format to UNIX format. Then again it gave the status 7 error.
So, what I did, when I had no more brain to fix it, I downloaded the CM 11 M6 version and tried installing it. And VOILA! It worked. Then I updated it to M9 version through phone. Now it's working. Though it has some bugs. And some features are missing too that I wanted badly.
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No, I've got the latest recovery. But I figured out the problem. It was with the package I downloaded. The CM 11 M9 version was giving errors. I researched and tried few fixes, but still it didn't work.
The fixes I tried :-
1. Deleting some coding lines from the updater-script file. But this fix gave the status 6 error.
2. Changing the updater-script file format to UNIX format. Then again it gave the status 7 error.
So, what I did, when I had no more brain to fix it, I downloaded the CM 11 M6 version and tried installing it. And VOILA! It worked. Then I updated it to M9 version through phone. Now it's working. Though it has some bugs. And some features are missing too that I wanted badly.
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Awesome! I'm glad you got it working. You can also try comparing the two files to see what's different, or maybe swap the updater script. Maybe you'll be able to get the one you wanted working with a little modification
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Awesome! I'm glad you got it working. You can also try comparing the two files to see what's different, or maybe swap the updater script. Maybe you'll be able to get the one you wanted working with a little modification
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Thanks to you. You too helped me in working it out!
But, I have some more questions
Question 1 : If I flash stock ROM on my rooted phone, will I receive the new updates? If yes, will I be able to install them via Kies on my phone without getting into any trouble?
Question 2 : If I install stock ROM of any other phone, say Galaxy S5, will it work on my phone properly without any problems? If yes, will I receive the updates for that too and able to install them via Kies? If no, is there any way to install it? Cause I have seen people using S5 ROM on Note 2.
First question the answer is yes. As long as you have the stock recovery and stock kernel (along with the stock rom) you will receive ota updates. You can use ota root keeper (an app) to keep root during an ota update. There are many people who choose to stay fully stock but root to get rid of bloatware & stuff. However, if you want to get ota, I recommend freezing the bloatware instead of uninstalling, because an ota usually replaces old bloatware with new bloatware and can sometimes abort the ota if those apps are missing... but keep on mind this is not always the case, only certain devices.
Second question, no you cannot. Roms from other devices have to be ported to be compatible. But if you look in the development forums, you can find many roms that are basically stock but have specific features from other roms, along with the system ui (ie S5, note 3, & so forth). These rom devs have ported either parts/features or full on roms to be compatible on our device. They are excellent! I recommend reading up them and if you see some you like, try them out!
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First question the answer is yes. As long as you have the stock recovery and stock kernel (along with the stock rom) you will receive ota updates. You can use ota root keeper (an app) to keep root during an ota update. There are many people who choose to stay fully stock but root to get rid of bloatware & stuff. However, if you want to get ota, I recommend freezing the bloatware instead of uninstalling, because an ota usually replaces old bloatware with new bloatware and can sometimes abort the ota if those apps are missing... but keep on mind this is not always the case, only certain devices.
Second question, no you cannot. Roms from other devices have to be ported to be compatible. But if you look in the development forums, you can find many roms that are basically stock but have specific features from other roms, along with the system ui (ie S5, note 3, & so forth). These rom devs have ported either parts/features or full on roms to be compatible on our device. They are excellent! I recommend reading up them and if you see some you like, try them out!
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- Stock Recovery
- Stock Kernel
- OTA Root Keeper
- Bloatware
Well, to be honest, just right now I learned these new terms but know nothing about them. Can you please give me a brief description for these four terms so that when I do advanced search on them, I'd have a idea in my mind about what these are. It will make it easy for me to understand the advance things.
And I'm looking for S5 ROM for my phone. Let's see what I get.
One more question. I made a backup of my rooted stock ROM via latest ClockwordMod, manually. Now, if I reset the binary counter using Triangle Away and then wipe Cache and Dalvik and then flash my stock ROM which is located on my memory card and then after flashing I use SuperSU to unroot and then a factory reset (I don't know the method of factory reseting cause I'm confused. Whether to do it manually, like going into recovery mode or just from the phone settings. So please tell me this also.), will my phone be unrooted totally?
And sorry for bugging you so much. I hate to do that, but I don't want to take risk with my phone. So I am just collecting information. I hope so many queries are not a problem for you.
Ok...
You already know what a rom is. A kernel is a lower-level base. It controls the hardware. So when you do something on the interface, in the rom, it tells the hardware how to react. (Ie if you're playing music it tells which speakers to play and how loudly). The kernel controls almost everything you can't see, it relates to performance. Most stock kernels can be limiting as they underclock the cpu by a certain percentage. Because of this, people seek out custom kernels to max out their device's potential. Louder speakers, faster cpu, better graphics, etc. This is all stuff the kernel can optimize... but because you can change so many factors there is a risk of instability if you push your device too hard (max performance) or limit it too much (max battery saving).
Recovery is exactly what it sounds like. When you boot your device the very first screen that pops up is the bootloader. It's giving you time to boot in 3 different modes. The first mode, by doing nothing, is a normal boot into the rom/OS. The second mode, which you get to by one button combination, takes you to recovery. The stock recovery is very limited. It gives you the option to factory restore, wipe cache, update, or boot normally. Stock recovery only exists for emergencies, if your phone fails to boot normally. We have custom recoveries so we can do more stuff, flash custom roms and tinker with things. The third mode is download mode/Odin mode. This is the bootloader interface itself. It's the last resort for recovery if your recovery has been damaged or corrupted. It allows you to connect to Odin or kies and perform an emergency recovery of the device. If you damage your bootloader, your device is completely bricked.
So the order of operation is this:
Lowest level- bootloader
Second level- recovery
Third level- kernel
Fourth level- rom
Bloatware is all the pre-installed apps that your carrier adds to your phone. Most people don't use it, don't like it, and don't want it. That why we root. Without root we basically are just guest users of the device. With root we become the administrators of the device. Until you root, your carrier has admin rights over your phone (to use windows terms).
When you receive an ota update, your carrier can make it to where the update won't proceed if their pre-installed apps have been removed (although this isn't always the case). Additionally, the update package itself checks the integrity of the device. It checks recovery, kernel, and rom. If any have been altered, it will not proceed because it could cause conflict and potentially brick your device. That's why those things have to be stock.
Ota root keeper is simply an app that backs up your superuser rights before an update and restores them after its done.
You should be able to find plenty of roms with S5 features. I'm using one that makes my device fully like an S5 (my device even thinks it is an S5 and every app identifies it as such) I can think of at least 2 others as well. There's plenty to choose from, and if you see a rom you like but it's mudding a particular feature, you can probably find that feature as a stand-alone installation in the forum's themes & apps section. Just about every feature of S5, S4, and note 3 has been ported to this device, so look around!
Also, for future reference, if someone helps you on the forum, hit the thanks button instead of saying it. I don't mind either way, but some people get annoyed and will stop helping them if they don't hit that button lol. It's silly, but it's part of "forum decorum"
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svikramajit said:
One more question. I made a backup of my rooted stock ROM via latest ClockwordMod, manually. Now, if I reset the binary counter using Triangle Away and then wipe Cache and Dalvik and then flash my stock ROM which is located on my memory card and then after flashing I use SuperSU to unroot and then a factory reset (I don't know the method of factory reseting cause I'm confused. Whether to do it manually, like going into recovery mode or just from the phone settings. So please tell me this also.), will my phone be unrooted totally?
And sorry for bugging you so much. I hate to do that, but I don't want to take risk with my phone. So I am just collecting information. I hope so many queries are not a problem for you.
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You're fine, I don't mind answering your questions. Yes, you can unroot fully in the way you just mentioned but you don't even have to go through all the trouble of factory reset. Just unroot in the app. The app can be uninstalled afterwards via the play store.
You can factory reset either way, the same commands are given no matter which way you go about it. But it can be more efficient to do it from recovery because when you do it from the rom it has to create a wipe script for when it reboots, and it has to shut down the rom first. If you do it from recovery it doesn't have to anything, the rom isn't running and it can execute the wipe command immediately. (The wipe command is wipe /data /cache etc)
Thanks again for all that great info!
Questions : Is there no way to fix the Bootloader if it gets damaged by chance? And which S5 ROM are you using?
svikramajit said:
Thanks again for all that great info!
Questions : Is there no way to fix the Bootloader if it gets damaged by chance? And which S5 ROM are you using?
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If you damage the bootloader it's a hard brick and you would have to send it in for jtag services (this is a low level emmc chip flash service) The bootloader won't get damaged unless you do something to corrupt it. If you ever feel the need to flash a new bootloader, do it via Odin, never recovery! If you remember that you should be fine.
svikramajit said:
Thanks again for all that great info!
Questions : Is there no way to fix the Bootloader if it gets damaged by chance? And which S5 ROM are you using?
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I meant to tell you I'm using DN3 rom. It has an aroma installer that lets you choose whether you want an S5 ui, a note 3 ui or a mixed ui. Choosing S5 ui & S5 build prop allows your device to work with S5 apps & it looks just like an S5. It's not the only rom out there, but it's beautiful, fast, and stable & the team works hard on it.
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I meant to tell you I'm using DN3 rom. It has an aroma installer that lets you choose whether you want an S5 ui, a note 3 ui or a mixed ui. Choosing S5 ui & S5 build prop allows your device to work with S5 apps & it looks just like an S5. It's not the only rom out there, but it's beautiful, fast, and stable & the team works hard on it.
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Hey absinthesummer!
I tried to unroot my phone with the method I told you. But in the restore option, I am stuck at 'Checking MD5 Sums..'. What to do now?
MD5 checking takes forever! You have to wait it out. Most recoveries offer a way to turn it off. You shouldn't have to factory reset though, just click unroot in the super su app and then uninstall the app from the play store.
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MD5 checking takes forever! You have to wait it out. Most recoveries offer a way to turn it off. You shouldn't have to factory reset though, just click unroot in the super su app and then uninstall the app from the play store.
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I waited and the system was restored. But I got an error on 'Restoring Data'. I rebooted the phone and now it's showing glowing Samsung logo from like 3-4 minutes.
I've seen that before. Can you get back into recovery? You may have to flash stock in Odin, flash recovery and then do the Restore again. Data got messed up.
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I've seen that before. Can you get back into recovery? You may have to flash stock in Odin, flash recovery and then do the Restore again. Data got messed up.
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I'll try removing the battery now. Let's see what happens.
Ok if you can get into recovery, do a fresh flash and then try to restore again. And see if it offers a way to turn off MD5 checking. That's why I use philz or twrp, they offer that and move much faster through MD5 check by default.
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If you still fail on data, flash stock in Odin, flash custom recovery, then you should be able to enter recovery and have a successful restore.
Okay so after getting tired of safetynet and other issues Google has put on us I'm wanting to switch to magiskSU but Everytime I tried I bootloop and have to clean flash my rom. This is what I'm doing
1. Flashed unSU in twrp
2.flashed stock boot.img
3. Flashed the magisk.zip
4.got an error saying it failed to install magisk.zip
But whenever I try to reboot to system (I've tried reinstalling SuperSU and without reinstalling as well) I got a bootloop Everytime can someone instruct me or tell me what I'm doing wrong?
WeUseLord- said:
Okay so after getting tired of safetynet and other issues Google has put on us I'm wanting to switch to magiskSU but Everytime I tried I bootloop and have to clean flash my rom. This is what I'm doing
1. Flashed unSU in twrp
2.flashed stock boot.img
3. Flashed the magisk.zip
4.got an error saying it failed to install magisk.zip
But whenever I try to reboot to system (I've tried reinstalling SuperSU and without reinstalling as well) I got a bootloop Everytime can someone instruct me or tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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What carrier/rom/update/etc?
WeUseLord- said:
Okay so after getting tired of safetynet and other issues Google has put on us I'm wanting to switch to magiskSU but Everytime I tried I bootloop and have to clean flash my rom. This is what I'm doing
1. Flashed unSU in twrp
2.flashed stock boot.img
3. Flashed the magisk.zip
4.got an error saying it failed to install magisk.zip
But whenever I try to reboot to system (I've tried reinstalling SuperSU and without reinstalling as well) I got a bootloop Everytime can someone instruct me or tell me what I'm doing wrong?
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In Short. Currently for our device to have magisk, you need to use the boot image that @joemossjr and @Uzephi developed with Magisk support. Then install the magisk app. No zip install.
Refer to Joe's thread for the boot image at this link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-force/how-to/how-to-root-moto-z2-force-t-mobile-t3672933
I would have went into detail and used a short link, but my head is currently throbbing so this is easier lol.
Edit: then realized your replied a minute before I Uzephi haha.
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What carrier/rom/update/etc?
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Spring stock rom on the original August update
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Acoustichayes said:
In Short. Currently for our device to have magisk, you need to use the boot image that @joemossjr and @Uzephi developed with Magisk support. Then install the magisk app. No zip install.
Refer to Joe's thread for the boot image at this link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-force/how-to/how-to-root-moto-z2-force-t-mobile-t3672933
I would have went into detail and used a short link, but my head is currently throbbing so this is easier lol.
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I know but when I tried that method and just installing the boot.img through twrp it failed and gave me a boot loop as well
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WeUseLord- said:
Spring stock rom on the original August update
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I would suggest updating to November. I have a rooted magisk image, but you need to flash the decryption zip to get it to boot. If you update to November, I am going to release a flash-all type zip sometime today (after I fiddle with getting 4.4.107 upstream done) and working on a Google Pixel 2 skinned ROM for us here shortly with oem bloat completely removed
WeUseLord- said:
I know but when I tried that method and just installing the boot.img through twrp it failed and gave me a boot loop as well
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Have to ask this general base question of course lol. are you trying to dirty flash or did you do a full clean install?
But in general, what Uzephi said, as this is his project. I'll let him go ahead and take over. Goodluck
WeUseLord- said:
I know but when I tried that method and just installing the boot.img through twrp it failed and gave me a boot loop as well
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You using stock kernel? To get crypto changes in 4.4.101-103 added, it breaks encryption on our phones and will cause a boot loop due to Motorola's dirty code. Hopefully when Oreo ROM drops (since Google is kinda telling oems to stay upstreamed) it will fix those issues in our stock ROMs.
Uzephi said:
I would suggest updating to November. I have a rooted magisk image, but you need to flash the decryption zip to get it to boot. If you update to November, I am going to release a flash-all type zip sometime today (after I fiddle with getting 4.4.107 upstream done) and working on a Google Pixel 2 skinned ROM for us here shortly with oem bloat completely removed
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That's nice I think I'm gonna stick with SuperSU for now this phone is confusing
But one thing I must ask will we have a customisable rom like CM or something like that soon?
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WeUseLord- said:
That's nice I think I'm gonna stick with SuperSU for now this phone is confusing
But one thing I must ask will we have a customisable rom like CM or something like that soon?
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Hard to say. Those of us that have tried hard bricked the device. Not readable via USB and wouldn't boot anything after the flash.
WeUseLord- said:
That's nice I think I'm gonna stick with SuperSU for now this phone is confusing
But one thing I must ask will we have a customisable rom like CM or something like that soon?
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To build off what Uzephi said. It's not that rom's wont be capable. It's just working with new things that are being implemented and changed until something starts going right. The jump to Nougat changed a lot of things with security and the switch to Oreo is changing even more that Google is wanting to push for android that inadvertently also affect security and compatibility.
This is speculation, but since they introduced Kotlin, I feel like they are trying to alter everything over the long run to become more streamline and compatible around it. Especially given they can control the progress of the script language to help them better. Which will really show true or false come mid next year.
We are lucky that Motorola sticks to a super close to stock experience because it's one less issue to deal with when playing with the new code and functions to try to get things to work. I'm really optimistic on this stuff because I like doing things that people think can't be done. So I believe that there will for sure be more customization and capabilities as we figure things out. Just takes time and effort. We worked for months and months on the S8 where people said impossible, and ended up getting it. So i have faith on this.
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To build off what Uzephi said. It's not that rom's wont be capable. It's just working with new things that are being implemented and changed until something starts going right. The jump to Nougat changed a lot of things with security and the switch to Oreo is changing even more that Google is wanting to push for android that inadvertently also affect security and compatibility.
This is speculation, but since they introduced Kotlin, I feel like they are trying to alter everything over the long run to become more streamline and compatible around it. Especially given they can control the progress of the script language to help them better. Which will really show true or false come mid next year.
We are lucky that Motorola sticks to a super close to stock experience because it's one less issue to deal with when playing with the new code and functions to try to get things to work. I'm really optimistic on this stuff because I like doing things that people think can't be done. So I believe that there will for sure be more customization and capabilities as we figure things out. Just takes time and effort. We worked for months and months on the S8 where people said impossible, and ended up getting it. So i have faith on this.
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Motorola already admitted the Z series will not be a part of Project treble meaning we need to try different vendor files to see if builds work. Sadly the ones used for the Z1 and wahoo mixed together cause the phone to go haywire and brick itself.
Uzephi said:
Motorola already admitted the Z series will not be a part of Project treble meaning we need to try different vendor files to see if builds work. Sadly the ones used for the Z1 and wahoo mixed together cause the phone to go haywire and brick itself.
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And I understand that this means lack of simplicity in developing custom rom's. But it doesn't mean incapability. From what I understand as well, that treble can be implemented at a later date even though it will not be included with the initial Oreo update. You are working on a pixel rom conversion if I am correct right? Because I might have an idea...
But treble is still def exciting to think about being able to have one rom work on many different phones without modification. I honestly haven't divulged too far into it, but what are the odds of tearing apart the code and possible making support for it ourselves? I'm all for ridiculously long spans of working towards absurd goals hah
Acoustichayes said:
And I understand that this means lack of simplicity in developing custom rom's. But it doesn't mean incapability. From what I understand as well, that treble can be implemented at a later date even though it will not be included with the initial Oreo update. You are working on a pixel rom conversion if I am correct right? Because I might have an idea...
But treble is still def exciting to think about being able to have one rom work on many different phones without modification. I honestly haven't divulged too far into it, but what are the odds of tearing apart the code and possible making support for it ourselves? I'm all for ridiculously long spans of working towards absurd goals hah
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Unless Motorola can repartition the phone, Treble won't come out, it needs a vendor partition. I can say at least on my Sprint phone the OEM block is about 1.5 GB when there is only about 200 MB of data on it, so they can splice that to save user data. Only other way is to repartition /system or /userdata for the space needed for the new partition.
Yes, I am doing a pixel conversion ROM. Tried just booting the pixel /system and it didn't work. I am taking assets from the Tamien and putting them into our November update using SuperR.
Uzephi said:
Unless Motorola can repartition the phone, Treble won't come out, it needs a vendor partition. I can say at least on my Sprint phone the OEM block is about 1.5 GB when there is only about 200 MB of data on it, so they can splice that to save user data. Only other way is to repartition /system or /userdata for the space needed for the new partition.
Yes, I am doing a pixel conversion ROM. Tried just booting the pixel /system and it didn't work. I am taking assets from the Tamien and putting them into our November update using SuperR.
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I know there are few devs out there working on making it work on non treble phones. Repartitioning and adding a vendor partiion wouldn't be the issue with making it work. Rather trying to get the vendor source for drivers to add to it, and if they need to be reworked to add support. I've been off for a few months with health issues so I'm still getting back into things with oreo, but that seems to be the biggest issue at the moment that I could find.
When my health is back to 100 percent within a couple weeks I will dive into work with you and aid in any way possible for this. To me, trying to get driver source and make it work sounds fun. but we are far off topic now for this post so I'll leave this here haha.
Hi, I'm replacing a lost Moto G3 TE with a Moto G5 (xt1671 dual sim) that should be coming in the mail on Monday. I'd like to do whatever mods I want to my phone right away, before activating my google account on it and everything. So, I'd really like any advice any of you can give as to preferred custom rom with root that I should put on my new phone, so I can get to it right away. I've already found the thread to unlock it (same process as in past mostly), and I've found the guides for putting on TWRP (either 32-bit or 64-bit). So, now I just need to decide which custom ROM to use. Please advise!
I've also had a Moto G2 in the past. I've unlocked and used custom roms and root on all my phones so far, from Cyanogenmod 12.1 to AOSP Extended, ViperOS, and LineageOS. My wife's Moto G2 has Oreo on it (through AEX) and we're enjoying it (I had her add me as an account until I get my new phone). So, I'd like to continue using an Oreo system if possible, and I'd even prefer AEX, but it seems that it's discontinued for the Moto G5. Is that correct?
My overall goals for a custom rom are, in order of priority: reliability, speed/performance, battery life, and customization options. I found that AEX balanced all of that well on our past phones. Is the discontinued AEX for this phone reliable, or not? I've also seen the LineageOS thread and the KAOSP thread and have glanced at a few others. I use google accounts and half their apps for sure (so I'll want to install a GApps package with it). And I see there's a possibility to unlock RAW/DNG files for the camera, which I'd really like to try (as I prefer raw file editing instead of JPGs). And the customizations I like (if still possible) are mainly involving the way the launcher responds - I like having the navigation buttons hide, or to swipe up to get them back, I like being able to modify the status bar, etc.... typical customizations that were usually available in AEX that I've used. I also use root for file explorer and a few other functions - I used to always use SuperSU in the past, but just recently started using Magisk (on the Moto G2) and it seems good, though I'm open to any recommendation about which root to use.
So, please fire away! Please give your suggestion as to which currently available custom ROMs are stable, have good performance, good battery life, and offer standard customization, plus which I can root. I appreciate any suggestions and any advice you can give, especially regarding if there's a recommended rom but if it has known issues and any known workarounds. Also, I'd appreciate advice anytime today or tomorrow (since it'll likely be the afternoon or evening of Monday +3 GMT time - Madagascar - that I'm able to start working on unlocking it, installing custom recovery, etc.). But even if the advice is late, I might still be able to use it. I know this is a bit much to ask, but please give your own opinions freely!
Oh, by the way, do I need updated Motorola drivers, or will the motorola drivers and adb/fastboot I installed last time (for the Moto G3 TE) keep working with the new phone? The unlock thread I've found here doesn't say anything about motorola drivers or adb/fastboot. Thanks in advance!
the best stable rom is stock rooted
woozie.2007 said:
the best stable rom is stock rooted
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Thanks for the response! Is there a stock oreo available? And is stock rooted still customizable (like with AEX or something - can I install some sort of thing to let me customize it more?). And is there a debloated version of the stock rom available? I saw one thread on here about a debloated stock rom, but it looked like it was still nougat.
If it's possible to customize the stock rom further, please point me in the right direction. And if not possible to customize it further... then are you suggesting that any of the custom roms available aren't very stable to be used well for a daily driver?
Again, thanks for your response and also for any more feedback you can give!
So, I have my phone now and it came with stock Nougat. I've unlocked it, and I'm currently working on getting TWRP, Dm-verity thing on it, and then magisk. After that can I still update it to Oreo or not? Please advise. Thank you!
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So, I have my phone now and it came with stock Nougat. I've unlocked it, and I'm currently working on getting TWRP, Dm-verity thing on it, and then magisk. After that can I still update it to Oreo or not? Please advise. Thank you!
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no, you have to update oreo first, after that install twrp and magisk for root it
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no, you have to update oreo first, after that install twrp and magisk for root it
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Crud, that sucks! I was already finished rooting and everything on magisk, then I let the OTA update download and when it restarted my phone, it just automatically sends it into recovery (TWRP) every time now! I tried to install this TWRP stock Oreo (dirtying flashing it) hoping it would fix the boot-loop-to-TWRP-recovery problem, but it didn't. So now I need to figure out a way to get back to the original, so I can start over and try again.
I'm trying to do a factory reset and try again, but in TRWP it says ""Failed to mount '/data' (Device or resource busy)'" This sucks! Any ideas where I can go or what I can do (such as some fastboot commands or something) to get it all working again?
EDIT: It does reboot to bootloader though, so it's not hardbricked. Just need to figure out what to do from here. Thanks for any help!
try to flash via fastboot only boot, recovery, oem and system from oreo, then aply update, then root
Thanks! I downloaded the firmware (for latest Nougat) from this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5/development/stock-upgrade-to-official-stock-oreo-8-t3823598
Then I flashed everything they said through fastboot (ignoring the modem stuff) because I'm still downloading the oreo firmware right now anyway (my connection is quite slow). At first the bootloader got stuck and said "error" and I was freaking out thinking I'd hard-bricked it. But I turned it off and on again anyway and it loaded fine back into nougat for that latest version.
So now I'm downloading the latest stock Oreo and I'll probably try to ADB sideload it.
Which root do you recommend? I have the Magisk I did for nougat that worked great - 11.6 But there's this thread here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5/how-to/guide-how-to-root-stock-oreo-8-1-soak-t3832347) that talks about what seems like a complicated way of doing Magisk 15.3 and then getting it up to 16. What do you suggest?
magisk 17.1 its ok, but you have to flash only partition that i said, not full firmware, and DONT flash the bootloader and GPT partition
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better let the phone to update ota for latest security patch, dont flash via fastboot
OK, I installed the stock oreo through ADB sideload (it wouldn't read my storage for some reason).... then I reinstalled TWRP, no problem... then installed Magisk 17.1 (per your suggestion) and then the apk for the manager. Everything's working great! Didn't even need that dm-verity thing.
I'm still looking into the mods I can do to it now that it's rooted (such as changing boot logo and boot animation, adding that 'camera 2' setting, etc.) So I'm not sure I'm at a finished product yet, but I'm definitely at a stable rooted oreo with all my regular stuff installed, so that's a good place to start! I've made a nandroid backup here in case any of my further experimenting messes it up.
Thanks again for your help! And if you can give any suggestions towards the best way to customize the look (for example - is nova launcher still the best way to do that?) or other aspects of the system UI, while still being on this stock rom, then please let me know. I'll look up how to get that better camera mode working.
woozie.2007 said:
magisk 17.1 its ok, but you have to flash only partition that i said, not full firmware, and DONT flash the bootloader and GPT partition
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better let the phone to update ota for latest security patch, dont flash via fastboot
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Could you help me with this: if I backup my system (everything) with TWRP.... can I then switch to a custom rom to try it out (in case I want a different user interface, more tweaks, etc.) and if I don't like it can I easily switch back to the stock rom nandroid backup I have saved in TWRP (thus restoring my previous state, but without having to start from factory reset)? Or would it be difficult to switch back - like would I have to redo it through fastboot or something and factory reset, etc.?
I'm asking because in the past I never used the stock rom much and I definitely never switched between a custom rom and the stock rom. Once I went for custom rom, I didn't go back - so I don't know if it's as simple as restoring a nandroid backup or if it's much more effort. Please let me know. Thanks a lot!
you must be very carefully because most of the custom roms need twrp on 64 bits, now you have official twrp 32. When you come back from custom roms 64bit to previous nandroid backup, you must install 32 bits twrp, otherwise you may lose the imei of the phone, just read very well when you want to do something risky
woozie.2007 said:
you must be very carefully because most of the custom roms need twrp on 64 bits, now you have official twrp 32. When you come back from custom roms 64bit to previous nandroid backup, you must install 32 bits twrp, otherwise you may lose the imei of the phone, just read very well when you want to do something risky
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OK, thanks a lot for that helpful info! So just to clarify to be sure: basically, if I want to switch back and forth, I'll install the 64-bit twrp first, then the custom rom(s). Then if I want to come back to my stock image backup, I re-install the 32-bit twrp (like the one I'm currently using) and then I can just restore my nandroid backup I took of the stock and all is well? And it's not risky if I do it like that?
yes, its correct that
Has anyone been offered the Global version by their phone and updated ?
If Yes - what is your experience with MIUI 14 and does Dark mode work for individual apps listed separately in dark mode options?
Just received a notification for the update. Should one do a factory reset once upgraded?
EDIT: Ok, just updated and decided I'd just do a factory reset afterwards to start clean. Is it just me or do the graphics, icons and such look a little more blurry now?
Today monring i make an update, it is super. System is faster, but Leica cam app is not possible instal, have anybody newer version of leiaca cam app fo A13? THX
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Just received a notification for the update. Should one do a factory reset once upgraded?
EDIT: Ok, just updated and decided I'd just do a factory reset afterwards to start clean. Is it just me or do the graphics, icons and such look a little more blurry now?
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@thecumbackkid - Please tell me in settings - display - more dark mode options - does it list all the individual apps to choose dark mode for each app ? (it may take a second or 2 to list them)
This is what it shows for me.
Thanks for the info thecumbackkid
Looks like its time to upgrade I was stuck on Miui 12.5 as when I updated to 13 all individual dark mode apps options disappered.
Someone stole my phone on holiday so I bought a new one and stuck on 12.5 as Dark mode for individual apps is essential for my over sensitive eyes!
I did the OTA update yesterday.
Before installation I uninstalled magisk, and reinstall it the inactive partition after update, before the reboot prompt.
Everything worked fine but be patient. The phone restart at least 5 times during boot logo. I was suspecting a boot loop but it finally started.
Everything is smooth, magisk root still work, safety net fix was kept.
For the moment the only thing which failed was a Google Keep Widget I had to remove and reinstall to home screen.
Except some little icon changes in notifications I didn't notice lot of changes but it is only after some minutes of utilisation.
Edit : password manager like Bitwarden seems to detect better than before that new password was entered.
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I did the OTA update yesterday.
Before installation I uninstalled magisk, and reinstall it the inactive partition after update, before the reboot prompt.
Everything worked fine but be patient. The phone restart at least 5 times during boot logo. I was suspecting a boot loop but it finally started.
Everything is smooth, magisk root still work, safety net fix was kept.
For the moment the only thing which failed was a Google Keep Widget I had to remove and reinstall to home screen.
Except some little icon changes in notifications I didn't notice lot of changes but it is only after some minutes of utilisation.
Edit : password manager like Bitwarden seems to detect better than before that new password was entered.
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@snyfear
Thanks for the info - if you notice anything else let us know
Awful battery drain here. Charged to 100% barely did some basic browsing and half is already gone in a short amount of time. Noticed whenever I have it charged to 100% at night and by the middle of the next day where I barely use it for nothing but just to check for notifications on stuff it's already down to 80%...
AFAIK, this appears to be some pilot program build? I never asked to participate in it so how did I get this update?
Does any one know how to Facemoji keyboard in MIUI 14 for Lisa ?
I am not rooted. its plain stock MIUI.
Tried ADB shell uninstall, it gave me failure.
Also tried Xioami debloater tool. That also didnt work.
I still haven't received the update for some reason and i tried to update it manually but it didn't work what should I do
Updated to 14.0.4 EUXM and can't get root to work anymore.
Patched the boot image via Magisk 25.2 and then tested via fastboot, as always.
I run directly into a bootloop, which after a while sometimes returns to the bootloader or automatically deletes the temporary boot and boots with the normal image.
It's also strange that during the bootloop the device vibrates once every 3-5 seconds briefly. I've never had that before either.
Update:
I found a solution without wiping my device.
I remembered that I had a problem during the last update with shamiko and I didn't uninstalled magisk or removed any modules before the update. So in order to remove the modules without access to /data/adb and wihtout root rights you need to do the following, maybe it's interesting for you folks.
1. Open shell with command: "adb wait-for-device shell magisk --remove-modules"
2. Open second shell and boot with patched boot.img: "fastboot boot boot_patched.img"
The short time at boot, where root is present, was enough to remove the modules via the CLI during the boot loop.
Lessons learned:
Before the next major update definitely remove all Magisk modules before, if not root entirely.
Saves the work afterwards.
Btw:
Update is running smoothly so far. No battery drain noticed.
can anyone link me to a tutorial on how to rollback from custom rom (currently AOSPA) to stock MIUI ROM? want to move to MIUI 14 eventually. greatly appreciate it!
You can also install miui eu rom 14.0.6.0. If you first install via fastboot, it installs twrp with it. This way you can install future ota updates without using a computer/fastboot. In my opinion the eu rom is the same if not better as stock EEU global from xiaomi
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You can also install miui eu rom 14.0.6.0. If you first install via fastboot, it installs twrp with it. This way you can install future ota updates without using a computer/fastboot. In my opinion the eu rom is the same if not better as stock EEU global from xiaomi
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hey, thanks for the reply! just a few questions, there's no possibility of triggering anti rollback right? I was reading that some ppl faced it - I moved to custom roms from MIUI 13 iirc.
also where can I find the link to the .eu ROM? thanks again!
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hey, thanks for the reply! just a few questions, there's no possibility of triggering anti rollback right? I was reading that some ppl faced it - I moved to custom roms from MIUI 13 iirc.
also where can I find the link to the .eu ROM? thanks again!
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I dont believe the Xiaomi.eu roms have a anti rollback trigger. The previous roms are all a complete package (firmware, recovery, rom etc.) you flash them via fastboot.
The latest 14.0.6.0 comes with twrp. But you have to flash the rom with fastboot first, to get twrp installed.
Here's the link:
MIUI 14 - MIUI 14 STABLE RELEASE
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
xiaomi.eu
Just search for mi11le in the downloads.
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I dont believe the Xiaomi.eu roms have a anti rollback trigger. The previous roms are all a complete package (firmware, recovery, rom etc.) you flash them via fastboot.
The latest 14.0.6.0 comes with twrp. But you have to flash it first with fastboot to get twrp installed.
Here's the link:
MIUI 14 - MIUI 14 STABLE RELEASE
Status: RELEASED RULES WHEN POSTING 1. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK ABOUT ITS ETA 2. If a ROM is not published DONT ASK why! 3. If a ROM is available, download it and use it 4. If a ROM has bugs, post the bug to the bug section if the BUG is not already listed 5. If you use any form of...
xiaomi.eu
Just search for mi11le in the downloads.
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thank you!
any one from Philippines received the update?