So, I suppose that many of you have heard of the infamous Nougat battery drain. I've been experiencing it ever since I upgraded to 7.0. It's not necessarily a big problem, since I can still get through a normal, full day of use.. but it's still very noticeable. From the more than 4 hours of SoT I used to get, I can now barely get more than two, normally even lower. I have no idea what the problem is, I've tried everything. And since I'm going to go on a trip soon, I'm really going to need a good battery life.
So, I was thinking about rolling it back to Marshmallow. I'm S-OFF, so I'll use a RUU.zip. Before doing that however, I would love to hear some opinions. Has anyone else given up on Nougat? Anyone who experienced the Nougat drain? And is the battery indeed better on MM?
We're on an outdated security patch anyway, July 2017 and we're already in October, but would returning to whatever security patch the last MM version had be dangerous?
Thanks in advance.
TheMadKing said:
So, I suppose that many of you have heard of the infamous Nougat battery drain. I've been experiencing it ever since I upgraded to 7.0. It's not necessarily a big problem, since I can still get through a normal, full day of use.. but it's still very noticeable. From the more than 4 hours of SoT I used to get, I can now barely get more than two, normally even lower. I have no idea what the problem is, I've tried everything. And since I'm going to go on a trip soon, I'm really going to need a good battery life.
So, I was thinking about rolling it back to Marshmallow. I'm S-OFF, so I'll use a RUU.zip. Before doing that however, I would love to hear some opinions. Has anyone else given up on Nougat? Anyone who experienced the Nougat drain? And is the battery indeed better on MM?
We're on an outdated security patch anyway, July 2017 and we're already in October, but would returning to whatever security patch the last MM version had be dangerous?
Thanks in advance.
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I have been on U.S Unlocked nougat since the initial release and I have no such problem. Battery ain't what it used to be but I always hit 4 hours sot.
You could try flashing a Sense-based custom rom like Viper or Leedroid first to see if there is an improvement.
Regarding security, based on all the people *****ing in the Updates thread I'm pretty sure your phone will immediately contract the Ebola virus after downgrading to MM. Either that, or you're probably fine with the "old" security patches on MM. Your choice to try though.
S-OFF, flash MM RUU
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Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!
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Hello everyone.
As I'm sure many of you are, I'm caught in the boat of owning a VZW Note 4, loving it mostly, yet pining for the days of controlling my own hardware. As of right now, I'm on the very first 5.0.1 update... Waiting.
The version I'm on has terrible battery drain issues. Is it worth waiting at this version any longer?
I honestly don't want to root the device for features... I enjoy a lot of what's going on on this phone. I'm just convinced some of those Samsung processes running are watching something I do. I just want to control which processes run on my phone.
I'd just like to see what others have done / think. Thanks!
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I'm thinking possibly new Nexus. I kind of give up. I love my Note but eff Samsung.
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My battery life is amazing. I also ran the debloater and blocked a ton of apps. The phone is a beast.
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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!
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I'm stock, I've taken all the updates. I get great battery life, but I also disable pretty much every Google and Verizon service on the phone because I don't use a single one with the exception of the play store. This phone has been out for a year now, the likelihood of permanent root coming is slim to none. Closer to none.
Most people keep a phone for 18 months to 2 years. I take each update gladly because at the end of the day, I'd rather enjoy using my phone than to hold off while it depreciates in value and reaches the end of it's lifespan. I'd hate to to see myself in March or April thinking, "Geeeeeeez, I'm still on Kit Kat but I know somebody is going to obtain permanent root any day now." LOL
Oh, and to be honest, you've got far more to worry about with Google watching what you do than with Samsung. The entire OS and all the services are built to watch what you do, Samsung just wants to cell you expensive phones, hence why the closer to the end of the lifespan, their phones start to get glitchier and slower, etc......... Then they can repeat the cycle. Been down that road three times with them.
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@extensive What version are you on? 5.0.1? I'm not denying the phone is a beast, though I'm certain my battery life is terrible compared to the last 4.X.X version. If the debloater will help with that, I'm all about it!
Edit: and a follow up question... Does the debloater work with whatever the most recent version is? Thanks very much!
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Look at your build number. Are you on BOAF? I was on that, that's the version you're able to downgrade to 4.4.4, so I did so so I was able to temp root. I'd noticed terrible battery drain in comparison to 5.0.1 BOAF. I'd read that a FDR fixes that issue. There are other updates past BOAF, which I'm sure you're aware of, but are not downgradable, so you'd be stuck in 5.0.1 or above forever. If you did downgrade to 4.4.4, you can take the OTA no problem, and it'll set you back into 5.0.1 BOAF, I've done this a few times by just taking a chance.
In terms of the whole root situation, I'm not happy with the progress. KingRoot does root it, but I've always had problems with SuperSU-Me Pro, which is attributed to the write protection, I'm sure. I must have an app that interferes with it all, so maybe that's why it won't work correctly. That being said, I might just forget the whole thing and just go ahead and take the OTAs and kiss the thought of root goodbye. I really don't know why a root hasn't been found for our Verizon Note 4 on 5.0.1, even though root has been found on other 5.0.1 devices. Maybe it's because Verizon takes so damn long to release updates, such that they make sure vulnerabilities are patched, so people can't root their devices, which sucks.
I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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Similar question, just got my phone which came with BOF1 installed. While waiting and watching for root - any advantage to staying on this version vs. any known disadvantage from taking the current update?
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I'm on the latest stock LP 5.0.1 and have used the debloater and my note 4s both get awesome battery life. They get the same if not better than when they were on KK 4.4.4. I will not be upgrading till these 2 note 4s die!
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I am with you on that!!! No new phone til this N4 dies! :highfive:
This isn't the best news.
http://m.gsmarena.com/skype_for_lin..._to_autostart_launch_minimized-news-22752.php
We can probably safely say March or April. Oh well.
All kidding aside: llabtoofer just said within the next 3 weeks all you guys in Europe should have it. Enjoy
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Nougat is not ready for prime time. Not impressed at all. My custom MM rom works perfectly. I tried Nougat. Uninstalled.
Looks like soon it would be the US unlocked users getting angry : why the heck we're using a buggy version??
Even now it's EU users are complaining : when the heck could we taste nougat...??
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We can probably safely say March or April. Oh well.
All kidding aside: llabtoofer just said within the next 3 weeks all you guys in Europe should have it. Enjoy
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he said we will havw 2 months ago
Alpert3 said:
Looks like soon it would be the US unlocked users getting angry : why the heck we're using a buggy version??
Even now it's EU users are complaining : when the heck could we taste nougat...??
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I have the US unlocked model and I'm using the latest firmware with Maximus HD and ElementalX installed, no complains at all so far the stock ROM was also fine the few weeks I used it
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I have the US unlocked model and I'm using the latest firmware with Maximus HD and ElementalX installed, no complains at all so far the stock ROM was also fine the few weeks I used it
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Maximus HD is based on leaked EU update. And I am not talking about that.
Maybe you haven't seen what does the dev of Maximus say about the upcoming EU OTA?
No one has specified what "buggy" even means... is it something minor like a laggy UI or a major security vulnerability like stagefright?
*bugs* is a bull excuse in regards to no updates
while while they're fixing these bugs *with N then why didnt they continue to update our devices on MM with the monthly security updates ?
Europe unlocked devices haven't had an update since October & that came with the august 2016 security patch what happened too September, November , December, January
this fixed version of N will be out in February according to llabtoofer will likely be 7.0, we probably wont see 7.1 until spring (htc ultra hasn't even released yet & thats on 7.0)
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Maximus HD is based on leaked EU update. And I am not talking about that.
Maybe you haven't seen what does the dev of Maximus say about the upcoming EU OTA?
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I'm taking about you said US users now will be angry about why they were left with a buggy firmware, and I'm telling you I used it with the stock ROM and I'm not angry about it. He said the EU build was more stable, that doesn't mean that the US was a bad build though and yes, it may be based on such firmware but I'm using it with the US one
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I'm taking about you said US users now will be angry about why they were left with a buggy firmware, and I'm telling you I used it with the stock ROM and I'm not angry about it. He said the EU build was more stable, that doesn't mean that the US was a bad build though and yes, it may be based on such firmware but I'm using it with the US one
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Come on man, I am not saying US update isn't good. I am saying compare to EU update, US one is less responsive and less smooth. Been treated differently might make some users angry. #sense of humour#...
I am sure the US will also get the equivalent matching update around the same time
7.0 has been a mess, and even 7.1.1 has alot of problems, even on nexus/pixel devices. It would suck to be on 7.x and have that 30% battery bugg that alot of people experience. And thats just the obvious buggs.
7.x does not offer enough of a upgrade to make it worth having a buggy release. Esp if one is stuck with that buggy version for months.
I have the Nougat update on my T-Mobile HTC 10 completely stock not rooted and have experienced a few bugs.the day after I updated I took a picture and the phone froze went into a reboot and actually rebooted itself 4 times before it went back into the system. Had a random reboot another time and had an instance where my phone would not charge but a reboot fixed the issue
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And please remember there's no OS nor app is bug free in the world. It is an excuse but also the truth.
I bought iPhone 7 last just want to experience a "smooth OS", but it freezed while taking a picture, battery drops very quickly and phone got every hot randomly... So yeah, back to HTC.
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7.0 has been a mess, and even 7.1.1 has alot of problems, even on nexus/pixel devices. It would suck to be on 7.x and have that 30% battery bugg that alot of people experience. And thats just the obvious buggs.
7.x does not offer enough of a upgrade to make it worth having a buggy release. Esp if one is stuck with that buggy version for months.
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I tried N for a bit on Viper and had bad battery drain so I went back to MM and still had that battery drain, I found out Facebook has been causing bad battery so I uninstalled it and Messenger and seems to be much better. I was wondering if Facebook was my issue on N as well or if it was Android N causing it. Guess I will stick with MM for now.
I've been on Nougat for some time now (unlocked) and I have noticed any issues. What exactly is the problem?
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I've been on Nougat for some time now (unlocked) and I have noticed any issues. What exactly is the problem?
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Is your device US unlocked ? Do all your apps that auto sync or update do so while you're using battery saver, or while you're on data? Only way I can get gmail and other similarly syncing apps is on Wi-Fi without using battery saver
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Is your device US unlocked ? Do all your apps that auto sync or update do so while you're using battery saver, or while you're on data? Only way I can get gmail and other similarly syncing apps is on Wi-Fi without using battery saver
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i meant to say that I haven't noticed any issues, but clearly you understood me. ?
Anyway, I get push gmail notifications as usual, no issues there. I'm almost always only on mobile data, and rarely ever use battery saver. I have an unlocked stock US model.
The only minor issue I've noticed is that sometimes I don't get notified of whatsapp messages (via the notification shade), if multiple are received at around the same time.
The only bug i've found was in the Settings.
If you enter it, press back button and then try to enter again, it'll take some seconds to show up.
Everything else is ok.
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Hello everyone,
Just curious to know if we have Oxygen os builds available for Oreo in 2019. Would like to rollback to Oreo but don't want to lose android security patches.
Android pie is working fine. But really miss the brightness levels and camera was better in nougat and Oreo compared to pie. Battery was the top in nougat easily got 6-7 hours screen on time with enough battery left for the day and with Oreo it was the best 8-8.5 hours.
Not complaining about pie. Can get through the whole day with moderate use and 20-30% left in evening. Just sharing my experience so far with 5t.
I would like to try nougat or Oreo if there are any versions available with latest android security patches.
Apologies if this has been already asked somewhere and answered. I went across XDA and OnePlus forums, Plz let me know if anyone is running Oxygen os with nougat/Oreo at the moment. Thanks!!
No OOS oreo/nougat builds with latest security patches
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No OOS oreo/nougat builds with latest security patches
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Hmm..guess I need to stick with pie only..
Evolve92 said:
Hello everyone,
Just curious to know if we have Oxygen os builds available for Oreo in 2019. Would like to rollback to Oreo but don't want to lose android security patches.
Android pie is working fine. But really miss the brightness levels and camera was better in nougat and Oreo compared to pie. Battery was the top in nougat easily got 6-7 hours screen on time with enough battery left for the day and with Oreo it was the best 8-8.5 hours.
Not complaining about pie. Can get through the whole day with moderate use and 20-30% left in evening. Just sharing my experience so far with 5t.
I would like to try nougat or Oreo if there are any versions available with latest android security patches.
Apologies if this has been already asked somewhere and answered. I went across XDA and OnePlus forums, Plz let me know if anyone is running Oxygen os with nougat/Oreo at the moment. Thanks!!
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I dont see any decrease in battery life in pie. More likely your battery degenerated over time or some apps or background services drain it.
Go hunting for it with logcat or betterbatterystats
Try custom ROMs
surya nivas said:
Try custom ROMs
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Yes...custom roms are totally worth it, Since I have multiple work apps installed at the moment. a bit concerned on how they will work under root. Just sharing my usage logs with a comparison between Oreo and pie
The first set of screenshots are from moderate day usage in Oreo back in 2018 which has mixed usage of social apps and gaming
The second usage is from current stable 9.0.6
Not sure if everyone is getting similar battery life between Oreo and pie in moderate usage throughout the day.
I feel the 10-15% difference with battery left at end of day cause a big change still I get to manage throughout the day in pie.
Compared to Oreo from these random usage screenshots, pie is getting worse day by day. Maybe it's the battery that gets degraded over time or its the overall phone hardware that runs round the clock for us
I have this feel almost with every device, Samsung galaxy 5, Xperia neo v and also back in opo. Android kitkat had best battery and lollipop had a moderate and with marshmallow it got worse.
Just sharing my opinion and also curious to know if y'all out there feel the same.
Edit : Would like to add all these usage were taken in locked bl running unrooted
No need for root , just flash a custom rom and then enjoy ,for me comparing to Oreo pie has good SOT , AND im a heavy Gamer so cant help with battery stats :silly::laugh:
Still many custom ROMs works good in SOT with a custom kernel too.
surya nivas said:
No need for root , just flash a custom rom and then enjoy ,for me comparing to Oreo pie has good SOT , AND im a heavy Gamer so cant help with battery stats :silly::laugh:
Still many custom ROMs works good in SOT with a custom kernel too.
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Hmm yeah.. planning to give it a try. Been sticking with stock unroot most of times since I got 5t. Had it unlocked and under root for few weeks back in January due to shutter sound bug. Since it got fixed moved to stable.
I could see many custom roms are available to try.
Any tips on choosing custom rom, I mainly look for Oxygen os camera and good battery. How's OOS open beta holding up compared to stable pie in terms of battery.
I recently purchased a HTC 10.
I have it rooted and s-off. I find the battery life rather poor, again it was kind of expected as my old HTC 7 and 8 were pretty poor. The 10 came with the latest and last sense firmware which is Oreo.
Last week I downgraded to Nougat firmware and installed the last Nougat version of Maximus. I was hoping this would offer up better battery life.
Seems to be the general consensus that Oreo has the worst battery life for our phones, does this include both Sense and AOSP roms?
What is the opinion of Marshmallow Sense based roms, could I squeak a little more out of my battery if I downgrade to Marshmallow?
Would really like some ideas to maximise the best from my battery. Not too bothered about tons of features, however I would prefer to remain with Sense.
maritimesbob said:
I recently purchased a HTC 10.
I have it rooted and s-off. I find the battery life rather poor, again it was kind of expected as my old HTC 7 and 8 were pretty poor. The 10 came with the latest and last sense firmware which is Oreo.
Last week I downgraded to Nougat firmware and installed the last Nougat version of Maximus. I was hoping this would offer up better battery life.
Seems to be the general consensus that Oreo has the worst battery life for our phones, does this include both Sense and AOSP roms?
What is the opinion of Marshmallow Sense based roms, could I squeak a little more out of my battery if I downgrade to Marshmallow?
Would really like some ideas to maximise the best from my battery. Not too bothered about tons of features, however I would prefer to remain with Sense.
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I found that N firmware and lineage based roms, lineageOS16, crdroid, etc is best for battery.
If you want Sense, then I highly suggest Leedroid ROM, or just flash the N RUU and keep it stock with Root if wanted flash Magisk.
There's also some nice stock Verizon ROMs in Verizon 10 section by Santod.
Download accubattery application from Playstore and see what your battery capacity is at..
I bet if used its not that great unfortunately. QC3.0 didn't help at all..
I'm at around 2,000-2,200mAh outta the 3,000mAh.
It takes a few charge sessions to get an accurate reading. Also I've found on P ROMs it's telling me 66% but on N it's 74%
Hope this helps.
A Nougat release of Leedroid would you suggest?
Thanks.
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A Nougat release of Leedroid would you suggest?
Thanks.
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Yes I would.
Hi!
can anybody confirm which android version is more stable & featurefull among 10-12?
I'm currently using Android 12, but i want more stability & fluidity in my device.
Thanks in advance!
I personally thought that Android 10 was better than Android 11 which was noticeably slower and while Android 12 is buggy, the battery life is way better than it was previously so I just stick with 12. Getting over 4 hours SoT from 65% of the battery (I charge at 20%, take off charger at 85%) is great, and on days I actually charge to 100% because I know I'll be out of the house, 7 1/2 to 8 hours is possible.
I'm running stock FW, Android 12, always updated. And, I just notice I didn't received updates since 5 october. Well, end of life of my Pixel 3.
I can confirm battery drain, but for security reason, I stayed with stock updated.
Now, it's another story.
Thanks for the infos @EtherealRemnant.
Any advise for any Rom or you stay on Stock?
Sorry OP, if I disturb your post with my demand or if it's out of subject.
Thanks
tillets said:
I'm running stock FW, Android 12, always updated. And, I just notice I didn't received updates since 5 october. Well, end of life of my Pixel 3.
I can confirm battery drain, but for security reason, I stayed with stock updated.
Now, it's another story.
Thanks for the infos @EtherealRemnant.
Any advise for any Rom or you stay on Stock?
Sorry OP, if I disturb your post with my demand or if it's out of subject.
Thanks
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I switched to Pixeldust and like it more than stock.