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16GB internal + SD card. How does it work?

how does Apps2SD work when you have internal memory and an SD Card?
If you don't have an SD card, do the apps go to internal Memory.
Just curious how this all works since my current phone doesn't have internal RAM.
What I would like to do is keep Music/videos in one storage and apps in the other.

Since the phone has 16GB storage on it, theres no reason to use App2SD at all. You can run all your apps off the phone's 16GB storage.
The 16GB (actually ~11.5GB) comes up as "USB Storage" in Settings > Storage if thats what your wondering.
An SD card will show up separately under SD Card. Though in a file manager, the 16GB onboard shows up as your storage, the SD card under an "external sd" folder

Treefallingquietly said:
how does Apps2SD work when you have internal memory and an SD Card?
If you don't have an SD card, do the apps go to internal Memory.
Just curious how this all works since my current phone doesn't have internal RAM.
What I would like to do is keep Music/videos in one storage and apps in the other.
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I cant possibly see why anyone would still use Apps2SD with this amount of internal storage. Accessing apps from an external drive is so much slower.

Actually there is only 2 gb of storage for apps. The rest of the internal memory is for media and other files. If you choose to install to SD it will install to external SD card.
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satur9ine said:
Actually there is only 2 gb of storage for apps. The rest of the internal memory is for media and other files. If you choose to install to SD it will install to external SD card.
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Yes there is 2gbs for apps. If u use app2sd u can put the apps on the other internal partition thy has 11gb. Works for me when I tried it.
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strongsteve said:
I cant possibly see why anyone would still use Apps2SD with this amount of internal storage. Accessing apps from an external drive is so much slower.
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This is good to know. So based on all the other comments, Apps go to the internal memory or the extended internal memory and I can keep music/video/books on SD.
thanks all.

Finally got hands on with phone. I noticed the internal memory is listed as USB storage but when I go to app management it doesn't give me the option to move apps out of ram to USB memory, just move to SD card.
What gives?

How do they get away with saying it's 16GB internal when it's actually 11.5GB?

Its pretty amazing how much this phone brings to the table... 1gig ram, 16gig internal storage.. this phone keeps.blowing me away, it really does. I am very impressed with samsung. I would be running roms on my evo and it didn't have enough ram to hold the contents of a web pagr if I multi tasked to xda. I would hold the home button and fast switch to the internet again and the browser would have to load it all over again instead of having enough ram to just keep it there. I'm inlove haha

IA-32e said:
How do they get away with saying it's 16GB internal when it's actually 11.5GB?
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I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?

This hasn't worked for me. Everytime I try to move apps to internal storage, it says that there is no sd card inserted, and I need to insert one.

Can some suggest a good way to use the memory?
The Incredible had 8GB internal but the phone was setup never to use it, except for pictures. Everything went on the SDcard. I bought the Incredible used and the guy did a full reset from with in Android but when I got it the internal memory was still full of pictures, unfortunately nothing X-rated or blackmailable.
The E4GT is just as *ssbackwards. In / you have an sdcard which is internal storage. In sdcard you have a link for ext_sd and usbStorage. I put my Music in usbStorage and no music app can find it. How crazy is that? I just want one sdcard link that actually goes to the sdcard, that I would use for Media. The internal sdcard memory used for /data and a home folder. Come on Samsung, doesn't that make more sense?

bluefire808 said:
I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?
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Ok that makes sense.

gedster314 said:
Can some suggest a good way to use the memory?
The Incredible had 8GB internal but the phone was setup never to use it, except for pictures. Everything went on the SDcard. I bought the Incredible used and the guy did a full reset from with in Android but when I got it the internal memory was still full of pictures, unfortunately nothing X-rated or blackmailable.
The E4GT is just as *ssbackwards. In / you have an sdcard which is internal storage. In sdcard you have a link for ext_sd and usbStorage. I put my Music in usbStorage and no music app can find it. How crazy is that? I just want one sdcard link that actually goes to the sdcard, that I would use for Media. The internal sdcard memory used for /data and a home folder. Come on Samsung, doesn't that make more sense?
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+1. I too would love to know if there's a "best practice" for how to manage the storage memory on the EG4T. Should I just put all media in the onboard USB storage, and then only use my SD card as overflow, or are there certain things that might be better put on the SD card? I'm probably overthinking this, but I'd like to get a handle on this now while the device is new and I don't have much on it yet.

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I have filled the internal sd with some games and have room on external sd how do I transfer aps from internal sd to external sd? I have searched found some things about a apk converter??? I love the 16gb internal but it is not enough for my needs. I did see the adb method to swap internal and external sd cards.

HappyFillmore said:
I have filled the internal sd with some games and have room on external sd how do I transfer aps from internal sd to external sd? I have searched found some things about a apk converter??? I love the 16gb internal but it is not enough for my needs. I did see the adb method to swap internal and external sd cards.
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look into darktremor apps2sd maybe? not claiming it works, just a suggestion

bluefire808 said:
I'm not exactly sure how it works but I think 2gig is partuined for apps and some more for the rom right?
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The rom takes up about 3 gigs (just under) and 2 gigs are partitioned for apps. The rest is partitioned as USB Mass Storage (11.5) So 11.5+2+2.5 = 16, thats a rough estimate of how it breaks down anyways. The OS is usually between 2.5-3 gigs depending on how much the manufacturer adds to it. Stock Android is 2 gigs. Sammy doesnt add major bloat so it comes out to like 2.5 to 2.65 gigs. Motorola however usually comes out to 2.75-3 gigs. Which is why I like Sammy. ICS is about 3 gigs stock though, so remember that when you decide to upgrade to ICS later on. You'll be sacrificing memory on a device that wasnt built for it. Sammy added that extra memory for when ICS does come out, just in case. They were aware of the extra memory in ICS.

[Q] Swap internal and external memory on P6

Help!
I'm running out of memory on my phone!
I only have like 400 mb available on my internal memory but nearly
28 gb on my SD card. But despite that the asks well not download onto that
and I've moved all the "movable" apps into the SD card. So here's the question:
Does anyone know how to make the phone "think" that the external SD card is the internal memory and the provided 4 gb that you can use is the external.
Thanks in advance.

Which rom are you using? In B512 I have the "default storage location" option, and I can change SD card or internal memory.

Option available on KitKat?
pogts3 said:
Which rom are you using? In B512 I have the "default storage location" option, and I can change SD card or internal memory.
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So you're on KitKat right (b512) ? And you can swap them?
But do the apps fully download onto the external memory and that annoying
"Insufficient memory" message doesn't appear?
K I'll try it out and see.

Azzzy said:
But do the apps fully download onto the external memory and that annoying
"Insufficient memory" message doesn't appear?
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Application data is on the SD card, but application is in internal memory.
If you want move applications into SD card, you should use "Link2SD" (require root).

Having 32 GB = no difference then then
pogts3 said:
Application data is on the SD card, but application is in internal memory.
If you want move applications into SD card, you should use "Link2SD" (require root).
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I tried using Links2SD before but didn't work. Am i using it wrong, is if so how do you do so? Even so if some part of the app I'd stored in the internal memory then that still means that i can download a small number of apps due to the small space. How do you switch the memories if possible. But how could i move pictures and videos to the SD card (quite done memory is taken up - check previous screenshot) ?
Thanks.

Formatting SD Card as Internal Storage

Anyone using this? If so, any drawbacks? I hate having to split internal memory with SD space, it would just be easier if there was one space for all my data. Wondering why anyone wouldn't do this. Also, is there a specific SD card recommended? Appreciate all the feedback, thanks guys!

The speed of launching/updating apps for example can be a drawback if you're using a slow SD card.
As for what SD card you should use, something that has as high 4KB random read and write speeds as possible.
Manufacturer's don't advertise these numbers so you need to find the information yourself. That's basically hoping that some kind soul has benchmarked the SD card you're looking at.
For reference the internal storage is capable of around 10MB/s in both read and write in 4KB random.
The best microSD cards I've seen have about 10MB/s read and 5MB/s write. That would be the 64GB Samsung Pro Plus.
Not the best but really good ones have anywhere between 8-10MB/s and 3-4MB/s write. That would include for example the regular 64GB Pro from Samsung, Sandisk's Extreme Plus U1/U3 64GB and the Extreme Pro.
If the SD card has under 2MB/s 4KB random write speeds I wouldn't personally even bother.
Also another thing worth pointing out that 4KB random write speed with SD cards is always slower than the read speed is.

I was tempted to use this but the drawbacks have me keeping it as external, which some applications require:
TWRP backups
Titanium Backup backups
Flashing RUU, update zips
Ability to plug into a PC directly
My other concern is that if it were to glitch, the problems that would cause could ruin a weekend.
I figured I'll leave it external unless I have a compelling reason to adopt it.

Rolo42 said:
I was tempted to use this but the drawbacks have me keeping it as external, which some applications require:
TWRP backups
Titanium Backup backups
Flashing RUU, update zips
Ability to plug into a PC directly
My other concern is that if it were to glitch, the problems that would cause could ruin a weekend.
I figured I'll leave it external unless I have a compelling reason to adopt it.
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Why do you need your sd-card as external with TWRP and Titanium Backup?
In TWRP you can choose between internal storage and sd-card, even it's formatted as internal storage and in Titanium Backup you can choose your destination folder.
I'm using my sd-card as internal storage and I can't feel much difference in speed (you have to use a fast sd-card).
For flashing RUUs and zips... Yes, this is not possible (you have to format your sd-card to ext3 in TWRP for it to work), but I'm using custom ROMs, so it's not important for me.
Well, Ability to plug into a PC directly... If you need it you should use your sd-card as external storage.

Maik268 said:
Why do you need your sd-card as external with TWRP and Titanium Backup?
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Because a backup is no good if it gets wiped or corrupted along with the rest of internal storage or if the only OS/configuration that can read it becomes unavailable/unusable.
A backup device has to be separate from the thing its backing up, not integral to it.

That's what OTG and thumb drives are good for. I've never backed up to internal or SD card for that matter.
Backup to thumb drive with md5 and plug it in to your computer which most of the time has exponentially more storage available and check the md5 after it's transferred to the computer. Then I'll throw a copy of that backup to cloud storage after encrypting it just for good measure.

lagittaja said:
That's what OTG and thumb drives are good for. I've never backed up to internal or SD card for that matter.
Backup to thumb drive with md5 and plug it in to your computer which most of the time has exponentially more storage available and check the md5 after it's transferred to the computer. Then I'll throw a copy of that backup to cloud storage after encrypting it just for good measure.
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I thought of that but that's a lot more work for no gain and it won't work in the field, away from the desktop.
A 128GB SD card lets me do everything on the phone without worrying about space.
TWRP and TiBkp have an option to encrypt backups, which I use since I don't use encryption on the external SD card itself.

64Gb SanDisk Ultra convert to adoptable storage runs really bad. facebook lags, crashes, freezes.
UFS card should be out for adoptable storage.

umbrokhan said:
64Gb SanDisk Ultra convert to adoptable storage runs really bad. facebook lags, crashes, freezes.
UFS card should be out for adoptable storage.
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I'm using the same sd card as adopted storage without any problems.

Maik268 said:
I'm using the same sd card as adopted storage without any problems.
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have you tried facebook app or any heavy app on adoptable storage ?
the app is install on internal storage and data is install on SD card... do i have to change permission for the app. like for example storage location ?

umbrokhan said:
have you tried facebook app or any heavy app on adoptable storage ?
the app is install on internal storage and data is install on SD card... do i have to change permission for the app. like for example storage location ?
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I'm using facebook and some other heavy apps (for example games) every day and I have no lags (except sometimes if it loads new content from the internet, but this has nothing to do with the sd card).
But not a single crash!
There are no permissions you have to change. Maybe try to backup all your data on your sd card and format it again as adopted storage.

internal memory problem

Hi,
I know it is not such a good idea to use an SD card as internal memory. But unfortunately it has now happened.
I use a Motorola G5s with Android 8.1, 64 GByte SD card as internal memory. Now I would like to switch to a new Android and backup everything via the Google cloud before. Both Whatsapp backups and ThreemaBackups abort, probably because there is too little memory. The internal shared memory is given as 13.04 used by 32 GB and the SD as 63.06 used by 64 GB. I have removed Apps & Videos, only the internal shared memory becomes free. However, the backup problem remains.
What can I do? How can I make Whats App etc. find enough memory again?
Kind regards
Alex

Sweeny said:
Hi,
I know it is not such a good idea to use an SD card as internal memory. But unfortunately it has now happened.
I use a Motorola G5s with Android 8.1, 64 GByte SD card as internal memory. Now I would like to switch to a new Android and backup everything via the Google cloud before. Both Whatsapp backups and ThreemaBackups abort, probably because there is too little memory. The internal shared memory is given as 13.04 used by 32 GB and the SD as 63.06 used by 64 GB. I have removed Apps & Videos, only the internal shared memory becomes free. However, the backup problem remains.
What can I do? How can I make Whats App etc. find enough memory again?
Kind regards
Alex
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This thread is for g5 not for g5s. Please post your problem in g5s thread.
And for memory check, just install any file manager and check where the memory is using.
For WhatsApp use whatsapp backup feature, it will backup all of contact, message, video....

WhatsApp has its own backup system
Open WhatsApp and goto settings/chat/chat backup
Link your Google drive account and chat backups will be made
If you have too much media & not enough online storage you can manually copy the media from the WhatsApp folder on your device to a PC and backup just the chat messages only

Problems with internal memory (sd card)

Hi,
I know it is not such a good idea to use an SD card as internal memory. But unfortunately it has now happened.
I use a Motorola G5s with Android 8.1, 64 GByte SD card as internal memory. Now I would like to switch to a new Android and backup everything via the Google cloud before (I have tried to use the backup in the settings of Whattsapp). Both Whatsapp backups and ThreemaBackups abort, probably because there is too little memory. The internal shared memory is given as 13.04 used by 32 GB and the SD as 63.06 used by 64 GB. I have removed Apps & Videos, only the internal shared memory becomes free. However, the backup problem remains.
I already accessed the folder of external memory via the Android settings and deleted the video, but they were right back, so they were not deleted. I could only delete them via PC; but the memory space was not freed up in the SD card memory either, but in the internal memory.
It seems to me that the SD card memory is too full, but I can't free up any storage space there either?
What can I do? How can I make Whats App etc. find enough memory again?
Kind regards
Alex

Hi,
I try to migrate the data. Migration was aborted with error "not enough memory"; all data still there, only no improvement.
Does anyone know what I can do? SD formatted as internal, not migrated, migration aborted. Deleting files won't make things any better. We can't store anything on the device anymore, accordingly no backups can be made using the Whatsapp app