At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Lenovo ZUK Z2 (Plus)'s camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The phone is simply awesome except the camera if we get camera 2 api enabled it will be unbeatable....
Hope we get it in oreo upgrade..
Jagan17 said:
Hope we get it in oreo upgrade..
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There is no hope or chance from Lenovo to get any official Oreo ROM. This is confirmed by Lenovo via their update matrix page.
In a sense that is a good thing, since the biggest con / down side of this phone is the ZUI ROM. I have used many low-end hardware before with poor ROM buy nothing compares to ZUI.
Hope more and more developers buy this handset. Out standing hardware at 1/3rd of price of nearest competition. And they do give us some good Oreo based ROMs
The camera is not that great. I have used mi4 before and this camera make me feel disappointed. But it's not a rubbish camera. Its takes an effort to get good pictures. Camera 2 api + gmod5 camera is giving some great results on aex 5 rom. But it probably is because of the algorithms than the camera
Everyone, please rate bad if you know a bit of photography. Try using a manual camera app and set ISO and shutter speed manually and then report. No stock OEM focuses on camera. Try manual and then report
Please suggest few camera app you feel I should try with my Z2 plus
Anyone tell with Oreo and GCmod
GopalKaul said:
Anyone tell with Oreo and GCmod
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Tried Rom Jaguar_OREO_8.1_Z2_plus_OFFICIAL_FEB19 with GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V6. It gives awesome clarity when shot in HDR mode.
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Tried Rom Jaguar_OREO_8.1_Z2_plus_OFFICIAL_FEB19 with GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V6. It gives awesome clarity when shot in HDR mode.
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Link pls
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Link pls
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There you go
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-zuk-z2/development/jaguar-oreo-8-1-official-t3734597
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75683494&postcount=3156
Hardware wise camera is fine. But on software side , Stock zui camera app is very poor. A lot of noise and very less detail even in broad daylight photos. Dont expect anything from its low light shots. But with google camera app, it can capture very high quality photos with high level of detail even in low light shots.
So if you shoot a lot of photos and know how to unlock bootloader and do android stuff, you can go for it very well. Else this phone is not for you!
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Hardware wise camera is fine. But on software side , Stock zui camera app is very poor. A lot of noise and very less detail even in broad daylight photos. Dont expect anything from its low light shots. But with google camera app, it can capture very high quality photos with high level of detail even in low light shots.
So if you shoot a lot of photos and know how to unlock bootloader and do android stuff, you can go for it very well. Else this phone is not for you!
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Lol. Try shooting at 32 sec exposure! Awesome low light! More than my eye could see
GopalKaul said:
Lol. Try shooting at 32 sec exposure! Awesome low light! More than my eye could see
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lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!
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lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!
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On a custom ROM I meant
GopalKaul said:
On a custom ROM I meant
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Read my post again!
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lol. Didn't try that, neither can i now(switched to custom rom). Maybe you are right. But with stock settings, i had grainy photos. Maybe some tweaks here and there might work!
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Why cannt you do it on a custom ROM?
GopalKaul said:
Why cannt you do it on a custom ROM?
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How can i use stock zuk camera on a custom rom?
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How can i use stock zuk camera on a custom rom?
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Use a manual app like footej
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Use a manual app like footej
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Let me admit. I think i did not get anything what you tried to say till now. My bad!
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Let me admit. I think i did not get anything what you tried to say till now. My bad!
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Apps like footej allow you to set exposure manually... So you can use 32 sec shot in it
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Hello!
Yesterday I flashed CyanogenMod on my G4 H815 and just before the phone rebooted, I realized that I won't have the mega-awesome Camera app from LG. So does anyone know if there is any apk or any way to get it? To mention, I didn't backup my device because... because.
Thank you!
Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.
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Probably won't work even if you get the apk, since most OEM specific apps need OEM specific framework to run. I think the only way to have it working on CM would be to port it. But why would you want that anyway? The image quality won't really change. It's not that much dependant on the app but rather the drivers running the camera.
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It's not necessary the image quality, but the flexibility you have with that app (manual focus, iso, exposure time, etc.). I hope there is a way to use that app. While I was searching for it I found that there is the G4 Camera app ported for G3, so I am thinking that there could be the original app somewhere..
Thanks!
It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings. The quality otherwise is similar
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It's not possible right now. There have been efforts to port it, but nothing has come out of it yet. There are however other apps that are pretty good. And the CM stock camera app only misses the HDR and Manual settings.
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there are 3rd party apps that should work for manual setting but your max shutter won't exceed 0.7s. This is the already the case with the stock firmware and 3rd party camera apps.
There is something called night shot which the G4 resorts to very often especially with the front camera. that will be gone. Selfies ain't going to be as good. it's also used for the rear in lower light. Though a longer exposure will produce better images. night shot is a convenience when you don't want to set up on a tripod.
The quality otherwise is similar
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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
How good is the Cm camera in auto ? that's one of the strengths of the stock G4 camera.
Does the Cm camera make use of the colour sensor at all.
Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots
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How can you tell ?
it requires a side by side in full resolution with 2 G4's one with stock & CM under varying lighting. Lots of comparisons like that.
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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer). And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.
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I can tell because I have seen photos from both cameras (on the computer).
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Can you post links to examples of photos taken with cm camera ?
saw a few in the g4 community but the max resolution was just 2.4MP, need to be full resolution.
The low light shots on auto were crap. The G4 is a low light shooter in stock auto.
And if you really need 2 separate G4s under the same conditions side by side to tell the difference then there is not much difference. It's the audio bitrate debate all over again.
I am not saying it's as good as with stock but similar in most situations. I miss the HDR feature because it helps in low light situations.
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Such are the requirements for a clinching argument. otherwise its based on faith.
if people want to go down this route they need to know what they will be losing.
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ObiDanKenobi said:
Except for the 30s exposure there is nothing special about that app, just use Proshot and you will be far better, cancel noise reduction make dngs and you have better shots
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heh, anything from 0.5s UP TO 30s isn't possible.
I would be very sceptical about replacing stock with cm camera until i see plenty of examples with cm.
Also bear in mind that vendors keep a very tight lock on their cameras and don't share much with 3rd parties. yeah you can use a 3rd party app in some circumstances but you can never replace the stock camera in all situations. This stock cmaera that can challenge the likes of smasung and is touted as a major selling point of the G4. Yeah, i say its pretty special.
Which is a requirement to any one considering the CM path.
What i'm reading here is if you want CM then you don't care too much about the camera to begin with. That would not surprise me as people that are good with roms don't tend to be very good with camera and vice versa. it's rare to find both those skill sets in people.
Hi, I've been using the H8pro for quite few days now. I bought the phone for its camera capability. Though it takes excellent photos in regular conditions, I'm depressed to see the results in low light which equals the quality of a 3mp Nokia's cameras of yesteryear's. Any advice on how to use camera in low light. My Nikon d300s is too heavy to carry around hence this was a easy substitute but leave aside the low light capability
Rommco05 said:
Can you upload somewhere photos please? I have Honor 9 and Im a bit disappointed of qaulity in low light pictures wit auto mode, I want compare my and yours photos. If I use nightmode photos are excellent
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Sorry that's my family pic. But I'll take a pic and share with you. If u use a tripod and steady your phone at a low shutter speed with low iso
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Can you upload somewhere photos please? I have Honor 9 and Im a bit disappointed of qaulity in low light pictures wit auto mode, I want compare my and yours photos. If I use nightmode photos are excellent
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Sorry that's my family pic. But I'll take a pic and share with you. If u use a tripod and steady your phone at a low shutter speed with low iso then i guess There would be some difference. But then the subject should be still.
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Yes I use something like tripod for nightmode shots but this photos are good quality, I have blurred photos in night with automode
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Auto focus is never recommended. Even in dslrs. I wish some update came up for enhancing camera
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Auto focus is never recommended. Even in dslrs. I wish some update came up for enhancing camera
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Maybe capturing raw image (pro mode) will help. That way you can edit them later.
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K.khiladi said:
Maybe capturing raw image (pro mode) will help. That way you can edit them later.
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That wouldn't help if the subject motion blur is present.
It is simply because the lack of OIS
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That wouldn't help if the subject motion blur is present.
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More than the low light, I feel they should improve the daylight performance of the camera.
In daylight, the dynamic range and color balance is great but I feel the images aren't as sharpened as I would like them to be.
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PalakMi said:
It is simply because the lack of OIS
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Yeah. Or If an enhanced software is present
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Yeah. Or If an enhanced software is present
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Yes, but it won't do much like OIS, however I hope it will be better in the future.
sherwin.131986 said:
Yeah. Or If an enhanced software is present
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Rasie a complaint to honor via mail , more members have to join ,u will get the update.
venugopalu007 said:
Rasie a complaint to honor via mail , more members have to join ,u will get the update.
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Yeah but how can we pull in more members
sherwin.131986 said:
Yeah but how can we pull in more members
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Ask in whatsapp group , it contains more than 100+ members https://chat.whatsapp.com/Fov9CMNNWdE0p9GGED76Xw
Here is the link
K.khiladi said:
More than the low light, I feel they should improve the daylight performance of the camera.
In daylight, the dynamic range and color balance is great but I feel the images aren't as sharpened as I would like them to be.
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I never felt so. Maybe shaky hands cause that
The daylight performance of the camera is great, especially with pro mode
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I never felt so. Maybe shaky hands cause that
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That's personal opinion and it will differ.
But there can never be a situation where one can't improve something and so I feel they can improve the camera through software a bit more.
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K.khiladi said:
That's personal opinion and it will differ.
But there can never be a situation where one can't improve something and so I feel they can improve the camera through software a bit more.
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I wish the same. I boast a lot about the camera specs and I go in a hiding when asked to take a pic of the dinner
sherwin.131986 said:
I wish the same. I boast a lot about the camera specs and I go in a hiding when asked to take a pic of the dinner
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Lol bro don't hide ,just raise a issue complaint to honor.
Dont hide.
venugopalu007 said:
Lol bro don't hide ,just raise a issue complaint to honor.
Dont hide.
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Lol Venu, I have joined the group you've sent me the link for.
sherwin.131986 said:
I wish the same. I boast a lot about the camera specs and I go in a hiding when asked to take a pic of the dinner
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Honor 8 pro camera is great, you just need to get some lighting and a good angle of shooting
Hay dev. Please give a solution how to use gcam in xz premium
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Отправлено с моего G8341 через Tapatalk
Yes, would be nice!
Yes I agree let's get it ported to our phone guys
Right now I'm using Google camera 5.1
Pramodkumawat said:
Hay dev. Please give a solution how to use gcam in xz premium
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Pls try this man https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wLpl_NvsybIj0LzEnZc7cqXPXyQgEVHF
uditrawat said:
Pls try this man https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wLpl_NvsybIj0LzEnZc7cqXPXyQgEVHF
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What is this?
failax said:
What is this?
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aosp rom
grodri19721 said:
Right now I'm using Google camera 5.1
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does it support full resolution?
Back camera 8mp front 13mp would be nice if it was the other way around
Maybe I have good news
Well I tried messing around with the gcam 5.1 app and here is what i noticed.
First of all not all the functions work. Let alone the low resolution. Buuuut one cool feature i loved, the lens blur!
Tried it, makes nice dslr effect, even with selfies.
Now to my main point, i know its not new to you but i wanted to edit a photo that used a lens blur feature and went to higher the sharpness a bit, i got to 100% and photo did not look distorted!! Almost kept the image as it is but made it look naturally sharper! I shot some images with lens blur even for landscape usr it! Because that way the image will save all the details from around the object/landscape and once you go and sharpen the photo in photo editor you can go up to 100 (i suggest 50%) without seeing sharpness distortion but actually make a naturally sharper image which looked splinded! Maybe not a lot better than stock sony but this method makes lil sharper images than stock cameta on some level and a lot better than the 8.3mp option we are stuck with!
Hi all,
Wanted to know if there is any chance of the oneplus 6 camera app being ported to oneplus 5t AND if it will produce any better photos than what we are currently getting on the oneplus 5t.
A part of me hopes that oneplus is just waiting for enough oneplus 6 units to be sold before sending out an update for oneplus 5t that will give us the same processing software and power as the oneplus 6.
Thoughts and opinions on the above are welcome from all, especially the developers who have made this website the awesome place it is today for all mods and apps.
rgds,
Gcam on the 5t takes way better photos than the 6 ?*?
Jamie_oppo said:
Gcam on the 5t takes way better photos than the 6 ?*
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Does it actually though? I've compared pictures and I'm seeing gcam has a bit better overall color from the HDR processing but there is quite a bit of graininess in mid-low lighting settings. OOS cam definitely still does have oil painting effect but it's a lot less pronounced in the latest builds than it was on release, and photos in mid-low lighting are not near as grainy as gcam photos.
Care to change my mind and share your gcam setup/5t fixes you used?
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Does it actually though? I've compared pictures and I'm seeing gcam has a bit better overall color from the HDR processing but there is quite a bit of graininess in mid-low lighting settings. OOS cam definitely still does have oil painting effect but it's a lot less pronounced in the latest builds than it was on release, and photos in mid-low lighting are not near as grainy as gcam photos.
Care to change my mind and share your gcam setup/5t fixes you used?
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Use the latest apk 7.9.5 and the fixes. Do some research in the unified thread. When hdr enchnaced is on. Longer shutter time. The photos are incredible. Hdr on doesnt do much atm (it used to but thungs are getting fixed atm)
Just dont touch to focus in hdr enhnaced. ( you need root tho. )
please remove
Not rooted yet so haven't tried out GCam. Since i have an extended warranty and damage protection, etc... I have not rooted and frankly ..this is the first android phone where i don't feel the need to root as such. I am more inclined towards an unrooted port of the oneplus 6 camera or maybe an official update... hope it happens sooner or later.
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Not rooted yet so haven't tried out GCam. Since i have an extended warranty and damage protection, etc... I have not rooted and frankly ..this is the first android phone where i don't feel the need to root as such. I am more inclined towards an unrooted port of the oneplus 6 camera or maybe an official update... hope it happens sooner or later.
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How can it be that you do not see the need for root when you have what you are looking for with root and Gcam? There is no logic in your thinking ... One plus will not give you anything, the Indian continues
the google camera port with latest fix is not compairable to oneplus 6's software or oneplus's software in a decades
the way it handles colors noise and skin is unbelievable
both front and rear hdr I feel now that I don't need to upgrade for a better camera my camera now is more like top 5 smartphones
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the google camera port with latest fix is not compairable to oneplus 6's software or oneplus's software in a decades
the way it handles colors noise and skin is unbelievable
both front and rear hdr I feel now that I don't need to upgrade for a better camera my camera now is more like top 5 smartphones
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A question. I have the version 7.8 of the Arnova Pixel 2 with the libraries in Magisk V1 because with the V2 and the last Gcam I lost the facial unlocking. Is this already fixed? If it is fixed which version should I install and what mod of Magisk with the libraries without losing the facial unlocking?
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A question. I have the version 7.8 of the Arnova Pixel 2 with the libraries in Magisk V1 because with the V2 and the last Gcam I lost the facial unlocking. Is this already fixed? If it is fixed which version should I install and what mod of Magisk with the libraries without losing the facial unlocking?
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I use this apk https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V7.9.7.apk
and this magisk mod https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4513536&d=1527644726
everything works on google cam except slow motion
face unlock works perfectly
but stock oneplus cam is broke who needs it anyways
AlMaghraby said:
I use this apk https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V7.9.7.apk
and this magisk mod https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4513536&d=1527644726
everything works on google cam except slow motion
face unlock works perfectly
but stock oneplus cam is broke who needs it anyways
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Thank you very much mate. It is amazing this camera so good.
I just took some pictures and have improved more to the 7.8
Can we say that it is better than the native of OP6? I believe that yes hahaha.
Princeland said:
Thank you very much mate. It is amazing this camera so good.
I just took some pictures and have improved more to the 7.8
Can we say that it is better than the native of OP6? I believe that yes hahaha.
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of course it is there is no much of improvements in the op6 over op5t
the slightly big improvement is in low light only but still the op6's camera is far from google pixel ,apple and samsung
we get pixel quality photos with this mod so we have a top tier camera flagship degree
We probably take better pictures than the pixel xl 2 because we have a wider f1.7 lens lol
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How can it be that you do not see the need for root when you have what you are looking for with root and Gcam? There is no logic in your thinking ... One plus will not give you anything, the Indian continues
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I would love to root it but it is under warranty and apart from the camera, i don't see the need to root it for anything else.
Believe me, this is the first phone i am using where my fingers are not itching to root it straight out of the box.
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AlMaghraby said:
I use this apk https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V7.9.7.apk
and this magisk mod https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4513536&d=1527644726
everything works on google cam except slow motion
face unlock works perfectly
but stock oneplus cam is broke who needs it anyways
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Nice, how is video quality, really like videos done with OP camera?
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Nice, how is video quality, really like videos done with OP camera?
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I would say OP Video output is better
I'm still curious about the OP's question. Would an OP6 camera port to our phone make a difference?
What are the best settings in the latest version of GCam? (HDR, ISO......)
AlMaghraby said:
I use this apk https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V7.9.7.apk
and this magisk mod https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4513536&d=1527644726
everything works on google cam except slow motion
face unlock works perfectly
but stock oneplus cam is broke who needs it anyways
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Can you please give me the link of the magisk module thread? I would like to read more about it.
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Can you please give me the link of the magisk module thread? I would like to read more about it.
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/op5fix/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75285158&postcount=2050
I'm on bootleggers ROM. Picture taken on the pixel 3xl aren't how they supposed to be.
I could see every reviewer giving great reviews on camera and their pics prove it too. But when I'm taking pics, if i slightly zoom the image, I'm finding noise in the image. PFA shot.
Any one felt the same with camera?
harigavara said:
I'm on bootleggers ROM. Picture taken on the pixel 3xl aren't how they supposed to be. I could see every reviewer giving great reviews on camera and their pics prove it too. But when I'm taking pics, if i slightly zoom the image, I'm finding noise in the image. PFA shot. Any one felt the same with camera?
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Forgive the obvious, but you didn't mention how the camera was on the stock rom before flashing BL. Surely you tested the camera before the custom rom? If not, backup and flash back to the stock rom. Camera has been pretty much perfect in all respects. If you have legitimate issues on stock then I'd be on the line with support. You may also want to solicit feedback from the dedicated BL rom thread. Best of luck.
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Forgive the obvious, but you didn't mention how the camera was on the stock rom before flashing BL. Surely you tested the camera before the custom rom? If not, backup and flash back to the stock rom. Camera has been pretty much perfect in all respects. If you have legitimate issues on stock then I'd be on the line with support. You may also want to solicit feedback from the dedicated BL rom thread. Best of luck.
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Thank you for response mate..
When i tried on stock also, i didn't felt great with camera results as they too even have noise in images.
Coming to BL thread, none mentioned such issue with camera.
harigavara said:
Thank you for response mate..
When i tried on stock also, i didn't felt great with camera results as they too even have noise in images.
Coming to BL thread, none mentioned such issue with camera.
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For example if i slightly zoom in that OP picture the results are with noise..
Do the noise in portrait pictures with zoom in is expected & obvious?
Also attaching a random click taken in mid afternoon with pretty good light but the image end up with average quality
harigavara said:
For example if i slightly zoom in that OP picture the results are with noise..
Do the noise in portrait pictures with zoom in is expected & obvious?
Also attaching a random click taken in mid afternoon with pretty good light but the image end up with average quality
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Not sure what you are expecting from a low-res, camera-compressed photo? Try using a full resolution photo and don't zoom with the camera. Make any necessary edits on the laptop/PC. You're complaining about a phone camera that has been judged close to perfect by every account, yet you post a 4:3 low-res/ software-zoomed pic? What are you really trying trying to say in a thread all by yourself? Camera is phenomenal. Tried Night Sight in regular light? Shot any raw .dng? Try these suggestions and come back.