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Does North American Pixel phone work with LTE frequencies in Europe?

NA (North America) Pixel's tech specs show it supports plenty of frequencies, including LTE bands 1, 3, 7, 20 which are the most common ones for LTE in EU (Europe). Despite of that, I found here opinions of this device not working in EU for LTE (unfortunately without explanation or references). So I am confused. Does anyone know more / have experience?

Because not all European carriers have all frequences working in all areas, so it may have issues with some carriers.

jerryhou85 said:
Because not all European carriers have all frequences working in all areas, so it may have issues with some carriers.
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Well... thank you for the reply... but... isn't it obvious, that phones will not work in areas with no coverage? I ques I just understand you wrong...

sirda said:
Well... thank you for the reply... but... isn't it obvious, that phones will not work in areas with no coverage? I ques I just understand you wrong...
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I have the similar question as well: we have same situation in China, some carrier has some bands and the others have the rest. I just ordered one days ago and will test it myself...

jerryhou85 said:
I have the similar question as well: we have same situation in China, some carrier has some bands and the others have the rest. I just ordered one days ago and will test it myself...
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I think you won't have any problems as long as you get the RoW (rest of the world) version. I want a phone I can use in North America and in Europe as well...

http://willmyphonework.net not sure if this will help because it doesn't really differentiate NA version from ROW, but I just put in Denmark and it said the Pixel XL would work with most carriers in Denmark.
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sirda said:
I think you won't have any problems as long as you get the RoW (rest of the world) version. I want a phone I can use in North America and in Europe as well...
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I've got the one from US Play Store, I suppose it is US version.
It seems work with most carriers in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Use the above to see if (or which) carriers in your most visited destinations use the bands that the US Pixel supports.

pTeronaut said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Use the above to see if (or which) carriers in your most visited destinations use the bands that the US Pixel supports.
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Thank you. I found out I need LTE frequencies 1, 3, 7, 20. NA Pixel lists all of them in tech specs. It means it will work? Is it really so easy to find out?

jerryhou85 said:
I've got the one from US Play Store, I suppose it is US version.
It seems work with most carriers in China.
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There are only 3 different pixel builds. Verizon, Europe and rest of world. You would have purchased rest of world from USA google play.

robber said:
There are only 3 different pixel builds. Verizon, Europe and rest of world. You would have purchased rest of world from USA google play.
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It is not EU and the rest of world. It is US and the rest of world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
And it seems to me like the US version will work with majority of European carriers, even with EU LTE networks (since supporting bands # 3, 7 & 20).
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Lenovo P2 model differences

Hi all I've been looking to buy a Lenovo P2 and have noticed there seems to be 2 different versions- the P2a42 and the P2c72. Whats the difference? They're not available where I live so need to import. Thanks for your help!

Zven82 said:
Hi all I've been looking to buy a Lenovo P2 and have noticed there seems to be 2 different versions- the P2a42 and the P2c72. Whats the difference? They're not available where I live so need to import. Thanks for your help!
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I think that the P2c72 is 64GB for China but I might be wrong

RNG_XDER said:
I think that the P2c72 is 64GB for China but I might be wrong
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Ah ok thanks. Are they identical apart from that? I really want to get one but i'm worried the china version won't get updates or will be missing all the google apps like play store etc.

Zven82 said:
Ah ok thanks. Are they identical apart from that? I really want to get one but i'm worried the china version won't get updates or will be missing all the google apps like play store etc.
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You would need to worry about the frequencies that both models are configured for. Typically Lenovo has CN and ROW (Rest Of World), and with my previous P780, I had to set a custom ROM to make it work as ROW using Europe frequencies for GSM.
I heard that for the P2, this is the differences between the models but I'm not sure...

casaben said:
You would need to worry about the frequencies that both models are configured for. Typically Lenovo has CN and ROW (Rest Of World), and with my previous P780, I had to set a custom ROM to make it work as ROW using Europe frequencies for GSM.
I heard that for the P2, this is the differences between the models but I'm not sure...
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Awesome thanks. I've spoken to a supplier who has said they load the international rom on the phone- does that sound possible? And the 3G/4G bands are the same as the phone i'm using now so that's positive. Thanks for your help!

Hi, i live in europe and have bought p2c72 4GB/64GB variant, at first start i've check fw and it was p2c72 but when i put sim card and go by configure process fw has changed to p2a42 also i've get update to latest fw.
btw. on top of the phone between headphone jack and second microphone it says p2c72 and on the box of course.

lokr said:
Hi, i live in europe and have bought p2c72 4GB/64GB variant, at first start i've check fw and it was p2c72 but when i put sim card and go by configure process fw has changed to p2a42 also i've get update to latest fw.
btw. on top of the phone between headphone jack and second microphone it says p2c72 and on the box of course.
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That's interesting, did the box look like it had been opened? The 4GB/64GB is the version i'm really looking for. Did it have google play etc when you first turned the phone on and did the initial setup? Thanks for your help!

Box was sealed with lenovo sticker's, on 1st boot i was curious about fw and apps that was installed so i skip initial setup and check fw and it was p7c72, google play was in it and few other google apps also some lenovo no chinese apps were installed so i switch off the phone and put simcard and microsd and boot the phone and make initial setup, after it was made i get notification about system update so i made it, after reboot i've go to check security patch i notice that fw version change to p2a42, lte works normal but i don't know how to check which band are used now so (don't know service codes for lenovo), on first battery drainage i made SOT of almost 12h where on my oneplus3 after nugat i get only 3,5 h to 4h max also i wonder if p2 gets nugat and how horrible battery life will be.

lokr said:
Box was sealed with lenovo sticker's, on 1st boot i was curious about fw and apps that was installed so i skip initial setup and check fw and it was p7c72, google play was in it and few other google apps also some lenovo no chinese apps were installed so i switch off the phone and put simcard and microsd and boot the phone and make initial setup, after it was made i get notification about system update so i made it, after reboot i've go to check security patch i notice that fw version change to p2a42, lte works normal but i don't know how to check which band are used now so (don't know service codes for lenovo), on first battery drainage i made SOT of almost 12h where on my oneplus3 after nugat i get only 3,5 h to 4h max also i wonder if p2 gets nugat and how horrible battery life will be.
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Does LTE Band 20 (800 MHz) work on your p2c72? I have bought one yesterday and updated OTA to P2a42_S062_170117_ROW but LTE doesn't seem to work except from shopping mall, where LTE works on Band 3 (1800 MHz).

baobab007 said:
Does LTE Band 20 (800 MHz) work on your p2c72? I have bought one yesterday and updated OTA to P2a42_S062_170117_ROW but LTE doesn't seem to work except from shopping mall, where LTE works on Band 3 (1800 MHz).
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I don't know how to check which band are used by phone, but LTE work as it schould be, also wcdma works. How to check it?

lokr said:
I don't know how to check which band are used by phone, but LTE work as it schould be, also wcdma works. How to check it?
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Try downloading "Network Signal Guru" app from the Google Play store.
This app should be able to display it. If you take a look at the screenshots, it shows LTE Band, which should read "B20 | 800 MHz" in the most of Europe I guess. At least in rural areas, which are usually covered with lower frequencies.
BTW, this app should also be able to display all supported LTE Bands (check the screenshots). It would be most helpful, if you could check it as well.
EDIT: Maybe even simpler is to use "SignalCheck Lite" app from Play store.

baobab007 said:
Try downloading "Network Signal Guru" app from the Google Play store.
This app should be able to display it. If you take a look at the screenshots, it shows LTE Band, which should read "B20 | 800 MHz" in the most of Europe I guess. At least in rural areas, which are usually covered with lower frequencies.
BTW, this app should also be able to display all supported LTE Bands (check the screenshots). It would be most helpful, if you could check it as well.
EDIT: Maybe even simpler is to use "SignalCheck Lite" app from Play store.
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Network Signal Guru shows only LTE/LTE, second one also show only LTE and signal info no word about which band is used.

Added screenshots

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OK, thanks. It's hard to tell, which band is actually used. But it's great, that your phone actually works with LTE. Could you possibly share, where have you bought it?

I bought the P2c72 and it has a chinese ROM. It comes with a dual SIM and 64GB. Would anyone know if it is possible to apply the P2a42 ROM to the device?

Laubscherc said:
I bought the P2c72 and it has a chinese ROM. It comes with a dual SIM and 64GB. Would anyone know if it is possible to apply the P2a42 ROM to the device?
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i heard somewhere that Updating with Official OTA changed ROM version to P2a42
give a try , if you receive any update :highfive:

lokr said:
I don't know how to check which band are used by phone, but LTE work as it schould be, also wcdma works. How to check it?
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Can you please tell me whether "Motorola Mobility LLC" is written on the back or not?

On back I only have Lenovo brand and nfc mark.

Band Locking? Engineering Mode?

Hello everyone. I have a rooted Pixel XL on 7.1.1.
I can use the Network Signal Guru app to see the available bands but the locking option is disabled.
The internet told me to go to Engineering/Service Mode/Menu. The app Shortcut Manager Lite shows no such thing. I REALLY want to lock my band to a certain one as my phone always decides to choose the slow one. It's easy on Samsung phone or so I've heard. Did Google block this?
I don't mean the LTE only or CDMA/GSM selection. I mean the specific LTE bands. (For eg. 5,40) No Verizon. International unblocked version.
Cheers. Thanks.

Bump?
Also fun fact, my parents call the Pixel XL The Megapixel. Hehe.
Sorry for bumping.

Had the same issue with the Nexus 6P even after trying different radio versions with Cyanogenmod 13 and Android 7.1.X stock. On the Nexus 5X I didn't have any problems accessing the band locking option but I found this to resolve the issue on the Nexus 6P: http://www.trona-tech.net/network-signal-guru-on-nexus-6p/
I had to flash the "Engineering Radio" that I found using that link...perhaps one needs to flash the equivalent "Engineering Radio" on the Pixel to enable band locking with Network Signal Guru?

If you flash a custom ROM you can get band locking.

Fyi, on one of the official XL builds I was able to do the locking in that app. Haven't been able to in any of the last few builds. I told the developer but he wanted me to test and find what build/radio it was but I ain't got time for that.

GigabitEthernet said:
If you flash a custom ROM you can get band locking.
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Thank you so much!!!
I finally got Pure Nexus and can lock bands prefectly!
Again, Thanks a lot!

s1dest3pnate said:
Fyi, on one of the official XL builds I was able to do the locking in that app. Haven't been able to in any of the last few builds. I told the developer but he wanted me to test and find what build/radio it was but I ain't got time for that.
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What a useful post.

GigabitEthernet said:
What a useful post.
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Lol it's not useful to know that it worked at one point on a stock rom build? You must not be very bright.

s1dest3pnate said:
Lol it's not useful to know that it worked at one point on a stock rom build? You must not be very bright.
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More the fact a developer volunteered to resolve the problem and asked you for some information and you refused to help. You're the worst kind of user.

Great point. So all of us on this forum aren't using our phones as daily drivers and are willing and able to spend hours to flash various builds and radios and do testing and increase risk of bricking?
There are different levels of users on this forum you know.

ASimpleSock said:
Thank you so much!!!
I finally got Pure Nexus and can lock bands prefectly!
Again, Thanks a lot!
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Great to hear! If you don't mind can you share your:
1) PureNexus Version
2) Radio/Baseband Version (perhaps the same radio from 7.1.1 stock?)
3) That you're still using the free version of Network Signal Guru you lock LTE bands?
Thanks!

LS1_01 said:
Great to hear! If you don't mind can you share your:
1) PureNexus Version
2) Radio/Baseband Version (perhaps the same radio from 7.1.1 stock?)
3) That you're still using the free version of Network Signal Guru you lock LTE bands?
Thanks!
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Just see the screenshot.
1) 7.1.1-20170317-OFFICIAL
2) I got tired typing it. Find it in the image.
3) Yes I'm still using the free version from the Play Store.
Cheers!

Update.
I was in contact with NSG developer, he shared with me RC build, I tested and worked great.
And now update in Play Store ?
Band locking working great out of the box ??

mr-tical said:
Update.
I was in contact with NSG developer, he shared with me RC build, I tested and worked great.
And now update in Play Store
Band locking working great out of the box
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When you say out of the box, you mean not rooted, right? If so, could you share the app? I really want to lock bands but don't want to root. Any other tips/feedback/suggestions would be appreciated!

mr-tical said:
Update.
I was in contact with NSG developer, he shared with me RC build, I tested and worked great.
And now update in Play Store ?
Band locking working great out of the box ??
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Yes could you please share more info...are you using this app on stock rooted 8.1? Name of app? And would you happen to know what are the preferred bands? I'm on metro pcs using a tmobile apn if that matters...
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Out of the box, I mean install application and that's all
Not needed flashing modified radio.img etc..
Network Signal Guru, available in Play Store.
I'm rooted, stock 8.1, all working fine.
Which bands I prefer? It depends on the carrier and country.
Here in Poland (and probably most EU country's) LTE bands are 3, 7, 8, 20.
And the better band is the one that is less loaded and on which I have better speeds.
Just test it.
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mr-tical said:
Out of the box, I mean install application and that's all
Not needed flashing modified radio.img etc..
Network Signal Guru, available in Play Store.
I'm rooted, stock 8.1, all working fine.
Which bands I prefer? It depends on the carrier and country.
Here in Poland (and probably most EU country's) LTE bands are 3, 7, 8, 20.
And the better band is the one that is less loaded and on which I have better speeds.
Just test it.
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Awesome...I hope someone chimes in and tells me the magic bands for my situation..the screenshots from that app look very confusing..if all else fails there's Google I reckon..
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AP2FTW said:
Awesome...I hope someone chimes in and tells me the magic bands for my situation..the screenshots from that app look very confusing..if all else fails there's Google I reckon..
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Look..You're in US so you need to look for US band on T-Mobile.
I've found this article:
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Che...on-T-Mobile-and-Sprint-use-in-the-USA_id77933
Based on this, T-Mobile US bands are 2, 4, 12, 66, 71**
**Rolling out in 2017.
T-Mobile
Finally, T-Mobile has been the loudest and arguably the fastest growing 4G LTE network, especially in the big cities.
2017 Update: T-Mobile has won a big 30MHz chunk of spectrum in an auction held this summer. The frequencies that it is now allowed to operate are in the low-band, 600MHz band, and are referred to as 4G LTE band 71. The new band 71 is rolling out to cities in Wyoming, Northwest Oregon, West Texas, Southwest Kansas, the Oklahoma panhandle, Western North Dakota, Maine, Coastal North Carolina, Central Pennsylvania, Central Virginia and Eastern Washington by the end of 2017. This is expected to boost its coverage by 6 million people to a total of 321 million Americans.
Currently, T-Mobile's main band is still band 4 (AWS) in the 1700 MHz range. Band 2 is used in markets where band 4 is not available, but the two are also aggregated for better coverage in markets, where both are available.
Band 12, on the other hand, is where a lot of T-Mobile's growth happens. While at the beginning of the roll-out in late 2014, few phones supported band 12, currently, most popular phones do and the increased penetration of the lower-frequency band makes it preferable.
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But, I don't know if this tech spec is current.
Someone else from T-Mobile US need to confirm.
For example EU bands are not current, because based on this, in Poland we have bands 3, 7, 20 (1800, 2600, 800) but we stating to use LTE900 (band8) and also slowly starting LTE2100 (I don't remember which band it is).
So best for you is to test downloads speeds on your every band, just uncheck all in Network Signal Guru, leave only one, save and test download speed with some speed test app, back to NSG, select different band, save and test again and again and again...
Look for best band for your needs.

One version for US and Rest-of-World this year？

We know 1st gen Pixel has two version: NA and RoW(Rest of world) , but i found UK and AU store website which should be the "RoW version" has exactly the same radio band support as as US store version .
So this year Pixel 2 seems only have one version for all ? or is it just wrong info on the spec page? I'm confused.

It's the same version sold worldwide.

its good if it is, as then everyone gets all the bands so you can travel anywhere with the phone. seems only difference will be project-fi in the US using an esim.

It's cheaper for the to make only one version for everyone
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Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time

Last year I bought the US version which didn't work well with my China Telecom... I'm glad this year they only make one model to fit all...

Yep, one stop international device shopping is the best way to go...

okgnew said:
Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time
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The Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 has 43 International LTE bands including all the US ones
The OnePlus 5 does too

FMXP said:
The Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 has 43 International LTE bands including all the US ones
The OnePlus 5 does too
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Does it also support all possible carrier aggregation band pairings?

kEvinErd said:
Does it also support all possible carrier aggregation band pairings?
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okgnew said:
Yes, of course it's cheaper to make only one version, but so far no company managed to integrate support for 21 LTE bands and all possible carrier aggregation combinations used in US/EU/Asia.
Not even Apple (who like to save cost more than any other company I have dealt with).
It all results in extra antennas and radio front-end components that need extra space and cost extra money.
Congratulations to Google/Qualcomm/LG/HTC if they actually managed it this time
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The Pixel 2 XL supports 4G pretty much anywhere in the world.
Carrier-aggregation might be another story though, the USA and EU models might differ in what bands they can combine.
Google hasn't mentioned what bands are supported for C-A so we don't know yet. If anyone was thinking about getting the phone in the USA I'd hold of for just a bit until it's been clarified.

I live in Japan and was waiting for Pixel 2 for ages, was super disappointed that they are not only failing to sell this here, but didn't include the appropriate bands for Japan. Bands 1/3 will work and you'll just have **** coverage if you're in a basement or out in the country, which is good enough I guess for a tourist. I ended up buying last year's Pixel after waiting a year for the 2.
I just came across this today after digging for info on the Pixel v1 I just got. Not sure if I'll be more or less annoyed if I find out the Pixel 2 really does secretly support other bands.
Edit: Bands 19 & 21 are what I need to full coverage.

discoltk said:
I live in Japan and was waiting for Pixel 2 for ages, was super disappointed that they are not only failing to sell this here, but didn't include the appropriate bands for Japan. Bands 1/3 will work and you'll just have **** coverage if you're in a basement or out in the country, which is good enough I guess for a tourist. I ended up buying last year's Pixel after waiting a year for the 2.
I just came across this today after digging for info on the Pixel v1 I just got. Not sure if I'll be more or less annoyed if I find out the Pixel 2 really does secretly support other bands.
Edit: Bands 19 & 21 are what I need to full coverage.
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Usually I use this website to check for phone's coverage: http://willmyphonework.net/

jerryhou85 said:
Usually I use this website to check for phone's coverage: http://willmyphonework.net/
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Thanks - but I know what bands I need and I know what the Google reports the phone as having.
The issue is there's a dependency between what GCF reports and what Google claims.

discoltk said:
Thanks - but I know what bands I need and I know what the Google reports the phone as having.
The issue is there's a dependency between what GCF reports and what Google claims.
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You mean possibly Google has disabled some bands?

jerryhou85 said:
You mean possibly Google has disabled some bands?
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Yes that seems to be a possibility. So, they may be able to be enabled with a different modem firmware if so, though I don't want to get back into the constantly fighting to keep my phone updated with unsupported software.

Sadly,they drop the LTE band39 support this year, Living in China , and this is one of the bands China Mobile use in my city. B3/B38/B40/B41 are the other bands China Mobile using. So it should be some coverage problem especially in tunnel or subway.

Question Do all the Pixel phones support the same bands?

I live in Dubai and I know for a fact that the UK uses the same bands that we use here so I wouldn't have connectivity issues with LTE/5G.
Now, the Pixel 6 Pro is out of stock at the Google Store UK; so my question is if I buy from let's say Google Store Australia or US, are the supported bands the same or do they use different bands for different Pixel phones depending on the region its sold in?

No. Only the US, Japan, and Australia models support mmwave.
All models should support the same 4G and sub6 5G bands though.

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No. Only the US, Japan, and Australia models support mmwave.
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right, so a US Pixel 6 Pro would have connectivity issues in Dubai/UK or would it still work and get 5G signal?

No issues. Provided your carrier doesn't whitelist for 5G or use an unusual band, it should work fine.

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No issues. Provided your carrier doesn't whitelist for 5G or use an unusual band, it should work fine.
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Thanks a lot for the prompt reply! Cheers

superspartan said:
Thanks a lot for the prompt reply! Cheers
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5g volte and vowifi will not work in dubai, dont order the phone if you cant live without any of those

clipdawg05 said:
5g volte and vowifi will not work in dubai, dont order the phone if you cant live without any of those
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it does have all the correct bands though, so maybe in the future google will unlock the phone to be used in all countries or maybe someone smart will figure it out on a rooted phone