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So all my previous phone have all been rooted and custom rom.
Just bought the LG g4 and tried rooting but when I unlocked the bootloader it went into bootloop.
Sent it to LG for repair and waited a week and just got it back.
I'm scared to try it again.
Suggestions?
Depends. I've rooted mine and i don't really use root anyway. Only benefit of unlocked bootloader and root is when u want to use apps like viper4android or flash Nougat roms. I'm now using simplegx rom and it is pretty stock, plus the safetynet isn't passing because of bootloader. Imo the best would be if LG just could release Nougat, but they will do it at the end of a year i guess.
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Depends. I've rooted mine and i don't really use root anyway. Only benefit of unlocked bootloader and root is when u want to use apps like viper4android or flash Nougat roms. I'm now using simplegx rom and it is pretty stock, plus the safetynet isn't passing because of bootloader. Imo the best would be if LG just could release Nougat, but they will do it at the end of a year i guess.
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Thanks for your input
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The boot loader is nothing to do with the safety net. I use android pay on my phone.
As for rooting, I use it for a few things. Mostly adblockers these days. So unless you have an app that you need it for probably not.
Godspeed123 said:
So all my previous phone have all been rooted and custom rom.
Just bought the LG g4 and tried rooting but when I unlocked the bootloader it went into bootloop.
Sent it to LG for repair and waited a week and just got it back.
I'm scared to try it again.
Suggestions?
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Now in my case rooting is a must. Yea i use viper. But between xposed. And stuff like bloat removal not just disable. Normally i end up with sprint phones and im not a sprint customer. Usaully require root to unlock. And now aparantly modify the apn setting too on the g4. Battery life mods.
Lol couldnt live without it
There are a few xposed modules that I can't live without, so root is a must. In my experience, custom ROMs often introduce issues with the camera, so I'm not going crazy waiting for my H810 to get an unofficial bootloader unlock (though I'm following that development closely out of nerdy curiosity). Plus everything @TheMadScientist420 mentioned.
niftium said:
There are a few xposed modules that I can't live without, so root is a must. In my experience, custom ROMs often introduce issues with the camera, so I'm not going crazy waiting for my H810 to get an unofficial bootloader unlock (though I'm following that development closely out of nerdy curiosity). Plus everything @TheMadScientist420 mentioned.
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Im a stock rom kinda guy so unlocked bl isnt a must as long as i can modify stock system how i need.
My biggest thkng is i use after market. Old htc sense flip clock so hiding clock in staus bar is a must also has a battery gauge. So gotta hide batter meter too. I hate stuffed up notification bars. Plus. Like my note 5 has no usb port so wifi file transfer adb through wifi and such is a must there.
Which sammy just beat lg. Nougat just came out for my note 5 but i cant odin back stock due to no usb port. So i have to wait for a ftwrp flashable version.
Root and adaway is absolutely minimum. Than U can have xposed and the "gate" is open.
I just don't wanna bootloop again
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mcscruff said:
The boot loader is nothing to do with the safety net. I use android pay on my phone.
As for rooting, I use it for a few things. Mostly adblockers these days. So unless you have an app that you need it for probably not.
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Actually safetynet can check if bootloader is unlocked so it has a lot to do. There are some kernel tweaks that hide bootloader status but i havn't seen it on any g4 kernel. I'm not passing safetynet after unlocking and using stock roms like simplegx or imperium. I havn't tried flashing stock kdz tho. What are your software then that doesn't trigger safetynet? Would be helpful
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Actually safetynet can check if bootloader is unlocked so it has a lot to do. There are some kernel tweaks that hide bootloader status but i havn't seen it on any g4 kernel. I'm not passing safetynet after unlocking and using stock roms like simplegx or imperium. I havn't tried flashing stock kdz tho. What are your software then that doesn't trigger safetynet? Would be helpful
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Im using a stock based rom, and magisk root. I have also passed on LOS based roms too but nfc doesnt work in Android pay (it does in other apps)
I need some help and I've looked all over but the information is fragmented and there is too many unfamiliar acronyms used which make it incredibly difficult for some like myself to catch up. So for the benefit of others who may be new I wanted to get some additional guidance.
I got the Pixel XL Google Version
Objectives:
1. Root with the ability to hide root so other apps will work
2. Native Mobile Hotspot
3. The ability to easily receive android updates without having to reflash etc..
4. Stay close to stock if possible, but willing to explore other options as long as security is trusted, and has good
compatibility.
5. Security is a concern, I tried a rom in the past with a Galaxy S4 and swear it had a backdoor installed in the rom.
What do you guys recommend? And how do I go about doing it?
Thank you!
If security is truly a concern you will not unlock your bootloader and root your phone.
Otherwise it all depends on which version phone you have, Verizon or Google?
1. You need magisk root for that.
3. No updates when you are rooted
4.5. Never heard of any custom rom with a backdoor. That's absolutely bull****. More likely it was an app you installed.
Unlocked bootloader is a security issue, so better to stay on full stock.
Root is a big security issue so better stay on full stock.
Jokes aside the only security issue is your phone gets stolen or you install apps outside playstore.
If you stay encrypted and use a hard pattern with fingerprint you are fine and there is always the way to delete your phone when it gets stolen.
mikaole said:
1. You need magisk root for that.
3. No updates when you are rooted
4.5. Never heard of any custom rom with a backdoor. That's absolutely bull****. More likely it was an app you installed.
Unlocked bootloader is a security issue, so better to stay on full stock.
Root is a big security issue so better stay on full stock.
I have the Pixel XL - Google Version
Jokes aside the only security issue is your phone gets stolen or you install apps outside playstore.
If you stay encrypted and use a hard pattern with fingerprint you are fine and there is always the way to delete your phone when it gets stolen.
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My point about security really was that it's quite possible a ROM could have a backdoor. That a side..
Root is not a big security issue for me as long as the rom is trusted etc..
Shouldn't I be able to turn root off then be able to update and turn it back on again?
jadensmith said:
1. Root with the ability to hide root so other apps will work
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It's possible to root to one slot with SuperSU while the other slot remains unrooted, and then the phone can be switched between slots with TWRP or fastboot commands. Kernels have been posted with safetynet patches, to hide that the bootloader is unlocked, but I'm not sure if any are available with the software version on my phone's current slot. As noted, Magisk can also hide root and that the bootloader is unlocked, so it's probably less hassle than trying to root and hide using SuperSU.
3. The ability to easily receive android updates without having to reflash etc.
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FlashFire can use the OTA to update and stay rooted with SuperSU. The past couple months I've used FlashFire to update my phone, and it seems quicker and easier than the sideloading and reinstalling process I had been using. I'm not aware of anything similar to FlashFire for Magisk users, so to me it seems like you would have to decide if 1 or 3 is more personally important.
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Shouldn't I be able to turn root off then be able to update and turn it back on again?
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While reading I got the impression that I might be able to uninstall SuperSU and use the OTA update, but that didn't work with SuperSU the times I tried it, so I presume something SuperSU changed or something I did with root must have caused the update to fail. I haven't read the Magisk threads as much, yet I've seen that other SuperSU users also indicate that OTA updates no longer worked for them after rooting the phone.
alluringreality said:
It's possible to root to one slot with SuperSU while the other slot remains unrooted, and then the phone can be switched between slots with TWRP or fastboot commands. Kernels have been posted with safetynet patches, to hide that the bootloader is unlocked, but I'm not sure if any are available with the software version on my phone's current slot. As noted, Magisk can also hide root and that the bootloader is unlocked, so it's probably less hassle than trying to root and hide using SuperSU.
FlashFire can use the OTA to update and stay rooted with SuperSU. The past couple months I've used FlashFire to update my phone, and it seems quicker and easier than the sideloading and reinstalling process I had been using. I'm not aware of anything similar to FlashFire for Magisk users, so to me it seems like you would have to decide if 1 or 3 is more personally important.
That didn't work with SuperSU the times I tried it, so I presumed that something I did with root must have caused the update to fail to install.
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Wow thanks for the great reply! It's so refreshing!
What do you mean by root one slot?
The phone has two "slots" for Android. The basic idea is that you have two copies of Android on the phone that share the same user data. On a stock phone it's intended to allow for less noticeable updates, and it also can allow the phone to fall back to the previous software version if something goes wrong with an update. On the May update my phone did automatically switch between slots, due to what is discussed in the second link below. The first link below gives some information and additional links to discussion about the slots on these phones.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-partition-changes-and-new-fastboot-commands/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...signing-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606
Is it possible to keep stock or near stock and just have root with the ability to hide root, and hotspot?
That's all I really need. What would be the best way to to do this?
Pretty self explanatory. I have the update pending for 8.0 but I've heard mixed reviews of the Oreo updates. So please, if anyone can be honest and tell me weather to proceed, or should I wait and why. Thanks you.
If it's a Verizon model you just have a gem in your hands, look on how to unlock the bootloader before update, if it's a Google version, then all you get are improvements and new features without compromises.
liriolebron said:
If it's a Verizon model you just have a gem in your hands, look on how to unlock the bootloader before update, if it's a Google version, then all you get are improvements and new features without compromises.
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What's the best way to check if it's Verizon? And I don't need to root or anything honestly. I'm asking if the bugs with 8.0 are worth updating at the current state.
I recommend unlocking bootloader first and then update
So by unlocking the bootloader, I won't run into problems taking official updates?
nellycruzz said:
So by unlocking the bootloader, I won't run into problems taking official updates?
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No. If you modify system (root, Magisk, custom ROMs/kernels, TWRP recovery, etc) then you won't be able to take official OTA updates. But you can take them just fine with an unlocked bootloader.
Also, I'm on stock 8.1 and have no issues to speak of. I say go for it.
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So by unlocking the bootloader, I won't run into problems taking official updates?
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FYI If phone is a Verizon version an on 7.1.1 you are able to unlock it. If you update beyond 7.1.1 without unlocking you will Never be able to unlock it. If it's a Google version no worries.
There's no reason to unlock the bootloader if you're not rooting. That's just introducing a security issue. The Oreo update is safe and stable to install. You're good to go on hitting that update button.
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There's no reason to unlock the bootloader if you're not rooting. That's just introducing a security issue. The Oreo update is safe and stable to install. You're good to go on hitting that update button.
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I disagree. On rare occasion, the OTA update can cause issues, and with a locked bootloader you are unable to install an image. Even if I don't root my devices, I still unlock the bootloader just so I can have the option of installing a factory image just in case something goes wrong.
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borxnx said:
I disagree. On rare occasion, the OTA update can cause issues, and with a locked bootloader you are unable to install an image. Even if I don't root my devices, I still unlock the bootloader just so I can have the option of installing a factory image just in case something goes wrong.
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He's right though. Unlocking will lead to security issues and may take away the ability to use important apps. If he prioritizes functionality, then it's best to keep it locked but if he wants to tinker, it'll come with compromises.
Since he just bought it, I don't see why he couldn't just warranty it if an update goes wrong, which is extremely rare. From what I've seen from people with bricked devices, the majority of them were unlocked and tried to update using non-conventional ways.
Bootloaders are locked from factory for a reason, not for inconvenience.
I came across this post on GitHub
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/issues/2534
I wanted to ask if I should continue using root or just relock my phone ?
tanzeel.ahmed1306 said:
I came across this post on GitHub
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/issues/2534
I wanted to ask if I should continue using root or just relock my phone ?
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Unlocking your bootloader and rooting your devices is a choice that you and only you can make. There are always risks when modifying your devices. When you unlock the bootloader on most devices it will void your warranty unless stated otherwise by the manufacturer.
When it comes to root access there is always a chance for things to stop working. That is why it is up to you to do your research and make an informed decision before taking any action.
To some people, including me, an unlockable bootloader and gaining root access over a device is a must. I am paying for it and I want to use my devices how I see fit.
If you are concerned about an issue that may arise because you have an unlocked bootloader and root access I always try to look at it from both sides. Why did I unlock the bootloader? Why did I root? Am I able to do what I intended to do or not?
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tanzeel.ahmed1306 said:
I came across this post on GitHub
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/issues/2534
I wanted to ask if I should continue using root or just relock my phone ?
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I'm kinda in the same boat. While I don't use GPay that often (and I can currently use it through Magisk), occasionally it would be nice for it to work without issue. However, the main reason I root is so that I can manually edit my HOSTS file to block ads.
Like fast69mopar mentioned, it's an individual preference. What do you gain by unlocking the bootloader and rooting?
In my opinion, the OP7T is a fantastic phone right from the get-go. So was the OP6T. Both phones I used for almost a full week before unlocking and rooting.
Got the OP7T a month ago and was faced with the same decision. All phones since Samsung Galaxy I have rooted.
Decided not to root the OP7T. So far couldn't be happier. Maybe missed it once. Everything working without issue is nice.
As for Ads.
Built in Private DNS in Android 10 with dns.adguard.com works pretty damn good.
I'm rooted, using magisk and edxposed with aosip. Definitely no loss of function comparing to stock. I don't use Google pay, but Samsung pay, bank apps, snapchat, everything works. Currently magisk and edxposed could be hidden without any loss of function when it comes to bank or paying apps. I don't use Google pay but safety net passes just fine with my setup
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Unlocking your bootloader and rooting your devices is a choice that you and only you can make. There are always risks when modifying your devices. When you unlock the bootloader on most devices it will void your warranty unless stated otherwise by the manufacturer.
When it comes to root access there is always a chance for things to stop working. That is why it is up to you to do your research and make an informed decision before taking any action.
To some people, including me, an unlockable bootloader and gaining root access over a device is a must. I am paying for it and I want to use my devices how I see fit.
If you are concerned about an issue that may arise because you have an unlocked bootloader and root access I always try to look at it from both sides. Why did I unlock the bootloader? Why did I root? Am I able to do what I intended to do or not?
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Thanks a lot for your response
I actually rooted because I wanted to use substratum themes and enable aux module in gcam. Apart from that no other reason.
So I guess I am not missing out on too much .
I actually unrooted my phone and relocked the bootloader.
But again thanks for the response!
I had unlocked the bootloader and tried a couple of custom ROMs a few months back but decided it isn't worth it because my main hindrance of adblocking is addressed using DNS and any unneeded app can be disabled using adb. On the flip side, I need Widevine L1 for Netflix/Prime and no custom ROM can offer that on the 7T.
Makes more sense to me to stay within the walled garden, especially with the higher risk brought about by rogue Android apps that are now far too prevelent. The mods too are not that much value adding than it was may be when I first started using custom ROMs nearly a decade ago.
Hi I've never wanted to root or custom ROM. I read the instructions and they are pages deep and the issues that come up and are discussed in threads have such confusing back and forth discussions using lingo and abbreviations that make my head spin.
However... Oneplus did their last update on my 5t my fourth oneplus phone... With an already old security update.
Is the only way to not throw away a perfectly working, phone with good Ram and a fairly new battery I paid to have installed just months ago?
If I'm wanting to hold on another year or 2 use the only option custom ROMs that contain security updates?
Is there a way to add security updates without a ROM? Or maybe at least just learn to root and then add just updates or is it only in ROMs?
I could probably happily use my phone as is but worried what effect no security updates really is to my use.
I really tried videos on doing so this myself I'm not comfortable if problems happen. Not very techy.
Any help appreciated
Unfortunately you can no longer get security updates once your device is deemed as old.
Your options will be to get an antivirus app on your phone, install a custom ROM (like LOS or pixel exp), or you can get a new phone.
Since you're new to this stuff I highly recommend you just get a new phone or simply install an antivirus.
Not sure which anti virus is better than which. But I'm confident in Avira, McAfee, and Norton. You may want to purchase their plan though.
Hope I helped.
Thanks alot for the reply. I'll start with an antivirus.
Hello,
I have similar issue, since I would need security patch update to keep running company mails and apps.
I have 2 doubts:
- if I root and install Android 11 custom ROM, security patches will be updated too?
- after this, would I be able to unroot and install company mail apps ( if rooted they will not work) ?
Thanks
Personally I think that your company has put an unfair burden on you to run company mail and apps on your personal phone while expecting you to have an updated phone at the same time. An updated phone should have been "given" to you.
That being said, you can actually flash and run a custom rom without root. Root is optional.
Process is as follows: (you'll need a PC for this)
1. Backup ALL your data
2. Unlock the bootloader
3. Install custom recovery and reboot to recovery
4. Wipe cache & system and format internal memory
5. Copy custom rom & gapps to internal memory
6. Flash custom rom & gapps and reboot system
miloinodense said:
Hello,
I have similar issue, since I would need security patch update to keep running company mails and apps.
I have 2 doubts:
- if I root and install Android 11 custom ROM, security patches will be updated too?
- after this, would I be able to unroot and install company mail apps ( if rooted they will not work) ?
Thanks
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Yes if you install custom ROM you'll have security updates. It doesn't have to be Android 11 and you don't need root to install a custom ROM.
Also make sure to follow a precise guide about it so you don't encounter any issues. Always make a backup even if you're 100% sure you won't need it.
As far as I know mail apps don't check the integrity or do a SafetyNet check, so even if you root or don't it will work fine.
If you mean banking apps then you can install some modules to bypass the check or just completely remove root. Assuming that you rooted the device.
It shows my lack of knowledge never ever did I think you could Flash a ROM without being rooted.
Thanks
I successfully installed custom ROM w/o root.
But regarding company mail apps, I would need to hide bootloader unlocked status.
maybe it's impossible, if someone has a good idea...
miloinodense said:
I successfully installed custom ROM w/o root.
But regarding company mail apps, I would need to hide bootloader unlocked status.
maybe it's impossible, if someone has a good idea...
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My banking apps working fine without root with crdroid 7.3 and flamegapps. Might work for your company mail app too.
Some roms readily hide bootloader status
Thanks for the hint, but these company mails apps are checking security patch date too. Last available for oneplus 5t are September 2020, and no further support from oneplus.
miloinodense said:
Thanks for the hint, but these company mails apps are checking security patch date too. Last available for oneplus 5t are September 2020, and no further support from oneplus.
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Hence that's why the burden should be on the company to provide the "up to date" phone
miloinodense said:
Thanks for the hint, but these company mails apps are checking security patch date too. Last available for oneplus 5t are September 2020, and no further support from oneplus.
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And that's why the burden should be on the company to provide the "up to date" phone
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Thanks for the hint, but these company mails apps are checking security patch date too. Last available for oneplus 5t are September 2020, and no further support from oneplus.
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I think if you change build.prop to some other phone with recent security patches you can bypass this.
XDHx86 said:
I think if you change build.prop to some other phone with recent security patches you can bypass this.
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Today, I was thinking that this could be good way.
Root, change build.prop, and then unroot.
If you have a link for a good tutorial on change bulid.prop would be nice, thanks.
miloinodense said:
Today, I was thinking that this could be good way.
Root, change build.prop, and then unroot.
If you have a link for a good tutorial on change bulid.prop would be nice, thanks.
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Just for update:
I tried to Root a stock ROM, edit build.prop (security patch date), unroot, and then lock bootloader.
But even if it was a stock ROM, OP5T was not booting.
Booloader was stopping boot since it was detecting a non-stock ROM.
Indeed, I had to unbrick OP5T since I was not possible to unlock bootloader.
So, still not solved
miloinodense said:
Just for update:
I tried to Root a stock ROM, edit build.prop (security patch date), unroot, and then lock bootloader.
But even if it was a stock ROM, OP5T was not booting.
Booloader was stopping boot since it was detecting a non-stock ROM.
Indeed, I had to unbrick OP5T since I was not possible to unlock bootloader.
So, still not solved
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Just edit build.prop and use magisk hide module from magisk manager.
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Just edit build.prop and use magisk hide module from magisk manager.
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Edit build.prop w/o root and unlock bootloader is not possible...
Moreover, hiding root will not work with more recent android updates and for sure it will not hide unlock bootloader.
miloinodense said:
Edit build.prop w/o root and unlock bootloader is not possible...
Moreover, hiding root will not work with more recent android updates and for sure it will not hide unlock bootloader.
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Yeah I assumed you would know that you should root first. But seeing you even attempted to lock bootloader after modifying the device, seems I assumed wrong.
Magisk hide is working fine on later android versions like 8+. And for the bootloader it only trips CTS if your bootloader is using hardware backed key - Which is the case with OP5 - as CTS check also has hardware attestation. But it is possible to bypass said check by using SafetyNet Fix module, of course you will also install that from magisk manager.