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Mods, I request an enforced ROM thread template

I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?

Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?

jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..

I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!

+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.

mugetsu666 said:
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

azzledazzle said:
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.

Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us

I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.

rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt

I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous

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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...

yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.

Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific

I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!

broncogr said:
Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?

That's y it was moved less attention.

Where's the development (Beef)?

All I see is a bunch of little kid hobbiests or elitists that never actually interact with the public. Half of these topics have no files because they're not maintained. And the other half blatantly lie to get views. What ever happened to being proud of your work and seeing something through to the end?
And where are the mods in this? While I know XDA allows and even encourages elitism; what about the lying and ill maintained threads? It just makes you look bad. I say, as a community, we need to stand up to this creeping illness and put a stop to it.
Admittedly, there are a couple of good hobbiests that try their best to maintain. I don't fault you guys.

Will you be a little thankful? The threads which have no files are from just 3 accounts belonging to the same person who got banned. These people, even those whom you call 'hobbyists' are spending their time to provide you with stuff which they are not being paid to do they may be learning and their skills will only increase over time. Most of all, this device has outdated hardware and is very difficult to develop for. So if you want more development, buy a One X or a Galaxy S3
Sent from my bowl of jelly!

vbhtt said:
Will you be a little thankful? The threads which have no files are from just 3 accounts belonging to the same person who got banned. These people, even those whom you call 'hobbyists' are spending their time to provide you with stuff which they are not being paid to do they may be learning and their skills will only increase over time. Most of all, this device has outdated hardware and is very difficult to develop for. So if you want more development, buy a One X or a Galaxy S3
Sent from my bowl of jelly!
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OR....I could start a controversial thread in the forum of which I own a phone, challenging the lack of professionalism or decorum that seems to get worse and worse here. YOUR post being a perfect example.
This post was meant to be a challenge but turned into a complaint. For that, I apologize. But the sentiment still stands. We should ask for a little bit more accountability from these people if they want the crown of "developer". Dead links, no support and empty rom threads should be frowned upon. Not defended so blindly as you have.
And the people of whom I speak aren't banned, they post daily. Even einstiens files are mirrored.

GUImess said:
All I see is a bunch of little kid hobbiests or elitists that never actually interact with the public. Half of these topics have no files because they're not maintained. And the other half blatantly lie to get views. What ever happened to being proud of your work and seeing something through to the end?
And where are the mods in this? While I know XDA allows and even encourages elitism; what about the lying and ill maintained threads? It just makes you look bad. I say, as a community, we need to stand up to this creeping illness and put a stop to it.
Admittedly, there are a couple of good hobbiests that try their best to maintain. I don't fault you guys.
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If you do not know.......the wildfire S is a budget phone and the ones usually using them are either newbies or learning developers
If you want some serious development....you should probably get a mid-range or high-end phone...This is the best you'll get on such a device
And as for the mod,I also agree that he doesnt look much into this forum

The whole dev section is full of unfinished and buggy ROMs with little or no maintenance and support... but its an old device development was probably thriving back in its day
Sent from Sony Neo - AOKP 4.1.1 (compiled)

elspanish88 said:
The whole dev section is full of unfinished and buggy ROMs with little or no maintenance and support... Sent from Sony Neo
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I see you got a Sony Neo now. Please leave this section if you don't have anything useful to say. More interesting stuff in the Neo forum for you!!
We can say we got some good roms over here, CM7/9/10, MIUI, some sense ROMs etc. Support and maintenance is given to these ROMs until they are bugfree or there isn't a reason to update. CM9 is finished. It is bugfree and the CM team doesn't update its ICS repo's anymore. CM7 is finished too I find. Sense ROMs don't need support. They should just work flawlessly. And MIUI is up to the latest build it can be.
There are some unfinished ROMs out here. Check their thread and rating and leave it, simple as that.
So what I want to say is, show a little more respect to people who do this for free in their spare time. Most likely, the Wildfire S is our first smartphone and we started learning from zero. If you want something better, join the club and learn a bit more!! Up to today, there are only a handful devs for this device (gladiac, alquez, benjamin, dudeman, einstein, woefelderelict, me, ...).
If you see where we came from a year ago and now. I can say this community has given some great stuff.
I could never imagen that MIUIv4 could run on this phone
What makes it even more special is that this device doesn't have official ICS and powerful hardware.
If I see the One X getting CM10 for example, it's like "whatever, nothing special".

If you want Professionalism then pay and hire a Professional.
Stated by others all the development here is VOLUNTARY and at WILL…Remember all the people on XDA come from different walks of life and have different temperaments. XDA is also sort of a social forum where people of the same interests can self-promote, if you are annoyed about this then just ignore it, move on and if think those is not within the guidelines of the forum then report it. Only the popular device forums get most of the moderators’ attention.
You have to understand Developers are doing all this with their time, effort and own funds. It is at their election to maintain, and release any newer builds, which some do. Try building a ROM yourself and then try pleasing everyone who wants to use/try it, you will find it is not that easy. As for dead links, yes there are many, but that is how the internet of FREE file hosting service is, they will only host a file for limited time then purge the file for newer files.
I am not flaming you, do understand that this is a hobbyist community with people from around the world that help, and share what they have learned. Most posts are of people that have an issue with their device and wanting a fix, and then they disappear after they found an answer to their problem.
I am grateful for ALL the developers who have given their talent, knowledge, time and thoughts to this community no matter how small.
Just my two cents.

Henry_01 said:
I see you got a Sony Neo now. Please leave this section if you don't have anything useful to say. More interesting stuff in the Neo forum for you!!
We can say we got some good roms over here, CM7/9/10, MIUI, some sense ROMs etc. Support and maintenance is given to these ROMs until they are bugfree or there isn't a reason to update. CM9 is finished. It is bugfree and the CM team doesn't update its ICS repo's anymore. CM7 is finished too I find. Sense ROMs don't need support. They should just work flawlessly. And MIUI is up to the latest build it can be.
There are some unfinished ROMs out here. Check their thread and rating and leave it, simple as that.
So what I want to say is, show a little more respect to people who do this for free in their spare time. Most likely, the Wildfire S is our first smartphone and we started learning from zero. If you want something better, join the club and learn a bit more!! Up to today, there are only a handful devs for this device (gladiac, alquez, benjamin, dudeman, einstein, woefelderelict, me, ...).
If you see where we came from a year ago and now. I can say this community has given some great stuff.
I could never imagen that MIUIv4 could run on this phone
What makes it even more special is that this device doesn't have official ICS and powerful hardware.
If I see the One X getting CM10 for example, it's like "whatever, nothing special".
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Only my opinion man... didnt mean to offend any1
Sent from Sony Neo - AOKP 4.1.1 (compiled)

Xda people are so rude. xD No Offence.

I concur.
Please show me a Rom that's posted for the marvelc, and I'll show you a rom that's unusable. And jelly bean?!? Even though there's multiple titles that say we have it. THERE IS NONE. I'm not trying to bag on the skill level. (Even though I did) Mostly it's the maturity, and the lack of responsibility for the work that is done here.
But whatever, I get it. I'm wrong and I'll stop talking.

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I concur.
Please show me a Rom that's posted for the marvelc, and I'll show you a rom that's unusable. And jelly bean?!? Even though there's multiple titles that say we have it. THERE IS NONE. I'm not trying to bag on the skill level. (Even though I did) Mostly it's the maturity, and the lack of responsibility for the work that is done here.
But whatever, I get it. I'm wrong and I'll stop talking.
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here's one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1776912
Wild Child sense nothing left to update and works well on marvelc or get the HenseMod VM patch and flash after you flash most marvel Roms. see lots of development for a year

(DISCONTINUED)Why HOX cookers are allowed to hide HTC sources for the community?

when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
P.P.P.S thanks Laurentius26 thread title changed again!

Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....

Laurentius26 said:
Not a stupid but a good question.
It's because those people can't cook, they need to stay ahead a few steps so they have time to
process the hard work of those other developers in there roms (the people who do share there personal development).
It's pathetic what these cookers do to my opinion, but XDA can't force those people to share.
If you ask those cookers to share, they always have excuses like 'I need to protect my sources' blablabla....
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(One of the reasons why I go with CM as the only custom rom . Btw this is an old case. And its not just about ROM Cookers but also Kernel "Somethingers" source, patch, mod gatherers ? I do not know how to call them.
Lately there are kernels cooked up with ppl gathering other ppl sources(even through other devices the dev never own and never will) without acknowledgement to the real dev. These ppl having the title "recognized developer" with over 10k thanks feel safe doing so as no one dares to oppose them.
And Laurentius, whats worst, the major community of XDA will back them up in hope for a praise from them or acknowledgement, or a new rom kernel.
Or there is another phenomenon happening, when asking for a fix, feature, just suggesting a functionality. You get an answer "if you dont like it, do not use it" before it was "Ah good idea, I might try it out" or at least "I have no time for this, sorry, but maybe someone else can look into it"
So the real problem is not the Cooker, Gatherer , but the sheepish community not seeing whats happening. That he can exploit something is just his own cleverness.

Trust me, it happens in every forum, even my old one
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

I want to step back for a second and remember if we judge each individual with the same set of rules.
And let's not forget that someone else had raised this problem some time ago and now supports the OP.
I think my information is right, please correct me if not.

I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"

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Wilks3y said:
I totally agree, I can understand when some people say I need to protect my sources such as Football and Xmoo, who do a great deal for this community, but still cannot share everything as they do have sources that could be jepordised by releasing things.
But I do agree that ROM Cookers are getting pissy and perhaps lazy or bored with the community and are now doing it for that "Donate" purpose.
Also, whats doing my head in, and what you may not have seen or agree with but people putting "Use Search" in EVERY THREAD that is being made is really doing my head in. If they keep doing that, when people do search they will only find threads with answers saying "Use the Search"
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The selfishness is coming because of fame purposes which names I don't want to mention. But honestly they are annoying, and before I flash certain dev's ROMs even if I get certain leaks I rather live without the leaks and have no source of information instead off all this silly *****ing between two high school girls.
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bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...

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The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?

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EddyOS said:
The issue here is the latest JB Sense OTA. This was meant for internal testing purposes for HTC Elevate members and we all signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement before we were accepted onto the programme. Now, someone (and I don't know who) still felt the need to leak this file, even after signing a LEGAL DOCUMENT stating they wouldn't so you can ***** all you want but, to be honest, the RUUs shouldn't be leaking if they've come from a confidential source...
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OK that I understand but when using the source for your own ROM only, means no leak from confidential source???
And as I said why source for kernels and not for ROM's???

The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.

bippolinno said:
when the rule on XDA is:
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, and HTC is no member, why to hold for only one member the right to post ROM's based on HTC work (RUU, OTA, etc)???
And, when a new RUU of OTA is used for developing a ROM, why have the right to don't share with other developers the source and keep only for himself whatever his name is???
Acceptance of such policy will not help HTC community at all, as already proven and give mods just headache.:crying:
P.S. This question is also for mods, the simply answer is to ...don't answer of close thread of delete it but there are coming many annoying new conflicting rules witch make XDA a private club in stead of Share and Care community!
Thanks Laurentius26, I have change the title of this thread.
P.P.S. Rule : Sources need to be posted for all kernels!!! but why not for ROM's also???
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If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside

fredfb said:
If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
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A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
Sent from my HTC One X

kryptoner said:
A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
Sent from my HTC One X
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yea i agree with you, people should be complaining less =P

uqadwe said:
The current issue is not related to the Elevate leak.
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It might not be, I was just using it as an example

fredfb said:
If you don't like how things are being handled you can always look on your own for sources and share them as you please (or as you can). Or maybe ask HTC for it.
The cook got hold something, let him use it as he pleases. He should have to do anything just because somebody else is *****ing about it.
If the way he handle things is not good enough for you, just ignore him.
Also, android's kernels are linux's so they have to be open source
Not the same with roms, since htc got closed source stuff inside
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U could be right when not on XDA forums but here happens to be a place to share and care an not for private ROM's.
And FYI I have always supported developers cooking ROM's from scratch with respect for other developers work, I am totally against kang-ers, but this thread is for giving all developers same chance and to make XDA community better!

kryptoner said:
A little off topic but I want to mention this one here, cooker/ROM creator baadnews, he was blaming HTC for slow updates a few weeks ago, he was telling why he is going to get s3.. its such a shame that people do not respect the work HTC puts behind sense interface. People like baadnews modify a few things, get reputation on XDA, get some donations and then start blaming htc? The company because of whom you are recognised as a developer in this forum? This is very very unfortunate... at least not expected from a developer like him... anyways...
Sent from my HTC One X
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It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.

I really think this thread should be closed and deleted. It's only full of rant.
And it looks like we aren't even sticking to the subject and we are discussing other situations/developers.
Nevertheless, we are all very ungratefull people. I am really looking forword to see your work, RUU's, leak's etc.

mwilky said:
It's rude to just single out certain people, baad has provided us with lots of good things so don't go have a go at him. If I'm thinking correctly he brought us the first jb sense rom and guide how to flash it.
My personal views is that everyone should share whatever they have/create.
This way people can see how and what is done. The only reason I see for some users not sharing, is like the other user posted, they don't want something they "created" in another ROM as they want all the "attention" to themselves, or they are scared that their ROM will become less popular, which I don't see as a problem, if someone prefers another ROM fine, let them use it.
If everybody was open about everything and shared, the rom/kernel development would be of twice the level it is at currently, it would benefit everyone, roms/kernels would have twice the amount of features.
But we still have those individuals who want to be ahead of everyone else and look "the best".
Just my two cents.
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Its not rude, its a fact. I told what he did, there may be others like him too... I saw him, I pointed out the mistake, nothing against him... main point was to tell people to stop complaining, respect what HTC have given us, one x is a masterpiece
Sent from my HTC One X

PAGOT said:
Eddy your comment doesn't bring anything to the issue at hand. Please read it again. I wouldn't say he is *****ing.
That it shouldn't leak in the first place is not the issue this is about.
Even with what you say it still means, someone took someone else work and is currently "enriching" himself. Breaking laws in process is just an added bonus. And I guess in this case the mods should close those threads with the leaks. Shouldn't they?
Its about, I will share it, but first download "my" work in 2 days you can play with it too.
So there is no such thing as "BUT" or exceptions. No 2 days of not sharing source if you put a rom out based on. In which case these threads have to be stopped immediately after someone refuses to share it. Or heck even before if it breaks some legal documents.
How come you aren't pursuing this with mods to close those threads down?
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1. It's not up to me to get threads closed, I was just stating that that specific OTA should never have seen the light of day
2. The OP isn't exactly clear
If you're on about people holding files until they have their ROM out first then I agree that it's a bit wrong but, at the end of the day, it's there choice

[ROM][UNOFFICIAL][CM12.1][5.1.1][ALPHA][KIWI][2/1/2016 security]

Preface:Lots of great developers have been bringing Cyanogenmod to the Honor 5X, but no one has posted any experimental builds for people to flash. Since I have been able to build CM with the sources other developers have kindly created, I would like to share builds for others to try out on their devices without having to setup an Android build environment.
I would like to clarify a few things:
These builds are UNOFFICIAL and may not be daily driver material.
I just build these ROMs from sources OTHER developers create. See credits below for developer list.
I cannot provide ETAs for the next build, new features, or anything else.
I have only tested these builds on KIW-24, so other variants might not support this ROM.
You are solely responsible for flashing this ROM along with any damage that might result from said flash. See the disclamer.
See post 1 for install instructions and downloads
See post 2 for screenshots and changelogs
Disclaimer: Voided warranties, bricked devices, rogue alarms at 2AM etc. are all your own problem. Neither any developer nor XDA is responsible for any unpleasantness that may result from using this ROM.
Credits:
@deadman96385
@CosmoDroid
@crpalmer
 @InkSlinger420
@EarlyMon
@wimbet
@Chainfire
Cyanogenmod
Google
And anyone else I might have missed. Let me know if I should add someone else to the credits.

To flash this ROM you need to:
Unlock bootloader and install TWRP
Boot into TWRP, perform wipe, and then flash ROM .zip and optional gapps *NOTE* non kiw-24 users see this post for information on flashing.
Reboot, and enjoy CM on the Honor 5X
Unofficial ROM Downloads:
3-10-16 - REMOVED by OP
Optional Gapps Downloads:
http://opengapps.org/ (ARM64, 5.1.1, Full)

Changelog:
3-10-16 - Initial build. (Tested) working features; wifi, BT, (some) data/LTE, normal phone features.
Known bugs:
No rear camera
No fingerprint sensor
No extra kernel features like Tap To Wake
Some cellular/data features may not work. I can't test this so check posts below to see if someone else can confirm.
Screenshots attached.

Del

Zakaria.R said:
Why is it kiw-24 specific ? I read on the other thread that it worked just fine on another variant
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I can only test on kiw-24. Another user has reported being able to flash ROM on kiw-22. If you or someone else can confirm that this will work on other variants, I'll update the OP.

Nothing was posted cause there is still things that need to be fixed...lol.. Bugs in builds suck..

Awesome! 40 days after US release. ( i know its been around these forums for a little while) but having a flash-able file is a big bonus. Any general working or not working info ?

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Nothing was posted cause there is still things that need to be fixed...lol.. Bugs in builds suck..
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I didn't mean to imply that other devs where in anyway at fault for no posted builds. I understand the desire to focus on fixing bugs rather than maintaining builds, but there a lot of people, myself included, that don't mind running buggy builds if we can get a taste of CM.
By the way, do you want me to add you to the credits?

eruji said:
Awesome! 40 days after US release. ( i know its been around these forums for a little while) but having a flash-able file is a big bonus. Any general working or not working info ?
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See post #3/reply #2

Bandit Development said:
I can only test on kiw-24. Another user has reported being able to flash ROM on kiw-22. If you or someone else can confirm that this will work on other variants, I'll update the OP.
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Thanks for replying fast man, actually I don't own the device yet, I was following the development here and thanks to you guys I might consider getting it, you made a big difference hope you keep on with this, your work is much appreciated :victory:

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I didn't mean to imply that other devs where in anyway at fault for no posted builds. I understand the desire to focus on fixing bugs rather than maintaining builds, but there a lot of people, myself included, that don't mind running buggy builds if we can get a taste of CM.
By the way, do you want me to add you to the credits?
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My deal is this... I also have builds of BrokenOs (my rom) for this device but i havent posted any for public use, for one reason...Respect... @crpalmer is doing 95% of the legwork for this device over there at CM and Im sure once hes ready and comfortable with where it is, he will announce builds somewhere for it....I think its both premature, and kinda crappy, to make public someones work before even they think its ready for public use.... My 2 cents... Oh, and i dont care about credit for anything..Im just a rom dev, i get enough for that....

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My deal is this... I also have builds of BrokenOs (my rom) for this device but i havent posted any for public use, for one reason...Respect... @crpalmer is doing 95% of the legwork for this device over there at CM and Im sure once hes ready and comfortable with where it is, he will announce builds somewhere for it....I think its both premature, and kinda crappy, to make public someones work before even they think its ready for public use.... My 2 cents... Oh, and i dont care about credit for anything..Im just a rom dev, i get enough for that....
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Thanks for your input. I certainly do respect @crpalmer along with all the other devs who have worked on this device, and I in no way want to detract from the fame/glory/respect they are due for all their hard work.
@crpalmer or any other dev, if you want me to remove this thread or change it in any way, please let me know. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I was only trying to help others get a early taste of CM so they didn't have to build it themselves.

Appreciate the credit but I just fetch coffee and hound Huawei when necessary for devs doing actual work.
No harm removing me from the credits.

Thnx to all the devs trying real hard to get these awesome roms on our device.... Really appreciated
Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

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Thanks for your input. I certainly do respect @crpalmer along with all the other devs who have worked on this device, and I in no way want to detract from the fame/glory/respect they are due for all their hard work.
@crpalmer or any other dev, if you want me to remove this thread or change it in any way, please let me know. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I was only trying to help others get a early taste of CM so they didn't have to build it themselves.
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Thank you @Bandit Development for the build. While I understand where @InkSlinger420 is coming from I much prefer the state of where @crpalmer has brough CM to over stock. I've been running this for about 4 hours. GPS works great, data and phone work great. Most importantly switching between apps doesn't draaaaaaaag.

Hopefully those responsible for the hard work on this rom will realize this wasn't an attempt to grab the spotlight, but rather a way to placate the masses. Also, needed or not, there is valuable information even in the few early posts because not everyone uses their phones the same way, so one person may never run into a bug that another person sees frequently.
Fingers crossed, but perhaps this thread will also limit the number of posts in the [Dev] thread asking when etc.......... I know I filled it with build questions which probably didn't belong there either. However, I'm trying to learn a little about rom development and one of the first steps to that is to be able to build the rom so you can test your tweaks, or at least see how someone else's changes affect the phone.

Bandit Development said:
I didn't mean to imply that other devs where in anyway at fault for no posted builds. I understand the desire to focus on fixing bugs rather than maintaining builds, but there a lot of people, myself included, that don't mind running buggy builds if we can get a taste of CM.
By the way, do you want me to add you to the credits?
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It would take me approximately 30 seconds to add automatic nightly builds to my autobuild server (I already generate some builds every night).
Consider that and the fact that I haven't done so as an indication of whether or not I thought builds should be posted right now...

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It would take me approximately 30 seconds to add automatic nightly builds to my autobuild server (I already generate some builds every night).
Consider that and the fact that I haven't done so as an indication of whether or not I thought builds should be posted right now...
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Wow, didn't realize you have a server dedicated to building. Because of this, I did not know that you wanted to wait to post builds. Would you like me to ask an admin to remove this thread? I sincerely don't want to mess with your work, plans, or anything else.

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Wow, didn't realize you have a server dedicated to building. Because of this, I did not know that you wanted to wait to post builds. Would you like me to ask an admin to remove this thread? I sincerely don't want to mess with your work, plans, or anything else.
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You don't need to remove the thread, I am just pointing out that I don't think that the build is at a level of quality that represents well the work of CyanogenMod.

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You don't need to remove the thread, I am just pointing out that I don't think that the build is at a level of quality that represents well the work of CyanogenMod.
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Well, I'm happy to let you take over cooking builds if you'd like. I certainly don't claim to be able to make quality builds.
I would really appreciate any tips/info you'd like to share that would improve my builds. I've been trying to learn how to fix bugs and contribute to the ROM development, but the task seems to be a rather undocumented and slow-going.

Looks like we lost a V30 dev (A.I.S. ROM thread closed)

I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....

christoophat said:
I really wanted to try out that ROM, as it seemed to check all my boxes for my soon to arrive V30+. Looks like the thread got closed due to some antics & egos, and the dev pulled all the links to the files.
Hoping it gets sorted out at some point....
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me too
I was waiting for a stable release to my v300s ?

Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.

intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.

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Perhaps, but now.... one less dev for our phones. Saw similar thing in Axon 7 forum, dev ported a bunch of ROMs, get Treble working, then got bored or lack of enough thanks, and split. At least he left the links up.
Ah well...same as it ever was.
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True but that's why treble is great, there's a but load of GSI AOSP roms

From what I've seen so far at least on Axon7, is that most all of the GSIs still have a lot of non-working functions. The advantage of a "modified" stock ROM, is that it uses what was originally written for the device and can utilize all of the features we got the phone for in the first place, DAC, cameras, etc. For me rooted stock, debloated, with a different launcher & maybe some added audio goodies, & I B a happy camper.
But am always watching for custom ROMS that can deliver all the goodies. Fingers crossed. :good:

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Seriously you need to chill down.
Like I already said in one of my previous comments (which you probably asked to be deleted because I was telling the truth) - internet will always be a place for people to hide behind aliases while acting like assholes.
You should have ignored those people or reported them for flaming and offending you, as they are a tiny minority, most of the people actually praised you for your work.
Now ultimately what you do is your choice, but it's kind of a childish thing to do, especially considering the fact that you were also rude towards some people that had no bad intentions.
Once again, I wish you a good luck.

Plus adding less than perfect translation software into the mix can lead to misunderstandings between languages.

There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.

Atrizzain said:
There's always some entitled a holes ruining things for everyone, this man put in countless hours building a ROM that rivals anything I've seen as far as features go... And people act like he owes them a frigging wishlist. It's his creation, for himself, that he was kind enough to share with us all. True it wasn't a perfect creation(as few ROMs are), but it clearly said BETA... You can install a ROM but not read, apparently. It's a shame, we lost a great dev.
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Pretty much

We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.

intruda119 said:
We have different definitions of great dev.
I choose quality over quantity.
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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?

christoophat said:
Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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Exactly. If people didn't like the ROM they could ignore it. Some devs like suggestions, others have a take it or leave it attitude. It's their ROM, so they have that right -- especially when it's not a branded group ROM like Resurrection Remix or something.

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Since it was only the one ROM, huh?
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No. But getting to the point of a stable release helps. Rom was heading in a great direction if he wanted to continue the work. Best feature rich original rom ive seen in quite some time. Last few days of the thread was just asking questions. People were losing wifi, bluetooth and other issues. Someone mentioned volume slider being like 1-300 that pissed him off. Volume slider did nothing between 1-250 though.
This is not entitlement or being a ahole. When a dev decides to throw 1 million new features into a device the dev/creator might lose focus on the devs vision. Unless something was brewing before i entered the thread was nothing a seasoned user of xda/forums couldnt handle.
Rom was inconsistent across the board with parts installed that didnt work. Majority of the features didnt work correctly and we knew this rom was beta. But instead of being up front in the op users like myself didnt know what i was getting into. Nothing mentioned in the op about magisk or xposed not working. That you need to enable 20 apps to stop the annoyong popups all over the place.
Gboard stopped working in cettain apps. Which i woupd have mentioned nicely. Putting things q0 layers deep is sonmething also.
Being upfront would avoid a portion of the questions(atleast the users who read). Workinf smarter vs harder could have avoided some of the bs questions. I believe this rom was one of a kind which brings its own challenges.
Hopefully the dev comes back and shares his work again. Believe in being blunt with folks, enough people lying to us daily.
Conatructive critism. I do appreciate the hard work.

While some on here were harsh, he was a tool himself.

Agree with the above. And again, I feel that language barrier played a part in all this, as I have seen in other threads where non English speaking person reading something in translation that sounds derogatory to him tempers flare & it starts going in the toilet. Awaiting my V30, was searching thru the threads to find which I thought would be what I need. His held some promise, but yeah there were a lot of jumping thru hoops activity to get it installed/working etc per what I was reading thru.There was a dev in the Axon7 section who released like 6 different ROMS, all in the same thread , it became a nightmare just trying to keep track of which ROM was which. I was kind of surprised the mods let it go that way.
Simple & direct is bestest

intruda119 said:
Appreciate the hard work but the rom was very alpha. Everything plus the kitchen sink but needed some work.
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You see, those things make a great dev quit, like just be grateful, the Dev knows those problems and did his best, and all he get was "can you please fix [something] " or people not actually reading the thread properly

It's simple folks. Really. Members who contribute work here don't owe anyone anything. Not updates, fixes, explanations, nothing. This isn't a candy store, and nobody has the right to demand anything from anyone, or criticize anyone for anything. If you don't like someone's work, or it's not up to your standards, then move on to something else, quietly. Or even better, create your own work, anyone can learn. And this site has many resources to help you learn.
On the flip side, people will complain, whine and demand, it can't be avoided. But, we have a report system for anyone over the top or too disrespectful. Or, simply ignore them. Getting upset and lashing out is definitely no way to handle it, and will end up bringing trouble to your door.
This is the internet, without a thick skin, it's a harsh place to be.
Developers do this for free and for fun, and no one has the right to complain about anything. And, if it's not fun anymore, I suggest another hobby. Life's too short to spend time on something that's lost its charm for you.
And so, thread closed. Don't need a thread to debate any of the above. Anyone here could start developing, instead of waiting for others to do it. So let's move on. :good:
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