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I have read some ad for the ultra protectors, some brands are INVISIBLE SHIELD, BODYGUARDZ, SGP PROTECTOR etc
Since i am LG P970 and it is not using the Gorilla Glass. I want a screen protector/ full phone coverage can protect from keys scratches, coin scratches in my bag.
what are the different? I know they all provided lifetime warranty replacement service. But Can I have more brands for comparison and have your comments on these protectors (how hard/strength are they)?
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i have looked the two web and do think that the info are great.As a matter of fact ,i bought two pieces.
I bought a Martin Fields screen protector for my HTC Mozart and am loving it.
Took a while to apply as I wanted it to be perfect and have no bubbles / dust particles under it. It now looks great (like there is no screen protector on).
Also as far as I can tell, it uses static to stick and no glue so you can remove it, put it back. If you need to get your phone swapped out, take it off and put it on the new phone etc.
It was half the price of the invisible shields (well, the prices here in South Africa at least).
i use the invisi-shield. and must say its very resistant to anything i have in my pockets with the phone.
I currently have a Skinomi and I notice it seems to be thinner/more malleable than others I've seen, so I do think there are at least subtle differences between most the brands. Sometimes differences can be major, as I hear about the Zagg and its intentional texture. I saw GhostArmor in the mall last week and although its cut didn't seem nearly as good as Skinomi's, I'm still going to give it a shot because it seemed to have very good transparency.
wongchuncheung said:
I have read some ad for the ultra protectors, some brands are INVISIBLE SHIELD, BODYGUARDZ, SGP PROTECTOR etc
Since i am LG P970 and it is not using the Gorilla Glass. I want a screen protector/ full phone coverage can protect from keys scratches, coin scratches in my bag.
what are the different? I know they all provided lifetime warranty replacement service. But Can I have more brands for comparison and have your comments on these protectors (how hard/strength are they)?
Thanks~~
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What I think is really funny is that everyone is buying this same stuff that 3M makes for protecting cars paint as well as head lights and it would probably be cheaper for one to get this stuff here rather than pay the amount for specially cut out clear film.
http://www.clearmask.com/lightgard.php
+1 INVISIBLE SHIELD It's a durable shield.
im just using the normal 1...haha...it very good also...
nice product i love it
What does everyone here think about Seidio? I'll probably be getting a G-Nexus and want to put something on it right out of the box.
I use a xoskin screen protector. They come with a install kit, spray, squeegee, and instructions. They are smooth and dont have orange peel like others and they dont turn yellow and peel off.
I use it to and good..
+1 to invisible sheild here.. once you get used to the texture it's a very good protector.
what do you think about defy
invisible Shield is great! I have it some time now, and the phone looks just like new
Please pleaase try a steinheil ultra crystal first!
I tried a couple cheapies $3 or so with bad results. They wore down in a couple weeks and didn't look clear.
The sgp or steinheil ultra crystal truly makes the screen look like glass with no protector on! And I am three weeks not a dent or scratch. They are around $14 shipped and well worth it (2 pack)
I have it on my samsung galaxy s2 Epic™ 4g touch and I might prefer the cover to the raw glass
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Since there is only a thread for the Nillkin cases and tempered glass I thought it would be nice to have some thread for the accessories in general.
Until this day I tried 3 cases, two screen protectors (films) and two tempered glass protectors.
Case No. 1 ) Slim, silicone case http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transparent-Clear-Silicone-Slim-Gel-Case-For-Huawei-Honor-9/112446352466?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 - Very slim and light case made from nice silicone BUT the protection when dropped would be none. It's not made 100% precisely and since it's silicone it doesn't look any good on the back where it creates bubbles. I've ordered this as the first case to have at least some protection. Nice thing is they include free screen protector but the quality isn't very good - doesn't cover the whole display (I'm not talking about edge-to-edge) and there are 2mm gaps on each side and when the display is on it looks terrible. 2/5
Case No. 2) Nillkin Super Frosted http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-HUAWEI-Honor-9-NILLKIN-Super-Frosted-Shield-Hard-Plastic-Back-Covers-Cases-/152596952252?var=&hash=item23877cb4bc:m:mtNLCAV-KRHaAK2TUOYLPTg - very nice case, really sturdy BUT I have few complaints - it's kinda slippery on the sides but this will go away after some use maybe and the bottom side around jack, charging port and speaker is a bit sharp and if you're holding the phone with the little finger on the bottom it't not really comfortable. Besides that it's really nice case for the price but I expected a bit more. But once again for the price it's more than OK. 4/5
Case No. 3) TPU Shockproof case with "carbon" http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luxury-Carbon-Fiber-Slim-Shockproof-Soft-TPU-Back-Case-For-Huawei-Honor-9-Magic/112325496837?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=412748326145&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 - as you can imagine, there is absolutely no carbon at all, just some kind of "sticker" or what it is. Nevermind, this case is the best of the three. Really nice case made from TPU, sturdy, should have the best drop protection and fits just perfectly. There is a small "rim" around the screen that should protect the screen from scratches when the phone is "face down". 5/5
Screen protector (film) No. 1) Nillkin Super Clear Protective Film - in terms of size the best screen protector I've had. Obviously it's not edge-to-edge but it does cover the whole display with gaps on the edges BUT the display is fully protected so thumbs up for me. In terms of "anti-fingerprint" it's nowhere close to the display or the back but is much better than some noname protector I've got with TPU case. Overall very nice screen protector for free but I'm still waiting for the Nillkin H+ tempered glass and some noname edge-to-edge tempered glass. 4/5
Tempered glass No. 1) Edge-to-edge blue 2.5D tempered glass http://www.ebay.com/itm/9H-2-5D-Full-Cover-Real-Tempered-Glass-Screen-Protective-Film-For-Huawei-honor-9/152593109357?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=452016649496&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 - really nice tempered glass (2 pcs) for the price. It has the adhesive only on the top, bottom and the sides but the application was very easy and the glass holds on even with any of tested cases. It has some "dots" in the screen area so I got no rainbow effect whatsoever. The blue color is a bit different from the original color od the phone but it's not a problem since you have your phone in a case. Overall for the price pretty good. 4/5
Tempered glass No. 2) Normal tempered glass Caliber (bought in CZE) - not edge-to-edge, doesn't cover the whole screen, gaps on the sides. Overall sh*t. 1/5
Still waiting for the Nillkin H+ tempered glass.
Nilkin Amazing H+ Pro is No Go
Got the 0.2mm H+ Pro. It's cover the display area for like 99%, with-out just about 0.5mm on each side, after all still the best.
BUT. The silicon layer doesn't hold the tempered glass on both sides, looks like the phone display curve started a bit earlier than its needed for the protector.
It doesn't stick to the display, making it looks like ****, with 3mm frame from each side. Top/bottom sides stick OK, all the way to edges.
So Nilkin Amazing H+ Pro is No Go for me.
Well, got it yesterday so I'm still waiting to try it but not sure if wan't to :laugh:
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sooooo, I bought these from tvc mall. They were so cheap that I bought three different ones with the intent of disposing of whichever were poor. Thing is, they are all good in their own way. The plain bumper is just very slimline. The rugged looking one is cool as it has a stand in landscape mode, and the wallet is exceptional quality, given the price. All three fit perfectly, but the plain bumper makes the power and volume buttons so much more tactile. The rugged one looks really cheap in silver, perhaps black would have been a good choice. As i wasn't expecting much from the wallet one, I also oredered the nilkin wallet but that hasn't arrived yet.
https://www.tvc-mall.com/details/dr...r-9-auspicious-dragon-black-sku10174840d.html
https://www.tvc-mall.com/details/fo...casing-with-kickstand-black-sku10174919a.html
https://www.tvc-mall.com/details/ma...ot-for-huawei-honor-9-black-sku10175044a.html
https://www.tvc-mall.com/details/ni...se-for-huawei-honor-9-black-sku10174916a.html
I have also ordered the ultimate sheild screen protector, which is edge to edge, in black as I think it will make an excellent contrast to the silver rear of the handset....which wont be visible when the (absolutely necessary) bumper is fitted!
Ultimate sheild screen protector
.... And the ultimate sheild protector turned up. It is excellent. A word of caution, unless this is fitted absolutely perfectly, it will render one or both of the capacitance keys inoperable. This happened to me as i fitted the sheild a fraction of a millimetre to the right. I carefully removed and replaced it with more accuracy.
Here is a pic of the black sheild fitted to my silver H9, and a photo of the plain bumper fitted from my previous post. Svelt but rugged!
After a couple of hours of use I can say that there has been no loss of sensitivity on the screen or capacitive buttons, but on darker details and the blacks, it does look like the screen is behind a sheet of glass. You will know what i mean if you have used a screen protector which bonds over its entirety, whereas this one has a mild adhesive at the top and bottom of the protector, where the bezels are. A small price to pay i think to protect my new device. It is mostly noticeable in bright light, not so much in low light. And I love the new black look of the bezels with the silver fingerprint sensor still visible.
Right, so, some more hours on....the ultimate sheild has begun to show its flaws. Towards the middle of the screen there is now what i can only describe as a "woodgrain" effect. This could be caused by tiny amounts of moisture getting between the screen and protector, which I guess there is nothing to stop that happening. They offered a refund for dissatisfaction so I guess I will be chasing that up. Pfffft. So disappointed.....
Is there a smart cover for it ?!
Just bought the TPU Shockproof case and it is amazing! It's a very good quality and it doesn't makes the phone feel like a toy.
I really like it and definitely recommend it!
NotoriousNick said:
Just bought the TPU Shockproof case and it is amazing! It's a very good quality and it doesn't makes the phone feel like a toy.
I really like it and definitely recommend it!
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Can you upload a photo of the phone with the case applied?! That would be awesome
The nilkin "sparkle series" wallet turned up. Its awful. Unlike the cheap wallet I purchased, which remains closed under magnetism, the nilkin just falls open and feels poorer quality.
The Ipaky bumper with the clear perspex back is, however, very nice. The only caveat, it sits flush with the screen so offers no protection if you decide to place your device screen down.
I'm waiting for the smart cover case, if it didn't come fast, I'll go with a skin.
I have bought an honor 9 few days ago. Somebody could suggest me a screen protector that cover whole display? With 3D display is so difficult find a good screen protector....
danygold95 said:
I have bought an honor 9 few days ago. Somebody could suggest me a screen protector that cover whole display? With 3D display is so difficult find a good screen protector....
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Here you go
https://www.ultimateshield.co.uk/collections/honor-9
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Here you go
https://www.ultimateshield.co.uk/collections/honor-9
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Thanks.
I don't like this type of tempered glass (i know that is the only solution for cover 3d display without space).
So, someone has tested "invisible film screen protector"?
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I don't like this type of tempered glass (i know that is the only solution for cover 3d display without space).
So, someone has tested "invisible film screen protector"?
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I didn't test, I will try it once I get my honor 9
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I didn't test, I will try it once I get my honor 9
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If someone else has tried this protective film, please give us a feedback.
Did someone try the Mofi screen protector? According to a review on Aliexpress it has minimal space at both sides.
I've seen ones from ultimate shield, I'm considering getting one.
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I've seen ones from ultimate shield, I'm considering getting one.
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Good luck with that. Did you read my earlier post? As the protector does not actually sit on the screen, due to the adhesive around the edges, it is susceptible to the "rainbow effect" which i think is caused by humidity between screen and protector. It seemed to manifest itself after the phone had been in my pocket and warmed up. I don't have an overly sweaty crotch.....
Anyhow, they apologised and promptly sent a replacement and the same happened again.
By all means give it a go and they will refund you without issue.
Okay. Here it is. We can start the debate soon about which screen protectors actually work on this phone without Halo and bubble issues. It is always an issue with these curved glass screens but there are always 1 or 2 screen protectors that people can get to actually work. Please post which ones you have purchased and how well they worked.
Posting without pictures is not helpful to anyone.
Ordered the ones through Amazon from Mr. Shields and the case/protector from HanhuaTech. The Mr. Shields order gave me 3 and all 3 were nothing but bubbles. Never used their stuff before and highly disappointed. The latter was a nice case, but the screen protector has a black ring around the edges and is impossible to line-up so it doesn't cover the edges of the display area. No bubbles though. Just cut off part of my screen. Still looking. The Otterbox Defender does not include a screen protector.
I tried those Mr shield protectors with my v30 and they were garbage.
The supershieldz worked well with my v30 but the v40 version has that stupid black border which means it only has adhesive at the edges and will have the rainbow effect
Guess we're all screwed for a bit. For what this thing costs, I refuse not to have the tempered glass protector, but they all have the black ring or bubbles. Early adopter blues I guess.
Curved screens, like the V40 (and pretty much every flagship phone) have tend to have poor tempered glass adhesion, in my experience. It seems they all utilize only adhesive along the outer edge, leading them to come unstuck extremely quickly and easily. All of the reviewed models on Amazon, likewise, have this problem. Hopefully a good one will come out for this phone at some point reasonably soon.
I know that T-Mobile tried to sell me an overpriced one when I purchased my phone, though I'm not certain they had any in stock yet. If no models come out that stay stuck pretty well, I will take purchase one of theirs, as they will replace it every time I come in the store.
Be patient and wait for IQ Shield LiQuidSkin, best on the market for curved screens. Available mid Nov.
I quite enjoy the bodyguardz one I got. It's aluminosilicate like gorilla glass and does have the black border, however I've seen 0 rainbowing. Also comes with lifetime replacements which I will probably thoroughly abuse.
I just ordered a set right from their website. It didn't list that it wasn't in stock and ready to ship, so we'll see!
Don't rush! The earlier you get it, the bigger the risk it's not properly tested yet (especially when it comes to curved screens). This early after release, you're the guinea pig...
While I'm waiting for "IQ Shield LiQuidSkin" I ordered "PULEN Screen Protector"... I'll keep you updated!
I ordered the Poetic tempered glass screen protector. Works like a charm. 3 Days and still sticking no problem. No halo, rainbow effect, etc. Absolutely loving it. Fit is amazing and the feel is as good as the original glass, if not slicker. I'm using it with a Ringke Fusion-X case and they work perfectly together. The screen protector is case friendly and the gap between the glass and case is very minimal.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HNNBJLC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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While I'm waiting for "IQ Shield LiQuidSkin" I ordered "PULEN Screen Protector"... I'll keep you updated!
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I know PULEN hasn't got very good reviews, but for now, while waiting for LiQuidSkin, it's all good, fits almost perfect. Nothing I recommend though. The black frame covers a faction of the visibility of the screen (left and right side)
But totally OK. Let's see if it falls off before I get my LiQuidSkin?
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I ordered the Poetic tempered glass screen protector. Works like a charm. 3 Days and still sticking no problem. No halo, rainbow effect, etc. Absolutely loving it. Fit is amazing and the feel is as good as the original glass, if not slicker. I'm using it with a Ringke Fusion-X case and they work perfectly together. The screen protector is case friendly and the gap between the glass and case is very minimal.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HNNBJLC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I was just looking at the poetic glass on Amazon and can't seem to find a good enough review that specifies it the tempered glass fully seals to the device or only seals around the edges of the glass?
Just heard from Whitestone email support that they do not currently plan on producing Dome Glass for the V40... real shame. Maybe some other V40 owners can chime in to pique their interest?
I was also just looking at the Poetic before I came over here, and also wonder if it is in fact full-adhesive. Anyone?
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Just heard from Whitestone email support that they do not currently plan on producing Dome Glass for the V40... real shame. Maybe some other V40 owners can chime in to pique their interest?
I was also just looking at the Poetic before I came over here, and also wonder if it is in fact full-adhesive. Anyone?
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I've been looking at that but but I'm in high doubts it's full adhesive
I just installed the Poetic tempered glass from Amazon and it has a massive rainbow effect. There clearly isn't any adhesive in the middle. Until someone makes a decent one it will have to do.
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I just installed the Poetic tempered glass from Amazon and it has a massive rainbow effect. There clearly isn't any adhesive in the middle. Until someone makes a decent one it will have to do.
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Dang, it seems so difficult to find good tempered glass screen protectors. Poetic seemed promising but glad you confirmed it is not full adhesive, since so many brands don't specify.
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I know PULEN hasn't got very good reviews, but for now, while waiting for LiQuidSkin, it's all good, fits almost perfect. Nothing I recommend though. The black frame covers a faction of the visibility of the screen (left and right side)
But totally OK. Let's see if it falls off before I get my LiQuidSkin?
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Amid medium level reviews on Amazon, I have to say I'm surprised this pulen sp is working so well. Some kind of drier than normal glue, covers the whole sp, and if you place it perfectly, it's actually a very nice sp. The black frame slightly covers (1/10 of a mm) of left and right sides, but it really doesn't take away anything, not even the screen off blue notification around the frame. I'm not sure about the physical strength though. I'm a very careful person, never really drop my phone. No rainbow! No dust stuck around the borders. Right now I'm not sure I will order the liQuidSkin? I'm happy with this one
Folks, whitestone dome for LG V40 available for sale @ Amazon :
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JQT17Q4/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_gAR5BbVS4BYDV
I'm using Key liquid glass screen protector. I can't stand the film protectors so decided to use this. It's a wipe on application, scratch resistant, 9H superior hardness rating, water proof and anti bacterial. Just clean the screen with the included cleaning wipe than apply the liquid screen protector via the included wipe. Let sit for about 5 minutes and you're set.
I bought an Edge to Edge tempered glass from good mobile accessory shop and got it fitted in my Mi10 by a professional technician there itself.After a week or so there developed one or two air bubbles in the screen and they began to grow big covering half of my screen.So I approached the shop again and they repalaced the glass with a new one.After about 2 weeks there began to develop air bubbles again and they growing in size gradually.My had not dropped anywhere from me or others.So what is the reason for this?If I replace the tempered glass with a Screen Protector film,can the developing of air bubbles be completely prevented?Aso will this actually protect the phone screen glass from breaking in the event of a fall?Can anyone suggest a good quality Tempered glass and good quality Scree Protector Film?
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I bought an Edge to Edge tempered glass from good mobile accessory shop and got it fitted in my Mi10 by a professional technician there itself.After a week or so there developed one or two air bubbles in the screen and they began to grow big covering half of my screen.So I approached the shop again and they repalaced the glass with a new one.After about 2 weeks there began to develop air bubbles again and they growing in size gradually.My had not dropped anywhere from me or others.So what is the reason for this?If I replace the tempered glass with a Screen Protector film,can the developing of air bubbles be completely prevented?Aso will this actually protect the phone screen glass from breaking in the event of a fall?Can anyone suggest a good quality Tempered glass and good quality Scree Protector Film?
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It will offer some protection but if the phone lands a certain way the screen is going to crack regardless of what you've got on.
I just used a basic film one but the fingerprint is a bit crap. Glass ones never fitted right.
Hey you can try using Siege Glastimate+ for Galaxy S20+. It's a UV glue tempered glass. Price is quite high but it is really case friendly tbh bc im using the glass with my Ringke Fusion-X casing with no problem. And also the tempered glass has no touch issues whatsoever bc it is a UV glue not like normal tempered glass with edge only glue. And for the back panel I'm using a cheap carbon fibre sticker to avoid scratches haha
I bought the one from *******.. to much of my surprise it actually is quite good.
Installation was easy with an included guide/holder. The film has 2 parts that lets you apply the top half first then the bottom.
It's super thin, like what you'd see from the factory. The TPU film is also really smooth.
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https://www.amazon.com/*******-Protector-Display-Fingerprint-Support/dp/B085DB4T83
Not sure why it's putting *** in place of the brand name
Did you test Spigen? The one applied from default is really poor, it is scratched very easily
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I bought the one from *******.. to much of my surprise it actually is quite good.
Installation was easy with an included guide/holder. The film has 2 parts that lets you apply the top half first then the bottom.
It's super thin, like what you'd see from the factory. The TPU film is also really smooth.
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https://www.amazon.com/*******-Protector-Display-Fingerprint-Support/dp/B085DB4T83
Not sure why it's putting *** in place of the brand name
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Did any of you found a good screen protector that is case friendly? I want to use it with a Spigen case. Thanks!
Are there any issues with having a screen protector on this curved screen? Are they harder to put on? Do they tend to come off? I'm trying to decide between getting the Pro or the regular version. I know in the past there were issues with curved screens. In addition to what's mentioned above, the screen protectors for curved screens didn't provide complete coverage. TIA
If your happy with none tempered glass then curved isn't a problem. I've still got the one that came with my devices and have no issues with keeping it on for as long as possible
There some nice uv light glue +tempered glass on aliexp, i'm waiting for mine, i had curved displays before and it's the best you can get, the glue is really there to be on all the surface nad even on the curves, i'm tempted to install some s20+ protector on my 9pro because it's the same size nad curves, till the ones i'm waiting for arrives
It's ok, but my devices prefer naked...
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There some nice uv light glue +tempered glass on aliexp, i'm waiting for mine, i had curved displays before and it's the best you can get, the glue is really there to be on all the surface nad even on the curves, i'm tempted to install some s20+ protector on my 9pro because it's the same size nad curves, till the ones i'm waiting for arrives
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I've ordered a couple too.
I bought the Spigen NeoFlex from Amazon, they are a TPU protector and they are useless, too flexible to apply easily and also the edges do not stay stuck down to the curve so would pick up dirt and come off easily. I sent back for a refund as not fit for purpose in my view.
I bought the Zagg InvisibleShield GlassFusion+ for my Pro and the normal tempered glass by Zagg for my 9. Both with the eye comfort, micropel bs. The GlassFusion+ is the old school "rubbery" type screen protectors. It definitely feels like glass, but isn't glass. It goes somewhat to the edges of the glass. Maybe stops ⅛" from the actual end of the curve. Bubbles like crazy by the curves. Keep having to smooth them out but they keep showing up. Not sure if it's cause of the screen protector or not. Went to register them with Zagg and had to talk to customer care and it escalated to a supervisor because apparently they're not even in their system yet. Go figure lol
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There some nice uv light glue +tempered glass on aliexp, i'm waiting for mine, i had curved displays before and it's the best you can get, the glue is really there to be on all the surface nad even on the curves, i'm tempted to install some s20+ protector on my 9pro because it's the same size nad curves, till the ones i'm waiting for arrives
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Link?
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If your happy with none tempered glass then curved isn't a problem. I've still got the one that came with my devices and have no issues with keeping it on for as long as possible
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Are you saying that the phone comes with a tempered glass screen protector and there are no issues with it?
It sounds like for the curved screen the tempered glass is better and for the flat screen you can use TPU. Is that the consensus?
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mP1hlMF
i still cant recommand it yet because didn't receive it, but what i do recommand is a screen protector that come with the glue and uv light, because the glue will be at all the surface, hardens fast, no bubles, and it does not come loose easily
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It sounds like for the curved screen the tempered glass is better and for the flat screen you can use TPU. Is that the consensus?
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I've not recieved my glass ones, and I'd certainly go with a LOCA/UV glue version as those that are out on Amazon look to not be full glue coverage, some even just have the top,sides and finger print scanner and they look awful.
I can safely say though that I feel a TPU one would be false economy as not only do they offer very little in the way of drop protection, the one I tried didn't fit well at all.
On my 8 pro , I've used a few UV type glued protectors with no issues at all with Whitestone Dome being my favorite for a genuine feel and solid protection. I emailed them and they said later this month for the 9 pro. If you go this route justake sure to put the sticker over your ear piece when applying the glue.
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On my 8 pro , I've used a few UV type glued protectors with no issues at all with Whitestone Dome being my favorite for a genuine feel and solid protection. I emailed them and they said later this month for the 9 pro. If you go this route justake sure to put the sticker over your ear piece when applying the glue.
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Whitestone Dome was the best I had on previous phones. Thanks for the info on time frame. My factory-installed film protector just started to lift on one edge yesterday so I'm ready to buy a replacement, but I'll probably wait and get one of those.