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Hi guys, the Zenfone 3 deluxe supports qualcom quick charge 3.0 however it seems to be locked to the oem charger. Any other licenced qc 3.0 charger does not quick charge the phone. How hard would it be to get around this? Mainly for qc 3.0 powerbanks.
Huffy1 said:
Hi guys, the Zenfone 3 deluxe supports qualcom quick charge 3.0 however it seems to be locked to the oem charger. Any other licenced qc 3.0 charger does not quick charge the phone. How hard would it be to get around this? Mainly for qc 3.0 powerbanks.
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This is not true. I am using this one - https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01EH11AS8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and the quick charge 3.0 works fine. I am still using the original type-c cable that came with the phone though.
Note: Make sure that you have plugged in the USB end of the charger correctly, push it all the way in. If it's only pushed in partially, then you may not be getting the full power for Quick Charge. You can verify this by using a tool like AIDA64 from the playstore and checking the "Charge Rate" under battery.
This is where I was told it's not supported.
wap.ithome.com/html/262150.htm
Does it say Fast charging on the lock screen?
Huffy1 said:
This is where I was told it's not supported.
wap.ithome.com/html/262150.htm
Does it say Fast charging on the lock screen?
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Update: Sorry guys, I realized that the OEM charger is indeed much faster at charging. Read posts below.
postimg.org/image/6wis1rux1/ - using licenced qc3.0 charger
postimg.org/image/ndr13s0pv/ - using oem charger.
Further test screen off
15min charge with licenced qc3.0 gives 13%
15min charge with oem charger gives 27%
Same test with screen on (playing video)
15mins with either charger yields about 15%, no noticible difference. Seems like the oem charger throttles when screen is on.
All tests are run when the battery is below 20%.
Same oem cable used for all tests.
Using the oem charger to fully charge my phone does it nearly twice as fast as the qc3.0 charger.
Don't know how your able to achieve the same speed regardless of charger
Hi guys, I've been experiencing the same problem with original charger, that's very big and it's seems that didn't have quick charge. I've a samsung charger and with samsung charger it wroks fine. I'll try to well plug thw original , but, it's thinner samssung's one.
Huffy1 said:
postimg.org/image/6wis1rux1/ - using licenced qc3.0 charger
postimg.org/image/ndr13s0pv/ - using oem charger.
Further test screen off
15min charge with licenced qc3.0 gives 13%
15min charge with oem charger gives 27%
Same test with screen on (playing video)
15mins with either charger yields about 15%, no noticible difference. Seems like the oem charger throttles when screen is on.
All tests are run when the battery is below 20%.
Same oem cable used for all tests.
Using the oem charger to fully charge my phone does it nearly twice as fast as the qc3.0 charger.
Don't know how your able to achieve the same speed regardless of charger
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Interesting ... I stand corrected now regarding the "Fast Charging" on the lock screen.
I never used the original charger because I bought mine directly from Taiwan which has an US plug which I cannot use here in Germany directly without an extension.
I tried the OEM charger now with an adapter and yes you are right, the Charge Rate with the OEM charger is 2 times faster than with other chargrers.
OEM charger - 2900ma charge rate
Other charger - 1300ma charge rate
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Actually now I'm confused. When I plugged in the OEM charger, it said "Fast Charging" for a short while and then it says "Charging". The Charge rate also came down from 3000ma to 1300ma and down to 800ma when the battery is at 90%.
I will do some proper tests with the different chargers and post back.
Confirmed: OEM charger is much faster than other QC 3.0 chargers
When the phone reaches 70-80%, the charging rate will slow down and just trickle charge. This is normal as it can be dangerous to keep charging at Fast speeds when the battery is close to full capacity. So if your phone has 80% and you put it on charge, it will not Fast charge regardless of the charger you use.
Huffy1 said:
When the phone reaches 70-80%, the charging rate will slow down and just trickle charge. This is normal as it can be dangerous to keep charging at Fast speeds when the battery is close to full capacity. So if your phone has 80% and you put it on charge, it will not Fast charge regardless of the charger you use.
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Thanks for the information
I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?
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I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?
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Unfortunately, even though the charger referenced above has the same outputs it doesn't fast charge. Seems you can only fast charge with the included charger. At least we can use our own charging cable. If anyone gets another charger to fast charge the device let us know. It doesn't appear Asus sells the included charger on it's webpage yet.
Not allowing the standard quickcharge charger to work forces people to once again purchase / replace current QC chargers.
One tick to the CONs side of the evaluation.
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Not allowing the standard quickcharge charger to work forces people to once again purchase / replace current QC chargers.
One tick to the CONs side of the evaluation.
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At this moment, I don't really think it's a CON side...
The quality of all those QC2.x/3.x charger are not even today (may get better in future, however I really doubt those cheap, knock-off charger from China). Some are good, some are outright bad. QC is quite sensitive with the voltage/current delivered by the charger (it's by design of QC, I believe) and not optimum voltage/current will shorten the battery life at best, create danger at worst scenario.
LiPo battery is really not designed to be charged in high speed. The associated temperature issues needs to be check very carefully and charge current needs to be controlled strictly to avoid dangerous thermal runaway. It cannot only be done by phone itself and need co-work from adaptor (switching voltage, for instance.) Thus an adaptor which have good communication with phone is a safety requirement as far as QC is concerned.
Same with me. I bought a wall charger aukey PA-16 and a car charger Aukey CC-T8. Using the ampere APP, The original zenfone charger gets 2800 mAh. And the aukey chargers up to 1300 mAh.
K6 charger also does not enable Quick Charge function on 570KL
Input type: 100-240V 50-60Hz 0.5A - Quick charge 3.0 output: 3.6V-6.5V-3A/6.5V-9V-2A/9V-12V-1.5A - Power: 18W
I am wondering if someone achieved any solution to remove OEM charger lock to use fast charge with third party Qualcomm Certified Chargers/Power Banks?
Sorry to resume this thread but i lost my oem charger and id like to get one that works with the zenfone 3 deluxe and quickcharge. Can anyone post a link where i can buy it or maybe the model number of the charger? The EU version would be nice.
Thanks
Any solution to the original question?
pacattack81 said:
I can also confirm fast charging doesn't work with my QC 2.0 charger. Interesting thing to note is it outputs 5V - 2A and 9V -2A. My guess is this charger from Asus that fast charges the Zenfone 2 would work on our phones because it has the same outputs if you read the description. It's worth a shot and you could always return it to Amazon if it doesn't work.
http://store.asus.com/us/item/20150...nFone+2+&+T100CHI+18W+Power+Adapter+and+Cable
Also sold at Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Charger-Zenfone2-T100CHI-Retail-packaging/dp/B00XR0FBYK
It would be nice to remove the red light when the phone is charging. Maybe it's something that can only be removed after rooting?
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ASUS locked the fast charge function to the OEM QC 2.0 charger that comes with the phone (it will NOT work even with other ASUS QC 2.0 - or 3.0 - chargers, only with the specific type/"model" that came with the phone). Therefore we don't get QC3.0 - as advertised - at all. The QC3.0 compatibility with 3rd party chargers, powerbanks and car chargers was disabled with one of the updates, I think it was the Android 7.0 Update (that replaced Android 6.0) that removed QC3 compatibility. So... any ideas how to re-enable the QC 3.0 functionality?
Quick charge was disabled for other chargers from day one. I'm still on marshmallow (Android 6.0) and only the charger that came with the phone works with quick charge.
Hi everyone!
I have a car charger for my old phone, the OnePlus 3. But yesterday my Samsung Galaxy s8+ arrived and is now my daily driver .
My question is : Does a official OnePlus car charger (with dash charge) works for my Samsung Galaxy s8+? If so, does it damage the battery?
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Pieter
I have tried mine with the old OnePlus dash charger and though it works, the charge speed is crazy slow. The phone was reporting that from about 40% it would take 5 hours to finish the charge.
Am guessing there is something propitiatory in the dash charger that is causing this. I dont use it on the S8 anymore, incase its damaging the battery somehow.
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Does a official OnePlus car charger (with dash charge) works for my Samsung Galaxy s8+? If so, does it damage the battery?
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It won't damage the battery, but it also won't do fast charging as the Dash charging is proprietary and doesn't support Qualcomm's (also proprietary but much more widely used) Quick Charge 2 (or higher; QC is backwards compatible) that the S8/S8+ uses.
According to the car Dash Charger specs the standard (non-Dash) charge supports up to 5V at 2A, which is 10W. Compare this to the official Samsung charger's 9V at 1.67A (QC2), so provides 15W.
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from about 40% it would take 5 hours to finish the charge.
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In theory then it should be able to charge the S8+ at two-thirds of the speed of the official charger, however it is possible there are other incompatibilities that slows it down - ie. the Dash charger won't provide the full 10W for some reason. A possibility might be the Dash charger cable, as from what I understand this is a bit different to a normal cable to support the Dash charging technology. Maybe try a high-quality standard USB and see if it charges any faster?
An aside: The S8/S8+ is the fact it can also fast charge over (the non-proprietary) USB Type C with 5V at 3A (also 15W). This isn't USB Power Delivery (USB-PD), just the 15W allowed by USB Type C, and since that can provide the full 15W the phone can use over QC2 there's no actual need for USB-PD - but most charges that support 5V at 3A are labelled as providing USB-PD and will work with the phone even if the phone don't use the 'PD' part of the spec.
from gsmarena:
We initially thought that the Rapid charging tech used by Lenovo must be Quick Charge 3.0 since the P2 uses a Qualcomm chipset. However, our third-party QC3.0 charger didn't charge the P2 particularly fast, so the jury is still out on whether Lenovo is using a proprietary charging technology.
so... my car charger and my power bank, BOTH qc 3.0 are useless with this phone??
Our charger is a basic 12V 2A charger, giving a total of 24W Power. I don't see anything special in the charger. It's probably not the usual QC we had heard of. I have seen in some reviews though about this charging technology being different and very interesting.
A problem would be: what charger for the car???
i have the phone and i can confirm it only uses the QC feature with the included CHARGER
no way to use any qc 2/3.0 charger....mmhhh bad decision lenovo!
realista87 said:
i have the phone and i can confirm it only uses the QC feature with the included CHARGER
no way to use any qc 2/3.0 charger....mmhhh bad decision lenovo!
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I don't see your point. This charger outperforms any other chargers in the market even turbo and dash chargers.
Why do you ppl always end up blaming others.
because i am against the proprietary charging algorithms..... dash charge is great? NOPE.... it forces you to use a special cable, a special charger, no 3rd part suppliers... high price of chargers, is it a good move for the customer?
same thing for this lenovo charging solution, ok the fastest one, but if i lose che official charger i am stucked with the NORMAL 5v 2a solution....
this is not a great thing imho, and all power banks i have qith 7/9/12v qc features are USELESS with the lenovo p2......
You're thinking only voltage my friend, check if your power bank can supply 2A at 12V. Probably no. Mostly all power banks bottlenecks at 1.5A.
So, there isn't a way to use another charger for fast charging?
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You're thinking only voltage my friend, check if your power bank can supply 2A at 12V. Probably no. Mostly all power banks bottlenecks at 1.5A.
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my xiaomi power bank 2 20000mah does have qc3.0 and it's tested to arrive higher than 2A at 12v ... but even if other chargers are "only" capable to reach 12v at 1,5A ... it is still a missed quick charge because p2 uses proprietary charge coding
ok this is not THEp roblem, but just a con. like for dash charge people repeat at eveyone that oneplus is the fastes... but hey without an available dach charge power bank... that phone is s "joke"
I have another QC3.0 wall charger, when i plug to P2 it's out put at 2A only not fast charge.
But when i plug original charger from P2 to another phone fsst charge status is become.
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How many times will you open new topic for the same problem ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-p2/accessories/replacement-charger-party-charger-t3662211
I know the phone hasn't hit the streets yet, HOWEVER, does anyone know of any cheap 45W chargers that will be compatible with the Note 10+?? I know probably any 45W charger would do, but are any better than the others?
The is the one I was looking at...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071911MG5/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B071911MG5&pd_rd_w=MVY9A&pf_rd_p=8dbd62ec-d8d3-48e5-b85d-16f701719d81&pd_rd_wg=iEfBW&pf_rd_r=S5BV307RMXWYY7Y4JVYK&pd_rd_r=1b671bb1-6734-47bb-aa06-9d2159dac970
Saw this recommended on AP
https://www.amazon.com/Nekteck-Cert...y-MacBook/dp/B071Z959VX/?tag=androidpolice-20
I have one that i just got. But its a multi voltage one. Goes up to 15v.
I just dont know if it will do the super fast charging or jist fast charging.
I will find out when the phone comes
i need a 45w charging power bank.
Does 45W destroy the battery over time?
Personally, i'm looking for a charger with at least two and preferably three 45w+ Type-C PD ports, with a couple of 18w USB-A ports as well.
Anker have the Atom PD4, but it seems to be as rare as rocking horse poop at the moment.
I have the Huawei MateBook X Pro laptop and it has a 65w intelligent charger.
It fast charges my S10+ perfectly so I'm going to try it once I get my Note 10+ before buying a new one.
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Does 45W destroy the battery over time?
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no.
Before I switched back to the iPhone, this is what I loved about my Note 9, being able to use my 87w Apple MacBook Pro charger to charge my Note.
Is the Samsung official 45w charger that will be coming out soon special in some way to trigger this fast charging mode? Or do any 45w or higher chargers work?
Also, does anybody know if the Note 10+ supports the smart charging logic that Apple has in iOS 13, where it doesn't top off the phone every time (to prolong overall battery health)?
I have a 40W charger from my old huawei mate20 pro however it outputs 10V 4A max which isn't a standard thing. Will the note10+ utilize that kind of rating or will I be stuck with the charger's lower rating which is 18W (9V, 2A).
Edit: Guess no one would actually be able to answer this right now, I'll just have to try it myself when the phone arrives.
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As soon as I get my phone I'll try the power adaptater from my dual wireless charger. This is a 45w brick....
Update on the 45w power brick..
https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/08/13/galaxy-note10-plus-45w-charging/
Guys, I bought this Wireless Charger Pad Slim EP-P1100T, to use on my Note 10 Plus, the information says it has a fast charge, but when I put my device on it, fast charge information does not appear even though it is enabled on the cell phone, is it really so? Android 10 does not show the message?
I think you should use Quick charge 3.0 charging head not the samsung 25w head with it , anyway even if you use the suitable charger with it Note 10 plus automatically shut off fast wireless charging when using slim pad for more that 20% of fast charging because of heat issues since slim charging pads don't have cooling fans and they heat up very quickly
I have one of these also, the only fast charger that enables fast charge with that wireless charger is my old Note 9 charger, it provides the 18w QC2.0 the wireless charger needs.
willhemmens said:
I have one of these also, the only fast charger that enables fast charge with that wireless charger is my old Note 9 charger, it provides the 18w QC2.0 the wireless charger needs.
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I'm using the charger that came with Note 10 + ...
Is that why the phone doesn't charge fast charge with the pad?
Hades said:
I'm using the charger that came with Note 10 + ...
Is that why the phone doesn't charge fast charge with the pad?
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Yes, this charger was designed for the previous generation of phones (S9, Note9 ect) which included a compatible charger. Samsung confirms this here: https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/m...nes/wireless-charger-pad-slim-ep-p1100bbegww/
Samsung doesn't use Quick Charge technology since it's a Qualcomm only feature and Samsung uses its own chipset which isn't Snapdragon.
Instead, it uses Power Delivery which is a standard and better in all aspects.
Nastrahl said:
Samsung doesn't use Quick Charge technology since it's a Qualcomm only feature and Samsung uses its own chipset which isn't Snapdragon.
Instead, it uses Power Delivery which is a standard and better in all aspects.
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That's not entirely true, Samsung definitely do sell phones with the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC and the 15W charging on most of their previous phones (S6, S7, S8 and S9 generations) was QC2.0 or QC2.0 compatible. This is why I am able to fast charge my Exynos Note 9 at full 15W with a QC3.0 charger.
USB Power Delivery is good but it's just another charging protocol, later versions of Qualcomm Quick Charge are also USB-PD compatible.
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That's not entirely true, Samsung definitely do sell phones with the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC and the 15W charging on most of their previous phones (S6, S7, S8 and S9 generations) was QC2.0 or QC2.0 compatible. This is why I am able to fast charge my Exynos Note 9 at full 15W with a QC3.0 charger.
USB Power Delivery is good but it's just another charging protocol, later versions of Qualcomm Quick Charge are also USB-PD compatible.
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That's right it is, but there's more.
It's not just an other charging protocol, it's an USB standard, that's means all USB ports will have it by default.
Quick charge is proprietary licensed and will be dead soon because there's no use of paying licence for nothing.
And it's not the same at all. Power Delivery is made for dynamically adjusting current intensity and tension depending of the device you plug in and battery level, for them to take only what it needs.
Quick charge isn't, that's why you need dedicated QC ports on chargers.
It's easy for QC to be "compliant" if it shares one similar spec, but it's useless since all next USB ports will use USB-PD.
And that how it worked before, with fast charging, you only had to take in consideration that the output specs and the chargers is equal or higher to the input specs of the battery to get fast charge, but it's risky for the battery.
It may appear silly, but for efficiency and durability, lithium ion battery should not be charged at the same current and intensity at all levels and that's at least one reason why it's important.
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That's right it is, but there's more.
It's not just an other charging protocol, it's an USB standard, that's means all USB ports will have it by default.
Quick charge is proprietary licensed and will be dead soon because there's no use of paying licence for nothing.
And it's not the same at all. Power Delivery is made for dynamically adjusting current intensity and tension depending of the device you plug in and battery level, for them to take only what it needs.
Quick charge isn't, that's why you need dedicated QC ports on chargers.
It's easy for QC to be "compliant" if it shares one similar spec, but it's useless since all next USB ports will use USB-PD.
And that how it worked before, with fast charging, you only had to take in consideration that the output specs and the chargers is equal or higher to the input specs of the battery to get fast charge, but it's risky for the battery.
It may appear silly, but for efficiency and durability, lithium ion battery should not be charged at the same current and intensity at all levels and that's at least one reason why it's important.
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I disagree but there doesn't seem to be any point in telling you that you're wrong.