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Back in the day, phones were much more restricted than they are nowadays. Now we have 2.3 ghz quad cores and excellent battery life and lots of features and all sorts of other great stuff.
As the phones get better are you less tempted to root your phone and install custom ROMs?
I know for me when I got my galaxy s3 I didn't root it for a few months. Then when I got my HTC one I was determined not to root it. It was excellent out of the box and I just didn't see a need for it. Untill I started having it not last all day so I rooted to be able to get better battery life. I won't have my note 3 for another week or so because employees aren't allowed to purchase our phones right away for some retarded reason. But just curious if I'm the only one feeling this way, that with phones becoming so much better, its slowly taking away the need for custom ROMs and such.
Personally I still have the need to root because not all phones are updated with official firmware to the latest android version, besides that I often experienced better battery life after rooting (disabling unwanted applications, removing bloatware, using greenify etc)
Yup. Lol idk if Imma root my note. But if I do, it would probably be just to change minor stuff like taking the clock out of the status bar or make it black when it's not transparent. Other than that, I see no reason to root this one as of yet.
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There are really three reasons I root
1. Remove bloat.
2. Adblock hosts file
3. xposed framework.
I think xposed framework does more to eliminate the need for custom roms more than anything.
Same for me I root for 4 reasons:
1. Remove bloat.
2. Block ads.
3. Customize status bar.
4. Better battery life.
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With the Note 3, I have zero incentive to root. I've disabled the apps I don't care about, I have plenty of space for the ones I do, the phone looks and handles like a dream, and performance is blazing. I have zero complaints thus far. I liked Touchwiz with Gingerbread, hated it with ICS, and now I like it again on 4.1.2 and 4.3. Well done, Samsung.
I have always rooted my phone in the first hour of getting them. With the note 3, I have enjoyed the stock use for a 3 days now.
I'm sure it will change and as roms start to poor in but for now I'm ok.
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Of course I still want root. There's so much you can't do without it.
1. Turn the DPI down - I bought a Note because it has a massive and detailed screen. I want to use that screen to fit more stuff on, not have giant letters that offer not much more area than a typical smartphone.
2. Ad blocking. Ads are annoying as can be, so block them system-wide with Ad Away.
3. App management - Delete those obnoxious bloatware apps, delete pointless carrier services, save space, and speed up the phone to its maximum potential
4. File management - Mount Samba shares (Windows file sharing) at defined mount points anywhere on the system, mount NTFS formatted SD card, copy things out of /data and make backups
5. Terminal/System Tools - Log in as root using 'su' and then have access to a privileged command line to run Linux commands. I use openvpn (tap bridging mode) to log into my home network over 4g and that can only be done through root.
6. Custom ROMs - The ultimate end-goal of warranty voiding, I hate TouchWiz and would rather run an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP. These are pre-rooted, give me all of the above options, receive constant updates, are generally less bloated or resource-intensive, adjust to multiple DPI settings a lot better, and are community driven. Also CM has openvpn and NTFS support built in which works really well.
This is my criteria for buying the Note 3. As soon as I can do all of these, mostly the custom ROMs part, I will buy one and flash a ROM. Until then, I love the hardware but my CM10.2 Note i717 is still the winner since it runs software the Note 3 would not out of the box.
For some apps root is required and ASAP is the fastest, plus customization is key. And not great when using TW.
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Root 4 Life
No matter how advanced our phones get I'll always want, and will DEMAND, full root/admin rights to my own device. My primary reasons, in order of importance are similar to the above commenters':
1) AdAway (for system-wide adblocking, from F-Droid.org's opensource repositories, now that it's banned from Play Store)
2) TitaniumBackup (/data/data access)
3) Xposed framework, and the Music2SD module specifically, so I can store all my Google Music on the EXTERNALSD card vs internal (without resorting to symlink or bindmount hacks that sometimes fail)
4) Ability to use GooManager app to easily install TWRP (without odin), to then make full ROM backups, and install CyanogenMod, etc.
5) read/write root access to all areas of my phone via ssh, terminal app, or gui file explorer app.
6) SixAxis support (for the PS3 game controller)
There's other reasons, but those are my top 6 off the top of my head. For most people, AdAway is the Numero Uno, as was actually why my Dad asked me to root his SGS4 while I was visiting him just a week ago.
Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
I used to love ad away.. But ads are what make these apps free... From an app developer point of view, ad blocking isn't all that cool.
I understand the bloat removal and using greenify. Those are the only 2 reasons id see myself using root for on this phone. And maybe also to boost audio. But probably won't.
DPI levels I also agree with. Who from Samsung thought it a good idea to have such a massive screen and only 4 columns for apps? Guy should be fired.
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I used to root all my phones up to S4 which I did not. Got tired of the daily update flashing zip files. I still look at the development threads but, no interest to root. And now with the Knox thingy triggering the counter and triangle away not always working, will pass on rooting. Got to the point of just enjoying the phone and not trying to break what is not broken.
Now, if we get a Cyanogen app that will do all the rooting from beginning to end that is a possibility to root it.
Ian B
clninja said:
Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
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On the Note i717 (AT&T Note 1) the S-Pen has been supported since the beginning in CM/AOSP ROMs. You lose the software customizations relating to the S-Pen (gestures, scrap book, S-note/memo, hover-click to screenshot, etc) but the pen itself is still functional. With third-party drawing/note taking apps the S-Pen's button and pressure sensitivity features still work as well. I don't use the software features, just want the ability to draw diagrams and take handwritten notes on occasion, plus be able to use the S-Pen to hover as a mouse on web pages and to tap precisely on remote desktop. It does all of that just fine on CM. I really hope it is the same situation for the Note 3.
I root so I can use Titanium Backup which is faster than using helium and no need for a PC. Also so I can tether.
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As for me, it all started with the Samsung Vibrant. I rooted every phone up to my Note 2. Now, since I own this BEAST of a phone Note 3, I want to wait until the devs figure out how to reset or bypass this new KNOX Samsung security flag.
This stupid KNOX thing worries me. Everywhere I read about it, it's none reversible, it's permanent. Why would Sammy need to know if we rooted our phones?
i doubt rooting will ever go away. two reasons!
1. individual customized taste
2. ciq removal
Reason to Root
I started rooting about 2 years ago when I got my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. There were issues and updates but it seemed like nothing was ever coming when everyone else got them. I took a chance and rooted so I could install the ICS update that was to fix the issues a lot were having. after a couple of months and still having issues, I took into researching various custom roms and being a tweaker on the computer I thought it would be fun to try it on the phone. I became a regular flasher of sorts trying various roms and from time to time ask and offer help to the wonderful people on this site after seeing there were a lot of other people like me that liked to tinker with their technology. I am no master as a lot on here are but I try to offer suggestions if I have had a similar situation. I research for months when I knew my contract was about to run out and after many months of tinkering, I decided that the issue was with the network and not the phone. I recently purchased a new Note3 and thought I would try T-Mobile for a few days and see what would come of changing. So far I have been really impressed with the phone 'as is' and usually don't want to start tearing down right away (give time for the new to wear off at least) and just in case I decide to return if it doesn't work. I have read on CM that rooting is changing and there should be ways to get what we like in roms and features without the necessity/requirement for root. I would like the option to be able to dual boot so you can keep your stock rom as is and install a custom rom on the sd drive or in a VM environment like you can on a computer.
Like others have mentioned, ad removal is the main reason I always root. Can't stand them. Plus I love trying out new roms.
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Root is a must
It will always be a must to have complete control of phone for full backups of backs via Tbackup I refuse to constantly have to redo app's. Also to use our wonderful xposed modules that work awesome. Also allows my to flash and set permissons. Also allows to be rid of bloat and make full use of phone no need to be tied down. Plus if binary can never be reset then opps broke glass and use insurance if really so worried about the marker.
I've had my Note 3 for 3 days now and have not even thought of rooting it. It's exceptionally fast and I already disabled the boat I don't use. I'm fine where I am for now
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Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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rooting is fine at this point. However, as twrp causes an all but irreparable error, you might want to wait for a reliable recovery before installing any modded roms.
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AGx-07_162 said:
Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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The main reason I rooted last night was to install Ad Block, Titanium Backup to freeze some bloat and run Chainfire's region lock removal. I agree with you though, I bought the Note for the SPen features so an AOSP rom would take that away. There is 1 custom ROM already that retains TouchWiz and SPen features that I am debating on trying. I'm still on the fence of installing a custom rom since its very early into development for the device.
I would say rooting imho is mandatory. It doesn't matter how big he screen is Samsung always makes the stuff on it way to large for my use. I have to modify the DPI and use Xposed to remove many of the status bar icons or I would never be able to have enough room on the status bar and notification pull down. I also uninstall some of the bloat, enable call recording, use isis, and more. I don't run a custom rom I just run a DeOdexed stock rom and do everything I need manually for now.
I'm not going to "convince" anyone per say, but just keep following the forums until something forces you to root again. I for one missed Titanium Backup since it can backup everything, I've tried Helium, but for some reason it just wouldn't backup ES File Explorer and Beautiful Widgets on my S4. These are just normal apps and I don't know why it wouldn't work. Also, removing bloat and adding more apps for the Pen Window feature.
I'll be rooting once my 14 days are passed and start flashing again once the recovery's restore feature is working properly again. I don't root to overclock, I root so I can customize my phone even more and add features which wasn't added for stock. Also, I miss the auto GPS on/off by Secure Settings. It requires root and I can't use it just yet!
I still say root, there's a lot of things you can only do with root even on stock. You can block ads, adjust dpi, delete bloat, and manage files better. You can also use the command line for a lot more things when rooted. You can also install the xposed framework to get some of the unofficial ROM benefits on the stock ROM like per-app DPI, something very useful on a high resolution, big screen like Notes have.
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I am planning on rooting for the sole purpose of restoring my FF3 saved game. I lost a saved game once when my SGS3 bricked (SDS) and am just about where I was when I lost that one.
CalcProgrammer1 said:
I still say root, there's a lot of things you can only do with root even on stock. You can block ads, adjust dpi, delete bloat, and manage files better. You can also use the command line for a lot more things when rooted. You can also install the xposed framework to get some of the unofficial ROM benefits on the stock ROM like per-app DPI, something very useful on a high resolution, big screen like Notes have.
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I rooted for the sole purpose of installing AdAway. The stock ROM is so awesome I really don't see me wanting a custom one. I love this beast.
Sent from a Galaxy Note 3 far, far away....
Root is definitely mandatory for me. I can install the custom font that I use, get rid of ads (which is 100% worth it for me), I can delete apps I don't want, not just freeze them, and customize the device how I want.
I root because I want to own my device.. it's mine I m it's administrator.. not my provider .. not Samsung. . ME..
With that said Samsung s stock roms are solid just like aosp is.. The true need for root has diminished a lot in last 12 months .. I root because I can.. I completely understand there is no real need for it but to deny warranty on those who root is plain wrong... just my 2 cents
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DAGr8 said:
I root because I want to own my device.. it's mine I m it's administrator.. not my provider .. not Samsung. . ME..
With that said Samsung s stock roms are solid just like aosp is.. The true need for root has diminished a lot in last 12 months .. I root because I can.. I completely understand there is no real need for it but to deny warranty on those who root is plain wrong... just my 2 cents
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Agreed. I root to make it 100% mines! I also do it to under clock a step... Not much into OC'ing anymore. This will probably be the first ROM I stay close to stock with minus some of those extra mods and tweaks that separates my Note 3 from the average consumer...
Rooting can let you easily backup and restore application data.
I root to enable all apps in multi window. So i can watch mnf and candy crush
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Rooting
I personally like the idea of rooting. I'm spending my own hard earned money on this mobile device and I should be able to do what the hell I want with it. I will also root to get rid of Carrier IQ and when I am tired of TouchWiz.
you should only root under the following conditions.
1. check your personality that you are not a person who rush things!
2. do 10 hour reading about rooting, how to root on your device, its benefits, and its drawback
3. after rooting, you should spend at least 1 hour reading about the rom/mod you want to install
4. optional. have a device warranty with cell provider. they will always change a soft brick phone with you telling them it just died.
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I would say rooting imho is mandatory. It doesn't matter how big he screen is Samsung always makes the stuff on it way to large for my use. I have to modify the DPI and use Xposed to remove many of the status bar icons or I would never be able to have enough room on the status bar and notification pull down. I also uninstall some of the bloat, enable call recording, use isis, and more. I don't run a custom rom I just run a DeOdexed stock rom and do everything I need manually for now.
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You wouldn't happen to know if there is a deodexed stock rom out there for the SM-N900W8, would you?
c_est_la_vie said:
You wouldn't happen to know if there is a deodexed stock rom out there for the SM-N900W8, would you?
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Sorry but I don't know anything about that model.
When I got my note, I took it home, opened the box, insert battery, hit the three keys to download mode, plug phone into my pc and Odin root, reboot and bam first time using my note.
I recently just got a brand new ATT Galaxy Note 8.0 from ATT, but I was wondering if there was a way to root the tablet and/or put cyanogenmod or just stock Jellybean on it. This tablet is really awesome, but I can't really stand TouchWIZ and the bloatware that comes with it.
SurrealDelight said:
I recently just got a brand new ATT Galaxy Note 8.0 from ATT, but I was wondering if there was a way to root the tablet and/or put cyanogenmod or just stock Jellybean on it. This tablet is really awesome, but I can't really stand TouchWIZ and the bloatware that comes with it.
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Rooting instructions are here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430540
As for a custom rom this is not possible at this time on the ATT variant.. it has a locked boot loader and most of the developers did not spend the money to get the ATT version .. also my ATT business rep informed me its EOL so.. in otherwords.. enjoy your paperweight or take it back and demand a refund.
SurrealDelight said:
I recently just got a brand new ATT Galaxy Note 8.0 from ATT, but I was wondering if there was a way to root the tablet and/or put cyanogenmod or just stock Jellybean on it. This tablet is really awesome, but I can't really stand TouchWIZ and the bloatware that comes with it.
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Below are two methods that allow you to gain root access on the AT&T Galaxy Note 8.0. They do not install custom recoveries, which you would need to install any custom ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660738
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430540
The first method looks a lot easier! Hope this helps!
I second on saferoot.zip.
You can't go wrong and all you need to do is make sure you have enabled USB Debugging on the device, and have installed Kies or Samsung USB drivers on the laptop or computer.
I recommend Xposed framework and modules for some customization, boot animations can be done to stock ROM but must be done manually, and Premium Wallpaper HD. RootCloak Plus app and Substrate app, don't use the Xposed version. sqlite Database Editor works the best of what I have found, for some database editing. Though it does not add new rows. I changed some added rows by some apps to allow forcing of new data, though it required updating the settings through the app to apply the missing data row that I changed. Example, I moved row 96 to 128 and changed all the data. So the app will insert missing row 96 with its data. I also recommend 360 Security, as it has some features that will keep your device tip top without having to add additional apps.
Surprised safe strap hasn't been ported yet
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Just curious if anyone is running Cyanogenmod (n5100) on their Note 8. couple quick questions....
1. Is it stable?
2. Anything not work? Any bugs?
3. People talk about the sPen stuff or whatever on the Note 8. Is it worth keeping the stock ROM for some of that Samsung stuff?
mannypants said:
Just curious if anyone is running Cyanogenmod (n5100) on their Note 8. couple quick questions....
1. Is it stable?
2. Anything not work? Any bugs?
3. People talk about the sPen stuff or whatever on the Note 8. Is it worth keeping the stock ROM for some of that Samsung stuff?
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Only for the sPen and the double window thing. I dont care about the bloatware that comes included. In fact I just bought it for the sPen feature.
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Only for the sPen and the double window thing. I dont care about the bloatware that comes included. In fact I just bought it for the sPen feature.
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I donno what peeps here are calling bloat ware... Samsung apps are some the the finest available on Android. Google apps are just about needed for secondary apps and extras.
Out of the many apps I removed or disabled, I personally could not find much improvement with storage or RAM consumption.
The only issue that I found from an app is Googles Music Player, and 4.2.2 and earlier OS not able to fully categorize RAM used with over 45GB of MP3 files. I think it has to do with how many folders and mp3 files are stored. Any way Music Player will consume battery power not what peeps call bloat ware.
Too many developers and so called know it alls will point out bloat ware as an issue, when the issue is how things are configured and used.
I have tried custom ROMs and found nothing better than a properly setup Stock ROM. Sad to say for the Note 8.0.
If need be safe root and install TI backup pro and Xposed framework with plugins, to have the power of most custom ROMs and to remove all you want. If you need to send in for repair, just do a factory reset and be done with it. Simple and effective without need to jump though hoops in flashing and dealing with Triangle away and looking for proper OEM firmware. Plus you can always update through Kies or Settings as if nothing was touched. )
Sorry for the long rant, just tired of peeps pointing at bloatware being an issue with devices. The issue is proper implementation and usage. Take it from me, having an engineering degree in applied science in technology. I find it easier to pick at the problems people create than to deal with the limitations of pushing out new tech without proper testing. That is why I never applied for Google, MS, or many other big named companies. Samsung tablets seem to have less issues with what they load than many other competitors. Google may complain about customizations, but as long as they work that is all I care about. So many who do complain about bloatware are probably Google biased.
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Just curious if anyone is running Cyanogenmod (n5100) on their Note 8. couple quick questions....
1. Is it stable?
2. Anything not work? Any bugs?
3. People talk about the sPen stuff or whatever on the Note 8. Is it worth keeping the stock ROM for some of that Samsung stuff?
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I put CM 11 on my note 8.0 n5110 (not the n5100) as I love CM11 on my note 2. However, although the CM 11 on my note 2 seems like a polished final product with no issues whatsoever (although it's only a nightly), definitely CM11 on my note 8.0 seemed like it was still a work in progress.
1. Yes, it is stable for everyday things.
2. Often (about once every other day) an app would disappear from the homepage. I would then have to put them back. I could not remove unwanted preinstalled apps from my homepage (like the camera app for example). Usually you would grab the app and bring it to the top of the screen and it would be removed. For some reason there was no way to remove them. Usually there is a simple way to "close all" the opened apps by going to the pull-down menu. This was missing my nightly.
3. The pen works perfectly on CM11. Of course, there is no "air gestures" like on stock. For me, I just use the spen as a pen: for drawing, sketching, and taking notes (like using my favorite app LectureNotes). For such things, the pen works fine. In my opinion, it's well worth getting CM11 --- besides for the things mentioned in 2 (and other small things) the note 8.0 runs amazingly smooth, like the dream tablet I always wanted.
BTW, later I moved to Omnirom on my note 8.0 and I'm still using it and I am liking Omnirom even better than CM11 (which in my personal opinion is much better than the stock rom).
Hello I just ordered one of these off eBay for $80 in excellent condition but I feel like I should've asked if sketchbook runs smooth enough on here? I know it's old hardware, but still better than Snapdragon 410 in Galaxy A tab. I wanted a small tablet with s pen (Wacom). I don't need it for anything else I have an iPhone 6s and i7 desktop and Skylake i3 laptop
what version JB 4.1.2 or 4.2.2? Hopefully you didn't get 4.4.2.
As of this month I finally got the best ever overall operation in 4.4.2. But it is not anywhere as perfect as 4.1.2 or 4.2.2
If by chance you have KK, you can either root and use a custom kernel or do the S Note fix to correct the spen pixel issue
It is easy to do, but any complain about it being trial and error. Once you get the knack, you'll wonder why you had such a problem in the first place.
I have the app in question along with Layer Paint HD, and Paper Artist. once you align your spen in KK, you won't have any issues with drawing apps.
There are custom ROMs that correct the spen issue but some still need work as they are not 100% fully functional as stock is.
Since I require perfect miracast functions, with minimal bugs with a nice layout. I was forced into manually selecting components from S5, Tab 4 and Note 2 stock ROMs, along with some ported system apps distributed by Devs. Some very few apps are from dead ROMs, where the Dev let rot away.
Yes you can run S5 apps in stock form, just need to root and run Xposed with app settings. Some apps require 320 or so DPI, and others may require 190 or 220. It is a trial and error, but they are stock, and with a build.prop mod, you can update them on Play or Galaxy.
I run the latest versions of Tab 4 version and S5 version of Peel Smart Remotes. As S5 has a better layout.
Some apps like Kids mode need a small tweak with a saved older sub app to run, though the lock screen widget interactions and gator animations are missing.
I run my N5110 as a T330 (Tab 4 8.0) in my build prop, 90% of the time, with out any issues with my apps. The remainder of my usage is in S5 form, as my Chrome Dev browser with Samsung's chrome customization system app, operates a wee better browsing on the Internet. Seems that the updated versions are not so device dependant in the build.prop requirements.
Hello thanks! Sounds good I don't have the device yet. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions. Hopefully it's not 4.4.2 like you said.
Okay sadly it has 4.4.2 Can yuu point me in the direction of the spen fix?
By the way I have SAMSUNG-SGH-I467 sounds like it's hard to root this device?
autocorrect sucks on your thread title...
Smith or smooth? XD
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