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OTA after bootloarer unlock?

I've got the OTA update waiting for me to select to get the November update but I don't want to risk losing the ability to unlock to bootloader if I ever want to in the future because I'm not sure of the bootloader unlockability for Bell bought devices. So if I unlock the bootloader do I lose anything, can I still get and take OTA updates from Google in the future?

You're phone will do a factory reset when unlocking the bootloader, so you'd want to back everything up. You can also still update with an unlocked bootloader.
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gonzo237 said:
You're phone will do a factory reset when unlocking the bootloader, so you'd want to back everything up. You can also still update with an unlocked bootloader.
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But will you still be able to re root after the update is installed....Verizon?

canemaxx said:
But will you still be able to re root after the update is installed....Verizon?
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Yes

cwalker0906 said:
Yes
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I do have to unroot to update though correct? Sorry I been out of the game for a while. If I do a full unroot via SuperSU I will have to push SuperSU back to my phone after right?

canemaxx said:
I do have to unroot to update though correct? Sorry I been out of the game for a while. If I do a full unroot via SuperSU I will have to push SuperSU back to my phone after right?
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No you can go to stock recovery and from your computer sideload the factory ota image of the updated software, its on the google dev site at the link below just go to the pixel xl section and the updates ota images are there.
https://developers.google.com/android/ota

M9guy said:
No you can go to stock recovery and from your computer sideload the factory ota image of the updated software, its on the google dev site at the link below just go to the pixel xl section and the updates ota images are there.
https://developers.google.com/android/ota
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First time side loading. Does side loading the newest stock image wipe everything? Or upgrade over it.

tommyntpham said:
First time side loading. Does side loading the newest stock image wipe everything? Or upgrade over it.
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Sideloaded last night. Didn't wipe anything. Will lose root but rooted phone right after update completed with no issues.

Should I install the image for Verizon or would it be more safe to use one of the other images?

If you are rooted and unlocked can you accept the update notification?

I haven't been offered it yet, but I know it's coming so wanted to ask, trying to stay on the official channel.
If you accept the update will I lose root and have to re-root?
I'm out of practice since the Nexus 6P tether worked out of the box.
Thanks in advance!

wonderrx said:
I haven't been offered it yet, but I know it's coming so wanted to ask, trying to stay on the official channel.
If you accept the update will I lose root and have to re-root?
I'm out of practice since the Nexus 6P tether worked out of the box.
Thanks in advance!
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The OTA probably won't work because when you root with Magisk you flash a modified boot image. Process would be as follows before taking the OTA.
Flash stock boot image from the Image Version you are currently on (i.e. Flash the October Boot Image)
Reboot
Take OTA
Re-root using Magisk using the November Boot image to patch
add tethering line to build.prop or get the Magisk Module
Profit
You would need to repeat this for each monthly update to keep root.

I had always thought this was the best way to install OTAs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/tips.md#ota-installation-tips

Cowbell_Guy said:
I had always thought this was the best way to install OTAs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/tips.md#ota-installation-tips
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Normally yes but I'm not sure if the partition structure is identical on the new Pixels but you could always try @topjohnwu 's method and report back.

I didn't think you could do an OTA with an unlocked bootloader, is that true? If so, topjohnwu's method wouldn't work anyway.

Receiving OTA updates while rooted

I'm planning on rooting my Moto Z Play but staying on the stock ROM as it has better battery life (according to XDA members) compared to LineageOS. I also really like Moto Display and all of the other exclusive features to this ROM.
However, I still want to receive OTAs after doing so. I've read that an app called FlashFire can help me with this.
Question 1: Do the OTAs download even if your system is rooted? I've read that some phones do download the OTAs, but fail when the flashing starts as they have a custom recovery, while some phones don't even download at all once it detects that you're rooted.
Question 2: Will it work even if I have TWRP installed?
Thank you.

Hi i dont think you can receive OTAs after unlocking bootloader and iff you do they will fail on installation as you have said. Secondly in my opinion you are right and i have tried almost all the roms on here and by far the stock N is the best rom for fluidity battery life app compatibility etc so i went back to stock but the deodexed N debloated version because im rooted. Iff i were you i would not root at this time because i think Official Oreo is about to be released for our phone and it would be a good idea to hangon a while but that is entirely your choice.

djdelarosa25 said:
However, I still want to receive OTAs after doing so. I've read that an app called FlashFire can help me with this.
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Never really tested Flashify and FlashFire. If you succeed please write how it works, which steps to do to be on the safe side
djdelarosa25 said:
Question 1: Do the OTAs download even if your system is rooted? I've read that some phones do download the OTAs, but fail when the flashing starts as they have a custom recovery, while some phones don't even download at all once it detects that you're rooted.
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Download fine. Install fails, yes.
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Question 2: Will it work even if I have TWRP installed?
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No. That's why I never install twrp, I just boot it when needed. You need a computer and a cable every time you want to start twrp, but recovery partition stays untouched using fastboot boot.
Idea is:
1. Take a backup of boot partition before rooting
2. Install the kernel you need to avoid f2fs problems, then Magisk. Both modifies the boot partition, nothing else.
When an OTA arrives, you restore your backup of boot partition and everything is stock. OTA is supposed to work fine.

In theory, if I just run TWRP off from the PC and flash SuperSU on my phone without flashing TWRP, I would be rooted, right? And the OTAs would install, but I will lose root access?

djdelarosa25 said:
And the OTAs would install, but I will lose root access?
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No. SuperSU modifies boot partition. OTA do not install while boot partition is modified.
You need to restore NANDROID backup of original stock boot partition prior to rooting, then you should be fine for install OTA.
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Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA. If you suppress that unlocked bootloader warning with a different logo, of course you need to restore the original logo partition before applying OTA.

tag68 said:
No. SuperSU modifies boot partition. OTA do not install while boot partition is modified.
You need to restore NANDROID backup of original stock boot partition prior to rooting, then you should be fine for install OTA.
Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA. If you suppress that unlocked bootloader warning with a different logo, of course you need to restore the original logo partition before applying OTA.
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That's a pity. Oh well, I might just have to wait for Oreo.
Thanks a lot!

"'Just an additional hint: Modifying logo also prevents OTA"
Actually...not my experience. I have an unlocked bootloader, flashed a stock rom file by file, except for logo.bin, which is a modded one to get rid of the annoying "untrustworthy" startup screen.
All worked well and recently got the OTA update all installed as normal by the system.
Will wait now to get the official oreo update before i muck around further.
Actually, on the 22-2-8 build on the phone now it runs really well and battery life is great. Getting over 2 days in my usage pattern easy.
Camera good as well. Got some nice photos of the local beach last night.

You can get back to stock, and get ota's
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z-play/how-to/guide-relock-bootloader-to-lasted-stock-t3718190

Note: Lock of Bootloader is not required to get OTA update. It makes sure that you do no action which prevents OTA, but if you take care this does not happen (for instance not rooting which modifies system or boot partition), you eg can take advantage of Nandroid backup only booting TWRP for this purpose.

Root and update OTA?

Hello ,
I will have a ONE PLUS 5T.
I would like to root this one to have adblocker...
First question : How could root this?
Second question: If my phone is rooted, is it possible to have update OTA (or like samsung, impossible after)?
Thank you;

If you replace the stock recovery with a custom recovery, like TWRP, OTAs will not work. However, if retain the stock recovery and simply boot TWRP in fastboot mode, you will be able to root your stock phone and receive OTAs. Just use the ADB command <fastboot boot twro_xxx.img> or simply flash back to a stock recovery image every time an OTA comes in.

jim262 said:
If you replace the stock recovery with a custom recovery, like TWRP, OTAs will not work. However, if retain the stock recovery and simply boot TWRP in fastboot mode, you will be able to root your stock phone and receive OTAs. Just use the ADB command <fastboot boot twro_xxx.img> or simply flash back to a stock recovery image every time an OTA comes in.
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it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?

ilan78 said:
it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?
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Guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-t3704592
You can't use OTAs after you root. You'll need to download the full update every time one is released and flash it in TWRP.

ilan78 said:
it's chinese for me your answer... is there a tutorial for that?
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If that is a major issue for you, use the TWRP recovery from blu_spark, otherwise, simply go into your TWRP settings and set the language to English or... Either way the language has nothing to do with functionality and it operates the basically the same.

jim262 said:
If that is a major issue for you, use the TWRP recovery from blu_spark, otherwise, simply go into your TWRP settings and set the language to English or... Either way the language has nothing to do with functionality and it operates the basically the same.
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Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?

santor said:
Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?
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No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.

shadeau said:
No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.
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If we root our device.can we install ota manually via twrp ??
If yes, then how??

Amanpreetsingh said:
If we root our device.can we install ota manually via twrp ??
If yes, then how??
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Let me clarify: OTA stands for Over-The-Air and implies that you're going to download the partial update from OnePlus and install it in stock recovery. Do NOT do this.
OnePlus usually publishes full zips of their updates when the OTA is released. Currently a mirror for them exists in the guides section. You can flash those (>1 GB) safely in TWRP to update OOS.

santor said:
Jim your answer wasn't Chinese to me and made perfect sense thank you. I have a doubt, if I just use "fastboot boot *TWRP*.IMG" and root and flash exposed too, will I be able to receive otas and update offically and redo boot TWRP and root and flash exposed again without problems?
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Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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shadeau said:
No. You should NEVER take an OTA if you have root. You can dirty flash the full update zip in TWRP when they're released though.
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.

jim262 said:
Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.
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I apologize if I'm out of the loop. When I first read about OTAs with root I was on a Samsung device and everyone said that it would either brick the phone or upgrade the OS with no way to re-root the device. Looking through your answer it's obvious that that fear probably only applies to Samsung devices. Thanks for correcting me on this.

jim262 said:
Here is the reality. YES. You can still receive OTAs with root, However, the OTA will break the root and you will need to reroot your device. Those who are saying no are wrong. It is very simple. To process an OTA, your phone needs stock recovery. TWRP will not process an OTA. So if you have stock recovery in your recovery partition and you reboot your phone into fastboot mode and from your PC, run the ADB command, <fastboot boot twrp_xxx.img>, you will boot up the TWRP image and will be able to run it as one normally would, but you will still have stock recovery loaded in the recovery partition.[QRCODE][/QRCODE]
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What's the difference? You still need to reroot.
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Thanks Jim , I can confirm this works without problems on op5t. I had TWRP flashed and rooted with xposed installed.
I clean flashed the 4.7.1 stock ROM and got stock recovery and fresh os.
Just booted to TWRP using fastboot boot and rooted / installed xposed.
I got OTA updated to 4.7.2 and rerooted using fastboot boot TWRP and now rooted with xposed on stock ROM and stock recovery. ?

I have a question :
I would like to root without lost everything.
Is it possible? if yes , how?

ilan78 said:
I have a question :
I would like to root without lost everything.
Is it possible? if yes , how?
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Exactly like I said. Rooting, by itself, does not wipe your storage. The only time your storage is wiped is when you unlock your (bootloader) phone, when you manually choose to wipe storage in TWRP or when you do a factory reset. If you do not have an unlocked bootlader, you must make a backup of your files first, as once you unlock it does a factory reset. You can then run TWRP and restore your files. You are now rooted with your files and ability to take OTAs. There are plenty of tutorials here on XDA describing the process step by step. May I suggest you do a search first. You are very likely to get all the answers to these questions as they have been asked many, many times.

Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Look through the Magisk forum. They have a method of rooting that doesn't require a custom recovery.
I use helium backup for my non-root app backup needs. Settings are trickier and I typically do them over every time. Super backup & restore is good for call logs, texts, and contacts.

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Did you read my post? The answers are all there. SEARCH! This question has been asked several times a day. You need to back up your data to another site, such as cloud, other device or PC. Then unlock bootloader, run TWRP and root file, then restore data. Tutorials are online. Now SEARCH!

ilan78 said:
Thank you.
so my question is FOR ROOTING, i HAVE TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
And how Back up my data, my apps, all my settings without root or TWRP?
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Man seriously! You got your answers and still you keep asking. Makes me wonder if you are just trolling

Non-trolling question - I am experienced when it comes to flashing/rooting. So if I want to stay with TWRP, I have to sacrifice OTA's, but it will be possible to flash the new updated zips and still keep my data via dirty flashing? Any negatives to doing this?

Tefzors said:
Non-trolling question - I am experienced when it comes to flashing/rooting. So if I want to stay with TWRP, I have to sacrifice OTA's, but it will be possible to flash the new updated zips and still keep my data via dirty flashing? Any negatives to doing this?
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Yes, as far as I know, if on stock OOS, you download the full zip (over 1GB in size), flash that in TWRP, and then flash root solution right after (before leaving TWRP) to prevent it being overwritten by the stock recovery.
I don't think dirty flashing has any downsides, but if you do end up running into issues, a clean flash usually solves them

Rooted P2XL with stock recovery

Hey everyone, I have a pixel 2XL rooted with stock recovery (and stock firmware).
I was wondering if I can get OTA updates ? I thought I could receive them and install them (and then re-root of course), but I still haven't received the March OTA yet.
Thanks!

youssefkr said:
Hey everyone, I have a pixel 2XL rooted with stock recovery (and stock firmware).
I was wondering if I can get OTA updates ? I thought I could receive them and install them (and then re-root of course), but I still haven't received the March OTA yet.
Thanks!
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You'll likely get the notification, and it might even download, however, it won't install. But no biggie, you can either fastboot the monthly updates, or flash the OTA zip in twrp. Either way, you'll still have root it again :good:

Badger50 said:
You'll likely get the notification, and it might even download, however, it won't install. But no biggie, you can either fastboot the monthly updates, or flash the OTA zip in twrp. Either way, you'll still have root it again :good:
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Thanks, but I thought the whole point of keeping the stock recovery is that I could install OTA directly ?
In that case I should probably flash TWRP.

youssefkr said:
Thanks, but I thought the whole point of keeping the stock recovery is that I could install OTA directly ?
In that case I should probably flash TWRP.
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Stock recovery yes, however, root is the ota killer as well :good:

There was a moment that flashing twrp would brick the phone and that they made it where you couldn't flash twrp anymore
Looks like they found a work around
If you accidently flash TWRP to your device using fastboot instead of temporarily booting the image, you will need to download the latest factory image for your device and reflash the boot image.
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