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Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!
Really good review.... but I wish the watch interface looked more modern, for $130 i wish the screen on the watch was a touch screen style & the icons on the watch, im not feeling.
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Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!
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I wouldn't exactly call it novelty. There are many times, throughout the day, when I simply cannot pick up/pull out my phone but still need to see who/what, etc... That's priceless, in my opinion.
Which leads me to add to your questions for the OP:
I didn't see any mention of caller ID. Is that possible, with this watch? If so, how far down the pipe is it to be unlocked?
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Really good review.... but I wish the watch interface looked more modern, for $130 i wish the screen on the watch was a touch screen style & the icons on the watch, im not feeling.
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This is actually what I was surprised about as well. I was hoping for a much nicer screen. Once they come out with a model that can support applications like strava and mapmyrun I will probably be all about one of these.
Awesome review!
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I wouldn't exactly call it novelty. There are many times, throughout the day, when I simply cannot pick up/pull out my phone but still need to see who/what, etc... That's priceless, in my opinion.
Which leads me to add to your questions for the OP:
I didn't see any mention of caller ID. Is that possible, with this watch? If so, how far down the pipe is it to be unlocked?
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We'll have to disagree there sir. With some further customization I can see this becoming more useful but not priceless by far.
And as another poster just mentioned, it really could look a bit better. The Casio-calculator-ish readout is probably scaled down to give it that impressive battery life. I'd totally drool if it looked a bit more like the Nike+ GPS watch.
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We'll have to disagree there sir. With some further customization I can see this becoming more useful but not priceless by far.
And as another poster just mentioned, it really could look a bit better. The Casio-calculator-ish readout is probably scaled down to give it that impressive battery life. I'd totally drool if it looked a bit more like the Nike+ GPS watch.
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One man's priceless is another man's trash. I think that goes without saying. As for looks, yep it's butt-ugly. I think we can agree, there. The Pebble looks very nice, if not a little too feminine for my taste. Unfortunately, unless someone pre-ordered last year or is willing to buy a pre-order for $200+ off ebay that one is not going to be widely available any time soon. The Sony looks decent and I think I've read can be used with your own watch band. At ~$100, I think that beats the pants out of this one based on functionality, alone. But, again, what I consider useful you don't. Different strokes.
OK, let me jump back into discussion
Handling phone calls - like a champ! You get caller ID and also an option to hangup or answer the call. You also have a config option to answer the phone and turn speakerphone on. All the phone calling history along with email history and other notifications are stored and can be viewed.
Regarding the look. MetaWatch was started by Fossil guys, so I will give them a benefit of a doubt they know a thing or two about watch ergonomics. If Strata style is too sporty, FRAME style is your typical wrist band style with a replacement band.
I only have Strata, so can't tell you how FRAME looks next to it, but I think its slimmer/trimmer in general.
With different clock faces, I'm sure more stuff will be coming soon since I saw "Analog" option in NE Manager. Regarding graphics, the original MetaWatch manager has better icons and fonts (still digital clock), but not all the functionality is unlocked yet.
With reference to Pebble and Sony smartwatches, I can only judge Sony by a limited experience of playing with discontinued MN800 (LiveView model) - the battery life wasn't that great, and because of OLED display the screen is on for a few seconds before it times out. So it was displaying info only as it being pushed to the watch or when you push the button to view the clock, etc. Without a doubt, having a color screen is an awesome experience, but it comes at a price of battery life and aging of OLED if you keep it on all the time. Plus, OLED is hardly visible in direct sunlight. I do want to get my hands on their latest SmartWatch to see how it works in comparison to LiveView and MetaWatch. With Pebble, I'm hoping to get a review sample one of these days as well. In my opinion it will be similar to MetaWatch in functionality and display graphics. I'm also reading a lot of comments that hardware is ready by software is still work in progress.
You gotta keep in mind, Sony and Nike stuff looks good, but it never took off even at discounted prices. Now, here we have MetaWatch and Pebble, two kickstarter projects that generated a lot of buzz and followers. MetaWatch was ahead with their release and has a very strong base of hackers/users who took matter in their own hands. Pebble probably going to follow the same route since I believe their source is open. I can't judge Pebble, but from use of MetaWatch I found it to do exactly what I would expect from a smart watch - to be remote extension of my phone so I don't have to take my phone out to see who is calling, or start playing music on my bt speaker, to read info about incoming emails where I can see who it's from and the subject line of the email, to see my calendar and all the scheduled talks and to be able to scroll through days and months of content, to see text messages, to get a notification for all these events, and counts for anything I missed, to get a current weather and weather forecast for the next three days, and more.
This is just my personal opinion because I like to have everything on one screen, just like as you can see I have it on my phone with all the widgets and how I set up MetaWatch with everything on one screen. Does it look like a fashionable watch? Not really. It looks like a geek gadget My friends at work were telling me I got "**** Tracy" watch. Can you change it? Sure, if you dress it up using FRAME and more minimalistic layout. But don't expect it to look like OLED display because its a different display technology.
This was my first true smart watch experience, and I hope to have more in the near future for comparison. But based on what I have tested and wearing right now - I'm very impressed!!!
I tried a Metawatch for about a week. Returned it. Overpriced piece of junk. Have been using a Sony with a Fossil band for a few months and am pretty satisfied.
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I tried a Metawatch for about a week. Returned it. Overpriced piece of junk. Have been using a Sony with a Fossil band for a few months and am pretty satisfied.
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Care to share your experience with MetaWatch and why you found it to be "piece of junk"? Did you have it configured the same way as I did, was it not enough or didn't meet your expectations or did you just give up because you were using MetaWatch original manager? I can see how someone will get frustrated because it's still limited out of the box if you only download original Manager. But going with Noah or Community Edition manager and Executive Assistant+ along with K-9/TouchDown - that covers a huge ground. True, the visual is nowhere near Sony's OLED and ton of apps you can get with it. My only experience with Sony was using MN800 LiveView. I assume you are using MN2SW, right? Does it stay up or display turns off after 10-15seconds, and only comes up whenever you have notification? How is a battery life? How about text message, email (POP/IMAP/Exchange) linking?
For benefit of this thread and considering your experience with both smart watches, I would really appreciate if you can summarize it in more words than "piece of junk" and "pretty satisfied"
What software and hardware version are you running? I have the frame and music control does not work neither does answering calls. I get only 6.5hrs of battery life. Very poor. I'm running ne community and augmented watch app.
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Jlczl most likely thinks it's a piece of junk because there is another thread on metwatch in which he has given a description of his experiences. I for one felt the same way during that time of discussion. As for now I sit on the fence. It's not bad but not great either.
In comparison to the pebble, the metawatch is very slow on the development side.
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For benefit of this thread and considering your experience with both smart watches, I would really appreciate if you can summarize it in more words than "piece of junk" and "pretty satisfied"
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OK. I'm using the Sony SmartWatch MN2. I don't remember much about the Metawatch but suffice it to say once I got the Sony I realized how behind the MetaWatch was. I was using the Noah Edition and it still didn't have near the functionality of the Sony.
With the Sony my Gmail and text messages appear on my watch in their entirety (not just the sender name or title), I remotely control my Spotify music, I can see my camera on the watch face and even control the shutter to take a pic, I can turn on audio recording from my watch, I get my Google Now notifications on my watch as well as the obvious answer and/or reject calls from it. All of this in color, with a touch screen, on my own watch band and for almost half the price. I can choose from a variety of watch faces depending on what looks better and on how much I want my battery to last. To get a week between charges I use a watch face that only appears when I double tap the screen or push the side button. If I use the "always on" watch face it'll only last about 2 days before it needs a charge.
The MetaWatch has a build and screen that leaves a lot to be desired. It really does remind me of a cheap Casio. Additionally, I was never able to get consistent operation for music on it. The buttons sometimes took forever to respond so I never new when a button press had really registered or not. On top of that it just quit taking a charge all of a sudden and never turned back on. The high price, limited and alpha software, and Jr High school appearance was too much so I ended up returning it. On the upside they were very gracious about the return and didn't give me a hard time about it at all.
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Thank you guys for your feedback on both MW and Sony MN2SW. Hopefully one of these days I will get a chance to review Sony and Pebble watches.
Regarding Sony smart watch, can you preview POP/IMAP accounts in addition to GMail? How about Exchange account? That would be the most important features for me personally.
Regarding my MW Strata watch, its running SW/FW 1.35 and HW Rev F which supposed to be the latest. I have read about issues with pre 1.35 SW version and problems with battery and other functionality. v1.35 is solid and running like a champ. No issues with music control. Make sure you have in Watch Apps setting to enable Media Control Method as "Emulate headset buttons", and I also have "Inverse Media Player Buttons" since I care more about next/prev track skip rather than volume up/down control. What I like is how I can press Play from a that audio control and it starts playing on my phone, and it also displays the song name/artist (but only after the first track skip when it read the audio info). With a default audio player you have to start Play from the phone, and then can control it from the watch. No issues with a phone, but I did notice when I'm in a car and paired up with my head unit in there, I can receive calls without a problem, but sometime can't dial out. Hopefully they will be able to fix it soon.
Regarding response of the control and switching between pages on the phone, I do agree. CE and NE is painfully slow and sometime there is at least 1s-2s delay. It's simply because those custom Manager are not optimized for the latest firmware/software. When you use the latest official MW Manager - any control or switching between pages is lighting fast. That is why I put a lot of hope and will give MW guys a benefit of a doubt they will get the official MW Manager on par with NE Manager. If you combine features of NE Manager with a speed and graphics of a new MW Manager and add some custom analog and digital watch faces - it will take MW smartwatch to the next level.
Btw, thanks for the pointer about Augmented Watch app. I will test it out and let you know how it works for me (contacted them already, fantastic support and fast response from Adrian). Also, I wonder if your poor battery life has to do with a fact that you are not running v1.35? With everything I'm running right now (NE Manager, EA+ widgets, etc.) I had it charged up about 8 hours ago, and my watch battery is only 1% down. I had hardly any emails during this time, so not my "vibrations" or use of backlight. It was mostly idling during that 8 hours where I just check to see if I got any new emails by checking EA+ counter and Notification history. But still, that's impressive. Not pretty-face like Sony, but impressive in terms of geek-face functionality
apallohadas said:
Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!
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Sorry bro, missed you post.
1) In a Quick Setup picture I posted, the middle setting on the left inverts the color. Also, NE Manager has an option to Invert LCD "where appropriate", and I assume it's tied up with a light sensor.
2) I think as technology will become more mainstream, the price will go down. Right now $130 is actually discounted from their usual $180 price. In my opinion Sony's MN2SW recent discount/price drop to $99 (I'm sure in lieu of slow sales and/or announcement of new smartwatch in the upcoming Asia EXPO) is more reasonable for this technology. Prime Time ready? I think software content is the main driving force and probably the reason why Apple, Samsung, and Google hasn't announced anything yet. Hardware is the easiest part in this case. The only way to be prime time ready is to have a strong app/widget and solid software/firmware content. That explains success of MetaWatch and Pebble open source release, and also recent announcement by Sony to open their code source for some devices. For sure, its Geek Time ready
3) Yep, have OBDII bt dongle and Torque premium. Unfortunately, never get a chance to use it in the car because I run Google maps Nav all the time. Both of our Nexus 7 tablet in use by wife and kids (those have bt connection), and my other cheap tablet doesn't have bt. But in general that app is SICK!!! Btw, MN800 thingy from Sony (I got it for $20 of ebay - nice teaser of Sony's smart watches) has a free Torque app/widget which connects to your phone and can give you a remote view of one of the gauges. I might just end up using it that way
As a side note, having these bt smart watches puts some toll on your battery. Considering that I had to install K-9 and TouchDown in order to access unread mail count and constant BT connection - that can cost you an extra 10%-15% of battery a day. More advantage to use ZeroLemon 9300; just wish those guys would release a rugged case soon!!!!
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As a side note, having these bt smart watches puts some toll on your battery. Considering that I had to install K-9 and TouchDown in order to access unread mail count and constant BT connection - that can cost you an extra 10%-15% of battery a day. More advantage to use ZeroLemon 9300; just wish those guys would release a rugged case soon!!!!
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Good point. I started using a Motorola Roadster 2 bluetooth speaker in my patrol car. Just 100% awesome, but it does take it's toll a bit on battery as you mentioned. Perhaps 10% on a heavy day of calls and getting in/out of the car waking up the bt connection, etc.
Time for me to take a look at that Sony watch now!
I think this watch has a lot of promise as soon as development kicks in more and more same as pebble one. As far as the sony Mn2 looks good but with the motoactv ypu can do the same as the sony and more by rooting the device where all the info is here in xda. One thing I like about the metawatch and pebble is the water resistant part were y o u can swim with it or take showers with it and still control your music player or so from the water. Time will add more and more of this smartwatches and better features.
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Thanks vectron. Yes I am running s/w version 1.35.
When I purchased my watch everyone on eBay was selling hardware version G. I purchased mine from the official site and received hardware E.
Apparently people on the support page / metawatch forums are getting 3 days of battery use i.e running 14 hrs a day @ an average of 5 messages per hour with h/w G.
From my research, h/w E's are the ones with issues. I have both the black and white frame metawatch and both are suffering from poor battery life.
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For that price the watch is very limited.
I got the Motorola Motoactv when it was on sale for $150, it came with the wrist strap, belt clip, and heart rate monitor. It's full color touch screen, and runs android. I get 2-3 days out of the battery.
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coquipr said:
I think this watch has a lot of promise as soon as development kicks in more and more same as pebble one. As far as the sony Mn2 looks good but with the motoactv ypu can do the same as the sony and more by rooting the device where all the info is here in xda. One thing I like about the metawatch and pebble is the water resistant part were y o u can swim with it or take showers with it and still control your music player or so from the water. Time will add more and more of this smartwatches and better features.
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Yes, I think full water protection is an awesome feature. But the ability to view display in direct sunlight and under any indoor/outdoor condition - that is priceless. Plus you can set it up to turn the backlight on whenever you receive a message so even in the dark you can view your notifications. Haven't heard much about motoactv as a smartwatch since it always referred to as exercise watch, but I just looked up and see references how to enhance it's functionality with a rooted phone and augmented smartwatch app to get all the notifications and to be able to use it with any other phone beside Motorola.
Btw, my Note 2 is not rooted. Because of my work's Exchange security policy, I'm not allowed to root. So everything is stock and works as is.
And yes I do agree, with time we are going to see more and more new smartwatches. As a matter of fact, MetaWatch guys mentioned they are working on a lot of new updates, including new "sexy" hardware. I will definitely give them a benefit of a doubt. They were first out of the door, kept their kickstarter promise, and have a head start for next gen learning from experience of the current gen.
Wondering if any of you guys have had the Gear 2 before purchasing the Moto 360.
I'm interested in the round screen as well as Android Wear. But I'm not able to really find any reviews of someone who has really used both devices day in and day out.
I've have Pebble, loved it! But never put it back on after the Gear 2 purchase. I don't think Tizen is a lost cause, I see new apps coming out all the time. But, I think maybe Android Wear is the way to go, for the long haul.
So, has anyone used both devices for some period of time?
Thanks!
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Wondering if any of you guys have had the Gear 2 before purchasing the Moto 360.
I'm interested in the round screen as well as Android Wear. But I'm not able to really find any reviews of someone who has really used both devices day in and day out.
I've have Pebble, loved it! But never put it back on after the Gear 2 purchase. I don't think Tizen is a lost cause, I see new apps coming out all the time. But, I think maybe Android Wear is the way to go, for the long haul.
So, has anyone used both devices for some period of time?
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I have used both, and I liked the Gear 2 better. The software is just much more functional, and battery life is great.
Also, the Gear 2 had some neat features that the 360 didn't have (camera, speaker, IR blaster to control all of your audio/video equipment etc...).
I still think Android Wear will be the way to go, but for now it's not as useful as the Gear IMHO...
I had the 360 and went to the Gear 2. It is a much better and refined watch in my opinion. The Speaker, Amoled screen as well as the Android like Tizen, provide a pleasant experience for me. And the incredible battery life, wow! Doing chores around my house while waiting to talk to a customer support agent on my watch is such a revolutionary thing for me as well.
I had the opposite experience.
Camera function is useless on Gear 2.
You can't feel the vibration when you're doing anything with your hands using the G2.
Never bothered to use the IR because the OS on the G2 is clunky and slow.
I do miss the speaker option because you can take calls.
And battery life.
App support for the G2 is AWFUL.
S-Voice is horrible and slow.
G2 is much heavier, but the band is better (debatable).
I can go on for days, but I only had the 360 for almost 24hrs now so I'm still getting used to it.
Is camera function that bad? Since I don't have a waterproof phone I thought having a camera on my risk for our doors and pool beach play with the kids
would be a great solution. I dont really need the picture quality to be perfect or SLR quality but enough for social sharing. Pls comment .. Tq
I hear google voice search can be made to works too on the G2 so I suppose there can still be some google integration.
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I had the opposite experience.
Camera function is useless on Gear 2.
You can't feel the vibration when you're doing anything with your hands using the G2.
Never bothered to use the IR because the OS on the G2 is clunky and slow.
I do miss the speaker option because you can take calls.
And battery life.
App support for the G2 is AWFUL.
S-Voice is horrible and slow.
G2 is much heavier, but the band is better (debatable).
I can go on for days, but I only had the 360 for almost 24hrs now so I'm still getting used to it.
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Is camera function that bad? Since I don't have a waterproof phone I thought having a camera on my risk for our doors and pool beach play with the kids
would be a great solution. I dont really need the picture quality to be perfect or SLR quality but enough for social sharing. Pls comment .. Tq
I hear google voice search can be made to works too on the G2 so I suppose there can still be some google integration.
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Here's a link to the Gear 2 thread to "Show off your pics".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2722717
They look pretty good to me!
I had the gear 2 and now I have the moto 360, this is a trade off at the moment, as far as voice recognition moto is much better, the style I think is much better. The gear 2 is like a swiss army knife, it's much more feature packed and its management of emails and text is better.
If andoid wear catches up the moto will surpass gear 2
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Is camera function that bad? Since I don't have a waterproof phone I thought having a camera on my risk for our doors and pool beach play with the kids
would be a great solution. I dont really need the picture quality to be perfect or SLR quality but enough for social sharing. Pls comment .. Tq
I hear google voice search can be made to works too on the G2 so I suppose there can still be some google integration.
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The camera is quite good. It also take 720p video. No Google now as of yet, unless you use Tasker.
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I had the gear 2 and now I have the moto 360, this is a trade off at the moment, as far as voice recognition moto is much better, the style I think is much better. The gear 2 is like a swiss army knife, it's much more feature packed and its management of emails and text is better.
If andoid wear catches up the moto will surpass gear 2
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I too had both. And agree with the above statement.
I don't personally have a Gear 2, but a friend of mine does.
The camera isn't very good. And honestly I cannot for the life of me figure out why you'd use it over your phone unless you were trying to do something devious. The one time my friend used it that was some what useful was to take a picture of our parking lot area number when we were at a convention.
But I mean...I had my phone out and could have done it in two seconds.
I don't quite get people wanting to replace their phone with a smart watch.
If you said "Gear 2 has better battery life, that's why I went with it", no debate, totally understand that.
But to say you like it better for a speaker and a camera? Geesh.
As someone who has seen both watches in use...
Gear 2, better battery life, wouldn't be caught dead in public wearing it (my friend looks like a dork among dorks).
360, looks like an actual watch, worse battery.
That's it.
The gear 2 is a completely crippled piece of hardware. In typical Samsung fashion they just cram it with as many features as possible hoping that at least one of them will grab someones attention so they can make the sale. Funny how this amazing strategy clearly isn't working when they are showing losses as of last quarter.
The crippling I'm referring to is Tizen, which will be obsolete in 6 months or less. How arrogant of Samsung to think they can write thier own OS and take on Android. They can't even get their android based OS down, and now they are writing a new OS from scratch?
And the nail in the coffin is s voice. One of the worst user experiences I have ever seen. Its slow, unintelligent, and not helpful in any way whatsoever. You can't even respond to an email wtih the gear 2.... Give me a break. I respond to everything on my Android wear watch, including chat programs such as groupme. Better battery life on the gear 2? Yes. S voice? Blows the entire package out of the water.
Have the Gear 2 Neo, just picked up the Moto last night to try.
Design: Clearly Moto Wins with round display.
Display Quality: Gear 2, so much better just not round.
Voice Recognition: Moto hands down
Interface Usability: Gear 2 is so much easier to use aside from voice control. Android Wear is so immature
Battery Life: Not even a competition, 4 Days+ on the Gear 2, after 10 hours I'm at 40% on the Moto.
Apps: Gear 2 by a hair, but both suck
Charger: Moto Charger is very cool, Gear 2 is annoying
Calls: Moto is Useless, No speaker, if you want to answer calls your only choice is Gear 2.
Messaging: Moto wins only because it will let you reply to Hangouts which is all I use, both are really bad as messaging
Performance: Gear 2 wins, Moto lags a lot
Watch faces: Gear 2 has far more options for customizing watch
Navigation: Both are terrible right now, but Gear 2 with a speaker has clear potential advantage. Moto will always be useless.
Gear 2 features you can't replicate on Moto:
IR control, kind of a gimmick, but fun to play with at your local bar and drive you bartender nuts
Voice call, ummm Android Wear, what were you thinking.
Summary:
The Moto is a beautiful watch, but between the battery life and the lack of a speaker I will probably return it and stick with my Gear 2, it's just a more useable mature product.
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I don't personally have a Gear 2, but a friend of mine does.
The camera isn't very good. And honestly I cannot for the life of me figure out why you'd use it over your phone unless you were trying to do something devious.
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A few situations come to mind where you don't want to risk your phone flying out of your hands. Roller coasters, surfing, Sky diving to name a few. Maybe your life is too boring. Lol. Personally I like the design of the Gear 2 better. The 360 looked like a hockey puck strapped to my wrist.
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I traded my gear 2 for this. Everyone is right about battery life it does suck. Like 10-12 hour suck if your lucky. On the gear 2 you get a notification and if you ignored it it would go of the main screen. Basically if you ignored the notification and the display went dark next time you flick you wrist you would have a clear view of the time. With the 360 no matter how many times you flick your wrist that notification is still there and it wont go away without swiping it away which gets old after a while. I kinda miss the speaker and dedicated away from the phone for a while music player. Can't speak for the vibration problems people are having and ir blaster since I didn't use much to care if it wasn't there. My kids are mad because no camera now but not that big a deal to me. One last thing it comes with a day one update that needs 80 percent to attempt. Mine came out of the box at 6 percent. That reminds me it get wildly inconsistent charging rates. Sometimes it's like 30 minutes to 100 percent other times it sitting on the charger all night and I go to leave and it won't turn on because it stopped charging for some reason. But anyway you can't even use thing as a watch until the update it just says it won't connect. The screen is nice but not for the trade off the we are getting with battery life. Would I still trade my gear 2 for this. Yes best solely on looks right now. Maybe software can fix some of what's wrong
I also went back to my gear 2....I loved the 360 look feel etc, but it was hard to justify the 250 price tag....also considering how hard I am on devices I think I'll just use the gear 2 into the ground and hopefully by then something that comfortably gets me through the day with battery is out. I do drive 3-4 hours a day or more so maybe the crappy battery life has to do with that. It is almost a full day but when I am afraid to look at my watch so I can conserve battery I think it loses its usefulness.
Is it worth it to trade my gear 2 for a moto 360?
I had gear 2 neo before having the moto 360... The only thing that I see gear neo is better that is battery life and the screen as Amoled.. Other than that it a useless especially the tizen OS!
Thought about getting a gear 2 but biggest most massive issue with any of samsung none wear watches are you gotta have a Samsung Device and I've got a nexus 5. Have a lg g watch with my 360 I rarely use the g watch even though it has a better cpu.
Samsung is also really really bad about updating their devices or even providing proper organized device source so you could make a update yourself.
Argument on a speaker on your watch I find silly rather have a nice Bluetooth headset lot less background noise. Heck I'm looking at the bragi dash when they come out!
Hi,
I'm hoping to buy an android wear smartwatch soon but I'm torn between the Moto 360 and LG Urbane. I'm leaning towards the Moto 360 mainly for the larger screen and wireless charging. But not 100% keen on the bottom bar even though I know it's needed and the design can't work without it but does spoil the design somewhat though some watch faces seem to work well with it.
I generally prefer the design of the 360 over the Urbane, though screen is slightly better resolution on the Urbane thought would prefer the bigger screen. I just want to know what the Moto 360 is like to use daily and if the bottom bar really is much of an issue and would you rather get the Urbane?
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I'm hoping to buy an android wear smartwatch soon but I'm torn between the Moto 360 and LG Urbane. I'm leaning towards the Moto 360 mainly for the larger screen and wireless charging. But not 100% keen on the bottom bar even though I know it's needed and the design can't work without it but does spoil the design somewhat though some watch faces seem to work well with it.
I generally prefer the design of the 360 over the Urbane, though screen is slightly better resolution on the Urbane thought would prefer the bigger screen. I just want to know what the Moto 360 is like to use daily and if the bottom bar really is much of an issue and would you rather get the Urbane?
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Not much of an issue to me.. I guess its personal. I realize something that I prefer in the Moto 360. In comparison to the LG watch R, the cards in it tends to get cut off, which it will not happen in moto 360.
Just got a black one yest from a closing radio shack for 125. I already have a pebble steel, but i kinda like the android wear exp.
I got one today. I returned a pebble steel with a broken button. I've had it for a few hours now. I will be returning it this evening and getting another Pebble Steel. If I can convince them to give me a full refund, I might wait for the Pebble Time.
When I brought the 360 home, it was at 12% battery life. This was to be expected. I was able to turn it on for about 30 seconds before auto-shutdown. I set a timer. It took 2 hours and 33 minutes to fully charge. It immediately wanted to upgrade after turning it on and completing setup. (v5.0.2)
It has been 4 hours and I'm down to 27%. Granted I've used the watch more than I normally would as I get used to the menus, but this is not acceptable. If I reduce it to what I consider to be normal use, it will not last the day.
The watch is glitchy and doesn't always register touch. When I am able to navigate to the menu I want, the watch will frequently and randomly vibrate and shut itself off while I'm in the middle of something (the same behavior as it I had covered it with my palm). This is beyond annoying.
About 50% of the time, the watch fails to turn the display on when I lift my arm (the standard lift and rotate gesture shown on the youtube videos). I've put this through extensive testing, and the exact same gesture (what I've found to be the most effective) is only effective about 50% of the time.
The heart rate monitor doesn't work. The strap is on tight and I have actually cleared a part of my arm of hair to test it. I have never been able to get a successful heart rate. I even got my girlfriend to try it. The lights on the back come on, but nobody is home.
Most of the best watch faces and apps require a purchase. I suppose this is by intention (the designers do deserve to profit from their designs). But the real annoyance is that there is a lot of bait-and-charge software too. Software that claims to be free on the Play store, only to find it severely handicapped until you pay via an in-app purchase. AFAIK this is a big kick in the teeth for the Android Wear community and a major drawback. It won't turn away the hardened Android fan-boys who already have invested in the apps they like, but it will turn of a lot of people on the fence. If you are gonna charge for your app, at least be up-front about it. Its shady as hell.
Furthermore, I've detected that there appears to be a lot of very similar watch faces. The comments and reviews indicate that there is rampant design theft and doesn't appear to be any checks in place to prevent this. As such, I have no idea that when I am purchasing a watch app, that I'm giving money to the original artist or a plagiarist.
Not all circular watch faces will render correctly. The "flat tire" utility bay will cut some of them off.
The watch is not visible in direct sunlight. I don't care what the reviews say. I was outside in the bright sunlight today and I could barely read the watch face.
The vibration is not strong enough. When the Pebble Steel vibrated, it was very strong, but not intrusively so. This watch I can hardly even feel when I'm expecting it. Not acceptable.
Step counter doesn't work, but this is to be expected. Even the Pebble Steel was off. I've always maintained that wrist based pedometers are a fad and can't tell what your legs are doing.
Sorry for being critical, but you did presumably ask for honest opinions. I suppose it is subjective, but the 360 isn't for me. It feels very Beta. Maybe the 360 2 will get it right, but this watch is a pass IMO.
I been wanting a new gadget to play with.
I bought someone's NIB black refurb off CL for $120. So far it's been a cool experience. I don't regret my purchase. YMMV it's a personal thing.
I bought a SONY smart watch. Turned it on, could figure out anything, couldn't get it pair. Turn it off, left it in the shopping bag somewhere.
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Sorry for being critical, but you did presumably ask for honest opinions. I suppose it is subjective, but the 360 isn't for me. It feels very Beta. Maybe the 360 2 will get it right, but this watch is a pass IMO.
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Anyone with a 360 could have told you now was not the time to buy...
Motorola still haven't figured out the 5.1 update, and the previous update seriously hurt battery life and the tilt-to-wake function. Right now we're all in the same boat, just trying to keep the thing working properly till the end of the day...
The original software on the 360 was very responsive and had good battery life so we know it can work, but our only hope now is that Motorola's team of trained chimpanzee coders manages to set it right.
Hey everyone,
So I like to bike maybe once a week and have typically used Map My Ride or Strava to, well, map my rides. But I'm on Project Fi now so am becoming a miser with my data. I was thinking of getting a SW3 and using GhostRacer and the built in GPS to handle that but wanted to see if it is still worth it. I know the 360 Sport is around but the reviews haven't been stellar. Assuming the price is in the $100-$125 range is it still worth it?
I do also go to the gym a couple of days a week so keeping music on the watch and using headphones is a plus as well.
Thanks,
I owned both SW3 and Moto 360 Sport, however I just sold the 360 Sport yesterday because the battery drained on it a lot faster than on the SW3. I prefered the look of the Moto 360 Sport over the SW3 even though I own the SS, Universal strap and silicone strap for the SW3. Both are also water resistant.
Here is a breakdown of pro and cons.
The display of both watches are similar other than round vs square, however the Moto display is a bit nicer with more vibrant colors and while in ambient mode it's in color vs b&w.
Moto 360 Sport also has a built in optical HR monitor SW3 does not.
SW3 has replaceable watch band, infinite combination, Moto 360 Sport comes in White, Black, and Orange and you can not replace the bands.
Again, battery life is night and day better on the SW3 additionally you can charge is with any Micro USB cable vs a proprietary wireless charger. Additionally SW3 charges really fast, almost 2X faster than Moto 360 Sport.
SW3 has built in NFC, you can't do much with it now but future updates may give you more options.
I haven't used either watch with the headphones, so I can't comment on that aspect of the watch.
So I would say go with SW3 and save some money, you'll have no regrets.
Had the SW3 for about 6 months now and I love it. I use it for tracking runs, playing music paired with BT headphones and for keeping track of my appointments. It's great for the price, but I suggest holding out a while longer until announcements for support (or lack thereof) for Android Wear 2.0 come out. Motorola has confirmed it won't be getting the software update for the 1st gen Moto360, so there's a good chance the SW3 won't either..so you might be better off getting one of the newer models. I'm thinking the price might still go down if it won't support AW 2.0, but if it does, at the current price it's a steal.
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Motorola has confirmed it won't be getting the software update for the 1st gen Moto360, so there's a good chance the SW3 won't either..so you might be better off getting one of the newer models.
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Because first gen has bad processor and bad battery.
SW3 has same processor than Moto 2nd gen and other actual wear watch.
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Because first gen has bad processor and bad battery.
SW3 has same processor than Moto 2nd gen and other actual wear watch.
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I won't get my hopes up. It may have the hardware requirements , but seeing as the SW3 was the last of the 1st gen devices to get the recent android update, Sony may not be too keen on putting any more effort into the device. Still a great device for the price it's going for now though, and a good entry point into Android Wear for minimal $. Just bear in mind that when purchasing any piece of tech, it's bound to become obsolete in a year or so, simply because that's how fast technology is evolving. Hardly anything is future-proof these days.
I have this watch for a couple of months now and yes I absolutely love it. Might even buy a second one, for no other reason than having a spare, just in case. I'm sad that smart watches aren't really popular - I'd love to have a SW3 with better hardware and a heart rate sensor - but this watch is great. I use it for stuff like skating and thanks to the great location tracking, I can safely leave my phone at home, and when I'm back it will sync my whole route. This took a looong time the last time I did it, but ok, I rode for 30km so that's probably a lot of data to sync. Now I can see my entire route back on Google Fit. I really love that.
As a sysadmin I also use my watch for easy notifications, and for dispatching tasks to Tasker, using WearTasker. It's great that I don't need to take my phone each time I get a notification. This also applies to when I'm driving - using my phone when I'm on the road is something I absolutely never do, and now, when I get a message, I get it on my watch, so at least I can see if it's something urgent.
The voice capabilities work well enough to also make this a lovable feature.
The rubber wrist band fits nicely. I also bought a, what's the name, the plastic thing in which you can fit a band of your own choice. But I like the rubber band a lot more.
The display works great with a screen protector and the light sensor also works good.
All in all.. what's there not to love about this watch?
Have had mine for about seven months now. Overall I'm very happy with the watch and will probably (hopefully) keep it for a long time.
I'm most impressed by the battery life, which is great, and the durability of the display. I'm very neurotic about my phone's screen, always using tempered glass protectors, but I've worn the SW3 without any kind of screen condom pretty much all the time for over half a year, and the display still looks like brand spanking new. Thing is tough, is what I'm saying.
I just went through all of this myself when my original SW3 broke. I went through all of the available smartwatches and started narrowing them down. I like running but hate taking my phone because of its size (6p). I found an awesome Amazon Warehouse deal on a 360 Sport. The band is a deal breaker. Plain and simple. Its awful. Everything sticks to it and it was uncomfortable for me. This wouldn't be an issue normally, but you cannot replace the band...ever. Also, potential issue with the 360 Sport is IP67 water resistance vs IP68 on the Sony SW3.
I also tried the Samsung Gear S due to its IP68 rating and heart rate. While the fit and finish is above and beyond what the SW3 has to offer, I missed the always-on TFT screen, Wear, Google Now (voice commands work amazingly well), and my customized Watchmaker Premium face (with Tasker integration .
I would still choose the SW3 today due to these things: battery life (2 days not uncommon), TFT display (always on without killing battery-visible in direct sunlight), ambient light sensor (I'm looking at you Huawei and Asus), microUSB charging (yes, it's kinda a pain, but you can charge anywhere-getting a right-angle USB cable helps make it less annoying to plug in), and interchangeable bands (I have 2 bands now. They are comfortable for me and quick clasp). Lack of heart rate does not bother me b/c I don't think any wrist-based HR is accurate enough to matter.
Note: I use my SW3 with headphones all the time. Works great. Syncing music is cake with Play Music, though, since it has USB, I would prefer if it supported MTP and you could just drag and drop whatever straight to the device. Definitely not a problem, just annoying to have to wait for all your offline music to sync over BT.
My main issue with my SW3 is the very very.... poor readability indoor in dim mode. With low light it is very difficult to read. And with only black & white dim mode most of the wear face are very bad. Even the pebble time LCD screen color is much better
Good outdoor 1% of the time but bad indoor 99% of the time.
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My main issue with my SW3 is the very very.... poor readability indoor in dim mode. With low light it is very difficult to read. And with only black & white dim mode most of the wear face are very bad. Even the pebble time LCD screen color is much better
Good outdoor 1% of the time but bad indoor 99% of the time.
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I will say that the LCD in the SW3 is not the best for viewing angles and resolution. However, readability is never an issue for me. The main reason is the ambient light sensor. I tried a Zenwatch 2 (which is a nice watch for the money), but the lack of the ambient light sensor meant the screen was always too dim or too bright. I don't want to fiddle with brightness every time I go outside or back inside. Yes, the always on TFT mode is going not the greatest for inside, but that's not its point. Still, sitting here at my desk under weak, florescent light, I can read it perfectly at a glance. That is another selling point for this watch. It is fairly useful as a watch...lol.
I am bit disappointed with my SW3, or more with Android Wear actually.
Besides notifications I have not been able to find much use for it. I had Pebble for two years and loved the way it handled notifications, with a certain third party app though. IMO Android Wear is quite clumsy and I miss more customisation options especially with the way notifications are handled. My battery lasts about a day and a night. For a smartwatch I guess that is not bad but I do miss Pebble's several days of juice.
So I am not sure if I would buy one now that I have used SW3 for few months...
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Which Smart Watch?
I own the Sony S3 Smartwatch, the Samsung Gear S2 and two Moto 360 2nd generation watches. Yes, I have four smart watches for no reason other than I love gadgets. I also owned the Huawei smart watch for about a week before I exchanged it for a Moto 360. The Huawei is great but I have huge wrists. So the Moto looks best on my wrist. Anyway, I use each watch for different activities. Each watch has it's pros and cons and correlates directly to which activities they are best for. For instance, the Sony Smartwatch has the best waterproof rating. So I wear the Sony to the beach and for playing beach volleyball (any activity with the possibility of submersion). The Sony is also one of the only watches with on-board GPS. That's great when you want to track your movement without lugging the phone around with you. The Samsung Gear S2 is probably the most versatile and it's sort of a hybrid between a sports watch and a casual dinner watch (depends on which band you install). The Samsung works great in every aspect and is probably the best overall performer but you cannot wear it as a luxury piece. It just does not have the look of a luxury piece. That's where the Moto 360 2nd Gen comes into play. The Moto performs great but you don't want to wear it playing beach volleyball. The Moto is designed to look like a luxury time piece and it looks the part. Of course the stock straps with the Moto are absolute garbage. You will want to order good thick leather straps online (or nice stainless steel). Once you have installed the new 3rd party strap your Moto will look very much like a fine time piece similar to a Breitling, Tagheur, Omega, etc.... Then you just need to use the Watchmaker premium app to download hundreds of custom watch faces that resemble luxury time pieces. In conclusion, if you want the smart watch solely for exercise I suggest the Sony S3. If you want a very nice (large) watch that looks like a Rolex I'd suggest the Moto 360 (46 mm). If you want a smart watch for the office and exercising I'd suggest the Samsung Gear S2. Most importantly, all three of these watches are top performers with good processors and great screens. So the only thing that differs greatly is the appearance of the piece itself.
I'm wondering how many of you have a smartwatch with your Pixel 2 (XL) and what kind it is? I'm shopping for a smartwatch now. I LOVE the look and feel of the Nixon Mission and it's waterproof for up to 300 feet I believe( I'm not a diver but I hate taking my watch off to swim), but the price sucks, I also love the look and feel of the Samsung Gear S3 Frontier. I really want one that is waterproof as can be. I don't really care for taking calls on my watch. But I do love the notifications I can get on the watch. I really want good battery life. Just want to know what you all think of your watches if you have them....
Would love some feedback!
I've got a Gear S2 Classic - if I use the always on display, then I get about a day and a half of battery life. That extends to 4 days if I turn off the AOD.
Here are the pros:
Getting notifications on my wrist is perfect when I'm in a meeting. It allows me to discretely check to make sure it's not important without pulling out a bright 5" phone screen.
I wake up at a different time than my wife every morning. I can use the watch's vibration as a silent alarm while it's on my wrist.
I can change the watch face and bands to match my outfit. Dress it up with a metal band when I wear a suit or keep it casual with a black leather band when I'm wearing jeans.
Here are the cons:
Price - I got mine from an eBay user who never wore it and just wanted to sell it for cheap, so I only paid $150. I could never imagine paying full retail prices for these things.
If you try to use anything other than the smart reply features to incoming text messages, you'll hate typing on it.
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I'm wondering how many of you have a smartwatch with your Pixel 2 (XL) and what kind it is? I'm shopping for a smartwatch now. I LOVE the look and feel of the Nixon Mission and it's waterproof for up to 300 feet I believe( I'm not a diver but I hate taking my watch off to swim), but the price sucks, I also love the look and feel of the Samsung Gear S3 Frontier. I really want one that is waterproof as can be. I don't really care for taking calls on my watch. But I do love the notifications I can get on the watch. I really want good battery life. Just want to know what you all think of your watches if you have them....
Would love some feedback!
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Speaking of battery life in a smart watch, never go for a watch with android wear! The OS sucks. Tizen OS is just better in every way. So Samsung Gear S3 is the best when it comes to battery life & user experience, Not to mention that rotating dial for navigation which is very very convenient. As for as the looks Huawei watch 2 is awesome.
P.S: i dont use a smart watch.
Digital DJ said:
I'm wondering how many of you have a smartwatch with your Pixel 2 (XL) and what kind it is? I'm shopping for a smartwatch now. I LOVE the look and feel of the Nixon Mission and it's waterproof for up to 300 feet I believe( I'm not a diver but I hate taking my watch off to swim), but the price sucks, I also love the look and feel of the Samsung Gear S3 Frontier. I really want one that is waterproof as can be. I don't really care for taking calls on my watch. But I do love the notifications I can get on the watch. I really want good battery life. Just want to know what you all think of your watches if you have them....
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I had a LG G watch but the battery life on android wear is just too ****ty. I want a Samsung gear s3 frontier
I use a Polar M600, which suits me very well, but I don't think it's for you. It has all the attractiveness (or lack thereof) of a running watch, which it is, but it also does everything I want a general-purpose smart watch to do.
As has already been pointed out, no Android Wear watch offers truly great battery life. Getting through the day is the best you can hope for with AW.
My own personal oddity is that I prefer watches with a light background, so I avoid OLED displays, which need to be kept as dark as possible to minimize battery drain. That's one of the things I like about the Polar: its transmissive display. I'd prefer transflective, though
You might consider an activity tracker, instead of a smartwatch. The Huawei Fit, for one, looks more watch-like than most, supports notifications, and is said to be waterproof and have long battery life. I have no direct knowledge of it, so I can't endorse it, but it looks like it might meet your specs.
True, android wear sucks. (Sony smartwatch 3, Motorola moto 360 in past)
For sport Garmin and Suunto. I had Garmin Vivoactive HR, great like sporttester, weaker like smartwatch.
And now I bought Fitbit Ionic on January. Good smartwatch and sporttester in one.
I've been using an LG watch Urbane with my non XL Pixel 2. It works ok, but sometimes looses connection. I can get about a day and a half out of it but normally charge it every night.
For the past couple of weeks I've tried not using it again and leaving my Bluetooth off, and it seems to have granted me around an extra 5-6% battery compared to using the watch.
It is fun to get notifications on your wrist and reply with the Swype keyboard, but I think it's not useful enough to warrant losing the phone battery.
I haven't found any suitable replacement for my Sony SmartWatch 3. Newer smartwatch's might have a HR-censor that I don't use anyway. Even when running three times a week the watch has at least two days of battery life. If not running it will be three to four days. With my new Google Pixel 2 XL I have smartphone that match the the battery life of my smartwatch.
I use the original Huawei Watch (still the best looking smartwatch out there) and love it. The only bug I have is since I bought the Pixel 2 I can't pick up phone calls directly on the smartwatch because if that setting is on the person calling me dosent ear me for like 10 seconds when I pick up a call on the phone. Google is aware of this and says it will release a fix.
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I'm wondering how many of you have a smartwatch with your Pixel 2 (XL) and what kind it is? I'm shopping for a smartwatch now. I LOVE the look and feel of the Nixon Mission and it's waterproof for up to 300 feet I believe( I'm not a diver but I hate taking my watch off to swim), but the price sucks, I also love the look and feel of the Samsung Gear S3 Frontier. I really want one that is waterproof as can be. I don't really care for taking calls on my watch. But I do love the notifications I can get on the watch. I really want good battery life. Just want to know what you all think of your watches if you have them....
Would love some feedback!
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I've had the Samsung Gear S3 and while it was nice, if it's not a Samsung phone it does not work correctly. I switch to the Huawei Watch 2 and it's perfect. Don't listen to someone who doesn't wear one. I got about 2 days a battery on Samsung in about a day and a half on the Huawei Watch 2. Both with normal use. Battery saver can get you a lot more time with it if needed. I never use it though. Android wear is getting refresh as Wear OS soon so let's see what that does.
I have a FitBit Ionic. I'm a former Garmin VivoActive and Apple Watch user.
I don't get much into the applications because I almost always have my phone with me anyway. So far, it's been great. Battery is 5+ days easy unless you're using GPS a lot, and even then it only drains at about 8% per hour. The display is pretty nice and there's a decent amount of watch faces available with more trickling out once in a while.
It has arguably the best app for the smart sport watch segment and the HR, movement, and sleep analytics make it a pretty good fit for me overall.
Is there any androidwear or tizen nwm watch that can be trigger for a photo on google camera? I'd like to place a phone on a tripod and make photos from distance
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Everyone else is having huge issues with "Play phone voice call on watch" on my Pixel 2 XL their android wear smartwatches where apps (Phone, Duo, WhatsApp - anything that uses a BT headset) freeze for 10-15s after making or receiving a call on the phone with the watch connected?
There's many many people complaining about this since December. Here's the Google bug report where you can report it https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/71010564
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Is there any androidwear or tizen nwm watch that can be trigger for a photo on google camera? I'd like to place a phone on a tripod and make photos from distance
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Probably one in the Samsung watch store
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Probably one in the Samsung watch store
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Every Android wear smartwatches can do that, there's several apps that have that ability
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Probably one in the Samsung watch store
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Nope...there is only one apk, and that one install aditionall photo software as I could see
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I grabbed a Ticwatch S, my one issues is when I get in the car Android auto starts going crazy on my phone(constantly restarting). Must be a bluetooth conflict between car/phone/watch
Garmin watches will last weeks in smartwatch mode until you start actively tracking activities that enable the GPS.
Right now I'm wearing a fenix 5X that works well with the Pixel 2 (did NOT pay full price for it). I think some of the cooler devices out there now are the vivoactive 3 and the vivomove HR. I know people with both and they really enjoy them.
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I've had the Samsung Gear S3 and while it was nice, if it's not a Samsung phone it does not work correctly. I switch to the Huawei Watch 2 and it's perfect. Don't listen to someone who doesn't wear one. I got about 2 days a battery on Samsung in about a day and a half on the Huawei Watch 2. Both with normal use. Battery saver can get you a lot more time with it if needed. I never use it though. Android wear is getting refresh as Wear OS soon so let's see what that does.
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I also wear a Samsung gear S3 with my pixel2.
I used the same watch on the OnePlus 6 and now I'm wondering what exactly isn't working right for you. I used to own a s8 and don't see any features missing on the watch. So please elaborate [emoji4]
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I also wear a Samsung gear S3 with my pixel2.
I used the same watch on the OnePlus 6 and now I'm wondering what exactly isn't working right for you. I used to own a s8 and don't see any features missing on the watch. So please elaborate [emoji4]
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The messaging app would give me problems. Didn't show mms pics and had trouble with threaded conversation. Couldn't use Samsung voice and ok Google wasn't an option so no voice dictation. That was along time ago and I now have a Sony xz2. My Huawei Watch 2 is still going strong with that one.