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The great question:
Is it better to 1) carry extra batteries with me and just trade them out as they die but maintain the light, sleek form factor of my EVO, 2) get an extended battery that will make my phone thicker and significantly heavier (resulting in fewer case choices or cradle fit issues) or 3) get an external travel battery that plugs into my phone via USB and recharges my battery with another battery?
Well each has it's pluses and minuses:
1) Extra Batteries: The problem is, of course, transporting them. You also need to buy an external charging dock to keep them juiced and the phone has to be taken apart to replace them. With some cases such as the Otter Defender, this can be a significant hassle. As far as transporting them, it is easy to buy an unobtrusive $10 leather zippered pouch and carry them that way.
2) Extended Batteries: Easily charged in your phone and not requiring replacement during a long day, these batteries are an attractive option. However, say goodbye to your sleek and slim EVO. These add significant heft to your device and make it twice as thick. Also, unless you pay top dollar for a name brand, you risk having a "fake" product of questionable build and even more questionable capacity. Watch a video of a "Lion" battery fire and you will realize you don't want to play with cheap knockoffs any more than you would buy knockoff medicine from a guy in China to save a few bucks. And oh yeah, good luck finding a case that fits your "pregnant" evo.
3) Portable Battery Chargers: Again, these can be an attractive solution. They can come in many sizes (up to 8000 mah) and can recharge your phone even as you use it. The issue is bulk. One 5400 mah device is about the size of your EVO. So, imagine carrying 2 EVO's with you (never mind the USB cord). Compare this to carrying a spare 1500 mah battery in a small leather pouch (which you would hardly notice is even there). Also, these charge your phone using USB cable. This means a maximum charging rate of 500 ma. If you are using your phone for power intensive tasks such as Google Navigation, your phone will still run out of power even if it is plugged in.
CONCLUSION:
Weighing all of the factors, I recommend getting a couple extra 1500 to 1750 mah OEM batteries along with a wall charger (don't be cheap - these things can go boom). Simply carry them in a small zippered leather pouch you can pick up anywhere they sell wallets. A fully charged battery in your phone and just one of these "stand-bys" should get you through even the most grueling day.
The only hassle here is physically switching them out; however, that is less of a hassle than dealing with a "double-thick EVO" extended battery or an "extra EVO in your pocket" external travel battery. You should only have to change the battery out once in a 24 hour period. With the other solutions, you have to deal with their negative aspects 24/7.
You keep your slim form factor, you not are limited by case choices and you extend your power - win.
** This conclusion assumes the user will eventually have access to AC power to recharge sometime in a 24 hour period. For camping, etc, where you will be away from wall/car juice for extended period, the external travel battery may be your best choice (and you can carry it in your backpack).
It looks dumb and feels kind of bulky, but there is no way I'm turning off my phone, taking off the case, and prying off that flimsy batter door all of the time. I hate that process and feel like something is breaking every time. Big pregnant evo for me.
I still have to laugh when people talk about the added "bulk" extended batteries like the Seidio adds to the phone . Most of the time people who see my phone and realize I have an extended battery usually respond with "Well thats not that much bigger" . Im not shooting down your opinion I just feel this obsession with have a super thin phone is a bit overboard . Hell I remember years ago when phones were on the trend of being super small , hell I remember seeing one model that when it folded up I swore the damn thing was just alittle bitter than a book of matches . Now the trend seems to be bigger phones or atleast leaning in that direction (examples : HTC EVO , DROID X , Epic 4G isnt small either) . Overall like the OP outlined it comes down to a choice , longevity using all the features of the phone (bigger batter) or slim phone with "enough" power to make it through the day if you micro manage all the features on the phone . Ive tried both worlds , Ive tried the stock battery which did make it through the day but just barely . I currently have the 3500mah battery installed and I can tell you this now I wouldnt go back to the stock battery . The added size now fits the size of the phone in my mind . The phone is already tall and wide , Hell the Droid X is even taller and wider (actutal casing of the phone not the screen) . In the end its your choice and its your phone , whatever makes you happy with it you go with it . Screw what everyone else might say about it LOL
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It looks dumb and feels kind of bulky, but there is no way I'm turning off my phone, taking off the case, and prying off that flimsy batter door all of the time. I hate that process and feel like something is breaking every time. Big pregnant evo for me.
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As a business man who wears a suit every day, my biggest issue is that there is no way to carry my phone (other than a belt clip which is way too geeky for me) in my suit pocket or pants without looking like I have either breast implants or an erection.
Actually, you have your "pregnant" EVO "all the time". You only have to change your battery once Still, everyone has their preference and that's why I created the thread.
** Being a flash-a-holic, I have become quite accustomed to pulling my battery (boot loops and all) so I am probably less intimidated by the process than the average user. For me, changing a battery out takes maybe 10 seconds at the most. When compared to carrying around a thicker, heavier phone all day, the choice is clear (10 seconds of hassle vs 24/7 discomfort).
Again, no "right" answer here.
I use spare batteries. I have an extended but I hate the way it makes my phone look and feel. I keep a couple charged spares in the car at all times and another couple in my computer bag just in case. I would much rather do that then have an ugly block sticking out the back of my phone. My phone lasts well over a day on a charge so I never really end up swapping them out except for in the morning when I put a fresh one in. I usually still have about 50% left when I swap them out in the morning. I never charge my phone directly, I always just swap the battery with a fresh one and charge them with my wall charger. It only takes a minute to swap them and the daily reboot never hurts. I bought all my batteries on ebay (except for my seidio extended which NEVER gets used) and all eight of them cost me about $50 combined, which is cheaper than the one seidio.
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I use spare batteries. I have an extended but I hate the way it makes my phone look and feel. I keep a couple charged spares in the car at all times and another couple in my computer bag just in case. I would much rather do that then have an ugly block sticking out the back of my phone. My phone lasts well over a day on a charge so I never really end up swapping them out except for in the morning when I put a fresh one in. I usually still have about 50% left when I swap them out in the morning. I never charge my phone directly, I always just swap the battery with a fresh one and charge them with my wall charger. It only takes a minute to swap them and the daily reboot never hurts. I bought all my batteries on ebay (except for my seidio extended which NEVER gets used) and all eight of them cost me about $50 combined, which is cheaper than the one seidio.
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+1 My reasoning exactly.
This is purely theory, but I have the feeling that younger users and those in manual labor type jobs will opt for the extended battery, whereas those of us where we have to wear a suit to work and sit at a desk or visit clients all day would prefer the swap-out just for appearance sake. A construction foreman is not going to want to swap out a battery with dirty hands in 30 degree cold but he(she) won't mind how the fatter phone looks.
In conclusion, those more concerned with the look and feel of the phone will opt for extra oem's, those who are looking for pure utility will opt for extended.
I've had my EVO for almost a full month, and yet its still caseless and exposed because of this dilemma. I'm leaning more towards keeping it slim and having a wide variety of cases to choose from. Obviously going to something like the 3500 would require a new battery door. So, what's the maximum battery size the EVO can hold before needing the new door? I've seen 1600, 1700, 1750, 1800, and 2000 mah batteries. Also, would these slightly stronger batteries make ANY difference? I've seen reports saying those batteries are tested and not actually as strong as they say.
Thanks in advance....
AGSLight
ROOT YOUR PHONE. solves all the troubles of extra batterys. I have 4 batterys i bought before rooting. Now they just sit in different areas around the house and car because i never use them. Easily 18hours of battery with decent amount of use.
Well, I super use my phone;all day pounding.....even the Sprint extended barely makes it about 18hrs.....so I prefer the constant functionality...!
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Is this thing legit? And roughly how big is it? If it's legit, I want one to carry around in my pocket
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-iCruiser-IMP1000-Blackberry/dp/B003ZBZ64Q
How long do you plan on being in the Papua New Guinean jungle?
My God, and here the largest battery I've ever seen was 5500mAh.
As for whether it's legit, I don't see why you would think it isn't. There are about 80 reviews on Amazon from people stating that it seems to do what it says.
Personally, I'm wondering why the iPad 2 only gets 30% of the battery life improvement that the iPhone 4 does (despite them both supposedly getting the same amount of video playback time according to Apple), but I'm naturally a paranoid person, so don't listen to me.
That's just insane.
I actually was looking at one of these on Amazon a few weeks ago since I was going to be traveling a lot this year. I wanted something could fit in my pocket with my smartphone so instead I got the Duracell Instant USB Charger
http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Instant-Charger-Lithium-universal/dp/B002FU6KF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303222775&sr=8-1
Its a 1150 mah battery which takes my phone from about 30% to 100% in roughly an hour; that is plenty to get me through a longer than average days use. The only thing I didn't really like about it is the cable that comes with it is USB to Mini USB when a lot of newer phones use Micro USB. I went to RadioShack and picked up a Mini USB to Micro USB converter and I was good to go. You could use the USB cable that came with your phone but I felt having such a long cord in the pocket was a bit uncomfortable.
that battery pack isnt that large considering how much power it holds
I just received mine yesterday. I charged it up and we will see how it goes. I have the thunderbolt plus and an itouch. I was going to go with a smaller battery but figured I'd need the extra juice when away from the house or car. My wife always forgets to charge her phone or itouch and between the whole family there's 7 devices to charge.
Weight wise you will definitely notice it in a pocket but it will fit length and width wise. So far so good and I don't have any complaints. I just measured and it's 4"x4"x1.25" approximately .
I've had one of those since November, and I have to say that it works pretty well. I'm usually able to get at least 5-6 charges for my captivate out of it.
As for the size, It's small enough to comfortably fit in most pockets provided that you don't have those annoying super small, super tight pockets. It's a rounded rectangular prism that's about 3.5x3.5x1"
now alost 1500 mah? so 11000 i think it too big too heavy
Personally, if you're looking for something that big and expensive, I'd pay the extra $30 or so and get a Tekkeon MP3750. They use Lithium Polymer, and more versatile as you can add-on a 2nd battery to double size, and you can charge laptops and almost any portable or small electronic device with it. I'm not sure how many mAh the MP3750 is at 5volts, but I'm sure it's just as much or more than this 11,000 mah battery is. I've never ran mine down to empty, but I've fully charged my HD2 off it several times without putting much of a dent in it.
It's pretty portable and surprisingly light for its capabilities. Much lighter than any lithium ion battery I've had that was a similar physical size.
I got my Tekkeon 3750 from newegg.com around christmas time for around $100, I think. It was well worth it, imo. Very good build quality to it, and has many included adapters and leather case with clear plastic window so it can be used with it on. It's pocketable if you have big pockets. I'm very happy with mine. The lithium polymer gives you a lot of power in a small package.
The BIG one
I found this. 16000 mAh! 1x3,25x5,75 in (2,5x8,25x14,6 cm) and 14,6 oz (413 g). You can charge 5 items same time and it puts out 1-2,4 A in 5V. In Galaxy Tab I suppose you need an usb-adapter. I think it's quite massive, but in few days camp it's the best one
amazon.com/i-Sound-Portable-iPhone-Blackberry-Silver/dp/B00439G3WS/ref=pd_sim_e_34
By the way it seems to cost $86,11 in Amazon.
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I've had one of those since November, and I have to say that it works pretty well. I'm usually able to get at least 5-6 charges for my captivate out of it.
As for the size, It's small enough to comfortably fit in most pockets provided that you don't have those annoying super small, super tight pockets. It's a rounded rectangular prism that's about 3.5x3.5x1"
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I have deep and big pockets in my turnout gear so doubt it'll be any problem !
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Wow, That'd be one hella battery life, and yeah pretty sure it is real
Sometimes I just buy regular batteries from ebay.com and they are normally cheap except for the new smartphones like Thunderbolt or G2x.
There's this site that I visited where they also have extended batteries available for almost all the models (none for new ones yet). There's iPhone and Evo section. Check it out: http://www.mythoslife.com/2010/07/extended-batteries-for-smartphones-like.html.
That's ridiculously big
Mugen 4500mAH Battery with Extended Back Cover
TL;DR VERSION
Pros:
Really effing works
Good build quality with good materials (except for kickstand plastic)
Thoughtful kickstand on included battery cover
Well-known and respected manufacturer
Cons:
Expensive
Heavy and bulky
No matter how well-designed, it still makes the Note look ridiculous
Bottom Line:
It's a good buy. You own a Note, so you're likely not one to be too particular about fancy looks, unlike all the iPhone fans who jeered the phone/tablet/phonelet/tablone just after seeing the one Superbowl ad. It may be pricey, but you get what you pay for; I've read horror stories about cheap Chinese batteries that would make you think twice about trying them out.
LONG VERSION
This will probably be my first and only useful post on XDA for a while, as I'm not yet very well versed in rooting or installing ROMs or any of the fancy programmer stuff the forum is well associated with. I'm more of a hardware and accessories guy, which is why things like batteries, cases and car mounts all interest me more than having the most bleeding-edge firmware updates.
That said, this isn't going to be a professional review in the style of Engadget or Anandtech, with their fancy charts and pinpoint accurate usage statistics. First of all I don't have the means to do this, let alone the time. Secondly, that stuff isn't important to me; I'm just a guy who wants more battery life out of his Galaxy Note, nevermind the to-the-second timestamps of usage statistics with varying settings and applications applied. (Also I just really don't have the time!)
On to the (laymen's) review.
Phone specs
I'm not sure if this really matters all that much when reviewing battery life, but for those nitpick-y enough to care, here it is (basically, it's all stock):
Samsong Galaxy Note GTN-7000
Brightness Setting: Auto
WiFi: Always On
3G: Always On
Android Version: 2.3.6
Baseband Version: N7000DXKL2
Kernel Version: 2.6.35.7-N7000DXLA1-CL886914 [email protected] #2
Build Number: GINGERBREAD.DXLA1
Functionality
I'm a heavy user. I also use my phone a lot. Sometimes it's not even to play a game or open an app, or even to see if anything new is in the notifications bar. I just really want to see the screen on, because man oh man is the display on this phone the stuff of wet dreams!
On the stock battery I get about 14 hours of life. It's not bad, but there's a caveat; when it starts getting low, I stop using my phone except for the most crucial of SMS/calling needs. I don't turn off WiFi/3G/background apps, no. I just stop using the Note. This is why I almost NEVER unplug the phone. In fact, for more hours of the day my Note is plugged in to one charger or another: on the daily commute, it's in my car mount; at work, I borrowed the office's Blackberry Playbook wall charger (nobody uses it anyway (oh snap)); at home, it's either on the included AC USB adapter or plugged into my laptop for charging all night long. The only time it's usually unplugged is when I'm walking, out shopping/watching movies at the mall, or at a friend's place; basically, whenever I'm not in the car, at work, or at home.
On the Mugen battery, for purposes of this review, I managed just shy of 22.5 hours (the screenshots below end after 21h56m38s, but it kept going until around 9:30am). I made it a point to not plug in to any source of power during the usage period (duh). I went all out, not holding back any punches, with WiFi and 3G always on, Trillian and Google+ running constantly in the background, and racing to finish "A Storm of Swords" on the Kindle app. This is my usual usage, and I decided to throw in some 30-odd minutes of gaming, about two hours of video, and even some Google Hangout time.
I fell asleep at midnight that night and woke up at 6:00am, allowing about 6.5 hours of off-screen standby time.
Now, let it be clear that no matter what apps or services you have running in the background, the real battery killer on this phone (and I'd imagine any smartphone) is the display. I always keep the brightness setting on Auto because a big part of the experience satisfaction for me is looking at my phone, and I really don't want to have to feel like I have cataracts when I glance at the screen. On the Battery Usage screen, Display always hovers around the 50% mark for me. It only ever gets passed by Android OS when I really don't want to look at my phone, usually during times of extreme hunger or loneliness.
Given that, I'd say 16 hours with an almost constantly-on screen and 6.5 hours standby is not bad at all. And for 22.5 hours of my life, I was completely unburdened by the necessity of a source of charging. Free at last!
Aesthetics & Ergonomics
Free to look like a total bozo. It's bad enough that, for non-headset users, we have to hold a 5.3" slab of plastic and aluminum to our faces when making a call. The feeling is amplified by it suddenly becoming twice as thick as it usually is.
But we're not iPhonerds so we don't care, right?
Well, we care a little bit. You'll notice your phone doesn't lay flat on the table anymore. It looks like it floats because of the tapered design of the back cover, but that's less cool than it sounds because you know it's only floating due to its large butt. Yes, the extended case comes with a kickstand, but when you're actually using it is the only time you'll be thankful for its largeness. Worst of all, if you've already purchased accessories and car mounts for your Note, you'll find that all of a sudden none of them are compatible with your expensive phone.
On the plus side, the extra thickness does make it seem like it's easier to hold. The scale design on the back cover is not only classy but adds extra grip to it as well, and the tabs seem to snap into the grooves even more securely than the stock backplate.
Bottom Line
It's a good buy. You own a Samsung Galaxy Note, so you're likely not one to be too particular about fancy looks, unlike all the iPhone fans who jeered the phone/tablet/phonelet/tablone just after seeing the one Superbowl ad. It may be pricey, but you get what you pay for; I've read horror stories about cheap Chinese batteries that would make you think twice about trying them out.
hey bro shall we compare mugen 4500mah vs hyperion 5000mah battery??
if yes please tell me what settings ur using
like display brightness
LWP
edge/2g/3g
etc
Nice review! Still considering the hyperion battery though since I'm trying to save some money but will definitely look into getting the Mugen for long term
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Nice work. Coming from the official HTC HD2 extended battery I'm not afraid of adding extra bulk to the note. However, seeing that Mugen created cases for other phone + battery combos I'm waiting for them to do that for the Note before I pull the trigger.
Hey thanks for the feedback, guys! I'm glad it helped you in some small way.
In just received word from a Mugen representative that they're going to release an upgraded version of this battery: 5400mAh! He didn't say anything on pricing but I'm assuming it's still the same at 99USD. We'll be setting the official announcement tomorrow.
sankeerths said:
hey bro shall we compare mugen 4500mah vs hyperion 5000mah battery??
if yes please tell me what settings ur using
like display brightness
LWP
edge/2g/3g
etc
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Sure, sankeerths! My usual settings are:
Brightness: auto (but for accuracy of comparison, I'll set it to 100%)
Stock ROM, kernel, everything
3g always on
Wifi always on
the following apps are almost always on:
Onanvo
Trillian
Google+
I don't use juicedefender or other battery-saving apps.
Which is the new thickness of the note with the mugen battery?
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they're going to release an upgraded version of this battery: 5400mAh! He didn't say anything on pricing but I'm assuming it's still the same at 99USD. We'll be setting the official announcement tomorrow.
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WOOOOO!!!!!
pepeto2001 said:
Which is the new thickness of the note with the mugen battery?
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I don't have a good caliper to measure this. I have a crappy one that measures the stock thickness of the phone as 11mm (that's a lot more than the 9.65mm you can research online). With the Mugen case, it measures a hefty 21mm.
Please note that my caliper is not precise or accurate, but it's all I have at the moment and it still gives the fair approximate observation that the battery case will just about double the phone's thickness.
I actually contacted mugen if a trade in is possible. Damn I bought the 4500mah at ard USD 109, and now with higher capacity and lessser price? I feel real bad about it. haha
Hey guys, i have just read that MUGEN is upgrading the 4500mAh [HLI-N7000XL] battery to 5400mAh starting yesterday according to mugen facebook, will be able for ordering from 20th of april or something. They are claiming it to be the same size same shell only with even bigger capacity.(i guess the price will remain the same also, no idea)
Meanwhile the review of 4500mAh version in PICTURES, for those who is interested about the size:
http://www.techpinas.com/2012/02/increase-battery-life-of-samsung-galaxy.html
Is there a case which is compatible with the Mugen bulky back? I have the battery but would like to protect my phone somehow.
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iStep83 said:
Is there a case which is compatible with the Mugen bulky back? I have the battery but would like to protect my phone somehow.
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I've ordered one from ebay.....awaiting receipt and can then add pics.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110857335270?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2382wt_1139
on a different note, is it just me or is it a malfunctioning battery as my mugen 4500 mAH is not goving me anything like what the reveiws say, wondering if i shoudl contact them about it.
and i feel ripped off too as i recieved my battery last week and now they have this new one out with a 1000mHA extra !
So as it seems the underlying issue was all in these batteries of note7 and the aggressive design of the phone chassis itself - leaving little to no gaps for battery, probably not enough space for battery front and back either so batteries easily got squashed inside of the super-slim factor phone design chassis while wearing phone in tight pocket like situations and due to the fragile nature of the battery it just got affected, damaged and caught on fire like explained in latest samsung reports.
Here is the deal, I will get equivalent original samsung battery from S7Edge model etc, same 3600mAh capacity (providing the thickness is same or less than that of Note7) and with necessary modification (if applicable) to the battery terminal flex connector so it clips right in to the Note7 PCB just like original Note7 battery did, I think this should be excellent workaround for dangerous Note7 batteries!
I of course would try to perform various tests before final assembly of the phone with new battery mod in it, such as full discharge and recharge, also recharge while heavily loading phone with benchmarks, and also attempt multiple fast charging routines monitor how phone behaves with the new battery, that is - all these tests are to be done on phone fully disassembled in the worst case scenario if phone battery still would get caught on fire during the testing I would at least salvage the phone from disaster that otherwise would be inevitable when testing phone fully assembled.
Your thoughts?
I would say you should give it a go. But isn't the S7 battery bigger ? How about trying to go with the S7 non edge battery instead ? Plus I thought that some battery were not soldered properly and made a short circuit to happen ?
Source I read : https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-note-7-return-exchange-faq/
Im yet to find out about the battery dimensions/size. while s7edge appears ~1mm thinner to my observation makes me think battery design should be similar or lesser in thickness and I really expect it to be no taller/wider but that is to be confirmed later when I take it apart(if it comes to that).
If batteries do fit, all I need to do is to unwrap the shield of the note7 battery where PCB is soldered to +/- terminals and replace battery connection pcb the same way back to s7e battery.
I think s7e battery would be the best candidate as for 3600mah capacity vs 3500mah note7 capacity, even if phone some way tries to charge this battery further than 3500mah as per physical capacity of the battery it should be "safe" I think.
Where if the battery installed would be ~3000mah etc, note7 battery terminal PCB chip would probably try to achieve 3500mah capacity and charge may again result in innevitable fatality, that is unless note7 battery pcb chip registers battery capacity 3000mah as wear and tear and adopts to charge only to 3000mah without actually overcharging it.
Had some hobby experience playing with iphone 4 4s 5s batteries in the past where I would swap around pcbs with batteries and phone would work, not ideal because I didnt pay much attention which went where but it did work to great extent.
I too see that the defects ratio was not definite and more so it was one in many many thousands that had bad soldering or manufacturing practice etc missing protective layers and so on, as I observe my note7 battery is always very cold never hot even cooler than that of s7 edge so I think analogy goes to be correct, but still I rather not take much chance with it if you know where Im going with this - "WHAT IF..."
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Im yet to find out about the battery dimensions/size. while s7edge appears ~1mm thinner to my observation makes me think battery design should be similar or lesser in thickness and I really expect it to be no taller/wider but that is to be confirmed later when I take it apart(if it comes to that).
If batteries do fit, all I need to do is to unwrap the shield of the note7 battery where PCB is soldered to +/- terminals and replace battery connection pcb the same way back to s7e battery.
I think s7e battery would be the best candidate as for 3600mah capacity vs 3500mah note7 capacity, even if phone some way tries to charge this battery further than 3500mah as per physical capacity of the battery it should be "safe" I think.
Where if the battery installed would be ~3000mah etc, note7 battery terminal PCB chip would probably try to achieve 3500mah capacity and charge may again result in innevitable fatality, that is unless note7 battery pcb chip registers battery capacity 3000mah as wear and tear and adopts to charge only to 3000mah without actually overcharging it.
Had some hobby experience playing with iphone 4 4s 5s batteries in the past where I would swap around pcbs with batteries and phone would work, not ideal because I didnt pay much attention which went where but it did work to great extent.
I too see that the defects ratio was not definite and more so it was one in many many thousands that had bad soldering or manufacturing practice etc missing protective layers and so on, as I observe my note7 battery is always very cold never hot even cooler than that of s7 edge so I think analogy goes to be correct, but still I rather not take much chance with it if you know where Im going with this - "WHAT IF..."
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So basically no chance eh?
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So basically no chance eh?
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Well, whatsup with that straight "face to the wall" so well thought trough pessimistic comment?
Do you not have life to live meantime?
It seems as if the flex cables are different and the note 7 battery is narrower.
I'm disappointed there hasn't been an aftermarket manufacturer that has created a "safe" battery replacement yet.
I'm using a Verizon Note 7 that I reflashed with AT&T firmware. Since the IMEI is not an AT&T IMEI, I haven't had to worry about "green battery" or "killswitch" updates coming to the phone. Still worried daily that my house will burn down or something, however.
I think no company will provide an aftermarket battery because the market is very small. That eventually would happen if Samsung refurbished all Note7's and reintroduced them in the market. Mine (have 2) are working flawlessly without any issues
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Im not certain about sizes yet, it could be alot due to optical ilusion, as s7e and n7 are little different layout, etc - battery in the s7e is seated little further to the left (meaning more toward the center of the phone) and the camera on s7e at least to me from the first glance when compared to n7 looks more further to the right side which creates illusion of s7 battery to be wider because of its positioning. I may be completely wrong, just wanted to throw that in there though.
Also, battery from note4, S5 can potentially be used too, of course its core would need to be stripped and de-soldered from the old PCB and after that you have a naked battery pack that is still permanently safely sealed with two (positive and negative) terminals exposed ready for soldering with original note7 battery PCB and connection, providing we get enough room inside battery compartment. it all can be utilized, and even more, maybe note5, maybe s6 s6edge s6edge+ s7 and other similar sized samsung batteries of recent production years have similar measures that will make it a good potential donor? I'd say even if one can find battery of similar but not larger in size and capacity battery from any other manufacturer it should also work by the same methods of DIY, of course obviously acknowledging that the use of quick/fast-charge can be detrimental suicidal step in a way of charging the phone after any such DIY, even if it was samsung approved battery, fast charge is a fast-lane of premature battery wear/overheat and failure, such as explosions.
Here is my observations, I own few of these Note7. I have never ever once used fast charging on them knowing what it does and how it physically affects batteries, never ever had I used it on my note5 s6 s6e or s7e, I rather have my phone charge longer rather than let battery prematurely wear out sooner, and nobody knows what if S6 S7 batteries undergo the same quality testing like note7 batteries did and it was just a great matter of luck to a slight degree that not so many s6 s7's had exploded in the past due to quick charge technology used. Of course, alot of what I said is speculation, but just take that for a minute and let it sink in, think about it. Its certain - not everything that ever happens is publicized.
Ok, according to my research (call it bro-science) as it was internet based on official reported measurements of devices, I picked some stripped down samsung phones (notes and S series), adjusted these pics to represent real manufacturer reported dimensions in photoshop and measured batteries in the pictures. So far I can give rough estimates and the best to my knowledge these measures may not represent exact measures of the batteries but actual measures should be less or equal than what I have figured out. Only thing left to question is the thickness of the batteries:
We have here a patient, in a name of: Note7, this battery measures 99mm x 38.5mm
Other models I have looked at were:
S7edge 96mm x 41mm ( @MrBaltazar > you were correct regarding battery size there, its too wide )
S7 88mm x 37.5mm (looks like ideal candidate for now, especially providing extra headroom for DIY work on the top of the battery which may not come out as neat as from manufacturer)
S6 99.5mm x 46mm (too tall & too wide)
Note5 108mm x 42mm (too tall & too wide)
Note4 93mm x 39mm x 5.5mm(also seems like an ideal candidate plus its 220mah more in capacity vs S7 3000mah battery)
S7 Active 91mm x 40mm (this would be interesting @ 4000mAh ... I just am almost certain - thickness of this battery got to be greater than note7 or note4/s7 candidate battery... a strong guess)
I feel note4 may be real good choice if S7 battery thickness is more than that of Note7, and note4 battery turns out to be slimmer or the same thickness after being stripped as Note7 battery ... especially after removing the top plastic trim that holds gold plated battery terminals with battery pcb and unwrapping first layer of label with NFC antena, that should shave off additional ~0.2-0.5mm from the whole 5.5mm note4 battery thickness.
So thats that, some food for thought
Alright first off,
HOLY ****ING ****
Second off,
That's amazing
Third off,
**** you ;P
Keep up the good work mate! If you can find a system you can replicate let me know, I would LOVE to try it.
Im sure it will all work well, keep an eye out here, this actually drives me somewhat to do this. Most interesting is testing under load once all is done.
I was thinking more, and I believe S7 3000mAh battery is the best choice regardless of anything (unless S7 Active battery magically fits just the same, but its unlikely given its huge capacity it must be much thicker, but I am not sure 100% yet anyway). S7 and Note7 is of the same period/same production line, so if anything it should work the best, even with quick/fast charge when needed, as I thought today it still would be a very good feature to use if one is stuck in an emergency situation such as airport and needs a quick sufficient charge in short time - if fast charge works well - its there to use, otherwise I would still be against using it every-time, for longevity of course.
another interesting trick would be to remove Note7 battery and have it X-Rayed to see if any dangers are underlying like those explained by samsung, should be visible under high-res x-ray imaging, but I dont have access to that(yet) so I will still keep the note7 battery cell for a while until maybe I get access to such equipment.
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Ok, according to my research (call it bro-science) as it was internet based on official reported measurements of devices, I picked some stripped down samsung phones (notes and S series), adjusted these pics to represent real manufacturer reported dimensions in photoshop and measured batteries in the pictures. So far I can give rough estimates and the best to my knowledge these measures may not represent exact measures of the batteries but actual measures should be less or equal than what I have figured out. Only thing left to question is the thickness of the batteries:
We have here a patient, in a name of: Note7, this battery measures 99mm x 38.5mm
Other models I have looked at were:
S7edge 96mm x 41mm ( @MrBaltazar > you were correct regarding battery size there, its too wide )
S7 88mm x 37.5mm (looks like ideal candidate for now, especially providing extra headroom for DIY work on the top of the battery which may not come out as neat as from manufacturer)
S6 99.5mm x 46mm (too tall & too wide)
Note5 108mm x 42mm (too tall & too wide)
Note4 93mm x 39mm x 5.5mm(also seems like an ideal candidate plus its 220mah more in capacity vs S7 3000mah battery)
S7 Active 91mm x 40mm (this would be interesting @ 4000mAh ... I just am almost certain - thickness of this battery got to be greater than note7 or note4/s7 candidate battery... a strong guess)
I feel note4 may be real good choice if S7 battery thickness is more than that of Note7, and note4 battery turns out to be slimmer or the same thickness after being stripped as Note7 battery ... especially after removing the top plastic trim that holds gold plated battery terminals with battery pcb and unwrapping first layer of label with NFC antena, that should shave off additional ~0.2-0.5mm from the whole 5.5mm note4 battery thickness.
So thats that, some food for thought
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Sounds like the Note 4 battery might be the ticket. I'd be willing to try this out if I knew how to attach the note 7 flex cable to the note 4 battery, as well as disassemble both batteries.
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Im sure it will all work well, keep an eye out here, this actually drives me somewhat to do this. Most interesting is testing under load once all is done.
I was thinking more, and I believe S7 3000mAh battery is the best choice regardless of anything (unless S7 Active battery magically fits just the same, but its unlikely given its huge capacity it must be much thicker, but I am not sure 100% yet anyway). S7 and Note7 is of the same period/same production line, so if anything it should work the best, even with quick/fast charge when needed, as I thought today it still would be a very good feature to use if one is stuck in an emergency situation such as airport and needs a quick sufficient charge in short time - if fast charge works well - its there to use, otherwise I would still be against using it every-time, for longevity of course.
another interesting trick would be to remove Note7 battery and have it X-Rayed to see if any dangers are underlying like those explained by samsung, should be visible under high-res x-ray imaging, but I dont have access to that(yet) so I will still keep the note7 battery cell for a while until maybe I get access to such equipment.
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Please keep us informed on your endeavors into battery exploration.
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I am actually almost tempted to order a s7 battery and see if the connection is the same on the note 7 PCB. Then it's just a matter of bending the flex cable into place
Connectors all look identical for S6 Note5 S7 S7E , what worries me most I think the most is its the way pinouts can vary on them model to model, as I remember there's not only Positive/negative terminals , look here:
other connections are also important, and most important that it is not going to get connected in reverse which I dont want to even try, thats too precious loss if I fry anything on note7 pcb, try go and get another one of those note7 pcb's nowadays ahaha, let alone note7's !
So, all in all we can try and measure terminal voltages on both Note7 vs S7 and compare how it looks on multimeter, then try position it accordingly and expect it to be straight fit, then if all works well and flex is actually long enough - solution is found, no need anything to solder I suppose just plug in, bend flex a lil bit where necesary, making sure no sharp edges are exposed to the bent flex, no excessive pressure applied on bent flex cable before/after assembly, and for most part that the battery is right thickness and not squished in there, then its all green-lights and good to go, but just by the visuals it looks that note 7 has somewhat longer flex, and oposite facing angle, look here:
S7:
Note7:
I did not realize it would be this difficult to find authentic original non-replica s7 battery... lots places sell those but if one has half functioning brain its clear as day these are non-original... However, I did find some note4 original in samsung retail packaging and all papers batteries, which I think rather go with, which is almost local too vs. importing another second best from China/Hong Kong... so that's that... My only hopes in buying note4 battery, if its truly original and new unused not charged unabused piece is that if it will still actually hold 3000+ mah capacity off the shelf ... hope it will. I mean after all it would be dormant for 2~3 years or more, and batteries do get old and sometimes just prematurely die also...
Will keep you posted
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Updates...
So far I was very unlucky sourcing S7 battery which is my personal preference option due to this battery being most "up to date" tech variant available that should logically fit vs. the second best choice - a Note4 battery...
Also my donor Note7 is due in tomorrow as best case scenario, or latest Monday-Tuesday the 19'th-20'th of February, and I just dont feel like burning 30bucks on battery that probably does not fit by its thickness... (talking about note4 battery) , so I really want to take apart this note7 first and inspect the thickness of its original battery and the depth of the phone. What I mean in detail by that - please review this in-depth detailed report:
https://www.instrumental.ai/blog/2016/12/beyond-the-teardown-galaxy-note-7
^^^ That is allegedly a note7 illustrated right there, this gives me hopes as if I stripped plastic and NFC chip from note4 battery I should end up with just about 5mm of thickness of the naked without NCF chip and w/o labels battery. However, I need to look harder about the S7 battery thickness as my eyesight would be strongly concentrated toward that if it was of the same thickness or even better if it was just under 5mm, but I am not sure...
I also contemplated maybe even retrofitting apple iphone 6/6s or 7 battery providing it fits by its dimension and voltage measures (yea just pulled it from thin air havent measured or researched yet) , but at least talking about voltages should be bout right and capacity may be close to that of S7...
Otherwise I was even thinking removing NFC/Wireless charging mechanisms from the enclosure so the excess pressure from battery wear and tear does not build up on either old original or new replacement retrofit batteries, give or take there has to be ~10% headroom for battery expansion which was really not thought trough in note7's (or if it was there was general battery design fault that was underestimated and exaggerated expectations from engineers who designed battery had failed them prematurely...)
I have meantime located S6 battery which is way too big and it by no means going to be fitted there but I have another few tests in mind until I get my properly fitting battery alternative, just to rule out some questions and variables...
I think Chinese market fellows are up to some news regards note 7 because just lately I have noticed increase spike of note 7 cases and accessories at least on ebay, it just spiked my curiosity, what are the plans of samsung for the remaining 3+million note7's that they got back from the recall, are they by slight chance gonna push Note7S with note8 and S8 release? what are the chances of that happening?
Also I was deeply considering how would note4 battery be of a worse technology build vs S7 battery, knowing everyone who I know had note4 in the past almost every single one of them batteries had expended and died out rather soon within first year or so... I am just very cautious about this happening prematurely while retrofitted in note7 ... where as with S7 as many people I know using them and it has been about a year now of heavy use and abuse including those using quick-charge, batteries still perform ok and not swelling which is more promising when compared to note4 battery.
As lucky as I can get just by doing online hunt, I found one seller on aliexpress selling copy replacement batteries where he claims battery measurements to be ~88mm x 40mm x 5mm, and here we are talking about non original battery that is rated @ 3300mah as per sellers web page , out of which I feel it is reasonable to believe that it holds quality ~2000mah capacity knowing how all these generic batteries are made... it is real hard to find genuine battery, unless if I want to wait 60 days, I can order from China... hard hard decision on waiting vs the availability. I really am leaning forward just straight S7 battery swap with best hopes of longevity , but the quest now is to get exact measurements and fast delivery.
PS: Anybody reading this has new original battery for S7 (SM-G930 / G9300)who can ship it over to me or measure it precisely X * Y * Z ?
Thanks
I Tried Note 5 battery. Its bigger in terms of Length and width. As mentioned before flex cable is different and male/female end of connectors have been interchanged.
Out of desperation disassembled old battery and took the battery circuit out. Soldered Nokia BL-4C 3.7 V 840mah battery. Voltage of battery at full charge ~4.1V. Charging stops at 100%. I was thinking of installing something like old rom to limit charge to 60%. I will be installing wireless charging battery for the battery backup.
Its quite fun to play with it.
http://ca.crackberry.com/samsung-wireless-charging-backpack/4A123A24419.htm
manu_b said:
I Tried Note 5 battery. Its bigger in terms of Length and width. As mentioned before flex cable is different and male/female end of connectors have been interchanged.
Out of desperation disassembled old battery and took the battery circuit out. Soldered Nokia BL-4C 3.7 V 840mah battery. Voltage of battery at full charge ~4.1V. Charging stops at 100%. I was thinking of installing something like old rom to limit charge to 60%. I will be installing wireless charging battery for the battery backup.
Its quite fun to play with it.
http://ca.crackberry.com/samsung-wireless-charging-backpack/4A123A24419.htm
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Nice post, looks like you did not strip nokia battery from the nokia battery charging PCB so it literally goes two ways. I may be wrong but I believe I am not, when battery wears out on original samsung battery combination, lets say samsung s7 battery was used and abused and from 3000mah drops to ~1700mah real usable capacity, the charging chip adjusts accordingly to the current usable capacity and stops charging when receives signaling from the battery that it no longer increases in the charge capacity. Hope Im putting it out right so you can understand, I believe if you use note7 charging pcb chip on stripped nokia 800mah battery it should literally accept 800mah as total max capacity and record this "100% equivalent" memory record in to its circuit (dont know if its one way memory write though , because as if you were to add 3000mah s7 battery on the later date, the N7 battery charging pcb chip may decide only charge it to 800mah due to previous record of capacity created when 800mah battery was used...)
Its complicated I know... but thats what I would do. Otherwise, two nokia batteries if stripped could be coupled parallel (if it fits well) and you therefore have 1600mah battery) which is rather usable for at least ~ half a day off the power cable
I was also thinking about note7 wireless battery charger mod, I dont know whats inside of that battery back pack, but if there is enough space to store two S7 or S7edge batteries, that would be amazing DIY mod that would deliver ~9000-10000mah of raw juice coupled with S7 battery already installed in the N7 frame.
For most I hope tha note7 battery charging chip does not have memory recording feature on its own, so we can play with random batteries for as long as we find one working the best, as otherwise if it does have such effect - its sad news, as once you install less than 3000mah S7 battery for testing etc, you can never use 3000mah brand new batery to its full capacity, but I am only speculating here for the most part untill its tried.
While on this note - would you have another of the same type nokia battery to connect in parallel (doubling the capacity) to see if it still charges to 100% on indicator and last ~twice as long after this mod?
PS: I think time to time n7 backpack battery cases appear online on ebay for lots cheaper, worth a search there too
Also, the charging indicator @100% is fine and well, and setting limitation of charge to 60% in settings would result in 60% of currently measured capacity which I believe is pretty pointless as that was the aim of samsung safety/prevention methods, knowing batteries usually failed while in higher charge state - they tend to swell more and tight fitment inside the n7 prevents expansion therefore battery will be softly pushing against itself while theres a risk of failure at that shorting within itself due to built up inner pressure, thats why the limiting to 80% then 60% then 30% was put in place so batteries does not reach high charge state there fore does not expand as much within itself and the risks are greatly reduced, that's how I understand samsungs point of view on the issue.
Let me know what do you think
now that looks interesting ... https://www.xda-developers.com/repo...rbished-galaxy-note-7-with-a-smaller-battery/
replacing old chassis with thicker one to accommodate 3200mah battery? oh samsung
Mr.Ultimate said:
now that looks interesting ... https://www.xda-developers.com/repo...rbished-galaxy-note-7-with-a-smaller-battery/
replacing old chassis with thicker one to accommodate 3200mah battery? oh samsung
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Please please please let me know if you have any success. And if so, please send me a link to a battery I can buy (S7) so I can attempt this too
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Please please please let me know if you have any success. And if so, please send me a link to a battery I can buy (S7) so I can attempt this too
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Hey I was just typing a reply to this thread and have seen you reply to it before I clicked [Submit Reply] ...
Ok, so Im in a "triangle" situation here right now... yes I had more of them note7 on hand but now... I have only two coral blue note 7's, one is new and unused but still it is unsealed box unmodified/unupdated unit which works perfect and charges to a 100% battery etc which I intend to keep this way for later on selling it for a profit probably to some enthusiast collectioner guy...and another coral blue note7 is as good as new but it is used for few weeks by the first owner and it had this deadly update from samsung that prevented it from charging, so I have fixed this and now it is charging while still on its latest firmware and I am willing to play a little more with its firmware and so on until I decide to sell it too ... yeah I cant explain, I just enjoy reaching for some "goals", hitting them hard and then letting them go for someone else to enjoy while myself moving on, maybe weird, I know., but stay with me here for a moment. So I was thinking long and hard, and I am unable to justify splitting open my last firmware-fixed note7 that I was so anticipating on doing so ... that waterproof seal from factory means alot to me, I'd rather keep it on the phone for as long as I can, unless that would be inevitable, as I originally imagined the last note7 unit with disabled battery charging would require me to split it open to do at least battery charging up outside the phone just to get it ON so I could work on it trying to patch firmware and do some battery experiments further while Im at it, but as you may know I managed to fix it without opening it... and I few days ago (again...) I ordered myself another one of these bad boys Note7's, but this time its for real guys, its a cheap live demo unit (LDU), it should have no IMEI/no GSM radio chip and otherwise to be identical to retail units, so this is the model I will be stripping apart, most definitely, promise. Meanwhile I am really seriously thinking about learning on rom modding so I can build at least one or few fresh Note7 rom's for folks that are still out there holding on tight and giving all the love and care for their old note7's. The only one real reason is holding me back from keeping and using one of two note7 straight away and modifying it for self use is that I cannot get my hands on any dual sim note7 model (SM-N9300 or SM-N930FD), which I adore to death, literally... as my daily driver of a phone is S7edgde DUOS at the moment and it is a life saver not needing me to carry two phones everywhere I go, and any of note7's I had would make me do just that, use 2nd phone which is really not ideal at all... however dilemma in my mind goes to expect me to finally modify and use one of the two blue note7's if I will not be able to sell it for minimal no-loss profit, but for now I do not the plan on using any of them for daily use, hence my reasoning on waiting till I get Note7 LDU some time next week and give it all my tech-modifying love so I can break the IP68 water sealed back loose, probably crack it or scratch it and not be bothered about the rough love and abuse because Im about to give it, as this LDU has no such value as any of other retail units that I have... hope you's understand where Im coming from and are patient enough not to cross me over yet and wait a little more for my experiments on battery mods.
On another thought, since samsung-pay will not work and I am not sure if android pay will have any use with such heavily modified note7, I was really thinking taking out NFC/Wireless charging modules from the inside of the back of note7 to get more headroom for battery swap, plus if opportunity allows, I may as well split the chassis from the LCD screen later (if its feasible option) and measure the firewall thickness between the amoled screen and battery, see how much more I could machine off of that firewall while keeping some minimal amount of it still there for screen protection purposes, just a thought in an open wild triggered by the last samsung report regarding refurbed note7's which will receive thicker chassis, which may be ~2mm extra in thickness etc...
I did receive this case as a tester for Zerolemon and I am happy with the results that I have come up with.
The case will obviously provide more battery life and due to it being an external battery case it will be much bulkier so with the said.
PROS:
1 The case gives close to about 2 full charges of extra battery life. (I would turn the case on when my phone hit at 2% and it would take about 2+ hours to get to 100% without using the phone as it charges.).
2 The case supports pass through fast charging so the phone will fast charge when plugged into a stock Samsung charger.
3 There is no sound muffling with the speakers, Zerolemon designed the case to redirect the sound so it is not muffled and regular quality.
4. Headphone adapter plug comes with the case(If needed with L shaped headphone jacks)
CONS:
1. Bulky (OBVIOUSLY!, the case will double the thickness of your phone, while adding about an inch of length to it).
2 Due to the new dimensions of the phone the finger print scanner(which was already annoying to reach for) is slightly more annoying to reach for. The cut outs around the camera work perfectly to prevent any distortion or ghosting with pictures but due to the depth of the cutouts you do kind of have to reach for the scanner(I found that if you redo the fingerprint reader and focus more on the tip of your index finger it makes it easier)
3 The external battery does not fast charge the device itself, it would be best to leave the phone alone while charging or it wont really increase your phones battery at all depending on what your doing ie. gaming.
4. No wireless charging, or NFC while case is installed.
BOTTOM LINE:
You wont have to worry about running to find a charger with his case, as previously stated you'll be getting close to 2 FULL charges of y our phone with his kind of power. My personal biggest gripe with the case is the lack of fast charging from the case, I consider myself a power user of my phone so having to put my phone down sometimes to allow it to charge is kind of annoying but no real big deal. Case feels great in hand and I would definitely recommend this to someone looking for a battery case for their phone.
GOOD JOB AGAIN ZEROLEMON ON THIS PRODUCT!
Pictures will be uploaded soon!!
Thanks for this. I just received mine in the mail and wondering if I need to let it drain all the way before charging back up?
Also, any recommendations for a screen protector that will work with this?
Wow glad I didn't get a tester actually...
I have the Mophie juicepack and the magnetic car charger vent mount thing... It also doesn't fast charge and I only get like 1 charge out of it I usually turn the thing on at less than 20% battery and it charges to full and still has "about 25%" according to the relatively vague scale on the back of the case... Does it have a button to turn it on or anything like Mophie?
Do you have any issues with a screen protector? I had an otterbox Alpha Glass Screen protector and it ended up falling off my phone.