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Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?
Umts=wcdma=3g
universal mobile telecommunications system..based on 3g
http://www.tech-faq.com/hsdpa.shtml
Per Tech-Fac: HSDPA is associated with the various Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) networks including the Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM).
Madcap...That is good
Madcap180 said:
Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?
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If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard
its a combination of both.
rockrichard said:
If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard
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I live Center of manchester in UK, i have 100% connection to UMTS, and battery is totally dead in about 28-30hours, so no its not your bad connection!
I think 3G/UMTS just uses alot of power, and i have to say i have never used the UMTS for wat it is ment for, so i jus turn it off!!!
The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.
Pumpiron579 said:
The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.
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You say that the current rates of transfer are 2Mbits, but my understanding is that the Hermes chipset has a theoretical maximum of 1.8 with a typical 'good' speed of 1.2 to 1.5.
lol i feel like a noob, I had NO idea what UMTS was... and was scared i was roaming or somehing hahahah!
I pulled that specific info off the net....
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-umts.htm
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Madcap, those HighHeels you sent me were too small
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Please sign if you are affected or support having this problem fixed!
They're merging with Orange in a matter of months... why would they do something now?
brummiesteven said:
They're merging with Orange in a matter of months... why would they do something now?
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I was about to say that, in fact the reason I never moved over to a better T-Mobile deal was because of the crap 3g.
Speaking to orange when I upgraded to the Desire last week they reckon it will take 18 months to integrate the network so I cant see T-Mobile doing anything when plans are all ready in the pipe line
I think you should read your T's & C's, just because you have a phone, they have a network, there is no gurantee of service....
T-Mobile are currently merging their 3g network with 3UK's 3g network and that is on going and has been for 2 years.
The merger of Orange and T-Mobile will not bring about any overnight changes. In fact it may be a year or longer before any works are undertaken to merge the networks and once started it could take a year or two to complete.
I'm currently using my T-Mobile SIM in my Desire, and it's all working perfectly.. 3G is blazingly fast, MMS and SMS messages are good, calls are clear with zero drop outs.
Sounds to me like it's just a bunch of people who didn't check the coverage maps...
FloatingFatMan said:
I'm currently using my T-Mobile SIM in my Desire, and it's all working perfectly.. 3G is blazingly fast, MMS and SMS messages are good, calls are clear with zero drop outs.
Sounds to me like it's just a bunch of people who didn't check the coverage maps...
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untrue. I'm in central london, as are other users and the coverage map shows my home and office locations as 'excellent'
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untrue. I'm in central london, as are other users and the coverage map shows my home and office locations as 'excellent'
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Hi Ninja,
I work in mobile comms, mainly R&D for my companies mobile technologies for using data capture devices out on the roads. The main issues we have found with trying to transfer data in built up areas are because they are built up areas. We work in London and Birmingham and to say the least the 3G coverage we find is really sporadic, this is mainly due to the high rise buildings blocking and bouncing the signal all over the place, it has nothing to do with network coverage its just the way it is in.
Hmm, this is making me a little nervous.
I'm getting concerned about T-Mob coverage, as I've been trying to sign up as a new customer.
Hrm. Should I be cancelling ASAP?
langers1 said:
Hi Ninja,
I work in mobile comms, mainly R&D for my companies mobile technologies for using data capture devices out on the roads. The main issues we have found with trying to transfer data in built up areas are because they are built up areas. We work in London and Birmingham and to say the least the 3G coverage we find is really sporadic, this is mainly due to the high rise buildings blocking and bouncing the signal all over the place, it has nothing to do with network coverage its just the way it is in.
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I can accept that langers- but the issue myself and these folk are having is that while the HSDPA connection is fine (blisteringly fast at times), 3G is non-existent. If only it were sporadic.
I was in Bath for my easter break and had the same issue there. HSDPA was great. 3G was non-existent.
sobrique said:
Hmm, this is making me a little nervous.
I'm getting concerned about T-Mob coverage, as I've been trying to sign up as a new customer.
Hrm. Should I be cancelling ASAP?
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TBH Sobrique if you live in a city then all the providers will have the same problem, my company has used O2 and Orange and they both suffered from urban signal degradation. Being on Orange when I have been out and about I am pretty confidant I will get a signal where I am going, this includes sitting on top of a mountain in the lake district uploading my fb photos I have taken 30secs earlier. Best bet all ways check the coverage maps but bare in mind you will all ways have probs in the city (where u can usually pick up free wifi)
I've never had any such problems in Birmingham?
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untrue. I'm in central london, as are other users and the coverage map shows my home and office locations as 'excellent'
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You're either in a poor reception area, are suffering from the same kind of "canyoning" that messes up GPS, or something nearby is interfering with your signal.
T-Mobiles network is generally fine, and certainly isn't deserving of anything as silly as a petition.
Have you tried other network SIMs?
phone is locked. so i can't try other sims. Look, if you visit the tmobile thread, their tech staff have posted and said there is an issue. They know there's an issue and they're investigating. It's no ones imagination or location. As i've said, i've moved around london and the uk quite a bit. I find the problem everywhere.
So it's either our particular handsets or something more. I'm happy you have no issues, but don't dismiss those that have. I'm not endorsing the petition, i can just identify with the problem. I'd like T-mobile to address it.
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I can accept that langers- but the issue myself and these folk are having is that while the HSDPA connection is fine (blisteringly fast at times), 3G is non-existent. If only it were sporadic.
I was in Bath for my easter break and had the same issue there. HSDPA was great. 3G was non-existent.
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You HAVE to have 3g service to get HSDPA, it is a function of a 3g network. If it wasn't then you've found 2.75g as you got HSDPA in a 2g area if there was no 3g
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You HAVE to have 3g service to get HSDPA, it is a function of a 3g network.
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Someone more technical than myself would have to confirm that. All i know is that the phone connects under these different states and displays one of the following...
G - GPRS
E - Edge
3G - 3G
H - HSDPA (or 3.5g as it's sometimes known)
Yes, the last two are under the 3g family, but they must operate under a different..."band"?
I'm saying that when "3G" shows on the screen - nothing. When "H" does, all is well.
I use T-Mobile in London , used it on my G2 and now the Desire. Never had any major issues with it. I often watch you tube on the train home and its generally pretty good until I go in a tunnel.
You dont tend to hang around in tunnels do you?
My phone worked perfectly in Vienna including in the Underground stations and trains. Come back to London / SE same old problems no 3G connection.
Are people actually aware of the issue who are saying it works all ok?
paulruk said:
I use T-Mobile in London , used it on my G2 and now the Desire. Never had any major issues with it. I often watch you tube on the train home and its generally pretty good until I go in a tunnel.
You dont tend to hang around in tunnels do you?
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Heh, no
Thanks for posting though, it's just as interesting to hear people on Desire's and G2's that don't have the issue.
The thing is that i have excellent data connection when on 'H', video's browsing, etc. It's when it dips to 3G that the problem happens. This dip happens more in my office location. I'm listening to the guys who say this could be "canyoning" etc. But it's a puzzler that 'H' from the same spot is perfect, whilst '3g' is dead.
It doesn't affect me hugely as it will always eventually flick over to H, but there's a lot of time wasted, waiting for it to do just that.
langers1 said:
TBH Sobrique if you live in a city then all the providers will have the same problem, my company has used O2 and Orange and they both suffered from urban signal degradation. Being on Orange when I have been out and about I am pretty confidant I will get a signal where I am going, this includes sitting on top of a mountain in the lake district uploading my fb photos I have taken 30secs earlier. Best bet all ways check the coverage maps but bare in mind you will all ways have probs in the city (where u can usually pick up free wifi)
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I've been Vodafone with a Touch Pro, and it's worked ok. I've checked coverage, it looks good. Seen some complaints re Vodafone, and some re T-Mobile, but am slightly concerned about there being a 'tech problems on T-Mob' petition.
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Someone more technical than myself would have to confirm that. All i know is that the phone connects under these different states and displays one of the following...
G - GPRS
E - Edge
3G - 3G
H - HSDPA (or 3.5g as it's sometimes known)
Yes, the last two are under the 3g family, but they must operate under a different..."band"?
I'm saying that when "3G" shows on the screen - nothing. When "H" does, all is well.
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In Vienna I actually got Edge once come up and the rest of the time it was HSDPA and on the odd go 3G (working)
Does this device have video call over 3G network (not over 3G data, using gtalk, skype, etc.) or this funcionality is still not present in Galaxy Nexus / ICS?
Don't all phones need 3G (or 4G/WiFi) data to make video calls?
th0r615 said:
Don't all phones need 3G (or 4G/WiFi) data to make video calls?
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Video call = 3G network, not using your 3G data plan.
Skype etc = 3G data.
Which phones allow you to do that?
th0r615 said:
Which phones allow you to do that?
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I thought pretty much every 3G phone has been able to do this since 2004? At least in the UK...?
If you're talking Android, then Samsung phones can.
Also tonnes of other non-Android 3G phones, the technology has been around for around 10 years in the UK now, vaguely remember the huge brick video phones that were first on the 3 network.
Must be a UK / European thing then... I don't think I've heard of that before.. every time I've done a video call its been with either Skype or FaceTime or some other service like that. Never done it over the carrier voice network.. always over 3G Data or WiFi
My Samsung Galaxy S can do these video calls over 3G network, but Nexus S can not. So I was wondering if this could be a new functionality in GN or ICS...
I could do native video call on my HTC Touch Diamond 5 years ago.. or was it 4 years..? Anyway when it came out. And the techniqe has been around alot longer in Sweden..
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th0r615 said:
Must be a UK / European thing then... I don't think I've heard of that before.. every time I've done a video call its been with either Skype or FaceTime or some other service like that. Never done it over the carrier voice network.. always over 3G Data or WiFi
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It's not possible on Verizon, since CDMA2000 EV-DO is data only. It might be possible on AT&T, but I think I read somewhere that AT&T limits its UMTS network for data only, and uses 2G for voice.
th0r615 said:
Must be a UK / European thing then... I don't think I've heard of that before.. every time I've done a video call its been with either Skype or FaceTime or some other service like that. Never done it over the carrier voice network.. always over 3G Data or WiFi
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I think it is mainly a European concept as when I bought my HTC Kaiser (TyTN II) 4 years ago it had video calling facility via the front facing camera but the American version of the same phone did not have the front facing camera.
Basically its the same as making a voice call but you would select video call from the menu instead. As long as both phones had front facing cameras and supported video calling then you could have a video conversation over the carriers network without using data but the video calls were not part of the inclusive minutes bundle and were ALOT more expensive (around 50p - 75p a minute depending on carrier). Same thing goes for the phone before that (HTC Hermes) but I never once used either phone to make a video call lol.
With the advent of Skype and Google Talk there is really no need for carrier video calls anymore, I have never seen any per minute pricing for video calls in the carriers books for years and think its pretty much dead.
Hope that explains what the OP was asking about.
Mark.
Tjotte said:
I could do native video call on my HTC Touch Diamond 5 years ago.. or was it 4 years..? Anyway when it came out. And the techniqe has been around alot longer in Sweden..
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I had the Touch Pro and Diamond 2 (HTC Pure) on US AT&T way back then... and it included Video Calling over cellular. Of course I never used it because no one ever had it back then.
Even today I don't know anyone to video chat with except my gf's netbook over skype.
th0r615 said:
Which phones allow you to do that?
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the Euro version of i9000 and i9000M allowed that
came with build in "face time" per say to allow video chat
my SGS2 phone dialer did not include video chat, seems like they removed the feature
so it's unclear if it's going to be supported by stock ICS
Any update on 3G video call capability?
As the Galaxy Nexus is already on the market in the United Kingdom for a few weeks, and now even in Germany, I wonder, are there any updates on the capabilities of the 3G video call capabilities of the European devices? (That a US-Verizon-Galaxy-Nexus will not have 3G video calls is obvious.)
I know that the Samsung Galaxy S2 in Europe definitely supports native video calls via 3G. But does Galaxy Nexus as well?
I appreciate any helpful response.
Thank you,
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video calls
Video calls with no internet connection has been in australia for years now also. In regards to the topic question.
It would seem the galaxy nexus comes with no native video dialing free of an internet connection and no app's appear to be available for this option either. I find it to be a big disapointment when it comes to delivering options we have got used to being standard features on mobile phones today. Further more whilst the device seems to run quickly and relativly bug free it is a phone with substandard basic graphics for most of it's menus and general features. I use fring to make video calls and it seems to work fine however it does rely on an internet conection and a fring account $$$ if you wish to make video calls to people who don't have fring installed.
mysamnexus said:
Video calls with no internet connection has been in australia for years now also. In regards to the topic question.
It would seem the galaxy nexus comes with no native video dialing free of an internet connection and no app's appear to be available for this option either. I find it to be a big disapointment when it comes to delivering options we have got used to being standard features on mobile phones today. Further more whilst the device seems to run quickly and relativly bug free it is a phone with substandard basic graphics for most of it's menus and general features. I use fring to make video calls and it seems to work fine however it does rely on an internet conection and a fring account $$$ if you wish to make video calls to people who don't have fring installed.
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Video calls or a cellular network have pretty much been phased out now due to the advent of internet calling such as skype/google talk/fring/etc/etc. I remember when I had my HTC Tytn2 about 4 years ago it had video calling over cellular network but even if you could find someone else with a similar functioned phone then it was over 5 times the price per minute than an audio call and I never used it once in the 2 years I had the phone. I dont think america have ever had that function in a phone as I dont think their networks ever supported it and no british network that I know of (maybe 3 network) has video calls listed in their charges. Cant comment about Australia but its a pretty dead technology now and I cant see it making a return in England at least.
Mark.
mskip said:
Video calls or a cellular network have pretty much been phased out now due to the advent of internet calling such as skype/google talk/fring/etc/etc. I remember when I had my HTC Tytn2 about 4 years ago it had video calling over cellular network but even if you could find someone else with a similar functioned phone then it was over 5 times the price per minute than an audio call and I never used it once in the 2 years I had the phone. I dont think america have ever had that function in a phone as I dont think their networks ever supported it and no british network that I know of (maybe 3 network) has video calls listed in their charges. Cant comment about Australia but its a pretty dead technology now and I cant see it making a return in England at least.
Mark.
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Rogers here in Canada had that but they gouged the FK out of it. So it never caught on. I know it's very popular in Hong Kong from what I've seen in the movies
Its been available for years. I remember it was in my Nokia 6680 (2005).
However this feature has to be supported by the carrier. Being on a 3G network doesn't necessarily mean you can make video calls. I remember trying that on my 6680 in 2005 and on my Vibrant (ported I9000 ROM) and of course got an error.
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Rogers here in Canada had that but they gouged the FK out of it. So it never caught on. I know it's very popular in Hong Kong from what I've seen in the movies
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Dont believe everything you see in the movies
Mark.
AFAIK, none of the US carriers ever bothered to support UMTS video calls, not even the old AT&T. Cingular had a video messaging service on a few phones, but it just used data. It was pretty much MMS with a larger maximum message size and a proprietary application on the phone. Their UMTS network was teensy at the time, so it made more sense to do something that could work with EDGE and GPRS.
From a US-centric perspective, it doesn't make much sense to spend engineering effort on the feature.
I got the phone 3 days ago ....
I love the design, the Concept .... Hardware seems solid ... very fast and responsive .... faster than my Note 7.
However I have a big issue ....... *(
Even though on the official ASUS webpage it says the phone supports LTE Band 12, 700MHz for T mobile, the phone refuses to see and connect to anything else except Band 4, 2100MHz.
I live in an area where Band 4 LTE sucks ..... I dont live in the City ...
LTE Coverage seems to suck for me at the moment ....
On top of the LTE issues ..... It seems that this phone does not get very good cell signal for making phone calls ....*(
All metal design ??
Any thoughts on the LTE issues ??
You may need to bring this up to support and find out what is going on with it (otherwise t-mobile). I have metor pcs, and i know that goes with t-mobile, just might be certain bands not connecting to it.
Update:
OK .... so after further testing and use of the phone, I have verified that the phone does connect to ALL of the T-mobile LTE bands ...... both 4 & 12.
But the phone it self seems to have Terrible signal / reception ....... *(
I have been carting around with me 2 phones ...... this phone and the Note 5.
it seems that this phone is just having a very hard time holding a good solid LTE connection.
Not even good enough for a Messenger call or Whatssapp call ...... *(
when the Note 5 had great LTE, this phone couldn't even hold a connection long enough for a 30 second Whatssapp call.
its very frustrating ........
I think it has to do with the all metal body of the phone.....
Any input ??
Are their tmobile APN settings the same?
Do you have a case on it?
xda_geekman said:
Update:
OK .... so after further testing and use of the phone, I have verified that the phone does connect to ALL of the T-mobile LTE bands ...... both 4 & 12.
But the phone it self seems to have Terrible signal / reception ....... *(
I have been carting around with me 2 phones ...... this phone and the Note 5.
it seems that this phone is just having a very hard time holding a good solid LTE connection.
Not even good enough for a Messenger call or Whatssapp call ...... *(
when the Note 5 had great LTE, this phone couldn't even hold a connection long enough for a 30 second Whatssapp call.
its very frustrating ........
I think it has to do with the all metal body of the phone.....
Any input ??
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Yes, I believe you are right. I don't own this phone, but thought I'd give my two cents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTsg7EyYKFM
Yes, this is not your phone, it's the ZTE Axon 7. Watch from around the 4 minute mark. Much loike the Zenfone Deluxe 3, the mostly all-aluminum body without much field testing is always going to be a drawback for wifi strength and certain radio frequencies on LTE.
The Axon 7 is arguably more plastic than the Zenfone 3 Deluxe (at the top and bottom at least) meaning there should actually be incremental differences for the ability to hold a frequency with good strength in the favour of the Axon 7, however it's receiving a few poor real-world reviews for those who have bothered to test. From that assumption, the more 'sleek' all-aluminum body of the ZD3 is going to have the same problems, so its no surprise that you are reporting it.
I'm considering getting this phone up against the LG v20 H990DS dual sim. But Wifi strength and reliability on 4G LTE is a huge considersation, as it's really a basic expectation of any flasgship - dont bother making a phone of all-alluminum if the drawback is poor performance. This is why the design of the v20 is 10x better, for instance.
RoOSTA
roosta said:
Yes, I believe you are right. I don't own this phone, but thought I'd give my two cents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTsg7EyYKFM
Yes, this is not your phone, it's the ZTE Axon 7. Watch from around the 4 minute mark. Much loike the Zenfone Deluxe 3, the mostly all-aluminum body without much field testing is always going to be a drawback for wifi strength and certain radio frequencies on LTE.
The Axon 7 is arguably more plastic than the Zenfone 3 Deluxe (at the top and bottom at least) meaning there should actually be incremental differences for the ability to hold a frequency with good strength in the favour of the Axon 7, however it's receiving a few poor real-world reviews for those who have bothered to test. From that assumption, the more 'sleek' all-aluminum body of the ZD3 is going to have the same problems, so its no surprise that you are reporting it.
I'm considering getting this phone up against the LG v20 H990DS dual sim. But Wifi strength and reliability on 4G LTE is a huge considersation, as it's really a basic expectation of any flasgship - dont bother making a phone of all-alluminum if the drawback is poor performance. This is why the design of the v20 is 10x better, for instance.
RoOSTA
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I can assure you all just based on the quality of the display compared to the V20 this phone is a thousand times better. The blues are very apparent on the V20 and side by side it doesn't even come close. The V20 just looks awful. If you're browsing webpages and playing games I'd much rather do it on the Zenfone. I wonder what it's like up against one of the newer Samsung's. Maybe I'll test it out, but the sales people in most stores are so pushy to help and get in your way. Some people really need to learn the best way to a sale isn't by being pushy but feeling out your customer.
I think people's mileage is going to vary on signal strength. I noticed identical WiFi strength between this phone and the Moto G4 I have. I often get poor signal at work and this phone drops signal way less. I haven't really tested out LTE other than to check that it works and I get the same number of bars as the G4 in my house.
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I can assure you all just based on the quality of the display compared to the V20 this phone is a thousand times better. The blues are very apparent on the V20 and side by side it doesn't even come close. The V20 just looks awful. If you're browsing webpages and playing games I'd much rather do it on the Zenfone.
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AmOled wins every day over IPS, however limiting the display to 1080p on a flagship is... so 2014. You can get the V20 with same screen size and bigger battery. On top of that, it's removable. The best feature is repairability. Take off the back cover, 20 small screws and it's easy to lift out the plastic cover, motherboard cameras and screen with ease. Even the 3.5mm jack pops off easily. It's one of the last flasgships yo keep the FM radio and have a more than useful IR blaster.
Zenfone doesn't even advertise Nfc despite some deluxe owners saying their phone had it, but in a very awkward position. I can see you have a preference but I find it hard for there to be any comparison. Comes down to your requirements in the end.
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roosta said:
AmOled wins every day over IPS, however limiting the display to 1080p on a flagship is... so 2014.
RoOSTA
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Same can be said with putting an IPS display in a flagship phone. They chose 1080p vs 1440p because it's a well known fact 1080p gets better battery life. Put the phone side by side and pull up the same webpage and the text has the same clarity as the V20. Many will say the eyes can't tell the difference. Resolution aside, I can't express how much better the screen is than the V20. The phone is also lighter and smaller because it doesn't have the secondary display. At the end of the day, the Verizon's store rep owned the V20 and we both laughed at how awful the display on V20 looked compared to this phone.
Bottom line it's nice to have a removable battery, but it's the screen you look at most. I'd rather have a phone with the better display.
There's tonnes of IPS still used in non-amoled flagships. 1080 p does in fact get a better battery life, probably why LG increased the battery capacity. 2nd display is also very handy. A few grams/ounches weight isn't going to bother me when comparing both of these phones. Anyway, getting off topic. I think the design of this phone is the reason why you may be experiencing issues, or your radio could be faulty if it's happening everywhere, even in places you'd normally get good reception. See how the resulrs vary at inner city, more outer-suburban locations and compare to what you were getting previously (on this phoine or another 4G LTE).
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I got the phone to finally to replace my SG Note II N7100 version (I don't like newer Notes. I was hoping for same features past Note 4. Finally gave up replaceable battery feature for Asus ZF3D 64GB) Also I could finally use Tmobiles 4G LTE and add Freedompop H+ networks as secondary. I notice something with Tmobile LTE. At first Tmobile's 4G LTE had 1/4 bars and data speeds seem to fail a lot and if it pass it would read it as 0 kbps. But I kept using it for few days more. I'm starting to get 2 or higher on signal and data speeds hit around download 8/upload 1 mbps at 38 ms ping and this is at the same area. Not sure what happen in those first few days. Signal got boosted good if you disable secondary SIM. I get about 3 or 4 bars.
If I did get into good place I would hit around 10/25 speeds still better than Tmobile's H+ with Note 2.
^as long as lte signal gets better instead of few bars! What part of the USA?
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I got the phone to finally to replace my SG Note II N7100 version (I don't like newer Notes. I was hoping for same features past Note 4. Finally gave up no replaceable battery feature for Asus ZF3D 64GB) Also I could finally use Tmobiles 4G LTE and add Freedompop H+ networks as secondary. I notice something with Tmobile LTE. At first Tmobile's 4G LTE had 1/4 bars and data speeds seem to fail a lot and if it pass it would read it as 0 kbps. But I kept using it for few days more. I'm starting to get 2 or higher on signal and data speeds hit around download 8/upload 1 mbps at 38 ms ping and this is at the same area. Not sure what happen in those first few days. Signal got boosted good if you disable secondary SIM. I get about 3 or 4 bars.
If I did get into good place I would hit around 10/25 speeds still better than Tmobile's H+ with Note 2.
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I had the same exact problem on my phone. It cleared up after a few days as well. My Sim2 slot is still enabled, so I don't know how mine fixed itself. Maybe something with the cell towers, not sure
galaxys said:
^as long as lte signal gets better instead of few bars! What part of the USA?
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I live in Tracy, CA.
snkchaos said:
I live in Tracy, CA.
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You should usually have a good signal there. I'm in Vegas and have full bars with T-Mobile...
Hi all, I posted part of this message in another forum as it was part of a bigger posting. Here I am only posting issues with the Bands & LTE Coverage.
So I also upgraded my wife's phone (S5) to the Zen 3 deluxe (ZS570KL / 256gb hd / 6gb ram / 821 chip) and she hates it... calls keep dropping signal is low and it does not even say LTE. I did a speedtest comparison between her Zen 3 and my Zen 2 (rooted and running CM13) and mine is way faster. Hers is also disconnecting from cellular (AT&T) data and does not show 4G anymore along with no push notifications of emails. I get strong bars and the phone displays LTE, hers only shows 4G+.
Anyone else having these issues? Oh and she does have a plastic / silicon clear case.
I bought this phone for several reasons, the great Camera, rootability, but Mainly for 5G and faster data. It's Rooted with .037. Since I had my years old sim in the phone all I was able to manage was about 35 Mb/second on 4G. So I headed to the ATT store and got myself a new sim card for it. On the way home I did a speed test and got 75Mb/second, 5G. Great, I thought. So when I got home I wanted to do some speed tests, and it was on 4G. I have an anntlent booster in the house due to having a metal roof. It has the following bands. each can be adjusted Individually:
LTE Band 12 Uplink (698~716MHZ) Downlink (728~746MHZ)
Band 13 Uplink (776~787MHZ) Downlink (746~757MHZ)
CELL Band 5 Uplink (824~849MHZ) Downlink (869~894MHZ)
PCS Band 2 Uplink (1850~1910MHZ) Downlink (1930~1990MHZ)
AWS Band 4 Uplink (1710~1755MHZ) Downlink (2110~2155HZ)
I turned down all the adjustment screws and took the phone outside. It connected to the PCS band 2, 5G. Took it back into the house, it was showing 1-2 bars. So I turned up the gain on band 2. The signal strength jumped up, but the phone instantly jumped to 4G. I thought it was supposed to go to 5G on a strong signal, then fall back to 4g if necessary. I tried *#*#4636#*#* and setting the phone to "nr only", but you night as well piss up a rope, the phone ignores these settings and resets itself to "unknown"
I fiddled with it some more and got a solid 5G icon. But only 5 Mbps download. For a couple hours messing around, and re pointing my antenna to another tower, I finally got a 4G signal on AWS Band 14 with 15Mbps, less than I was getting with my old 4G Sim.
I would like to see this thread developed with better Radio versions, hopefully ones that can be actually locked to what they are set on, whether it be those who want to avoid 5G or those who want to enforce 5G. 5G IS definitely faster in my rural area. Software I used to help diagnose this, and cell tower locations: Network cell info (an older version from an old phone extracted with apk extractor because the new one on google play kept crashing) Open Signal, and I tried Network Signal Guru, but it did nothing on this phone. Please post any ideas you may have concerning Radio connectivity, Booster (resetting) better software and firmware, etc.
@GivIn2It I've changed the prefix of this thread from "Development" to "General" as it didn't qualify for the first. Please review the stuck guidances at the top of the forum and do not change the prefix back.
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Oswald Boelcke
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Does AT&T even have real 5G (NR) deployment in your area? If so, is it NSA? If so, it probably uses B2 as the LTE agg link. According to the site below, ATT is supposed to be on n5/850mhz. You need to find out how ATT handles it's NSA deployment, but I guess you need to have B2 + n5 at a minimum.
US 5G Bands Cheat Sheet: Verizon vs. T-Mobile vs. AT&T
A complete list of US carrier 5G bands, 4G LTE, and 3G for Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and US Cellular. 5G mmW, low-band, mid-band, Sub-6.
www.droid-life.com
Not sure if the Network Signal Guru betas are fully public yet, but they work great with the Pixel 6. No band locking though.
Contribute device capability info if you can to the cacombos site. We won't learn anything about what the Pixel 6 is capable without field testing. There's no documentation or data sheet for the "new" 5123b modem in the phone.
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Does AT&T even have real 5G (NR) deployment in your area? If so, is it NSA? If so, it probably uses B2 as the LTE agg link. According to the site below, ATT is supposed to be on n5/850mhz. You need to find out how ATT handles it's NSA deployment, but I guess you need to have B2 + n5 at a minimum.
US 5G Bands Cheat Sheet: Verizon vs. T-Mobile vs. AT&T
A complete list of US carrier 5G bands, 4G LTE, and 3G for Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and US Cellular. 5G mmW, low-band, mid-band, Sub-6.
www.droid-life.com
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Thanks for that info. Apparantly, there is some aggregation going on. When the phone switches to 5G, none of the software including the Phone Info page will detect what band it's using. Phone info does show NR Available: True and NR State: Not_Restricted.
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Not sure if the Network Signal Guru betas are fully public yet, but they work great with the Pixel 6. No band locking though.
Contribute device capability info if you can to the cacombos site. We won't learn anything about what the Pixel 6 is capable without field testing. There's no documentation or data sheet for the "new" 5123b modem in the phone.
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It looks like my device has already been added to the Cacombos database. I can't find a link to that beta. do you have one?
It doesn't matter if your device is already listed. It's incomplete.
And I don't believe I can share the alphas or betas.
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It doesn't matter if your device is already listed. It's incomplete.
And I don't believe I can share the alphas or betas.
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OK, then. How am I supposed to obtain that device capability information to upload to Cacombos, I don't have software capable of obtaining all that information from the phone. I'm willing to share information if you're willing to share the software that can obtain the information.
Please read the Shannon instructions. You don't need NSG or other tools.
The "Shannon instructions", could you be a little less specific?
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Please read the Shannon instructions. You don't need NSG or other tools.
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Problem is this, not sure the instructions are compatible:
This works with Shannon modem devices except Samsung Exynos device (eg. Pixel 6 and 6 Pro). For Samsung, please use Exynos internal logging by exposing modem to Scat, ShannonDM or Airscreen. Require root.
Open terminal with adb shell or with Terminal app.
Start logging with in superuser (su)$ su
# modem_logging_control START
Turn on Airplane mode and wait for 5-10 seconds. Turn off Airplane mode.
End logging with command# modem_logging_control STOP
You can find logging file now in `/data/vendor/slog`
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Instructions under "Samsung device" references OneUI shortcodes which won't work with the PX6/P
It works. The wording is incorrect. It works for non-Samsung Exynos devices.
This is how we gathered the combos until NSG started working.
But the reason why we need more data is because one report from one phone only reflects the country they're in and what their carrier supports.
It's like cellmapper, more data is better.
I think I have figured out the problem. The Pixel 6 Pro doesn't like it when I have all my gains all the way up, at least for 5G. When I set the bands CELL Band 5 Uplink (824~849MHZ) Downlink (869~894MHZ) and
PCS Band 2 Uplink (1850~1910MHZ) Downlink (1930~1990MHZ) to a little over halfway, the phone regularly connects to 5G, especially when downloading. The signal icon on the phone varies between 2 and 4 bars. Download speeds about 2- 15 Mb/s, which is about a third of my better 4G speeds. But I get to see a pretty 5G icon on my Phone. Superb! My next step is to buy a honkin Yagi to replace my pathetic one, and do some signal searching to see if I can pull in that 75Mb/second tower. If that doesn't work, It's just wait for ATT to improve their 5G here, as I have determined that the Pixel 6 Pro is (mostly) working correctly out of the box, it is looking for the best signal, and if that's 4G, that is what it will switch to. Being more of a hardware guy, I think I can accomplish more with external equipment than I can monkeying with the guts of the phone. Rooting was scary enough. But I'm still open to flashing a better radio, when someone comes up with one.