Below is a screenshot of the recent apps button on my OP3. I'd like to know what the difference between the two button options circled in red numbered 1 and 2 are.
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shobuddy said:
Below is a screenshot of the recent apps button on my OP3. I'd like to know what the difference between the two button options circled in red numbered 1 and 2 are.
Thank you
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One option will just clear the application tray, and other option will clear it from the memory.
raj.parekh07 said:
One option will just clear the application tray, and other option will clear it from the memory.
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Is there a way to put a shortcut on my homescreen to the clear from memory option
shobuddy said:
Is there a way to put a shortcut on my homescreen to the clear from memory option
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Why would you even want to do that? You have 6GB of RAM to use!
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Explorer23 said:
Why would you even want to do that? You have 6GB of RAM to use!
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also, constantly clearing RAM wastes MORE battery since services will be restarted every time
2x4 said:
also, constantly clearing RAM wastes MORE battery since services will be restarted every time
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Yup, more power consumption plus the fact that loading apps fresh each time provides worse user experience (slower operation).
There is absolutely no reason to clear RAM on powerful modern devices. Even I - the person that always kept clearing recents and even using memory cleaners on older devices - got used to keeping everything in RAM. And I'm happier than ever
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Explorer23 said:
Yup, more power consumption plus the fact that loading apps fresh each time provides worse user experience (slower operation).
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Yes, but it depends on how frequently you are opening and closing apps. If you don't use an app all that often, there is no harm in clearing it.
2x4 said:
also, constantly clearing RAM wastes MORE battery since services will be restarted every time
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I don't intend to do it constantly but want to have it available when I DO want to do it. For example, If I use Facebook once a day, I would rather not have it constantly running in the background.
Explorer23 said:
Why would you even want to do that? You have 6GB of RAM to use!
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It seems the "clear ram" feature actually hibernates apps. i.e it does a "Force Stop" in the Android app settings. This is behavior I want to preserve battery, particularly for apps I don't use all that often.
shobuddy said:
Yes, but it depends on how frequently you are opening and closing apps. If you don't use an app all that often, there is no harm in clearing it.
I don't intend to do it constantly but want to have it available when I DO want to do it. For example, If I use Facebook once a day, I would rather not have it constantly running in the background.
It seems the "clear ram" feature actually hibernates apps. i.e it does a "Force Stop" in the Android app settings. This is behavior I want to preserve battery, particularly for apps I don't use all that often.
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FB and similar apps are a perfect example of why it's a terrible idea to clear RAM - ever try force closing it? It always re launches itself without fail, even with root and apps like Greenify
Well, if you don't want to to kill apps often, you don't need a shortcut. It's just 2 taps away anyways (recents > kill).
Natively you can't get a shortcut. Maybe could be done with Tasker or something similar, but I'm not sure.
After all apps in RAM don't really consume power so you won't see any benefits if you do force stop stuff that you don't use often. The difference is negligible, there are a lot more factors that make much bigger difference.
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Is #2 in the screenshot the same thing as doze?
shobuddy said:
Is #2 in the screenshot the same thing as doze?
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I've been wondering why my browser tabs get kicked out of memory after so long. Usually if I take a phone call or switch into a large app and return to the browser, I have to reload all my pages. I normally have 3-5 tabs open at once. With VZW's slow 3G it's a pain to reload and lose my place. Doesn't this phone have 1GB of RAM? I wouldn't think a phone call would cause the browser to be removed from memory would it? This has been plaguing me for years just wondering if there was anything I could do to prevent it.
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Yes its just something to do with the latest ICS version, memory management is more aggressive with the browser or something. It drives me mad too. Sometimes ill switch to the homescreen for one second without loading a single thing, go right back to the broeser and it was kicked from memory.
Is the behaviour the same in the new Chrome Beta?
Yup, I find this a bit annoying, too.
DirkGently said:
Is the behaviour the same in the new Chrome Beta?
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It doesn't seem to be. I've just had a test and it seems to keep all pages open.
Open browser -> load page -> menu -> save for offline reading
lilirose said:
Open browser -> load page -> menu -> save for offline reading
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But wouldn't you then have to do this for each tab?
Because Android doesn't offer true multitasking. It closes apps you are actively using and caches apps you don't ever use... Poor memory management and aggressive task closing makes for a poor user experience.
EP2008 said:
Because Android doesn't offer true multitasking. It closes apps you are actively using and caches apps you don't ever use... Poor memory management and aggressive task closing makes for a poor user experience.
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Yep. It's a little too aggressive. It's most annoying when i'm using Spotify or something. I might pause the music for a little while for whatever reason, run a couple apps. When I go back to Spotify I have to restart the whole app.
It should intelligently monitor usage and cache apps based off that...
tweak your VM settings, as well as min free settings.
My pages has always stayed in memory
s2d4 said:
tweak your VM settings, as well as min free settings.
My pages has always stayed in memory
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Mind providing some examples and/or guidance on how to accomplish this?
s2d4 said:
tweak your VM settings, as well as min free settings.
My pages has always stayed in memory
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Yeah this is what i want to try and tweak the oom numbers but i just been too lazy...
Hmm. I have never used Spotify before, but that sounds way too aggressive. I use slacker.com and if i pause it there does not seem to ever be a problem going back and having the song pick up right where i left off. Google listen seems to do the same. Now don't get me started on the one or two times per day slacker causes my galaxy nexus to reboot ......
rudolphe said:
Mind providing some examples and/or guidance on how to accomplish this?
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Need it too...
I never experienced this. I have chrome and chrome beta with bunch of tabs in each of them open and they always stay there. I am on stock 4.1.1 and i have stock android browser disabled.
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What's a good app or way to close all apps at once?
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mario24601 said:
What's a good app or way to close all apps at once?
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Press the Home button.
irishtexmex said:
Press the Home button.
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lol apps dont close when you press the home button smart one. and op if you click the multi-window button(the one on the right of home button) you can swipe them all away really fast but dont really know about all at once
FaDeGFX said:
lol apps dont close when you press the home button smart one. and op if you click the multi-window button(the one on the right of home button) you can swipe them all away really fast but dont really know about all at once
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Yes was hoping for an all close at once type app. Had that on iPhone thought might have something similar.
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There are 3rd party app killers in the play store. Check there...
There was a stock task manager...but I guess Google removed it for JB
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App killer
Cyanogenmod 10.1 has a button on the multitasking menu to do that. But it's kinda pointless except to clear the list of recently used apps. Android, if my understanding is correct, automatically fills the memory with tasks so killing apps is worse than pointless since you're just causing the system to prioritize unused background processes over the ones that you use more often.
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You should listen to this guy. I know you're coming from a different OS, so you aren't aware of how Android deals with memory. The system is very good at multitasking. Apps that have been idling in the background will be pushed out and won't consume resources or ramp up your CPU. By killing those apps, you force the system to have to reload and process resources necessary to start the app. Android will keep enough of the resources to quickly fire up the app, but restrict activity so that your battery is pretty much unaffected.
An analogy if you need it: Android will bookmark and close whatever you were reading. That way, you can move the book around or leave it on the shelf and quickly pick it up and continue from the last page you were on. You are requesting that the system instead just closes the book, and buries it in a box with other books, and which is located in the attic. It takes more resources to find the book and locate the page again. Just let Android do its thing. Any popular dev will tell you the same thing.
TL;DNR - Don't use a task killer, you will get far better battery life and performance if you let the system deal with system resources.
FaDeGFX said:
lol apps dont close when you press the home button smart one. and op if you click the multi-window button(the one on the right of home button) you can swipe them all away really fast but dont really know about all at once
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Don't listen to this guy. He used the phrase "smart one," which I haven't heard since I was in elementary school (and I thought it was un-clever and uselessly sarcastic then). He also thinks that swiping away apps from the recents menu kills them. This is not how Android works. AOKP devs will not implement a recents menu that actually does let you swipe to kill apps because it's a useless feature that does more harm than good (zero benefit, actually). Just trust that your system knows how to handle its resources.
TL;DNR - Swiping away apps from the recents menu doesn't kill them. Stop trying to kill apps; only do so if they're unresponsive.
If u really want it, aokp has this feature
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reboot?
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You should listen to this guy. I know you're coming from a different OS, so you aren't aware of how Android deals with memory. The system is very good at multitasking. Apps that have been idling in the background will be pushed out and won't consume resources or ramp up your CPU. By killing those apps, you force the system to have to reload and process resources necessary to start the app. Android will keep enough of the resources to quickly fire up the app, but restrict activity so that your battery is pretty much unaffected.
An analogy if you need it: Android will bookmark and close whatever you were reading. That way, you can move the book around or leave it on the shelf and quickly pick it up and continue from the last page you were on. You are requesting that the system instead just closes the book, and buries it in a box with other books, and which is located in the attic. It takes more resources to find the book and locate the page again. Just let Android do its thing. Any popular dev will tell you the same thing.
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Let's say I start loading a web page and quickly jump to another app before it's loaded, then when I return to Chrome the page is ready and waiting. Doesn't this imply that apps are not just simply bookmarked and closed, but may remain active in the background? I am asking, not saying btw.
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Let's say I start loading a web page and quickly jump to another app before it's loaded, then when I return to Chrome the page is ready and waiting. Doesn't this imply that apps are not just simply bookmarked and closed, but may remain active in the background? I am asking, not saying btw.
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Foreground apps are told that they are no longer in view, but are allowed to keep running if they wish. The OS will stop them if the memory is needed - which with 2GB is not very often on the nexus 4!
So Hung0702 was wrong on the last page when he said:
Apps that have been idling in the background will be pushed out and won't consume resources or ramp up your CPU
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It seems as though background apps can use resources and may have a negative impact on battery. Now I have got to the bottom of this I also want a clear all button!
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So Hung0702 was wrong on the last page when he said:
It seems as though background apps can use resources and may have a negative impact on battery. Now I have got to the bottom of this I also want a clear all button!
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Yes, they can keep using resources in the background. However, they will usually not keep the cpu awake unless they have an actual background service, so they will not stop the device from sleeping. As far as I know this is not enforced, but most apps will release the wakelock when told to pause by the OS (because the app is now hidden). This means they shouldn't have much impact on battery life.
You can see what is currently running by going to Settings -> Apps and select the Running tab. The recent apps list is not the same - most will have actually closed when you hid them.
Looking for a App that does as above without taking up much memory in the background whilst doing so. I trialed Smart Booster app and it allowed me too disable auto start for apps I don't need and hibernate others etc but sorta felt like the app itself drain my battery just as much as the apps that were auto starting. Thanks in advance
It's not free, $1.49. But it's worked for me in the past. Personally don't think it will be very useful on this device.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
illmatters said:
Looking for a App that does as above without taking up much memory in the background whilst doing so. I trialed Smart Booster app and it allowed me too disable auto start for apps I don't need and hibernate others etc but sorta felt like the app itself drain my battery just as much as the apps that were auto starting. Thanks in advance
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Why do you want free RAM? Free RAM is wasted RAM. Android doesn't need you to constantly clear the RAM. It's actually bad to do that because you need to use more CPU power to recompile the whole app when you open it again until we fully switch to ART which pre-compiles all apps.
Also Android by design will dynamically close apps to make room if it needs more RAM than you have available. Plus not clearing it will safe battery because the CPU will run less cycles when you use apps.
That's just my opinion, however I'm sure you have a reason as to why you wan to clear the RAM. I just thought it was with mentioning the above in case you didn't know.
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Why do you want free RAM? Free RAM is wasted RAM. Android doesn't need you to constantly clear the RAM. It's actually bad to do that because you need to use more CPU power to recompile the whole app when you open it again until we fully switch to ART which pre-compiles all apps.
Also Android by design will dynamically close apps to make room if it needs more RAM than you have available. Plus not clearing it will safe battery because the CPU will run less cycles when you use apps.
That's just my opinion, however I'm sure you have a reason as to why you wan to clear the RAM. I just thought it was with mentioning the above in case you didn't know.
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Reason = Battery Drain. I don't use the Radio, EVER. So why is it showing in android os in the battery settings? Just like quite a few other processes sitting in that long ass list. That's why I ask.
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Reason = Battery Drain. I don't use the Radio, EVER. So why is it showing in android os in the battery settings? Just like quite a few other processes sitting in that long ass list. That's why I ask.
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Why don't your freeze them with titanium backup if you are rooted?
Pilz said:
Why don't your freeze them with titanium backup if you are rooted?
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Might just do that, thanks. I see LG Suite is using a lot. I dunno why though, that's fine If I freeze also? Requires $5.99. Gonna have to deal with it for a while, ive donated over $30 just today..
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Might just do that, thanks. I see LG Suite is using a lot. I dunno why though, that's fine If I freeze also? Requires $5.99. Gonna have to deal with it for a while, ive donated over $30 just today..
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There's a free version if the app that allows you to freeze apps still, but it won't let you do batch operations if I remember correctly.
I hate the way Google has implemented Split Screen as I am a user who kills all their recent apps frequently as I feel it affects battery life. Why couldn't Google adopt Samsung's latest design layout for Split Screen?
Is there an application available which makes it more similar to Samsung or LG's Split Screen experience.
kalinskym said:
I am a user who kills all their recent apps frequently as I feel it affects battery life.
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You realize that actually makes battery life worse, right?
josephcsible said:
You realize that actually makes battery life worse, right?
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removing it from recent apps by swiping right? I hate keeping apps such as Facebook opened in the background or Chrome.
kalinskym said:
removing it from recent apps by swiping right? I hate keeping apps such as Facebook opened in the background or Chrome.
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Does it really drain battery life quicker by killing them from recent apps
kalinskym said:
removing it from recent apps by swiping right? I hate keeping apps such as Facebook opened in the background or Chrome.
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Does it really drain battery life quicker by killing them from recent apps
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Yes, doing that hurts battery life. The reason is that keeping an app on memory doesn't use any extra battery, and having to restart a killed one does.
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Yes, doing that hurts battery life. The reason is that keeping an app on memory doesn't use any extra battery, and having to restart a killed one does.
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Even Facebook? I should keep Facebook open in the background rather than having it closed. How many apps do you typically have opened when you go to recent apps view?
A few apps do leave stuff running, but Doze and App Standby will take care of that for the most part. That way is nicer to the battery since it suspends the processes rather than killing them, so they don't have to reinitialize when you do reopen the app.
Do Anyone have issue with app closing too quickly in background even less than a minute??
I am noticing it for past few days. When i switch chrome with any other app and come back within a minute then chrome page reload itself. This was not the case with my previous device Moto X2.
Also faced issue with mini militia app when switched to whatsapp for few seconds, the app restarted when came back.
Any help will be grateful.
Yes, this phone has very aggressive memory management. It kills background tasks too quickly.
Looking under memory settings, I have used 85 apps in the last 24 hours and the maximum amount on RAM this phone has used is 1.6 GB...seems the RAM usage never hits more than 2 GB as the phone keeps killing apps.
yumms said:
Yes, this phone has very aggressive memory management. It kills background tasks too quickly.
Looking under memory settings, I have used 85 apps in the last 24 hours and the maximum amount on RAM this phone has used is 1.6 GB...seems the RAM usage never hits more than 2 GB as the phone keeps killing apps.
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The only app that I noticed the phone killing is Clash Royale.
turkobr said:
The only app that I noticed the phone killing is Clash Royale.
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Any phone will kill Clash Royale because the app works that way :/
kishanamlani said:
Do Anyone have issue with app closing too quickly in background even less than a minute??
I am noticing it for past few days. When i switch chrome with any other app and come back within a minute then chrome page reload itself. This was not the case with my previous device Moto X2.
Also faced issue with mini militia app when switched to whatsapp for few seconds, the app restarted when came back.
Any help will be grateful.
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Stock ROM?
kevinblackwell said:
Stock ROM?
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Yess Stock Rom
kishanamlani said:
Yess Stock Rom
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How many background process limit do you put?
kevinblackwell said:
How many background process limit do you put?
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Its set as Standard .. Didnt change anything
kishanamlani said:
Its set as Standard .. Didnt change anything
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Uh, that's weird, some apps didn't work in background, like games. In what apps do you have problems? Or all the apps?
kevinblackwell said:
Uh, that's weird, some apps didn't work in background, like games. In what apps do you have problems? Or all the apps?
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Noticed mostly in Chrome, page reloads even if switched app within 30 seconds, no other heavy app running in background.
Faced with Mini Militia game too, app reloads if switched for like 10 seconds or more.
kishanamlani said:
Noticed mostly in Chrome, page reloads even if switched app within 30 seconds, no other heavy app running in background.
Faced with Mini Militia game too, app reloads if switched for like 10 seconds or more.
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Oh! Chrome always do that in my cellphone too, I think that is for keep the website up to date
kevinblackwell said:
Oh! Chrome always do that in my cellphone too, I think that is for keep the website up to date
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It was not the case with my previous device Moto X2.
I will reply if this happens with any other app. Thanks a lot for helping.
It is improved in nougat update
It happens to me with pokemon go
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