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Please be patient with me, I'm new to the entire smartphone era.
I've spent the last week or so scouring these forums deciding what I can and cannot do with my brand new Epic. What I unfortunately was unable to find were directions put into laymans terms as exactly how to properly flash your phone (I am still even unsure as to the correct terminology for many things). When I read the wiki and the forums I'm lost about a paragraph in.
It would be incredibly appreciated if any of you had tips for a new person to these forums and to this lifestyle itself. I'd love to know how to properly modify my phone without breaking it (and not feel like I'm reading a medical dictionary). When/if I do mod my phone, I'd like to know how to go about restoring it should I for whatever reason need to take it in to the extremely... helpful.. Sprint store here in my area. I'm pretty quick to learn and as I said, I'd really love if someone willing to be patient with me would explain to me the ins and outs I would need to know to take advantage of my phones capabilities.
Well most roms now use ext4 filesystem instead of RFS (default) so you have to install Clockwork Mod 3 which will auto convert it
CWM3 directions:
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On phone go to applications -> development -> usb debugging (turn on)
plug phone into usb port, run the run.bat from the CWM folder (it might say something like restart server and wait for phone to reconnect i generally just close the window and run the run.bat again then it'll mount as r/w and install)
Then after your phone reboots transfer any ec05 ext4 rom to your sdcard, i suggest This one.
After that turn off your phone completely.
Hold volume down, camera button, power. This will boot into clockworkmod.
CWM will backup all data, format, then restore the data... it'll take a few minutes.
Now if you want to start fresh click wipe data / wipe cache and also go to advanced/wipe dalvic cache. If you want to keep all your apps just proceed to the next step
go to Install from sdcard, browse sdcard for the rom.zip, select it, let it do its magic, after its done go back to the main menu, reboot system, and you're done
EDIT: Cwm controls -> volume up/down to naviage, Power = back, Camera = select. I think you can also use the keyboard arrows and stuff but i find it easier using the buttons
I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!
Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?
OmegaMateria said:
Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?
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If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first
hi I also am still new to this even though i flashed my phone at least a 100 times and got my buddys epic rooted i followed this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=798067. they did a great job with links to get cwm2.5 and also the adb files. so when you root your phone the computer will find your phone. One thing that did keep me held up for a while was when you have your phone in debug mode. connect the phone to the usb. but do not press connect on your phone. hope this helps some. I spent about 3 long days reading and gathering everything before trying and like a day and a half trying.
shook187 said:
If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first
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You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?
shook187 said:
I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!
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No such thing will occur. He might get it into a position of where he can only use odin but certainly not a brick. I have heard of only 1 person bricking their phone in 6 mths and that was a dev cuz he was messing with the bootloader. Jump in at your own pace.
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OmegaMateria said:
You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?
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I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.
shook187 said:
I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.
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Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?
OmegaMateria said:
Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?
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The main thing which you already mention is the free wireless tether.
CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.
I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though.
The small risk was worth getting the phone that I wanted originally - instant responsivness, access to every customization and dev. level control of the hardware (free tethering!) - everything runs better - games,browsers,vids (look better and sound better), music sounds better, etc. Etc. There are some seriously talented devs. here. If you decide to take the plunge, check out k0's ACS Frozen ROM and mysteryEmotionz (sp?) Theme(s). When you go from stock to those, you can't help but wonder WTF sprint and samsung are thinking. Yeah, its that good.
Good luck!
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blu9987 said:
CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.
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I went into the run.bat file in the one click root and removed the 2 lines that give the command to delete the free hd games demo and asphalt 5 demo. Ran the one click root, and I still have those 2 installed on my phone. Beats having to reinstall them again in the future and preventing an update because of the missing apps.
Tirregius said:
I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though
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Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.
Go on YouTube and search "randyshear". He has step by step videos for pretty much everything. Makes it easy
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OmegaMateria said:
Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.
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I was the same way and to some degree still am. What I did was read and read. I read the WIKI several times realizing that a lot of it was written for someone more experienced than I. I also read how to restore a bricked device and return to stock a few times. I installed everything to return to stock on my PC so if I had a failure I already had my path back to working stock. I went to CM 2 just to get some experience. Then I went for it to CM 3 and Syndicate 1.0 and have been incredibly happy that I did.
Also know that terms like brick are used a lot but is then followed up with my phone will do this or that. In the definitions a brick is literally as good as a brick for a phone. The term is used way too much incorrectly so don't let that scare you. You will see when reading that there are only a few things to do if there is a problem. Frequently you will read to re download the files or use a different cable or USB port. If you keep reading you will become more comfortable with your ability to find the answers if there is a problem because there are people on here that seem to take great joy in helping people like you and I out and they have the experience and knowledge to help.
Trust me ... keep reading and searching and you will start to put the pieces together. Don't be discouraged. If you are really interested in this stuff, you WILL get there.
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Definitely agree with JohnCorleone, Randyshear has a ton of very good youtube vids. Helpful with rooting also with picking a ROM. Just to add my two-cents. The "epic cookbook" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967014...Helped me over and over again. alot of info, without alot of scavenging throughout threads. Good luck
There is no need to flash a rom right off the bat. Rooting with one click will give you a good jumping point. I would one click root to cw3 let it convert to ext4 then do a backup. Use titanium backup to remove all the junk bloatware.
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I've been following the ROM dev daily but I've been stuck in the hospital and not been able to flash any of them yet.
I'm getting out today and plan on checking one out asap and am curious as to which one I should go with.
I would appreciate any feedback on them that you can provide!!
scott0 said:
I've been following the ROM dev daily but I've been stuck in the hospital and not been able to flash any of them yet.
I'm getting out today and plan on checking one out asap and am curious as to which one I should go with.
I would appreciate any feedback on them that you can provide!!
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I am still running rooted stock. One of the ROMs that had K9 Mail wouldn't work for me on Exchange 2K10. You could also look at the # of posts in each of the threads, that may ID where most of the peeps are headed.
I really wanted to say that I hope you are doing better. My phone haxoring started with a long hospital stay back during the Razor days.
I do like LG's native e-mail client. Only Samsung's e-mail client is better.
scott0 said:
I've been following the ROM dev daily but I've been stuck in the hospital and not been able to flash any of them yet.
I'm getting out today and plan on checking one out asap and am curious as to which one I should go with.
I would appreciate any feedback on them that you can provide!!
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I currently only used the Domination HD ROM, and it has its goods n bads.
the Goods:
1) Lag is virtually gone! Phone runs really smooth and fast, with almost no stuttering.
2) Some extra visual improvements, like the Roboto Fonts and ICS wallpapers included (although it didn't show up on mine for some reason)
3) ICS sounds/notifications
the Bads:
1) Video Recording (camcorder) is borked as for now. You cannot record a video, the app just freezes at 00:00:00
2) Bootup time is significantly longer (might be closer to 2-3 min bootup time) but someone said that it might be due to the deodexing of files in the phone.
3) the claimed Bravia Engine and Xloud features implemented in the ROM just cannot be seen/heard. Supposedly it is there and running, but to some, nothing looks any different than the usual HD look of the phone and the sound is no louder than default. So those 2 features either are not working or just not noticeable enough.
That's my small review on the Domination HD ROM. I might have missed something and if I did, hopefully the next person will add to it.
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I am still running rooted stock. One of the ROMs that had K9 Mail wouldn't work for me on Exchange 2K10. You could also look at the # of posts in each of the threads, that may ID where most of the peeps are headed.
I really wanted to say that I hope you are doing better. My phone haxoring started with a long hospital stay back during the Razor days.
I do like LG's native e-mail client. Only Samsung's e-mail client is better.
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hey thanks Amigo! I hope all is well with you now as well.
I took your advice and flashed the kernalpan1c ROM and am checking it out now.
aquariuz23 said:
I currently only used the Domination HD ROM, and it has its goods n bads.
the Goods:
1) Lag is virtually gone! Phone runs really smooth and fast, with almost no stuttering.
2) Some extra visual improvements, like the Roboto Fonts and ICS wallpapers included (although it didn't show up on mine for some reason)
3) ICS sounds/notifications
the Bads:
1) Video Recording (camcorder) is borked as for now. You cannot record a video, the app just freezes at 00:00:00
2) Bootup time is significantly longer (might be closer to 2-3 min bootup time) but someone said that it might be due to the deodexing of files in the phone.
3) the claimed Bravia Engine and Xloud features implemented in the ROM just cannot be seen/heard. Supposedly it is there and running, but to some, nothing looks any different than the usual HD look of the phone and the sound is no louder than default. So those 2 features either are not working or just not noticeable enough.
That's my small review on the Domination HD ROM. I might have missed something and if I did, hopefully the next person will add to it.
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super, Thank you eh. nice. I really want to try this one too. I got the impression from following the thread that the video cam issue can't be resolved. Perhaps I read it wrong, I will go back through the posts. I too want that vid cam on this phone. But I am very curious about that Bravia engine and Xloud and if/how much they make a difference on my device.
I am liking the kernalpani1c ROM, it does seem smooth, I uninstalled the GO launcher, sticking with Zeam after comparing the 2 with the new ROM, Zeam is noticeably faster & smoother for me.
The best thing about the custom ROMs for me is I had to use Malninion's unbricking method to fix this phone several weeks ago which uses the SU640, now I am back to the proper one.
I think I'll check out that Domination ROM next.
scott0 said:
hey thanks Amigo! I hope all is well with you now as well.
I took your advice and flashed the kernalpan1c ROM and am checking it out now.
super, Thank you eh. nice. I really want to try this one too. I got the impression from following the thread that the video cam issue can't be resolved. Perhaps I read it wrong, I will go back through the posts. I too want that vid cam on this phone. But I am very curious about that Bravia engine and Xloud and if/how much they make a difference on my device.
I am liking the kernalpani1c ROM, it does seem smooth, I uninstalled the GO launcher, sticking with Zeam after comparing the 2 with the new ROM, Zeam is noticeably faster & smoother for me.
The best thing about the custom ROMs for me is I had to use Malninion's unbricking method to fix this phone several weeks ago which uses the SU640, now I am back to the proper one.
I think I'll check out that Domination ROM next.
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I might switch to kernelpanic's rom next week or so when I have the time to start fresh. I'm gonna format the /data partition so it will a be clean slate.
Well, like i've mentioned, me and some others don't really see any difference either the bravia engine or Xloud is doing to the phone. The image quality on the phone is the same, and the loudness is just as loud as stock. Shrugs, it might just be me I dont know lol. Feel free to try it and let us know what you think about it
aquariuz23 said:
I might switch to kernelpanic's rom next week or so when I have the time to start fresh. I'm gonna format the /data partition so it will a be clean slate.
Well, like i've mentioned, me and some others don't really see any difference either the bravia engine or Xloud is doing to the phone. The image quality on the phone is the same, and the loudness is just as loud as stock. Shrugs, it might just be me I dont know lol. Feel free to try it and let us know what you think about it
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I was wondering about the clean slate starting fresh myself, does that make a difference?
I went to get the other ROMs and such but noticed their instructions were different than kernalpan1c, they did not state to clear caches and wipe system, etc so I stopped there.
so a question- it's safe and correct to always do the following 2 steps when flashing any ROM
3. Format /system in Mounts and Storage
4. Then "wipe cache partition" and "advanced > wipe dalvik cache"
thanks for the inputs
aquariuz23 said:
3) the claimed Bravia Engine and Xloud features implemented in the ROM just cannot be seen/heard. Supposedly it is there and running, but to some, nothing looks any different than the usual HD look of the phone and the sound is no louder than default. So those 2 features either are not working or just not noticeable enough.
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why on earth would anybody need some st1nk'n bravia engine while there already is lg mobile engine in stock ROM? ther U go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3GSzOBuUo
scott0 said:
I was wondering about the clean slate starting fresh myself, does that make a difference?
I went to get the other ROMs and such but noticed their instructions were different than kernalpan1c, they did not state to clear caches and wipe system, etc so I stopped there.
so a question- it's safe and correct to always do the following 2 steps when flashing any ROM
3. Format /system in Mounts and Storage
4. Then "wipe cache partition" and "advanced > wipe dalvik cache"
thanks for the inputs
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So far from what I have followed, the 2 steps you've mentioned are safe to follow. The only thing they've all mentioned is: "DO NOT WIPE/FORMAT /Data Partition" Just making it big, bold and bright so you don't miss it LOL. Kernelpanic figured out that it is some kind of a glitch in CWM that causes data corruption when you wipe/format the /Data partition.
Domination's ROM also states to wipe /system and dalvik cache, it's a standard thing i'm guessing. The only reason I want to start from a clean slate is that I don't want any bugs or system clash when I flash a new ROM over an existing ROM, so I think wiping /data will be essential.
Btw, Kernelpanic has suggested that if you do need to wipe /data, to please first flash back LG's default recovery using the image you've backed up prior to flashing CWM on the phone, and then formatting the phone back to factory settings using it. When factory reset is complete (which means /data is also wiped), you can then flash back CWM and then flash the new ROM.
Hopefully this will help you decide on your steps. Again, wiping /data is not necessary at all, it's just an option that technically should be done but right now is not so safe to do. Be careful and as always, we are not responsible for a gorgeous brick on your desk lol.
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Billy Madison said:
why on earth would anybody need some st1nk'n bravia engine while there already is lg mobile engine in stock ROM? ther U go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3GSzOBuUo
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I like that commercial lol. That is very informative and interesting to watch. Very true wat you said about the Bravia engine. Tbh, like I previously mentioned, I do not see any benefit of the Bravia engine on this phone, and definitely not the Xloud feature. Thus, I'm thinking of trying another ROM that has all capabilities functioning, thus the Camcorder.
Just wondering, if you truly can replace the "visual engine (e.g. LG's engine with Bravia Engine), could that be the reason why the camcorder won't work? It's kinda weird that the camera works but the recording function doesnt.
well,
i flashed the domination ROM and it installed, I poked around and decided I needed the video camera, so shut down, booted in to CWM and flashed the other ROM, it said it installed, i rebooted it would not open, stuck on boot, so i shutdown, booted into cwm and restored the 1st ROM but now i am stuck on a boot loop and cannot access cwm.
derp.
update: flashed the su640 ROM so I am back in biz, gotta root and flash CWM.
so i guess this is a fresh flash after all!
i'm at 32% batt, superoneclick does not want to root atm , letting it charge a bit and will try to reroot.
scott0 said:
well,
i flashed the domination ROM and it installed, I poked around and decided I needed the video camera, so shut down, booted in to CWM and flashed the other ROM, it said it installed, i rebooted it would not open, stuck on boot, so i shutdown, booted into cwm and restored the 1st ROM but now i am stuck on a boot loop and cannot access cwm.
derp.
update: flashed the su640 ROM so I am back in biz, gotta root and flash CWM.
so i guess this is a fresh flash after all!
i'm at 32% batt, superoneclick does not want to root atm , letting it charge a bit and will try to reroot.
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Yeah, that's what I feared, that when flashing another ROM over existing rom and not deleting /data might give an error. Which other Rom were you attempting to flash over Domination?
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Yeah, that's what I feared, that when flashing another ROM over existing rom and not deleting /data might give an error. Which other Rom were you attempting to flash over Domination?
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was trying to flash the RebelRom after the Domination. the switch from kernalpanic to domination went fine but the switch from Domination to Rebel FUBARed the phone, same exact steps followed. it also messes up the phone where a restore does not work then cwm is not accessible.
yup, serious issue that is not pointed out very well anywhere. the phone was ruined. in fact it's now stuck on the su640 ROM rooted but not recognized by adb so no su access, adb shell command returns a dollar sign and stalls, and the su640 wireless issue means no internet access on the phone so I can't get terminal emulator on it to move img files in to place.
ATT is sending me a replacement under the warranty.
my opinion atm on the custom CWM and the available ROMs is the ROI is not there.
The Roms don't perform any better than a rooted and debloated stocker IMO to justify the risk it takes checking them out.
scott0 said:
was trying to flash the RebelRom after the Domination. the switch from kernalpanic to domination went fine but the switch from Domination to Rebel FUBARed the phone, same exact steps followed. it also messes up the phone where a restore does not work then cwm is not accessible.
yup, serious issue that is not pointed out very well anywhere. the phone was ruined. in fact it's now stuck on the su640 ROM rooted but not recognized by adb so no su access, adb shell command returns a dollar sign and stalls, and the su640 wireless issue means no internet access on the phone so I can't get terminal emulator on it to move img files in to place.
ATT is sending me a replacement under the warranty.
my opinion atm on the custom CWM and the available ROMs is the ROI is not there.
The Roms don't perform any better than a rooted and debloated stocker IMO to justify the risk it takes checking them out.
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Damn, seems like there is still some figuring out to do. A lot of the troubles keep pointing to CWM. What did you tell AT&T to get them to send you a warranted phone?
Kaiser_Beef said:
Damn, seems like there is still some figuring out to do. A lot of the troubles keep pointing to CWM. What did you tell AT&T to get them to send you a warranted phone?
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i told them the phone was stuck on the LG boot screen and it would not turn off entirely. if I hold the power button down long enough the screen would flash off but it would instantly reboot itself again. the phone did finally fully boot to the su640 ROM but no data/internet access. then they had me do a factory reset which failed as well, after the reset the phone would still boot to main screen instead of to the setup screen.
It was a long telephone call. but ultimately I was transferred to the warranty dept, the 1st tech agent filled that warranty person in who then just checked a cople things and then agreed to ship me a replacement expedited, scheduled delivery is Monday.
scott0 said:
was trying to flash the RebelRom after the Domination. the switch from kernalpanic to domination went fine but the switch from Domination to Rebel FUBARed the phone, same exact steps followed. it also messes up the phone where a restore does not work then cwm is not accessible.
yup, serious issue that is not pointed out very well anywhere. the phone was ruined. in fact it's now stuck on the su640 ROM rooted but not recognized by adb so no su access, adb shell command returns a dollar sign and stalls, and the su640 wireless issue means no internet access on the phone so I can't get terminal emulator on it to move img files in to place.
ATT is sending me a replacement under the warranty.
my opinion atm on the custom CWM and the available ROMs is the ROI is not there.
The Roms don't perform any better than a rooted and debloated stocker IMO to justify the risk it takes checking them out.
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So out of all the 3 ROMs you've tried which one did you like the most? Well, of course the rebelrom doesn't count cuz it borked your phone lol. Sorry to hear that though. I had this bad feeling when you mentioned that it froze after flashing that you flashed rebelrom, and yup that's what you did lol. Didn't you read through the thread though? Many of them got stuck in boot loops and not being able to recover after it.
yes, of course I read through the thread. I had the time to read through all the threads many times and did, even jotted notes down. I was fully aware of the risks involved and don't recall *****ing. I am patiently awaiting my replacement phone generously provided by ATT.
my conclusion was that none of the ROMs are worth the risk. The first one doesn't perform any better than a stock phone debloated + a better launcher, the second one has a very long boot time, then performs no better than a debloated stocker minus the video recorder.
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my conclusion was that none of the ROMs are worth the risk. The first one doesn't perform any better than a stock phone debloated + a better launcher, the second one has a very long boot time, then performs no better than a debloated stocker minus the video recorder.
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I will say upfront to anyone looking at using my ROM, it is a de-odexed ROM minus bloat, a better launcher, some optimizations (ie ICS app process and system server, build.prop tweaks), and the carrier text removed from the status bar. With that said, de-odexed does run smoother than stock (odexed). CF-Bench scores are for example higher on my ROM than on stock.
We're not going to see dramatic speed improvements past that without custom kernels or CM/AOSP.
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yes, of course I read through the thread. I had the time to read through all the threads many times and did, even jotted notes down. I was fully aware of the risks involved and don't recall *****ing. I am patiently awaiting my replacement phone generously provided by ATT.
my conclusion was that none of the ROMs are worth the risk. The first one doesn't perform any better than a stock phone debloated + a better launcher, the second one has a very long boot time, then performs no better than a debloated stocker minus the video recorder.
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lol scott, I never said anywhere that you were *****ing about bricking. I was just wondering why try when you know you have 80% of bricking? But anyways, it's great that you are getting a replacement from AT&T.
Wasn't sure if this would fit better under Q&A, but wanted to get the opinions of my fellow Nexus 5x users who spent some time with stock, unrooted, locked bootloader and then switched to the custom scene and learn just how much better (or worse) the experience was.
I haven't been in the mod game as much since my Galaxy Nexus and Motorola Droid days, when one click root/unlock, custom recovery, flash ROM and flash kernel all took just a few minutes. The guides for the 5x seem a bit more intimidating, especially when it comes to having all the right ingredients to keep Android Pay working. People seem to be saying some really great things about the Cataclysm+ElementalX combo, as well as other ROMs and kernels.
Anyway, before I dive in to the land of full data wipes and avoiding bootloops, I wanted to ask Nexus 5x nation - how's your custom experience, and was it worth it?
I'm using Cataclysm+ElementalX and this
Awesome battery life and screen on time and still very smooth.
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I'm using Cataclysm+ElementalX and this
Awesome battery life and screen on time and still very smooth.
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That's the route I would be looking to take, I think. Response has been great for the interactive governor mods. Was the whole process (unlock, systemless root, ROM/kernel install) pretty easy, or did you run into a lot of issues? Also, Android Pay still working?
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That's the route I would be looking to take, I think. Response has been great for the interactive governor mods. Was the whole process (unlock, systemless root, ROM/kernel install) pretty easy, or did you run into a lot of issues? Also, Android Pay still working?
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Fairly easy yes, I followed Heisenbergs guide , but if you want a more automated way you could try Wugfresh Toolkit, The systemless root is basically has the sam install process (flashable zip) and ElementalX doesn't conflict with system partition so Android pay should work. And, I don't use Android Pay as my country doesn't have (or maybe) Google Play yet. Didn't stumble to any issues at all.
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That's the route I would be looking to take, I think. Response has been great for the interactive governor mods. Was the whole process (unlock, systemless root, ROM/kernel install) pretty easy, or did you run into a lot of issues? Also, Android Pay still working?
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Unlock, Systemless root, ROM/Kernel is extremely easy. That's why I love Nexus Devices. You'll be able to do it in your sleep after the first couple of times. No issues should arise as long as you do everything in the correct order. Android Pay still works with Systemless Root, again, as long as you follow directions.
I'm running Ubermallow and Phasma Kernel, and after trying many different kernels and a few different ROMs, this is definitely my favorite combination. Fast, extremely optimized, just the right amount of customization and Phasma is one of the most feature-rich kernels out there for this phone. Feel free to experiment, though. Everyone has different tastes and usage patterns. So what works for me, may not necessarily be for you. Luckily flashing new ROMs and kernels takes 5 like minutes so you can give them all a shot!
I can safely say that you'll never want to go back to stock after finding the combination that works for you
Thanks for the thoughts and encouragement, all! I do recall the flashing addiction from the old Moto Droid days with Bugless Beast, AOKP and CyanogenMod. Good to know there are some great options here.
Another question I had regarding upgrading to new versions. When 6.0.2 drops, or one of the monthly security updates, etc., it used to just be a dirty flash over the current ROM, clear dalvik/cache, and reboot system. Am I correct in saying it's more involved this time around? The guides seem to point to a lot more steps for your basic ROM upgrades.
Roms and updates
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Another question I had regarding upgrading to new versions. When 6.0.2 drops, or one of the monthly security updates, etc., it used to just be a dirty flash over the current ROM, clear dalvik/cache, and reboot system. Am I correct in saying it's more involved this time around? The guides seem to point to a lot more steps for your basic ROM upgrades.
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This was my first phone that I modified, mainly because I use Linux, and my old phones seems to need Windows to do anything. I followed this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206930. It worked perfectly, and when I needed to apply the update, I followed step 10 of that guide; worked perfectly, with no loss of data or settings at all.
Then, I flashed Cataclysm over that update, without erasing anything other than cache, and when I finished and rebooted, I thought it didn't work until I checked settings and found the rom's single entry for settings. Nothing else changed.
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Thanks for the thoughts and encouragement, all! I do recall the flashing addiction from the old Moto Droid days with Bugless Beast, AOKP and CyanogenMod. Good to know there are some great options here.
Another question I had regarding upgrading to new versions. When 6.0.2 drops, or one of the monthly security updates, etc., it used to just be a dirty flash over the current ROM, clear dalvik/cache, and reboot system. Am I correct in saying it's more involved this time around? The guides seem to point to a lot more steps for your basic ROM upgrades.
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Rom upgrades are easy.
Download the factory image and extract boot.img, system.img, and vendor.img.
Then, run the following:
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash vendor vendor.img
Then reboot into TWRP and flash SuperSu again.
Then wipe cache/dalvik and reboot into system.
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Rom upgrades are easy.
Download the factory image and extract boot.img, system.img, and vendor.img.
Then, run the following:
adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash vendor vendor.img
Then reboot into TWRP and flash SuperSu again.
Then wipe cache/dalvik and reboot into system.
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I assume fastboot flash radio radio.img if a new radio is included with the update, as well?
After reading through all the awesome resources and recommendations provided by you guys, I think I will unlock, root, install TWRP, decrypt, flash Elemental X, and toy with the interactive governor settings thread that's in the general forum.
That way I can keep Android Pay with systemless root and continue to stay up to date on the latest factory images using Tomyk's note above, is that correct?
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I assume fastboot flash radio radio.img if a new radio is included with the update, as well?
After reading through all the awesome resources and recommendations provided by you guys, I think I will unlock, root, install TWRP, decrypt, flash Elemental X, and toy with the interactive governor settings thread that's in the general forum.
That way I can keep Android Pay with systemless root and continue to stay up to date on the latest factory images using Tomyk's note above, is that correct?
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You are correct on the radio.img comment
I personally didn't go the systemless route but I think you're on the right track. I know that a lot of people in other forums have successfully kept Android Pay capabilities after everything so you may want to do a bit more digging. If i find the answer I'll post it for you.
Just as a counter point, stock is working well for me and I feel no need to root at this time. Performance and battery life are already top notch. :good:
N5x, EX kernel, unencrypted, systemless root:
much better performance (both due to EKm and no encryption, and to a lesser extent adaway), worse battery life due to issues with nlpcollectorwakelock from Google play services, which may or may not be related to the rom (Didn't have issues with googleplayservices on stock)
just flashed xposed in an effort to curb these wakelocks by means of Amplify.
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N5x, EX kernel, unencrypted, systemless root:
much better performance (both due to EKm and no encryption, and to a lesser extent adaway), worse battery life due to issues with nlpcollectorwakelock from Google play services, which may or may not be related to the rom (Didn't have issues with googleplayservices on stock)
just flashed xposed in an effort to curb these wakelocks by means of Amplify.
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I've been having problems with Google Play Services battery drain. Since I still haven't taken the leap to unlock and root, I have no way of pinning the wake locks to nlpcollector but that could be my culprit too.
See attached pictures - This happens once every few weeks overnight, and I usually clear apps from memory before going to bed. So much for doze.
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I've been having problems with Google Play Services battery drain. Since I still haven't taken the leap to unlock and root, I have no way of pinning the wake locks to nlpcollector but that could be my culprit too.
See attached pictures - This happens once every few weeks overnight, and I usually clear apps from memory before going to bed. So much for doze.
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it gives me some relief to see that, since that means it's not related to my custom rom, but instead your run of the mill google play services issues..... so hopefully an update to GPS will fix that soon.
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it gives me some relief to see that, since that means it's not related to my custom rom, but instead your run of the mill google play services issues..... so hopefully an update to GPS will fix that soon.
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Play Services goes through weird phases where it just destroys your battery, and without something like amplify to curb the frequent wakelocks, there's no way around it for the average user. It's a shame.
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it gives me some relief to see that, since that means it's not related to my custom rom, but instead your run of the mill google play services issues..... so hopefully an update to GPS will fix that soon.
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FYI - it may have been a recent Snapchat update that made that app even worse than normal. Uninstalled it and smoothness and long battery have returned.
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FYI - it may have been a recent Snapchat update that made that app even worse than normal. Uninstalled it and smoothness and long battery have returned.
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Thanks for the heads up, I don't have snap chat installed though
I switched to the Honor 7x from my Ascend Mate 2 a few months back, and while I love close to everything about this phone, my headphones are substantially quieter using the headphone jack on this phone. I tried fixing this originally by installing viper4android and/dolby, but neither wanted to work on the stock rom. I then tried upgrading to Android Pie, and they didn't work on that, then I tried Resurrection Remix, Omnirom and Lineage OS, and neither would work on any of those either. (I already used the Morfuz kernel to switch to permissive on each rom, didn't help).
I am about at my wit's end and really don't want to have to carry a headphone amp with me. Have any of you found a fix for this?
I had assumed that it was a limit set somewhere in it's OS or software, but could it be a hardware limit that's can't be bypassed?
There is probably some fancy way by editing system files or flashing something.
Since I'm stuck with a locked bootloader and therefor without root or custom recovery I use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodev.volume.booster
I know it's super nooby to solve it this way but I'm not smart enough to figure out another way. I hope this may help you.
Edit: I blocked the notification and enabled start on bootup, so I it's not bothering me. Boost is set to 8% which works fine for me.
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There is probably some fancy way by editing system files or flashing something.
Since I'm stuck with a locked bootloader and therefor without root or custom recovery I use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodev.volume.booster
I know it's super nooby to solve it this way but I'm not smart enough to figure out another way. I hope this may help you.
Edit: I blocked the notification and enabled start on bootup, so I it's not bothering me. Boost is set to 8% which works fine for me.
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I was using the same app when I was on a stock rom, but had issues with it crashing constantly and having to reopen it. That and you only get a little bit of a boost before it starts clipping from my experience. I am going to do some volume tests with custom roms today and will post my findings here.
Wanted to keep a thread for each one opinion on custom roms and why do you choose the rom you are using?
i have tried al custom roms and i always love to flash different ones,
What do you notice regarding stability? performance? battery ? bugs? etc in the rom you are using.
Love to hear all your opinions on this matter.
last time i flashed a custom ROM 10years ago. No need to flash anything since. All factory stock.
All i did for every phone is bloatware removal via ADB
I've only ever used the stock rom since I've had this phone. Using A11, A12 and now A13.
Only 1 annoyances during my time with this phone and stock ROM. ( Camera related blue light bleeding in a very bright artificially lit scenario )
Always stock rom with Root these days
Holy smokes. It's ok to not answer a question if it doesn't apply. Pardon my double negative.
I've been contemplating moving on from to stock to custom, when I came across this thread and thought, well this will be great; several viewpoints about several custom roms, but instead came across a few responses that didn't answer the question that was asked.
It's hard to sift though the roms' threads because, in most cases, you'll see "this is a great rom, everything works perfectly", almost immediately followed by "stuck in a boot loop", "looks like msm again", or "xyz is borked, please fix".
So, to reiterate og's question, what are the thoughts on the custom roms (not stock) for the 1+9pro (not a device from your past)?
Nameless seems to be the most stable out of the custom roms, but lacks more in depth customization. CrDroid and Watchdog are better for customization, but more features usually means more bugs.
I've tried tons of the roms on here and will probably continue to do so as stock OOS just doesn't do it for me. Battery isn't ideal, and aesthetically it's hard to configure to what I like. It definitely works for a lot of people as it has many features and is mostly stable.
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Nameless seems to be the most stable out of the custom roms, but lacks more in depth customization. CrDroid and Watchdog are better for customization, but more features usually means more bugs.
I've tried tons of the roms on here and will probably continue to do so as stock OOS just doesn't do it for me. Battery isn't ideal, and aesthetically it's hard to configure to what I like. It definitely works for a lot of people as it has many features and is mostly stable.
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You favor nameless I'm guessing?
It depends on the day honestly. I have a disease, haha. As of right now that's what I'm using. But I'm sure I will flash something else here in the next week.
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It depends on the day honestly. I have a disease, haha. As of right now that's what I'm using. But I'm sure I will flash something else here in the next week.
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I'm currently on stag os 13, beta from october with a pair of important bugs... however probably I will flash another one tomorrow. I have to decide first which one xD
However I would ask you what are the steps now for flashing another android 13 rom, considering I'm on android 13 and I prefer not do a clean install (dont want to do any wipes as I have my phone tweaked and fully oriented for privacy)
Los20 Google free
Without gapps, store and ps apps
been on nameless for about 6 months, no complaints
Running my own fork of LineageOS 19 with features cherry-picked from other ROMs (nothing against them but I don't need the extra 30 fazillion features they offer when a handful of features I want does the job just fine). Once LineageOS 20 builds resume with fixes for some of the major issues in place (see the LOS 20 thread for OP9Pro), I'll be upgrading to the New Hotness (I've already made the necessary changes and tested them on my OP7Pro test phone, I'm just waiting for the all-clear for the OP9Pro).
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I'm currently on stag os 13, beta from october with a pair of important bugs... however probably I will flash another one tomorrow. I have to decide first which one xD
However I would ask you what are the steps now for flashing another android 13 rom, considering I'm on android 13 and I prefer not do a clean install (dont want to do any wipes as I have my phone tweaked and fully oriented for privacy)
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Oof, that's a tough one. You could *attempt* to do a dirty flash of the rom you're wanting to flash. Although, I wouldn't recommend. I've read that people do it with little side effects, but I've also seen people with lots of bugs.
What I typically do is use swiftbackup for SMS and apps, then just restore those on the new rom. But, depending on what tweaks you've applied, that might make things more difficult. As far as I know, there's not a way to restore everything, especially if the tweaks are specific to the rom. Maybe someone else might know a way?
I kept mine as stock w/root since I got it. Just reflashed and I was blown away with how much nicer it feels. Even with the amount of work I'd done to kill bloatware, background processes, etc on the stock rom.
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Oof, that's a tough one. You could *attempt* to do a dirty flash of the rom you're wanting to flash. Although, I wouldn't recommend. I've read that people do it with little side effects, but I've also seen people with lots of bugs.
What I typically do is use swiftbackup for SMS and apps, then just restore those on the new rom. But, depending on what tweaks you've applied, that might make things more difficult. As far as I know, there's not a way to restore everything, especially if the tweaks are specific to the rom. Maybe someone else might know a way?
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thanks for your answer mate
I didn't touch anything specific to the rom nor kernel. Only much app config and some processes freezing.
So I will save apps+data with my old friend titanium backup pro, don't know another method to do :/
By the way, I will lose root if I do clean flash or can I save that any way?
I guess a clean flash instructions should be something like this?
Extract recovery package zip
Reboot to bootloader & connect your phone to PC
Double click on flash.bat
Reboot to recovery home page & tap Factory reset > Format data/factory reset
Back to recovery home page & tap > Apply update > Apply from ADB
Now sideload rom using command adb sideload <rom_filename>.zip
Now reboot to system.
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thanks for your answer mate
I didn't touch anything specific to the rom nor kernel. Only much app config and some processes freezing.
So I will save apps+data with my old friend titanium backup pro, don't know another method to do :/
By the way, I will lose root if I do clean flash or can I save that any way?
I guess a clean flash instructions should be something like this?
Extract recovery package zip
Reboot to bootloader & connect your phone to PC
Double click on flash.bat
Reboot to recovery home page & tap Factory reset > Format data/factory reset
Back to recovery home page & tap > Apply update > Apply from ADB
Now sideload rom using command adb sideload <rom_filename>.zip
Now reboot to system.
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Of course, glad I could contribute. Swiftbackup will do data for apps as well, but titanium backup should work too if that's what you prefer.
Yep, there's a couple ways to do it, and that will work. As far as root, you will definitely lose it, but you can either sideload magisk:
- download magisk APK and rename to .zip file
- after sideloading rom finishes, reboot to recovery
- sideload magisk.zip
Or
- follow root guide on this forum
Tried about every rom posted that I can find. A lot of nice roms, depends on what you want for customization. The one I prefer is Xtended. Been back and forth since A11 each one a little nicer. The latest -- v5 is best for me. I always go back to it. Currently on stock OOS13. Not all that bad with little tweaking. My disappointment is the lack of kernel development for the phone after A11. I guess the sources released by OnePlus a mess. Waiting for Ancient to be released. Could be nice.
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Of course, glad I could contribute. Swiftbackup will do data for apps as well, but titanium backup should work too if that's what you prefer.
Yep, there's a couple ways to do it, and that will work. As far as root, you will definitely lose it, but you can either sideload magisk:
- download magisk APK and rename to .zip file
- after sideloading rom finishes, reboot to recovery
- sideload magisk.zip
Or
- follow root guide on this forum
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really appreciate your help man, I had forgotten the steps to do root in only 3 months hahaha, my memory is awesome
I followed the method u mention and worked fine
For my words seems I am a newbie but only old hahahah, don't blame on me. I'm on this world of customization/tweaking phones since the old htc one and the first iPhone, so every day it costs me more as I increase my laziness year every passing year xD
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really appreciate your help man, I had forgotten the steps to do root in only 3 months hahaha, my memory is awesome
I followed the method u mention and worked fine
For my words seems I am a newbie but only old hahahah, don't blame on me. I'm on this world of customization/tweaking phones since the old htc one and the first iPhone, so every day it costs me more as I increase my laziness year every passing year xD
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Haha, glad I could help! Memory is my biggest downfall as well, so you're not alone lol
Other backup options I like - tarb and Neo Backup. Swift I don't like because it only stores the latest backup, and the google play tied licensing is annoying when bouncing between various devices.
Used to love titanium backup but it never works successfully for me anymore