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I'm not a pro user and i compared m9 fluidity to nexus 5 and newer google phones, they are obviously smoother than any other high end android phones. Is there a particular reason or setting or mod to make m9 so?
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
Then why did you guys go for the M9? Certainly, nexus devices are more fluid for the obvious reasons... But for me among other oems that offer android,t sense is by far the best... I did go for the M9 for the very reason that no nexus device is comparable to the features of the m9... Nexus devices always lack a thing or two... But yes, if one wants the best experience of Android, they should go for a nexus...
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
Enjoy
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Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
@dladz
It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
I'm waiting for cm13 and marshmallow to see if our phone will get some optimization from nexus 6p because it has same hardware
if will be disappointing (even if this phone is pretty satisfying as it is) I will consider to change phone
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toster jp said:
@dladz
It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
Coming from a Nexus 4, I'm not seeing much difference in fluidness and smoothness. The M9 is right there with the Nexus 4. When the Nexus 5 came out, I did look into it, but the majority of reviews I read didn't see it as a big jump from the 4. Maybe the Nexus 6 is a bigger improvement. I didn't go for the 6 because I don't want a screen that dang big. My wife likes the Samsung Notes, so I am familiar with Touchwiz and will state that Sense is leaps and bounds smoother and more fluid than it. Currently, I do have two Moto Gs in the household and as far as I can tell they are stock Android.
@dladz
First and foremost, read carefully. I'm not just giving You my opinion, I've pointed out where sense isn't smooth while stock is - its not an opinion its fact, I could even make video just to proof that. ( although there are already tons of videos about stock android transitions/animations that sense lacks btw.)
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
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Thats what I want, I like minimal aproach to software. And also, I've explained already why I'm not using nexus currently and also why I use M9 now...
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
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I implicated that many don't, not necessarily You.
About Your video and Your animations pack.. Well I know those animations for years now I was using some of them a few years ago on xperia p and I thought they were cool but i don't think they are anymore as they mostly don't make sense, and also they dont fit with material design philosophy and guidelines. Then again You are not using stock sense and although Your phone is smooth for the most part - You were showcasing parts of software that are usualy smoooth on most android phones.. I already pointed out where sense isn't smooth and I bet that Your sense based rom isn't smooth there as well - You just don't care.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another..
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- did You read my comment to the end..? I've said there that " Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again. " Also I don't like stock software, not hardware and while I cannot change hardare I could change software - and I did...
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there
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First of all, sense roms are even bigger than xperia ones, and also sony's UI is closer to stock android.. ( quick settings, recents, or even softbuttons all these elements ale closer to stock than sense implementations.)
And from what I know, motorola isn't google anymore - its owned by lenovo + motorola's UI is close to stock, but they have their own additions - so its no longer stock..
Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
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- Seriously? I will keep on complaining becasuse it can change a damn thing - its just a software that could be modified. (Also pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) - not even my words - @efrant
By pointing out those shortfalls I'm not saying HTC is bad, I own their phone after all, I'm just trying to show where sense could improve in terms of smothness.
I don't get why so many android guys (ios guys as well) cannot admit that android/their phone isn't perfect. There is a lot to be improved and personally I dont know why I should stay quiet and do nothing about it.
Maybe I'll make a video with nexus 5 running stock marshmallow, and one M9 running both, CM and sense, just to prove that its not M9 hardware that makes phone not so smooth but its own sofrware. ( looking at You sense)
BTW. Have You tried CM 12.1 build from camera bounty thread or have You ever used nexus as Your daily driver? (dladz?)
As for the OP @iprong
You can try flashing this bouild from rashed -http://downloads.hostingsharedbox.com/rashed/m9/himaul/ ( fully functional CM12.1, the latest one is the one You should go with.)
And If You like sense apps then just look for them on xda, I'm sure someone ported them for AOSP based roms.
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It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition-review
??? It's not stock android??? Oh ? It certainly looks like it to me, maybe a few additional addons yea but it's got the launcher, the settings, the lack of any additional UI ? Fact !
As for my opinion, it's based on what i see and feel so yea you're right it's my opinion, however what i'm saying is that the HTC is not a slow phone, it doesn't lag and if you watched my video you'd know that, if your phones lagging then you're obviously doing something wrong, you probably have apps dragging your phone down or it's not been optimised as mine has, as my phone simply does not lag.
And no it wasn't stock sense, it was Leedroid, it had xposed and 2 extra mods making animations, it was also not the most up to date version of android either, it was just a video i made to showcase some mods.
I haven't mentioned stock sense, not once, I am literally speaking from my experience as an experienced modder and user of custom roms, of course it's not stock, why would anyone buy a HTC device and then not mod it? It's ludicrous as their OS without modification is pants and has been for a long time, this is at the end of the day XDA developers, we mod phones, this is why we're here, if you're running total stock then i have no idea why you've come to XDA in the first place as you would be like a fish amongst land mammals.
Stock nexus 6 vs a stock htc device? I have no idea, truthfully, the nexus as it's lighter will probably be a quicker device so in that case i concur it would be, but as i've said, i'm not talking about a stock experience i'm talking about HTC vs ????? whatever, the way i have my phone set up is by far and away a quicker and more fluid phone than anything i've ever used, even my old S3 with Foxhounds rom would be quicker and more fluid than a nexus or even the next nexus, perhaps not but it gives you an indication of whats possible, I'm also more than happy to help people if they need it, if they want to make their phone as mine is or mimmick one of my set ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BJhIqPmJ0
My old s3, this phone flew, without modification this phone was awful, but, thanks to the dev's on XDA namely @raffaele88 it was made possible.
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location?
Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
The primary reason why i have a soft spot for HTC devices and yes perhaps a little bit of a biased opinion is because HTC gave me my first android device and probably spawned the beginning of the android life with superb phones such as the Hero, Desire, Nexus One and the G1, lest we forget, without them we really wouldn't have the choices we have today, I guess some people don't feel as nostalgic as I do or as grateful when buying a device.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
EDIT: @toster jp if you're going to go on like that, i'll just tell you to see what i wrote above too.
If you're having these problems then you either don't know what you're doing or you're being beyond nitpicky.
Either way you're wrong.
And as for a stock experience, i was one of the original pledgers who has paid their amount even though i dont use stock no more.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/bounty-htc-one-m9-aosp-cm12-1-camera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ? I was also the guy who realised that snap cameras api allows the usage of video recording when there was a problem with it, you're welcome
@dladz
Your last comment is such a mess. It also proves nothing and have no much sens to be honest. Your phone don't lag? Great - it doesn't mean that Your phone is fluid, and thats the point. You are just admitting that snapinnes equals to smoothnes for You. ( With animations turned out Your phone won't lag either is it smoooth now? )
Motorola is using modified stock, = its no longer stock android, its simple as that. And if You cannot see a difference betwen them then well, its just a good sign that You weren't using stock android much..
Also - details makes a difference. Details are part of user experience that You don't care much from what I can see.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
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And who doesn't mod their phone out there? If someone is wrong there its You and not us, but if You are satisfied with ' a quick phone without lags' then great for You. We just demend a bit more and yeah, we do care about those details that doesn't mater for You.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-...amera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ?
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You dont see my name on that list because I dont think that this device is worth even more money on it, 25bucks for s-off was enaugh for me That changes nothing anyway.
Btw, You are just trying to convince us that sense is smoother than pure android when its clearly not, and Your biggest points are that we are doing sth wrong couse Your phone isn't lagging? Or You are trying to convince us that details doesn't matter? Its just painful to read
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location? Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
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XDA is not necesarly place for people who love HTC,( even in htc thread ) and no, owning HTC device doesn't make anybody a fanboy.
Thread cleaned and closed. Cursing and personal attacks are not allowed on the forums. We should be able to have a civilized non-emotional discussion.
Disclaimer: This is rant, a civilized one, if you disagree with me, you are welcome to illustrate me but offenses are not appreciated.
This phone is great, but it refuses to be acceptable as a daily driver.
Developers are the best people in the world, they do what they do with no return at all sometimes, but the software (the lack of a good kernel base) makes it really hard to enjoy. I could never get more than 4.5 hours of SOT on any ROM, whereas stock would give me at least 5.5; however stock software is a bad joke for the Android base and the camera output is nerve wracking...
The CDLA headphones are a must, no one likes the dongle and it seems that (due to broken kernel) no dev was able to figure out this one (clarifying again that I don't blame them). So my options are to get used to carry the dongle or to the crack and pop from the CDLA ones... hmmmmmm......
I see the exact same story as with the Amazon phone, on its time, the Amazon phone had a really good thing going here in XDA, but the bootloader was never unlocked and the momentum was lost. I had to let go on my Fire phone....
For the LePro3, many great options are at hand at the same price, I'm looking heavily right now at the LG G5 from the $200 custom rom on eBay, WAY BETTER camera (like 10X times better), about the same battery life if you compare custom ROM of LePro3 vs stock of LG G5, and I have to admit that although I dislike LG's interface, it is tolerable.
Also, the LeEco servers (including the one that supports OTAs) has been down for at least 3 days (that I have tried myself), like seriously, we know the company is nearly in bankruptcy although still having customer support working, but the fact that security updates have halted and servers are down, tells me that there is something wrong going on.
At $200 dlls that I got the phone for, it is still not worth it for *me*.
My Moto Z play was $450 with a hasselblad camera mod that I was able to sell to get $100 in return, so for $350, I would still take yet another Moto Z Play at the current price, with way lower specifications, than taking a LePro3 for $200.
Help yourself and download these apps
Power Toggles
ACDisplay
Simple Control
Fingerprint Quick Action
Pixel Launcher
Modify the DPI to 300 via ADB
Download Google Camera (2.7) , Phone, Contacts etc from APKMirror
I am enjoying all the benefits from stock ROM plus emulated stock Android experience. =D
I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
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This phone is great, but it refuses to be acceptable as a daily driver.
Developers are the best people in the world, they do what they do with no return at all sometimes, but the software (the lack of a good kernel base) makes it really hard to enjoy. I could never get more than 4.5 hours of SOT on any ROM, whereas stock would give me at least 5.5; however stock software is a bad joke for the Android base and the camera output is nerve wracking...
The CDLA headphones are a must, no one likes the dongle and it seems that (due to broken kernel) no dev was able to figure out this one (clarifying again that I don't blame them). So my options are to get used to carry the dongle or to the crack and pop from the CDLA ones... hmmmmmm......
I see the exact same story as with the Amazon phone, on its time, the Amazon phone had a really good thing going here in XDA, but the bootloader was never unlocked and the momentum was lost. I had to let go on my Fire phone....
For the LePro3, many great options are at hand at the same price, I'm looking heavily right now at the LG G5 from the $200 custom rom on eBay, WAY BETTER camera (like 10X times better), about the same battery life if you compare custom ROM of LePro3 vs stock of LG G5, and I have to admit that although I dislike LG's interface, it is tolerable.
Also, the LeEco servers (including the one that supports OTAs) has been down for at least 3 days (that I have tried myself), like seriously, we know the company is nearly in bankruptcy although still having customer support working, but the fact that security updates have halted and servers are down, tells me that there is something wrong going on.
At $200 dlls that I got the phone for, it is still not worth it for *me*.
My Moto Z play was $450 with a hasselblad camera mod that I was able to sell to get $100 in return, so for $350, I would still take yet another Moto Z Play at the current price, with way lower specifications, than taking a LePro3 for $200.
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I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
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I have to agree with rivethead23 I got the Pro 3 and immediately flashed the Turbo Destroyer rom on it and have never had any regrets
I also bought an LG G6 and I found it was no upgrade to the Pro 3 and ended up returning it.
My advice is to Flash the Turbo EUI 21S v20 rom and Nova launcher with Nova Google companion and you get the best experience from this device
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I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
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Pretty much this.
I'm using the phone on stock 26s, pretty heavily customized though: Magisk, Xposed, Viper, GravityBox, Tasker, stock android/Google apps like Dialer Contact Messages Calendar Keep Hangout Gmail etc., Nova Launcher with companion, PlayerPro and VLC, Brave browser... I removed all Chinese bloatware, and stock apps I don't need anymore like Contact, Message, Music, Video, Browser, Launcher, LIVE, lots of LeEco apps, etc. Disabled all stock extra memory optimizations to let Android deal with memory. Splash and bootanim without Chinese. Etc.
It works really great, battery is still really good (I often have 5 or 5.5 hours SoT at the end of the day), I customized a lot of things to make it exactly how I wanted it. So far, the best device I owned, and one of the cheapest...
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Pretty much this.
I'm using the phone on stock 26s, pretty heavily customized though: Magisk, Xposed, Viper, GravityBox, Tasker, stock android/Google apps like Dialer Contact Messages Calendar Keep Hangout Gmail etc., Nova Launcher with companion, PlayerPro and VLC, Brave browser... I removed all Chinese bloatware, and stock apps I don't need anymore like Contact, Message, Music, Video, Browser, Launcher, LIVE, lots of LeEco apps, etc. Disabled all stock extra memory optimizations to let Android deal with memory. Splash and bootanim without Chinese. Etc.
It works really great, battery is still really good (I often have 5 or 5.5 hours SoT at the end of the day), I customized a lot of things to make it exactly how I wanted it. So far, the best device I owned, and one of the cheapest...
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Is 26s an official update? I've only received 21s ota on my x727
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Is 26s an official update? I've only received 21s ota on my x727
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It's the latest Chinese stock ROM for x720.
ALSO RANT:
Well the issue is with android itself, there is no real AOSP phone, i don't get why manufaturers just don't put AOSP on phone and be done with it, i guess target for android phones are geeks, at least this kind of android phones. I wanted dual sim phone, but now i think i will manage some woraround and go ios, as bad as it is, OS is much more polished and unified.
Even Moto with almost stock android still does not get direct google updates, it is just bad design.
BTW i use pro3 as daily, i get 8 + hours SOT with stock firmare, i managed to get ACR to work quite good, DND to work quite good, but still, default apps, like browser does not work, google integration is crap, even with launcher 3, missing pulldown is a joke and google services crash quite often so ... meh, but still better then my gs4 with new battery and lineage
Oh and also the ambient light sensors sets screen too dim for me at night, until now I had opposite problem with all the other phones i had.
I also have galaxy s7 at hand to use and in my opinion samsung android is even worse.
The main issue is there is really no Android OS, no phone with AOSP, which is only real Android OS, only ****ton of phones with more or less molested OS.
BTW my budget was 1100usd for a phone, i still chose pro3 and I still think, despite it's flaws, for me, it is best choice, which is sad, but it is reality, we can't change it, reality is reality. I will try z2 force with battery pack if they sell it officially in Czech, but I don't expect much.
Oh my I thought I was the only one with the headphone issue
Hmm my Le Pro 3 is coming soon... But I'm more likely to just sell It while it's new and make some $$$ of it. Seeing this rants and all... AOSP/lineage is a must for me, same as Oreo.
Just gonna buy OP5 to replace my Bacon. Maybe that jelly pentile so not exactly FHD, POS display won't be so bad...
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Hmm my Le Pro 3 is coming soon... But I'm more likely to just sell It while it's new and make some $$$ of it. Seeing this rants and all... AOSP/lineage is a must for me, same as Oreo.
Just gonna buy OP5 to replace my Bacon. Maybe that jelly pentile so not exactly FHD, POS display won't be so bad...
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These rants are about things that we would like to have on the device and are inevitable, like the fact that we knew that there was no headphone jack and that the CDLA headphones are not perfect on custom software, we knew it and still took the chance, not the phone or dev's fault.
Other than that, the phone is amazing, you should give it a go, I don't think you can get too much money out of it, this is the wrong phone to re-sell for higher.
Also, you have a very specific example from other people in this thread, which is, you might like stock software which gives you the best battery life for the device.
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These rants are about things that we would like to have on the device and are inevitable, like the fact that we knew that there was no headphone jack and that the CDLA headphones are not perfect on custom software, we knew it and still took the chance, not the phone or dev's fault.
Other than that, the phone is amazing, you should give it a go, I don't think you can get too much money out of it, this is the wrong phone to re-sell for higher.
Also, you have a very specific example from other people in this thread, which is, you might like stock software which gives you the best battery life for the device.
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I pretty OK with using adapter, no problem with me. I ordered it from China so when it gets to Europe it is worth more. I certainly would not lose money on it.
The only things that worry me are uncertain future of Oreo on this device and overall stability. I currently manage over 4 hours SOT with my OnePlus One.... Why this thing with 4070 Mah (thousand f-ing more) does 4.5 H or slightly more ? With newer SoC, screen etc. Stock software is a no-go for me. Android 6.0 is a no-go for me. So I rely on custom ROMs and dev support. At least dev support here is great!
Coming from Nexus and Nexus 5x, I was used to having so many roms and kernels. Getting LP3 was a big big jump and I did not like it in early days when no roms were available.
Now with more than enough roms and solid kernels, I do not miss anything. Omni Rom gives me 9 hrs of screen on time for my usage. It does not feel/act different than roms I used before.
The only problem was the camera performance. But with Google Camera port, that is no longer a problem now.
Where is AOSP Extended? RR? Viper OS?
Bunch of reasons, though the primary one that I would guess is the phone is bootloader locked for Verizon. I'm not sure how wide spread this phone is on other networks at this point that are unlockable, but the most are probably
on verizon. I stopped using the nexus line when it stopped. Moto phones are close to stock and with the projector mod, a cheap entry price deal from verizon, I took a risk and went with this phone. My most durable nexus phone was the 6, which was made by motorola. I'm loving the quality of the phone and the battery life. I even picked up a dirt cheap moto z play on craigslist and love it just as much and its even better battery.
If you really care about custom roms, you gotta do some research and follow the developers, not necessarily the other way around. I'm not sure what I am going to do in a year for my next phone, but I do liked trying out the other vendors.
I feel, there have not been many buyers of the Z2 Play, hence the community support for this smartphone is quite low.
Before the Z2 play i used to own a Galaxy S4 mini, which has great support till date, and threads for different Custom Android versions of Viper, XenonHD, RR,AOKP, AICP, are still active.
There are a lot more Custom Android versions for the s4 mini but they have got inactive only some months ago.
Even now development for Android O version for the S4 mini is going on.
The main reason according to me is, s4 mini got a lot of buyers, and the small form factor plus the removable battery made a lot of its users stick to it , and luckily a lot of them seem to have been Android developers .
Is that because phone is relative new?
I hope soon this changes!
So I guess I will keep using my rooted Droid Turbo.
I guess I wrongly assumed that since the bootloader could be unlocked, there would be developement.
Don't get me wrond. I totally appreciate what has been accomplished!
I am grateful for root and TWRP!
I find it hard to believe that Motorola/Lenovo has not posted the stock firmware for this device.
I really like having a rooted phone, mostly for the ability ot install dark themes. I really hate white backgrounds and status bar icons.
I prefer Motorola phones. I wonder what my next phone will be...
I will surely wait until stock firmware is actually available, prior to purchase.
A few days ago they (Lenovo) released the kernel source code for Oreo so that might help some devs to start developing for our device if they want.
We're not gonna see a lot of developer support for the device for one reason: not a lot of people have a z2 Play. At least, not enough for devs to actually care about supporting our device which not enough people are using it to garner enough interest.
It also helps that the z2 Play was a push in the wrong direction towards battery life and thus, most potential buyers, most of which are going to be Moto Z Play owners, are gonna stick with their current phones.
who else love it
I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.
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I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.
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I came from pocophone too. Lack of development is kinda disappointing, and i recently saw that delevopers said "TWRP may never come because of the new partition layout on android 10".
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I came from pocophone too. Lack of development is kinda disappointing, and i recently saw that delevopers said "TWRP may never come because of the new partition layout on android 10".
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Don't know if it's never gonna come or devs just haven't had the time to work on it. I read on their blog that the primary dev was having his child born and coudn't work on it. Also if I'm not mistaken the only phones with Android 10 out of the box as of right now are the Pixel 4 series and the Oneplus 7T series so not a lot to work on. Wait until Xiaomi, Samsung and more brands release Android 10 by default and I think development of TWRP on this new kind of partition system is gonna get more attention. That is why I'm hopeful that development for this phone can get more attention "soon-ish".
I like it alot wish there was more development tho
If google would just make something this quality i would buy one of their phones already. I was dissapointed in the looks of the pixel 4. They cheaped out on their components to maximize profits and its obvious. I have been mostly happy with the oneplus 7t but it has had some serious quirks too. I have had to reset mine several times and I am dealing with gps issues constantly.
I mostly love my OnePlus 7t. Though it has some issues. That need addressed. Also the lack of customization options is irritating coming from a custom ROM standpoint.
Love my 7T
Can't wait for TWRP to de-google this phone, but outside of that I totally love it. Although, to be fair this is my very first 'smart' phone so I really have nothing to compare it to. I think it's pretty damn great, actually.
Love the phone? hate the lack of development for it ?
I like it but will definitely hold off on next purchase to make sure development is more active. Luckily oxygen os is pretty decent, but still leaves a lot to be desired.
Can you guys tell me, what exactly you lack of for customization features? No offense, just out of curiosity.
I am flashing all of the devices in my household since the HTC desire days, like for the past 5..6..7 years or so... Constantly looking for the optimal ROM for me or my fiance's use case, tinkering with custom kernels, governer settings, blocking wakelocks... Whatsoever.
This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active. For me android and OSS has come such a long way that all I build in aftermarket is now integrated in stock. Now it is just rooted, debloated and adfree. That's it for me. Although I somehow miss the long nights of flashing and trying out multiple stuff one after another, but also life gets more serious and time consumable so it's ok for me. I guess same for most of the gurus from the old days.. lol
I now can do my hobby more or less for a living, so no need to do it in my free time anymore...
What do you guys think? Is it just my feeling that the development branch somehow radically changed?
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I love this phone I installed Omni via adb and never looked back. I really want to get a lineage build on it but the builds I tried to make are very broken.
xe0r said:
Can you guys tell me, what exactly you lack of for customization features? No offense, just out of curiosity.
I am flashing all of the devices in my household since the HTC desire days, like for the past 5..6..7 years or so... Constantly looking for the optimal ROM for me or my fiance's use case, tinkering with custom kernels, governer settings, blocking wakelocks... Whatsoever.
This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active. For me android and OSS has come such a long way that all I build in aftermarket is now integrated in stock. Now it is just rooted, debloated and adfree. That's it for me. Although I somehow miss the long nights of flashing and trying out multiple stuff one after another, but also life gets more serious and time consumable so it's ok for me. I guess same for most of the gurus from the old days.. lol
I now can do my hobby more or less for a living, so no need to do it in my free time anymore...
What do you guys think? Is it just my feeling that the development branch somehow radically changed?
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I agree. Since I left HTC (the M9 being he last one) I have not had the need to flash a custom ROM. Was on a Nokia 8 previously and the vanilla-ish android was good. I only missed the weather clock and mail app from HTC - but they are going down sadly so had to jump ship. Left Nokia as they launched too many phones and were not fixing bugs on their ex-flagships - promised to fixed their camera app but never came for example.
With the 7T I have to say I hardly have any complaint. Customisations are great and the phone is amazing. Adjusting the bokeh blur (live bokeh) would have been great even if it was after taking the photo but nothing else to complain about to be fair.
I do miss the old late nights flashing ROMS though - but like you say, life is different now. I haven't even rooted the Nokia and 7T! haha
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This is the first device I am happy with while it is just unlocked and rooted witch only a 1 magisk module active.
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Same for me! Running latest stable OSS (10.0.12) with xXx Rom/Module and thats it. Happy as I've been with any of my other OnePlus phones
foomanjackel said:
Same for me! Running latest stable OSS (10.0.12) with xXx Rom/Module and thats it. Happy as I've been with any of my other OnePlus phones
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May I ask what version of xXx Rom/Module you are using for our OnePlus 7T?
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May I ask what version of xXx Rom/Module you are using for our OnePlus 7T?
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the latest: 12.0
hectorviov said:
I thought there was gonna be a "but" on the text lol. I do love it too, I came to this phone from a Pocophone and the only thing i miss is the custom ROMs development on the Oneplus 7T.
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Hi, I also came from Poco F1. Amazing phone. Took me a while to get use to OP7T even thought it is better in many ways. I bought it new for 300 pounds and then after a year on October 2019 I found a deal like hell and bought a new OP7T for 360 pounds. Amoled display was the biggest advantage I noticed for the first time. Later I could not even look on the Poco F1 display and before I was astonished by the quality of the LCD panel. I got so much used to the face unlock on F1 cause it was so freaking fast and precise even at complete dark. That and the fast fingerprint scanner is another think I missed for a while. But eventually I get used to the in-display one (but they still could add one more on the back cause it is the perfect place for it). Also that I was so used to the MIUI, the environment was kind of weird for me. But with little bit of tweaking and setting up Nova launcher, which I have been using already for like 8 years anyway, helped a lot. And I even found some tweaks I could not do in MIUI. But like you mentioned, there were so much variety of ROMs and hell I like rooting, flashing and stuff like this. There is also one function I found only in MIUI and which helped me a lot when I came lazy like hell from night shift home and that is that you could mirror your screen to smart TV, lets say play a sitcom or whatever, and minimize it on the device itself so I could be on FB, YT, even play a games and not disturb media streaming to my TV. I wish Oneplus add this feature in future.
I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
Unfortunately, the stability does suffer on the 9 Pro. It's one of the things you'll have to live with. To be fair, most phones aren't that great in 2022. Samsung has horrible battery life and Apple's caught in that iCloud scanning controversy. Pixel 6 is meh for a phone, the chip just can't keep up.
So pick your poison.
aforocars said:
I am a big fan of cell phones and installing custom roms.
In the past I have had several oneplus like the o 3t, 6t, 7pro, and without a doubt the one that has disappointed me the most is the one I have now, the 9 pro European version.
It was already a big shock the purchase price, but I longed for the old days in which you could find dozens of functional roms for your oneplus and enjoyed exploring it.
Before I bought it I saw that there was community so I decided to get the 9 pro... but after half a year I am quite disappointed.
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
aforocars said:
It makes me sad that there is no rom with all the features perfectly validated, battery life and customization superior to the stock rom and with the native camera app, I always believed that custom roms served to improve the stock one (very sloppy compared to previous times), but at the moment it is not so.
I admire developers a lot, and I know how difficult it is, just maybe my mistake was waiting for this oneplus to have its soul of the past, and now I don't know if it has a solution or it is better to sell it before its price plummets.
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I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.
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if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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vincemue said:
if you think stock OS is better than custom rom for the 9pro, just stick with stock.
if you are not satisfied with the result from people who do support custom roms in their free time, maybe think about doing it yourself instead of complaining.
also there is probably a reason, why the stock cam is not available in any custom rom...
there are great gcam alternatives, that work well.
for me the custom rom is way better, after the OOS 12 disaster from oneplus.
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The point of my comment was not any criticism of developers, maybe I should have put this " I admire developers a lot" in bold.
Neither stock rom nor custom roms are what they used to be in oneplus devices.
Timmmmaaahh! said:
I'm afraid you don't understand how development works. Custom ROM developers rely mainly on how developer friendly a phone manufacturer is. OnePlus has known a steady decline in community support in the past few years. You would be amazed how difficult it is to make components like a fingerprint reader or camera work properly if no sources are released. This is a massive challenge that this community struggles with every single day. To be honest I'm even surprised they get the hardware working so fast. I'm not familiar with today's hacks but I remember the camera of the OnePlus "Bacon" One was quite the piece of work. I am still thankful to @Sultanxda for the near magic he performed on this and many other devices. Interesting read: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code
But that was then, "simpler times". With all added security measures by Big G nowadays and how reluctant OnePlus has become to cooperate with the very community that made them so great it can only have become more difficult. They say "added security" but they really mean "protecting our economic interests". If custom development is so important to you it should've been a part of your selection process when buying a new phone. That's what I asked myself when I was looking for a device for my son: "What's cheap, has a decent battery, some gaming capabilities and has a solid development community?". I got him a Xiaomi Poco M3, no regrets. I've been on the 6T for over 3 years now and will likely be on the lookout for an upgrade later this year. Development will be an important selling point. Nothing looks promising! If it's going to be as 'open' as they claim, it will have amazing community support.
TL;DR: Don't look to independant devs about quirky ROM development, complain to the companies about their lack of community support instead.
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I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.
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I probably know the world of development a lot better than you think... , I wasn't complaining at all about the developers, just my misconception that oneplus was what it used to be.
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So we're basically saying the same thing? Alright then! Easy discussion. Maybe literally say you're disappointed in OnePlus next time, that would've made more sense.