I've read a lot about the OOS camera and the various cameras in non OOS ROMs (CM, Aosp, etc). I was wondering if we have gotten to a point where they perform similarly. I've heard mixed opinions.
Also why does OnePlus not release the camera source? They eventually released dash charging source, so I'm curious as to why they wouldn't do the same for the camera?
From what i've experienced, almost all well-lit shots (Both outdoor and indoor) perform almost as well on non-OOS ROMs as they do on OOS. For the discerning eye, OOS shots are still more crisp, but there is enough of a parity there that i don't think most people would notice. Any shot that isn't well-lit, OOS has non-OOS beat. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a wide margin. In poor lighting, the non-OOS ROMs have gotten better, but it's still pretty clear that OOS is the better performer. Almost all of the issues with these shots come down to the noise cancellation.
When it comes to video, it's a mixed bag. On OOS 3.5.3 community build, the 1080P 60fps mode is amazingly fluid, and for the most part fantastic. The 4k mode is decent from what i can tell, although i don't really use it that much. The slow motion mode is great. On non-OOS ROMs, it depends on the ROM really. SultanXDA's ROM with his custom HAL probably has the best performance as far as video goes. The built-in camera app does a decent job at 1080p video and the 4k seems OK, but again, i don't use that mode very often. Video performance in other camera apps seems decent. On OOS 3.2.6, i had some issues with video performance though, so it's not all roses there if that's the version you're running.
Carl Pei has made it clear on Twitter and on a Reddit AMA that OnePlus will never release a fully open source camera stack. I suspect that this probably has to do with proprietary noise suppression algorithms and some other proprietary optimizations that OnePlus has engineered. It needs to be mentioned that the camera hardware is only one part of the equation when it comes to camera performance. There are a number of software components that go into a full camera experience. There really needs to be both to get full utilization out of a piece of camera hardware. As far as i've heard, OnePlus is "looking at ways" to bring the full OOS camera experience to non-OOS ROMs, but nobody really knows what that entails as of yet.
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From what i've experienced, almost all well-lit shots (Both outdoor and indoor) perform almost as well on non-OOS ROMs as they do on OOS. For the discerning eye, OOS shots are still more crisp, but there is enough of a parity there that i don't think most people would notice. Any shot that isn't well-lit, OOS has non-OOS beat. Sometimes by a little, sometimes by a wide margin. In poor lighting, the non-OOS ROMs have gotten better, but it's still pretty clear that OOS is the better performer. Almost all of the issues with these shots come down to the noise cancellation.
When it comes to video, it's a mixed bag. On OOS 3.5.3 community build, the 1080P 60fps mode is amazingly fluid, and for the most part fantastic. The 4k mode is decent from what i can tell, although i don't really use it that much. The slow motion mode is great. On non-OOS ROMs, it depends on the ROM really. SultanXDA's ROM with his custom HAL probably has the best performance as far as video goes. The built-in camera app does a decent job at 1080p video and the 4k seems OK, but again, i don't use that mode very often. Video performance in other camera apps seems decent. On OOS 3.2.6, i had some issues with video performance though, so it's not all roses there if that's the version you're running.
Carl Pei has made it clear on Twitter and on a Reddit AMA that OnePlus will never release a fully open source camera stack. I suspect that this probably has to do with proprietary noise suppression algorithms and some other proprietary optimizations that OnePlus has engineered. It needs to be mentioned that the camera hardware is only one part of the equation when it comes to camera performance. There are a number of software components that go into a full camera experience. There really needs to be both to get full utilization out of a piece of camera hardware. As far as i've heard, OnePlus is "looking at ways" to bring the full OOS camera experience to non-OOS ROMs, but nobody really knows what that entails as of yet.
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Thanks for the excellent explanation!
Also worth considering that the camera isn't manufactured by one plus, can't remember what off hand who's sensor they're using, so they would need manufacturers permission to release driver source.
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Also worth considering that the camera isn't manufactured by one plus, can't remember what off hand who's sensor they're using, so they would need manufacturers permission to release driver source.
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Rear camera sensor is SONY IMX298 Exmor RS
Front camera sensor is SONY IMX179
On topic: i have always used Nexus and loved changing ROMs and trying new roms. With oneplus 2 i could do it, because of a good camera port, but in this phone... OOS is a must if you want to take decent pictures
Oos 3.5.2 camera is insanely good and super fast. Really its faster than iphone 6s plus camera with oos
Luckily we have xposed framework, so we can customize our op3 using oos roms, but yeah... It kinda sucks we have to use oos just because of camera. It doesnt matter app you use in custom roms, it will lack libs, drivers etc...
Same as FPS. OOS is insanely fast but with any custom ROM (even with released sources) its slower (still fast but i notice that difference)
Edit: btw oos is a pretty nice ROM.
Lacks customization? Yes, but xposed framework will do that
compared to S7 or HTC 10 the OnePlus3 camera sux
Only For camera I can't use any Custom rom
Sadly comment here.. Cz i tasted all rom here and There iso no good camera custom rom.. all custom camera sucks ?..
Now i am using 3.2.4 cz 3.2.6 camera also missing focus on right place.. and I love to capture regular macro shot via my mobile...
But i buy it also tested custom rom.. but i can'T!! only for bad camera ??
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Ok. I love MIUI. However, I always come back to sense. The #1 reason is the camera just seems to work better on sense roms.
No app on the Android market seems to measure up in terms of camera software.
Anybody having better luck than I am?
"Let's go mountaineers...beat the hell out of Pitt" - Bob Huggins
Nope, I don't think MIUI even offers front camera. Sense all the way in my opinion.
Im using MIUI and it works great for me,i dont take many pictures either.They make cameras for that.
MIUI does have front camera. You just have to lower the quality.
I use my phone to take pictures at sporting events with surprisingly good quality.
But only from sense roms
"Let's go mountaineers...beat the hell out of Pitt" - Bob Huggins
As OnePlus is a smaller company, it's understandable that they may not have the resources to fix all of the bugs, release security updates and work on the Android Nougat update all at the same time.
If you could ask One Plus to concentrate on 1 thing, what would it be?
For me this is easy. Video stabilization is broke at the moment.
Once they fix this, the Android N update would be nice. :angel:
For me. I think videos stabilization is acceptable honestly speaking its not that bad. We can co-op with it as being an average user. And for those of them who wants best in class video quality you better invest in something way better as the camera on oneplus is far better then the competition. And there's practically no drawbacks at all, imo. Speaking of which you won't get better than this in just a budget of Rs. 28k or $400. As the given market standard you have to spend almost double for samsung Sony and triple for the apple devices. So taking the compatibility and user experience in consideration. I think i can pick a oneplus 3 on any day. So in my opinion. OnePlus for the given moment should only concentrate on the nougat update. So that oneplus's flagship get some reputation of providing good and fast updates as doing so will enhance the market reputation and add another reason to get oneplus 3 asap. As if they provide an update within this quarter they will have a hefty amount of time to concentrate the video stabilization. As it is usable but there's nothing better than the best. ?
Random soft reboots of phone, especially when using Bluetooth + GPS like waze
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Front Camera quality, it just sucks. You go to a zone with a bit of a low light and the noise is unacceptable. OPO's front cam was miles better than this crap.
Faster WiFi chipsets , or nougat 7.1
7.1
Better digitizer glass
Camera , image quality and UI interface is really lousy. I always accidentally switch photo mode to video mode when try to zoom in or zoom out .
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I would ask for a stock camera app that all Roms could use.
Better camera than iPhone and Pixel
No doubt.........Android 7 update. Everything else in this phone is ok according to its price.
Rom flashing to be a lot safer & easy. Not like now, Twrp or firmware needs to be reinstal almost on every time you flash a new rom.
Better LTE, phone signal, camera.
Fix not users issue :highfive: like stabilization
I would love to see improvement of built in apps like gallery, music, shelf, launcher, camera, clock and enabling FM radio. More tweaks and cool useful features.
I.e: alarm clock that plays your favourit FM radio instead of tone / editing a ringtone in music app...
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Im happy with everything on my OP3, everything works super well imo.
A well built Android 7 would be great.
As the author of this poll I'm surprised by the results. In other places, there are people that moan that the OP3 is a buggy unsupported mess.
By most users opting for the N update, it proves the device is generally solid and the issues are the minority not the majority of users.
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Better digitizer glass
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Why?
I don't really care about V7. I'm more concerned about them screwing up Oxygen OS by making it into Hydrogen OS.
Software wise i just want regular security updates and big fixes. Once they have that down they can worry about messing up the UI and adding useless features.
Pipedream, replace your stock recovery with twrp and stop making me reinstall it after updates.
On the hardware front I just want an SD card. I don't need it obviously but I would prefer it.
I think it's time to forget about DRM and stupid Sony image processing, bionz and other stupid s...t from Sony.
Just look at the differences:
1. Xzp Sony's sh... t camera
https://youtu.be/CZaWOCd9YjI
2. Ultracorder
https://youtu.be/4hann0Mt4uk
Same differences in 4k also.
Now tell me pls wtf is wrong with stupid Sony!
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I think it's time to forget about DRM and stupid Sony image processing, bionz and other stupid s...t from Sony.
Just look at the differences:
1. Xzp Sony's sh... t camera
https://youtu.be/CZaWOCd9YjI
2. Ultracorder
https://youtu.be/4hann0Mt4uk
Same differences in 4k also.
Now tell me pls wtf is wrong with stupid Sony!
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ok maybe it has improved light handeling but what about some features lilke super-slowmo, 60fps, intelligent steady shooting etc...
plus, it has more light, but it still has noise, the movement isnt as smooth the only good thing here is light sensitivity improved, but we need more demonstration and more features compared to see whats worth it, rooting to get the ultracoder or stay rooted with DRM... we need some hard convincing differences
plus, can you show us differences in photo quality as well?
If you install a camera app with locked BL or with drm fix, it will still use the sony noise reduction and image processing software. You need AOSP bypass that. So my question: what firmware was used?
Stock, 179 with locked bootloader. What the catch? The differences are huge. Could Sony enabled drm in 3rd part apps? I recently downgraded to nougat and also have compared camera stock nougat to stock 179 oreo and there is a huge difference in quality. Sony's AI has improved from nougat to oreo.
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Stock, 179 with locked bootloader. What the catch? The differences are huge. Could Sony enabled drm in 3rd part apps? I recently downgraded to nougat and also have compared camera stock nougat to stock 179 oreo and there is a huge difference in quality. Sony's AI has improved from nougat to oreo.
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wait so youre saying you have managed to take videos with improved light performance while still locked and not rooted? how? care to share with us? also could you care to share picture comparison and video comparison under more enviroment settings? or simpley tell us how you did it so I can try for myself and see which is actually better in all cenarios.
Yes. Just install that app. Ultracorder... ?
It's easy to see if DRM is active in third-party apps. Test it on stock with locked bootloader and then test it on stock with unlocked bootloader without DRM fix.
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Yes. Just install that app. Ultracorder...
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downloaded 1.0.5 as 1.0.6 says "not supported in your country" dunno why XD
I do see a huge difference in terms of light plus the stock camera is way farrrrr zoomed in compared to the ultracorder, light is way better on ultracorder, but it doesnt have no working functions, no stabilization nothing at all, could be useful at night times but i dunno needs more testing
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I did a little video testing (in 4k mode in both cameras)
1) In low light conditions, yes the ultracorder does perform better.
2) In terms of heavy light conditions (day light, under the sun), the stock does appear to have better handling, but in low light it sucks bad.
Conclusion:
would I use the Ultracorder as my default video taking app?
No. Why? simpley because in heavy light it doesnt perform better than stock, even a little worse plus it doesnt have any useable function like the stabilization, or slowmo etc...
BUT, I would definitely use it under low light conditions as it seems to out-perform the stock by so many levels, plus its not zoomed in like the stock, and it makes low light videos look a lot better in terms of everything except the stabilization, but i would definitely make it my default go to when in low light conditions!
but in daylight I would prefer the stock, but great job on the lowlight by Ultracorder, definitely will be so useful in night condtions.
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downloaded 1.0.5 as 1.0.6 says "not supported in your country" dunno why XD
I do see a huge difference in terms of light plus the stock camera is way farrrrr zoomed in compared to the ultracorder, light is way better on ultracorder, but it doesnt have no working functions, no stabilization nothing at all, could be useful at night times but i dunno needs more testing
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I did a little video testing (in 4k mode in both cameras)
1) In low light conditions, yes the ultracorder does perform better.
2) In terms of heavy light conditions (day light, under the sun), the stock does appear to have better handling, but in low light it sucks bad.
Conclusion:
would I use the Ultracorder as my default video taking app?
No. Why? simpley because in heavy light it doesnt perform better than stock, even a little worse plus it doesnt have any useable function like the stabilization, or slowmo etc...
BUT, I would definitely use it under low light conditions as it seems to out-perform the stock by so many levels, plus its not zoomed in like the stock, and it makes low light videos look a lot better in terms of everything except the stabilization, but i would definitely make it my default go to when in low light conditions!
but in daylight I would prefer the stock, but great job on the lowlight by Ultracorder, definitely will be so useful in night condtions.
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Did you buy the app or find a free version? It cost £4.49 for me in the UK
I saw this video: https://youtu.be/gyV9G3BRaSk
oke.... I will buy a Huawei and dont use the Google sshhhtttt show how legally buy the Software?
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I saw this video: https://youtu.be/gyV9G3BRaSk
oke.... I will buy a Huawei and dont use the Google sshhhtttt show how legally buy the Software?
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mcpro24fps is much better than any existing video solutions including...
dadadaaaam...
even filmic pro!!!
and costs laughable money.
I've run LineageOS 17.1 on three different (refurbished) LG V20 H918s- on all of them, if the camera worked, the picture quality was horrific despite having a 16 MP camera. If I were to get a 7T and root/flash a new ROM on it, would the 32 extra MP give slightly better camera quality? I understand that with a custom ROM the camera quality will never match the stock one, but I'm curious if the camera quality is the same on all modded phones or if it depends on the hardware as well. If you have a 7T, how's the camera quality and which OS are you running on it?
There are so many other camera issues than just "quality" that it's so much of a hassle you'll think leaving OxygenOS was the dumbest thing you did.
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There are so many other camera issues than just "quality" that it's so much of a hassle you'll think leaving OxygenOS was the dumbest thing you did.
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What are those other issues?
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There are so many other camera issues than just "quality" that it's so much of a hassle you'll think leaving OxygenOS was the dumbest thing you did.
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Yeah not really...
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What are those other issues?
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I tried installing AOSiP on my OnePlus 7T a week ago. Everything seemed fine till I opened my camera I couldn't find a way to switch between the three camera modes. Also, the camera quality was pretty horrific compared to the stock camera. Part of this is due to OnePlus having custom camera blobs in OxygenOS. I've heard Google Cam improves the quality significantly, but it's been a nightmare for me to set it up. It would randomly crash too. So take a backup of your data, flash your custom rom, run it for a few days and judge for yourself. Have a great day.
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I tried installing AOSiP on my OnePlus 7T a week ago. Everything seemed fine till I opened my camera I couldn't find a way to switch between the three camera modes. Also, the camera quality was pretty horrific compared to the stock camera. Part of this is due to OnePlus having custom camera blobs in OxygenOS. I've heard Google Cam improves the quality significantly, but it's been a nightmare for me to set it up. It would randomly crash too. So take a backup of your data, flash your custom rom, run it for a few days and judge for yourself. Have a great day.
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You have to use the aux module to use the other lenses.
I do agree that camera can be difficult to setup/ find the right balance. Although, there was a new gcam update released with improvements specifically for OnePlus devices. Worth trying out.
Have someone working GCam for our Moto?Wanna try-very dissapointed with the speed of focusing a photoshoot ...
thx in advance
I'm using Nikita GCam ver 7.4 and everything works. The image quality is better than stock but not so much. The main advantage is better low light photos and night mode. My old Pixel3a is making better photos, but overall the quality is not bad.
Link: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-Nikita/
Any reason not to use the latest version?
I installed it and it seems to function as advertised but I haven't had a chance to test it thoroughly.
Also any config files for our particular model?
Thanks!
Newer versions have changes that mostly cannot be implemented on our phone due to hardware and software differences.
I just made few changes, mostly ditched macro camera, and increased a bit exposure compensation. The file is attached.