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Save Note 7 from exploding, untill replace

Save Note7 from potential exploding!
1. "Inportant" Disable fast charging under battery settings ( there is toggle to turn off)
2. Use OEM wall charger with OEM cable
3. Before charging phone close all active aplications and clear cashe
4. Before charging turn off wifi, bluetoth,nfc etc..
5.DO NOT CHARGE phone ubder pillow or in bad
Hope this tips help you guys and me

Perhaps we should also all be taking acupuncture and subscribing to new age homeopathy therapies? :silly:
If the battery wants to 'go bang' it will, no options will change that fact.

i'll just take my chances ?
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I think switching off fast charging would make a difference. Ad for the rest? Not sure.

radioraheem2 said:
I think switching off fast charging would make a difference. Ad for the rest? Not sure.
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It doesn't, otherwise we would have been advised to turn it off by Samsung before the handset is replaced. Or a software update disabling the feature would have been pushed.

alltaken123 said:
It doesn't, otherwise we would have been advised to turn it off by Samsung before the handset is replaced. Or a software update disabling the feature would have been pushed.
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Samsung didn't say a word what to do untill replace, but if you read about fast charging, there says " your device will charge quickly but may become hot"

It's got nothing to do with fast charging, it's a fault in the battery that will heat up and catch fire if you're fast charging or not....
http://www.samsung.com/uk/news/local/uk-statement-regarding-galaxy-note7
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Ardianow1 said:
Samsung didn't say a word what to do untill replace, but if you read about fast charging, there says " your device will charge quickly but may become hot"
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See the post above mine

bottom line dont do anything that cause the phone to get too hot for long period of time.

Kansatsusha said:
bottom line dont do anything that cause the phone to get too hot for long period of time.
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I think a lot of people are concluding that heat is the issue and will create the battery problem. I can't see any evidence that heat causes the battery fault to occur.

Well exploding battery will cause heat.... sooo XD... There probably many other component that cause it but anyone willing to force the note7"C4" to explode?

its a battery fault - the battery cells which are affecting the units are drawing too much power from the mains which in turn heats the battery past limit. i've had mine for about 4 days in the UK and three have told me "no recall or safety instructions have been given by company"
and samsung support have said "none of the problems has occured in the UK so you are fine to use and if it gets hot close all apps and place phone in cool place away from direct sunlight"
but samsung did say they were replacing phones. left details and call back will be in 7days
was on hold for 1 hour waiting for them to answer. might be quicker popping into a samsung store and asking about it.
but if people in UK need a piece of mind and wants to ring samsung the phone number to use is 0330 726 1000 *****THIS IS FOR UK RESIDENTS ONLY*****

remix754 said:
its a battery fault - the battery cells which are affecting the units are drawing too much power from the mains which in turn heats the battery past limit. i've had mine for about 4 days in the UK and three have told me "no recall or safety instructions have been given by company"
and samsung support have said "none of the problems has occured in the UK so you are fine to use and if it gets hot close all apps and place phone in cool place away from direct sunlight"
but samsung did say they were replacing phones. left details and call back will be in 7days
was on hold for 1 hour waiting for them to answer. might be quicker popping into a samsung store and asking about it.
but if people in UK need a piece of mind and wants to ring samsung the phone number to use is 0330 726 1000 *****THIS IS FOR UK RESIDENTS ONLY*****
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I got a phone call from O2 earlier offering me to return the phone for a full refund or a partial refund with a different handset.
the option they didn't advise was to hold onto the phone and they will replace them when they get the new stock, they said this has been the most popular option with the majority of people opting for it, but they also said should the phone show any signs of the problem (getting hot when charging or swelling) I can take the phone in at any time for a refund.
chances are 3 just doesn't have all the info yet, but the recall is every phone, Samsung is probably still communicating with suppliers so it is likely a case of the firms are still learning then they will have to work out how to pass on the information to those affected.

I would have to say it's fast charging...or generic adapters. Because I used the original cable with a generic adapter and after charging for some time, the phone was extremely hot. As in ive never felt any phone become that hot. This was maybe in the first few days I got the phone. I saw fast charging was on so I turned that off.
I stopped using that particular adapter as well (which works for all our other Samsung and apple phones and pads) ... And it never became hot again.
I use another non branded adapter with a non Samsung cable in the office to charge and it doesn't get hot there. Doesn't get hot with my non branded car charger as well.
So my guess is it's the fast charging option. Or just that particular adapter. But so far... Fast charging off... With different adapters and cables.. And it's working fine.. And cool

the problem is 100% in the battery, nothing else in the phone is at fault.
basically when they make a battery it is done with layers of material and a catalyst (acid or similar) inside the battery is compartmented, if 2 of these compartments manage to interact with each other due to a fault in the separator you get a runaway reaction, at best you get a bit swelling or a hot battery, worst case it goes critical and fails (goes pop)
if you have a phone with a faulty battery you can play it safe and turn off options such as fast charging, but the fact is if the battery is one of the few faulty batteries in the wild you are only delaying the inevitable.
the only way to protect the phone is to monitor it carefully while it is charging as if the battery is faulty no amount of changing settings will solve the problem as if that was the case they would have released emergency firmwares by now to minimise risk.
but even then when the phone gets warm it isn't always the battery, my battery normally sits around 30-35C (even while charging) but my phone sometimes feels warm but the problem is the CPU running some times at 50-60C making the phone feel warm and not the actual battery.

Note 7 - To keep or not to keep?

I was wondering aside from exploding battery what are the other disadvantages of not returning the Note 7? I love the phone so much that I am willing to take the risk. I currently have the "fixed" batch. Do you think they will still honor my unit for warranty after the recall part 2? Will there be minor or major software updates?

they are accepting ANY note 7 whether original or 'repaired' to be returned for a full refund or exchange for s7 or s7edge. according to samsung us website they will also replace device specific accessories.
I don't think it's worth risking it.
Do you really want to wake up to a room on fire, or worse, not wake up at all?
People might say this is scaremongering, but when Samsung are taking them all back AND stopping production, who is anyone to say that this a non issue.. I certainly wouldn't keep it if I had one.
To expand a little - I own a GS6 Edge Plus.
It does normally get a little warm when charging, but not that hot, definitely not too hot to touch.
The other day it had sod all battery, maybe around 10%, and I accidentally tapped yes to do a software update. And left it plugged in on the quick charger, on my mattress. Was doing other stuff, didn't think much of it.
Half hour later after it had updated and was 'optimizing android apps', i picked it up, and the metal frame was easily 50-60C. I hate to think how hot the phones internals were, but holding the phone for longer than 2.5-3 seconds did start to hurt.
I unplugged it immediately and held in front of my fan to cool it down, as it was still 'optimizing apps'.. had it been left plugged in, and not only that but possibly in a warmer room, or under a piece of clothing or similar, what would have happened?!
Frankly it's scary knowing that if I had selected the option 'install overnight' and left it plugged in (with some bad timings as to the charge that it was on when starting charging and also starting the update at this higher current flow from quick charge) , that it could well have got even hotter, and been a worser situation.
As far as I've always believed, the phones are engineered in such a way so that charging speeds are forced to decrease when there is too much heat etc, but this proves that even Samsung with their normally incredibly robust testing processes, can be caught out, and end users can be presented with risks they wouldn't dream of ever occurring from a product made by such a huge and reputable manufacturer.
I do get that the problem is different in the Note 7, and Samsung aren't even completely sure why it's happening yet, but I can't actually believe people are thinking about keeping it. For god sake it's a phone. I love gadgets and I am the first to be p**sed and ranting when this stuff happens to me, but damn, it's not worth your life!!

I don't think the device will Have hardware or software support.
I understand wanting to keep, I want to keep it too by far the best phone.
At the end of the day it is just a phone and not worth the hassle or the risk and there will be even better phones in the near future.

Simple think it starts burning when you are sleeping and it starts a fire or when you have it on your face making a call or when you have it on your pocket when you are driving on the highway!

No software updates
Resell value will be poor
Chance of it exploding
Keep it at your own risk, or just wait until a replacement device is released.

I'd keep it as a collector's item. Since Samsung is recalling all of them. It will increase the value of the device in the future.

EDIT: Hmm, I see they even explode when off.
No way to keep it as collectors item then!
Imagine your house burning down because of this...
They don't explode when off, so if kepping it as a collectors item - with the battery drained to zero and powered off - means nothing bad should happen...

DarkGuyver said:
I'd keep it as a collector's item. Since Samsung is recalling all of them. It will increase the value of the device in the future.
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after the reports of some apparently burning even when off, you'd have to be a pretty serious collector..

They very well can catch fire when off.

talk is now that charging rates are problem.... software updates would fix

Before the recall, if your device caught fire, everyone's focus was on Samsung and how they put out a defective phone. If you keep it and it catches fire, everyone will wonder why the hell you kept a $700+ phone when you knew the risks. If you're looking for your 15 minutes of fame, you'll have it. That and third degree burns.
I know that people are saying that it is only 8 phones out of all that they sold and that is a small amount. That's true, but that's 8 phones over a short period of time, and it would have kept happening. Samsung's actions were smart because what would have happened if the phone had killed someone or had burned someone's house down with their entire family in it?
You'll be keeping a phone that will have no support from the manufacturer and no support from any of the carriers. You'll be keeping a phone that you cannot take on an airplane. You'll be keeping a phone that might be blocked by your carrier. You'll be keeping a phone that will never receive another update, except maybe to disable it.
I understand the desire to keep the device, I really do. It was the only phone that I was seriously considering purchasing when my contract came up for renewal. Now that it's not an option, I'm going to ride it out with my Note 4, because there is no other phone on the horizon that looks to be worth having.

I was all set to do the Note 7 (currently have the Note 4) when my trade-in period kicked in. Haven't done it soon enough, and now can't do it because my carrier won't sell them anymore due to the recall. I was disappointed, and still am, hearing everyone say how great a phone it is. I originally was thinking, "maybe the wireless charging feature is at fault" but apparently there's more to it than that, if the phone is catching fire/exploding whilst off. So, hoping that Samsung will figure out the problems, and a "Note 8" will be forthcoming that corrects all the issues - but I'm not expecting anyone to jump into the next Note with both feet right away (including me).
To those wanting to keep the Note 7, I would say that due to the official recall, I wouldn't expect ANY ongoing support from Samsung, nor any software updates from Samsung or your carrier. My gut feeling is that since Samsung wants ALL the phones back, they won't support any that are still in the field after the recall notice. It's going to be like a dead phone.

I would have kept my Note 7. But I'm afraid they will bring out new updates sabotaging slowly the phone. Like Oculus removing support, or the Update limiting the battery to 60%.
Even though I used Package Blocker to avoid that Update, or I know I can use other App to compensate the absence of Oculus support, there's a truth you can escape:
If you decide to keep your Note 7, you will have to fight for it every day. Avoiding Updates, having to root your phone, not being able to use it in a plane, seeing apps removing support and having to find new ones...
And that's not even Half of it!
Remember... Your phone may explode at any time. This brings constant fear and mandatory extra precautions as "not being able to charge your phone without supervision" or "having to turn off your phone when sleeping", or even or "note being able to entrust your phone to people around you in fear of hurting them".
So it's a no brainer guys. As much as you love your phone, and are happy with it. You will return it.

nomailx said:
I would have kept my Note 7. But I'm afraid they will bring out new updates sabotaging slowly the phone. Like Oculus removing support, or the Update limiting the battery to 60%.
Even though I used Package Blocker to avoid that Update, or I know I can use other App to compensate the absence of Oculus support, there's a truth you can escape:
If you decide to keep your Note 7, you will have to fight for it every day. Avoiding Updates, having to root your phone, not being able to use it in a plane, seeing apps removing support and having to find new ones...
And that's not even Half of it!
Remember... Your phone may explode at any time. This brings constant fear and mandatory extra precautions as "not being able to charge your phone without supervision" or "having to turn off your phone when sleeping", or even or "note being able to entrust your phone to people around you in fear of hurting them".
So it's a no brainer guys. As much as you love your phone, and are happy with it. You will return it.
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well said.

I thought about risking it too. Samsung sold how many units? Assume 4 million globally, and i lost track of how many units exploded? Let's assume 100
100/4,000,000, or 1/40,000 is a pretty slim chance of having any issues. And having a phone nobody else has is pretty cool
but one thing came to mind. Samsung will no longer release software updates for this phone. So $900 you paid for a flagship phone has no future software updates. No custom rom will be released because nobody has it anymore. You will be stuck with an old tech pretty soon. and to be honest, the note 7 is really buggy/laggy. That is fine/acceptable if I can expect future fixes for existing issues, but not if I have to endure it for the life of this phone

I was thinking of keeping mine until they released Nougat on the S7E. Assuming it doesn't get released for the N7, that will be the only incentive big enough to lose the spen which I use all the time. Another possible option would be if they offered a 128G N5.. But I have 128G of my 256G SD already used, and with a lot of Oculus use, quite a lot of the internal 64G used too (Gear VR stuff all ends up on internal memory), so would need to do some serious declutter to drop back to 128G...
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I thought I was over this yesterday but today I put away all my cases and it bummed me out again big time. Loved this phone.
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Samsung's recall process here in my country is a pain to a point that returning the unit for recall is more hassle than keeping it + the risks. Hahaha
Now that money (refund) is involved, recall process pain will double.

Don't turn it in yet. Samsung has NOT completed their investigation yet AND they CAN NOT replicate the battery failure. There are other things that samsung wouldn't test that could attribute to issues with the phone. #1: Cheap third party USB-C Cables. These were found to be the cause of damage to MANY USB-C Devices because they weren't wired correctly. #2: Failed rooting attempts where the software could have been compromised. #3: other forms of user tampering. The fact of the matter that out of the replacement units SEVEN out of 4 million total phones sold world wide (0.000125%) exploded. Pre-replacement, 35 exploded out of that 4 million. (0.000875%).
So, both combined, the chance of your phone exploding is 0.00105%, and that fits well into the number of people who could have lost their charging cable and bought a cheap, badly wired USB-C cable (which have been known to make OTHER DEVICES malfunction, blow out and explode).
The pictures of the note 7's that have blown up show that they literally created enough heat to melt GLASS. When you hit temperatures that high you can't hold the phone, yet the ONLY VIDEO of a note 7 supposedly exploding shows a woman HOLDING IT IN HER HAND for an extended period of time WHILE IT IS SMOKING. I work with electronics and lithium ion batteries all the time. When those things explode, sparks come out of one of the ends and they get TOO HOT TO CONTINUE HOLDING.

PhoenixJedi said:
Don't turn it in yet. Samsung has NOT completed their investigation....
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well said, bloody well said mate, some good figures and logic applied is always better than unknown fear.

Will Samsung Ever Give A Technical Reason

As to why phones were "exploding". It seems the original reason they had of a battery manufacturing fault is now incorrect and it seems theres a more inherent design fault? Incredible that the biggest phone manufacturer in the world, with all their engineers couldn't figure it out.

B3501 said:
As to why phones were "exploding". It seems the original reason they had of a battery manufacturing fault is now incorrect and it seems theres a more inherent design fault? Incredible that the biggest phone manufacturer in the world, with all their engineers couldn't figure it out.
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They either haven't figured it out, or they HAVE, and it's something in the hardware (motherboard, etc) that it's too late/costly to reengineer.

Read a story that mentioned it might be the SoC, designed it to push more power to the battery then it could end up handling. Really liked this phone.
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macawmatt said:
Read a story that mentioned it might be the SoC, designed it to push more power to the battery then it could end up handling. Really liked this phone.
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If it was that wouldn't they just push a update to limit the fast charging? Or the soc I gotta assume that's all handled by software.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the battery was the smallest and crammed into a tiny space, more than any other phone. There's got to be something in that, perhaps any sort of pressure on the back was causing some sort of battery failure.

All sorts of theories today. Too thin of separators in the batteries. Curve edge of the screen causing it. Fast charging. Some new battery fault etc. I don't think Samsung found the problem.

They better. I hate them so much now... They wasted months of my life, wanting and not getting this phone. Some of you had at least a chance to test it out feel it.... All I got is 10 min. with demo unit. If they keep it to them self a lot of ppl will think they have no clue and the same problem could happen to S8. What phone to get now until S8E is out. I need excellent maniera, water resistance and of course big screen...

It sounds like they don't know yet and can't replicate the problem in their testing. But I don't know if we really know much of the whole story. There could be multiple reasons we never get a clear answer. I think the recall was forced upon them not only to limit litigation, but from the governmental agencies. It is sad that by far the best overall phone ever made to date has been killed off. There really is no other phone that combines all the great things the N7 has going for it.

htcplussony said:
All sorts of theories today. Too thin of separators in the batteries. Curve edge of the screen causing it. Fast charging. Some new battery fault etc. I don't think Samsung found the problem.
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I agree with you. Canning the entire product is such a drastic move. If they knew what the problem was, ANY fix would surely cost less to engineer in, than they huge damage to their reputation, to their competitive position in the market (no flagship product available) and the hard cash costs of product write off.
But if they just can't figure out what's causing this problem, what could they possibly do? Could they say "you know, we don't know what the problem is, but just keep using them and sorry about the occasional fires". Obviously not. How about do *another* recall and risk Version3 phones catching fire too? Clearly they can't do that either.
Then consider the following: This problem is *rare* - 1 in 100,000 units perhaps? And it didn't show up in any pre-production tests nor QA checks. Add in the fact that they thought it was the battery, and then found out that it was not.
All this leads me to believe that they haven't yet figured out with 100% certainty what the problem is.

It must be something that renders the design faulty meaning they'd have to remanufacture the device to fix it something that probably generate quite a wait time for people to exchange it. So canning it is a better option.
The two things I think are most suspect is
a) overheating either via charging or just using the SoC to the max and causing heating issues.
b) casing is designed in such a way that puts undue pressure on the battery.
Either way it's a expensive fix, sure you could firmware update it to slow the charge speed or down clock the processor but then you've got a whole other issue of false advertising. You paid for X and got Y.
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evo4g63t said:
It must be something that renders the design faulty meaning they'd have to remanufacture the device to fix it something that probably generate quite a wait time for people to exchange it. So canning it is a better option.
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Not necessarily.
As I said above, what if they can't be certain what the problem is? What should they do then? The only option in those circumstances would be the course of action they have taken.
This is imho the most likely scenario. Clearly, they didn't think there was anything wrong with it when it was launched, and after extensive r&d and product testing. They thought the product was fine.
And now they are faced with trying to identify *with certainty* what's causing 1 unit in around 100,000 to fail, when all they get back to test are charred remains. They could not risk a second failed recall, based on not being 100% sure what the problem is, so their ONLY option in those circumstances would be to withdraw the product.

One things for sure, when they eventually do find out what caused it, a whole department is getting sacked! I bet there's a lot of nervous Samsung design heads just now.

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It sounds like they don't know yet and can't replicate the problem in their testing. But I don't know if we really know much of the whole story. There could be multiple reasons we never get a clear answer. I think the recall was forced upon them not only to limit litigation, but from the governmental agencies. It is sad that by far the best overall phone ever made to date has been killed off. There really is no other phone that combines all the great things the N7 has going for it.
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Now they have 2 million phones they can test and replicate the problem. I foresee huge electric bills for them charging and discharging 2,000,000 phones.
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Not necessarily.
As I said above, what if they can't be certain what the problem is? What should they do then? The only option in those circumstances would be the course of action they have taken.
This is imho the most likely scenario. Clearly, they didn't think there was anything wrong with it when it was launched, and after extensive r&d and product testing. They thought the product was fine.
And now they are faced with trying to identify *with certainty* what's causing 1 unit in around 100,000 to fail, when all they get back to test are charred remains. They could not risk a second failed recall, based on not being 100% sure what the problem is, so their ONLY option in those circumstances would be to withdraw the product.
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Another theory is that in the first instance they jumped over a few tests to get the phone out before the iPhone 7, then in the first recall they didn't actually fix anything, just did a firmware update (how else would they have replacement devices within 1 WEEK?). The update turned out not to be enough, whatever was wrong with a certain percentage wasn't fixed by making them charge slower or less.
And now you can't really do a second recall and expect people to trust the same device. They are saving face, call it a loss, and move on.

Do any of you think that this is full of crap though? Samsung has NOT completed their investigation yet, and until they do, for all anyone knows, the devices could have failed due to mistreatment by their users. Out of FOUR MILLION phones, only 35 explode, and of the replacement units only 7? Lets say the first generation was bad, and only count the replacements. 7 out of 4 million. That is a 0.000175% chance of your phone exploding. So, they discontinued the line for less than an even 1% chance, without waiting for the investigation to be completed? COME ON. PLUS, some of the people who had exploded note 7s REFUSED to return them.

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Do any of you think that this is full of crap though? Samsung has NOT completed their investigation yet, and until they do, for all anyone knows, the devices could have failed due to mistreatment by their users. Out of FOUR MILLION phones, only 35 explode, and of the replacement units only 7? Lets say the first generation was bad, and only count the replacements. 7 out of 4 million. That is a 0.000175% chance of your phone exploding. So, they discontinued the line for less than an even 1% chance, without waiting for the investigation to be completed? COME ON. PLUS, some of the people who had exploded note 7s REFUSED to return them.
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What I want to know, of the ones that have malfunctioned, were they damaged prior? Dropped, thrown, etc. That would definetly play into the battery cells being smashed together regardless if they are on or off. I don't buy into the heat thing entirely, because I've taken mine into the sauna 3 times and it's still fine. I'm debating what to do. I love this phone. My first note. I'll be near a best buy Friday, so I'll go in and see if anything pegs my interest and goes from there. I'd be happier if I knew when they were going to release something with a stylus. Absolutely love that thing.

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What I want to know, of the ones that have malfunctioned, were they damaged prior? Dropped, thrown, etc. That would definetly play into the battery cells being smashed together regardless if they are on or off. I don't buy into the heat thing entirely, because I've taken mine into the sauna 3 times and it's still fine. I'm debating what to do. I love this phone. My first note. I'll be near a best buy Friday, so I'll go in and see if anything pegs my interest and goes from there. I'd be happier if I knew when they were going to release something with a stylus. Absolutely love that thing.
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I also say theres another possibility. There's been incidents with USB-C cables in the past.. cheap cables.. (the kind you buy in gas stations and pharmacies). They've caused the ports to get damaged and devices (of all types) to explode because wires inside are hooked up incorrectly. How do we know that this wasn't caused by someone using a faulty third party accessory?

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I also say theres another possibility. There's been incidents with USB-C cables in the past.. cheap cables.. (the kind you buy in gas stations and pharmacies). They've caused the ports to get damaged and devices (of all types) to explode because wires inside are hooked up incorrectly. How do we know that this wasn't caused by someone using a faulty third party accessory?
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My point exactly. That was the rumor the first time. I got the Samsung cables, so I'm not worried about that. Just really wonder if dropping them, damaged the case, which put pressure on the battery and short circuited it.

Here's the thing, SAMSUNG themselves cannot replicate the situation. No matter HOW they tamper with the phone. I guarantee you they're not using these bad third party cables, or trying to operate a device with partially compromised firmware from a failed root attempt, or other things they tell their end users NOT TO DO. I guarantee you they're testing the phone (other than dropping it and water tests) within the specs of what they tell users is okay to do with the phone.
Here's the other thing, the video of a 'note 7' supposedly catching fire in someones home... 1: its in black and white, 2: its a security camera in someone's living room. 3: YOU NEVER SEE THE ACTUAL PHONE ON THE CAMERA. For all we know she's holding a smoking piece of toast. Plus, consider that an overheating li-ion battery is a chemical reaction and that smoke usually means the battery has been punctured. HOW and WHY is she still holding it?

In hindsight, considering my Note 4 would overheat DRASTICALLY on the Gear VR Innovator Edition so much so that the Phone would produce a message to warn to let it cool down, Samsung Engineering should have seen this coming.
Maybe it was a Godsend, INTRUSIVE IRIS Scanner and all.
Or maybe it WAS a conspiracy, like nothing really was at fault, the powers that be saw something in the Note 7 they were not in favor of letting the public/consumer get their hands on.
We may never know. But rest assured something seems not quite right about the whole fiasco. Even a social engineering experiment.

Interesting read guys... I have my note 7 now for 6 weeks. Had the first one too before the switch. Both of them worked/work fine. No overheating. I am not sure if only exinos cpu variants are catching fire. Over here in germany there are no fires at all. It is sad that this phone is canned, and for the remaining working ones, there will never be a a software update at all. This phone is by far the best phone ever. Truly.
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Note 7 recall & media distributed information

When you look into the Note 7 recall and all of the information we have available, you have news outlets taking a biased point of view on the units. They have put words into both Samsung and the CPSC's mouth saying that the recalls are MANDATORY, that the Note 7 production has been permanently halted, and that the issue is the battery itself. In the meantime, Samsung themselves have announced that they CANNOT replicate the issue themselves, and the changing out of the battery would generally suggest that it was not the battery causing the problem. Plus, due to media coverage the issue has been severely exaggerated. According to the CPSC, only 96 units out of 1.9 million units sold in the US have been reported as overheating. In the two months since the release of the phone that is a 0.005% failure rate. That means the phone has a 99.995% chance of being perfectly fine. In terms of normal production, that would be considered a success by most companies. Samsung also has not announced anywhere on their site that production has been halted permenantly. They've said temporarily while they investigate. The investigation is NOT COMPLETE.
Now, if you take the battery out of the equation as the primary point of failure, there are three other points of possible failure that would be the most common cause to make the battery ignite. Those are software tampering, hardware tampering/error and the USB-C port/accessories.
Software: a partially flashed firmware could easily damage the charge rate systems to cause damage to the battery itself or damage the battery's protection board to the point where it can cause problems.
Hardware Tampering/Error: How many idiots have you seen on youtube sinking their Note7s to the bottom of a lake/river/pier, or drop testing them from heights that they are not rated for. Then count the # of people who replicate what other people do on youtube.. (Ghost pepper challenges anyone?)
USB-C Port/Accessories: USB-C has been under some controversy itself lately. Cheap USB cables have been sold that when used on devices damage not only the USB-C port, but also the power systems due to the cables being improperly wired. As well, the Note7 comes with USB-C accessories, one of which is a USB-A to a USB-C port adapter. This is used to use the unit AS a backup battery, or to attach flash drives to the unit and NOT to charge the unit. Many people have USB-A to USB-A cables. Imagine if someone used one of the faulty USB-C cables to charge the unit, or tried to use that adapter with a USB-A to USB-A cable to charge the unit. With only 96 cases reported of overheating, it's well within the number of people who don't understand technology enough to get the proper cables and/or use the unit up to spec. If the cable is not CERTIFIED by the USB-IF it could very well be a bad cable and have caused the issue.
What I'm saying here is look at the proof, look at the history of the devices you're attaching to the phone, look at human behavior, look at what the media's doing. We have people in this world who actually think TRUMP would make a good president. We have people in this world who snort condoms up their noses. It makes it completely possible that all 96 reported cases are 96 cases of users doing the wrong thing with their phones. It is very likely that out of 1.9 Million units sold in the US (according to CPSC), 96 of the people who bought Note 7s are simply idiots. (Plus there's a video of an idiot supposedly holding a Note 7 while the phone is catching fire. When a LI-Ion Battery overheats you can't hold it. not in your hands without receiving severe burns. Information below attached so you can see it all directly from the sources for the information on the Note 7 instead of from media locations.
Also, don't forget, some of these people with the phones who have overheated REFUSE to return them to Samsung for investigation. There is only one reason to refuse to turn in a destroyed device. If you tampered with it yourself.
Samsung Recall Info (showing its voluntary): http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/
Verizon Recall Info (showing they're still investigating as of 10/10): https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/samsung-galaxy-note7-recall-faqs/
CPSC Information: https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/S...-Additional-Incidents-with-Replacement-Phones
USB-C Cable Information: http://www.androidcentral.com/usb-c-problem-isnt-going-away-anytime-soon
More USB-C Info: http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-find-safe-usb-type-c-cables
Update: Just spoke with a supervisor at Verizon, and they are AWARE that this is a blown out of proportion recall and issue. As of the current moment, they are supporting the phone INDEFINITELY, until Samsung verifies what the problem is and completes the investigation. Then depending on the investigation result, they will decide what to do. I encourage people to call their carriers and talk to supervisors who have more information.

I ansolutely agree with you, around 100 devices in 2 million +, is better than many other quality standards around, and as you pointed out, many people handle devices in very bad ways

Well said. This is why I'm not getting rid of mine. BTW, you accidently put billion instead of million the first time.
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Maybe the whole thing is a conspiracy by another company like LG or Apple. Paying people to do this to their phones then paying the media to overhype and overexaterate the whole thing. I don't think it's a coincidence this happened to the best phone Samsung has ever made. Let me rephrase that, the best phone ever created.

Think about this, how rediculous would it be if samsung found out it was an uncertified cable causing the entire problem, and that they took a multi-billion dollar loss over the cable. This is why all of this crap should not be happening until the investigation concludes.

Updated first post with: Also, don't forget, some of these people with the phones who have overheated REFUSE to return them to Samsung for investigation. There is only one reason to refuse to turn in a destroyed device. If you tampered with it yourself.
Fixed billion replaced with million

Update with information from Verizon in first post.

NOW we're talking! Finally my kinda people! Where have you been the past couple of days? Now the dust is settling and the initial "shock" has subsided people are starting to think with clarity. Excuse the pun, but 'Think Different'
Keep it going, I LIKE this!! I was getting so lonely here getting called a conspiracy nut and such. Thank you my people!

I agree. My phone is perfect and I would keep it except I would like to receive updates and such. At&t told me it has a one year warranty. That I don't have to turn it in. I'm struggling real hard with this. I love this damn phone and nothing else compared to it. I think it's just another case of reefer madness.

My theory is that the playdoh like battery is just in a foil like cover, so it's easily squished. They have mentioned possible assembly problems with squishing it inside the phone being the cause, but I wonder if perhaps a high G drop on a floor might distort it sufficiently that, after a number of charge/discharge cycles, may develop those crystals which will fuse internally between squashed plates causing the battery run away we have all seen.
I doubt it is external to the battery as surely between battery and main phone assembly there will be short circuit protection (generally the metallic canister style batteries have this built in, but with a sealed phone and soft battery, this protection is probably the very first thing the phone battery cable plugs into).
I only dropped my N4 twice, my N7 never (ok, it hit ground inside a Gear VR when my son was being silly), but I have seen others who are far less careful with phones that may have dropped and distorted the battery putty enough to be more prone to internally fusing.
Although at least 2 photos show the phone in (melted) protector cases which should reduce the shock loading, perhaps these ones had the extra squished assembly with the SDI batteries which already had less internal tolerances than the Chinese one?
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Another funny development that was brought up in another thread... The only video of the unit catching fire is a surveillance video from above... where you cannot actually see what device is spewing the smoke. The only reason its believed to be a note 7 is because someone SAID it is.

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finally!! some clarity i have 2 note 7 ... one from the first production and other of the second!... and everything fine ... i never trust samsung chargers..... so i instead use blackberry folding type chargers ... and never experience overheating anything ...

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finally!! some clarity i have 2 note 7 ... one from the first production and other of the second!... and everything fine ... i never trust samsung chargers..... so i instead use blackberry folding type chargers ... and never experience overheating anything ...
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The problem is obviously not the charger. I've charged it many times from below 10% all the way to 100 on the samsung unit, and it has never caused a problem. My best guess is that it wont fail because I am using a certified cable.

Perhaps samsung should go the apple route and put a chip in their chargers so only certified chargers work.
With the invention of fast charging technology it is pretty risky to use cheapies.
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Unbelievable, OnePlus, what a shady tactic...

So Ive just discovered that with the most recent update to my 8 Pro, OnePlus has completely disabled "warp"/"dash" charging on 3rd party charging cables. How do I know? Ive been using one since I got the phone, and have a brand new backup 3rd party cable as well to confirm my findings.
The reason I have a 3rd party cable is the distance from my night stand to my nearest outlet. The standard cable just isn't long enough. So when I got the phone I did some research and found that the cables I purchased were one of the few aftermarket cables available that actually supported dash charging. And they worked just fine. I could charge from 20 to 80 percent in about 25-30 mins, and the lightning symbol appeared, using these aftermarket cables. Now all of a sudden, after about 6 months with the phone, I cannot.
I thought the first cable may have gotten a short, so I went and grabbed my brand new backup, still in the original packaging, and plugged it in. Nope, only a sloe trickle charge. Then I started thinking "Oh no, did my power brick break??? So I went to the closet and snagged the original OnePlus Cable that came with the phone. Wala, warp charge reactivates.
It just seems absolutely rediculous to me that now I have to somehow try to find a genuine OnePlus cable that is at least 10 feet long and it will cost me a rediculous amount of money. Way to play the Apple game, OnePlus. Im pretty sure this will be the last OnePlus I ever purchase, if this is the behavior I am to expect from this company. Is is absolutely NOT OK to use tactics like this to advance sales if you ask me. Plus the price of OnePlus devices is less of a "Flagship Killer" and more of just a regular flagship anymore. As someone who started out with the OnePlus 2 and has watched this company grow, I would say that disappointed is the understatement of the year as to how I feel about the company these days. The fact that they locked out dash charge with a software lock is the final straw for me. Goodbye OnePlus ?.

I think there's actual reasoning why the cable is quite short, I'd have thought it a power issue, also substantially thicker.
Also their charger will be rated and tested to work with the phone, would you approve of someone using a third party component in your product? Of course not.
if you use a 3rd party charger/ cable and it develops a fault? First thing you're going to do is go back to OnePlus, chances are most end users would withhold the fact that they used a 3rd party charger / cable at all.
Not only that but what kind of a business would allow their party piece to be used with a cheaper and untested alternative?
I don't completely agree with it but I totally understand it.
From an ethical point of view and practical.
Are you charging your phone overnight? You stated night stand? If you are then you're going to cause a problem with your phone sooner rather than later anyway, couple that with a third party charger and your multiplying the possibility of failure and or unwanted issues.
Tbh by limiting the power your phone's taking they may actually be inadvertently prolonging the life of your battery..
Up to you if you carry on buying OnePlus, I think for the price (which is higher) you will have a very very hard time to find something similar, I'd put the 8 pro up against any phone in nearly any department, to stop using them because they're protecting their product? Lol come on, swallow that 3rd party pride.
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I think it's not the cable
There is a bug in Android 11 all versions, beta and not
But it does not impact all users
I was in contact with the support and delivered some log details etc and they confirm me it's a bug and they will fix it with a software update
Basically it's Only charging with max 18 Watt then
As it does not impact all phones (no clue why) most of the people are still fine

That's odd, I'm currently using a 3rd Party 6ft cable and I can warp charge on Android 11. I currently use this one.

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I think there's actual reasoning why the cable is quite short, I'd have thought it a power issue, also substantially thicker.
Also their charger will be rated and tested to work with the phone, would you approve of someone using a third party component in your product? Of course not.
if you use a 3rd party charger/ cable and it develops a fault? First thing you're going to do is go back to OnePlus, chances are most end users would withhold the fact that they used a 3rd party charger / cable at all.
Not only that but what kind of a business would allow their party piece to be used with a cheaper and untested alternative?
I don't completely agree with it but I totally understand it.
From an ethical point of view and practical.
Are you charging your phone overnight? You stated night stand? If you are then you're going to cause a problem with your phone sooner rather than later anyway, couple that with a third party charger and your multiplying the possibility of failure and or unwanted issues.
Tbh by limiting the power your phone's taking they may actually be inadvertently prolonging the life of your battery..
Up to you if you carry on buying OnePlus, I think for the price (which is higher) you will have a very very hard time to find something similar, I'd put the 8 pro up against any phone in nearly any department, to stop using them because they're protecting their product? Lol come on, swallow that 3rd party pride.
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I think it's not the cable
There is a bug in Android 11 all versions, beta and not
But it does not impact all users
I was in contact with the support and delivered some log details etc and they confirm me it's a bug and they will fix it with a software update
Basically it's Only charging with max 18 Watt then
As it does not impact all phones (no clue why) most of the people are still fine
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So it turns out that they have disabled charging completely on 3rd party. I just came back to the phone after 4 hours on the 3rd party cable and the power level hadn't moved. Started at 24%, ended at 24%. So the 3rd party cable now only allows enough power to keep the phone in its current state, awesome.
And no, it makes no sense whatsoever that OnePlus would do this. This cable isn't under rated at all on power, in fact its an exact copy of the official OnePlus cable, red cable with white tips and all. All they did was reverse-engineer an original cable, and lengthen it. Its that simple. You can even tell looking into the plug ends that its an exact duplicate.
Theres nothing wrong with using this cable, its never even gotten warm when warp charging, it handles the power just as well as the original, same thickness and all. And the best part? The 2 pack of 12ft cables was just $14.99. Now thats a reasonable price for cables.
I even tried on my OnePlus Warp Car charger. Yep, 3rd party cable disables the warp charge there as well. The only way to charge with the 3rd party is to turn the phone off completely, in which case its a very slow trickle charge, taking literally 3 hours to charge up.
Welp, thats all the tests done. Guess Im just gonna go get my self an extension cord. Seems theres no other option now, the longest cord OnePlus sells is 150cm, or 6ft. Thats not good enough. Looks like Im resorting to getting the brick up and onto my night stand. To think I just warped charged on these 12ft cables literally 2 days ago Wed, Nov 11 was the last time it worked. Now even the brand new, never used cable didn't work.
Anyways, you guys are entitled to your own opinions but I really think this is a super shady move by OnePlus and I could never approve of it. Apples locked down ecosystem is exactly why Ive always hated Apple products and I could never own one, phone or otherwise. I like being able to modify my device and so Android is the obvious choice. And since the Android OS is Open Source, I think l should be able to use any cable rated for 30+ watts.
Its simple logic, and I am pretty sick of watching OnePlus SkyRocket in price anyways. There are better options these days and in a few years, when it is time, I can certainly say that I will be looking at other brands first.

12 foot cables? How far away is your bed side cabinet?
How long are your arms? Are you Dhalsim?
Jokes aside, I think 12 foot for 30watts is maybe pushing it a little. Do you happen to have a shorter cable? 6 foot maybe? Can't help but think that the length has something to do with it.
As a previous user just said, they noticed a bug and this will be fixed with an update, possible that they're looking into it.
Not sure buddy, time will tell or it won't.
It does sound like you just want to vent a bit.
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That's odd, I'm currently using a 3rd Party 6ft cable and I can warp charge on Android 11. I currently use this one.
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Length I think may be the decisive factor.
Longest cable I've ever seen officially provided with a device is the Kindle which I think may be 12 foot, but the wattage, amperage and voltage required is extremely low hence why it's ok to use.

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12 foot cables? How far away is your bed side cabinet?
How long are your arms? Are you Dhalsim?
Jokes aside, I think 12 foot for 30watts is maybe pushing it a little. Do you happen to have a shorter cable? 6 foot maybe? Can't help but think that the length has something to do with it.
As a previous user just said, they noticed a bug and this will be fixed with an update, possible that they're looking into it.
Not sure buddy, time will tell or it won't.
It does sound like you just want to vent a bit.
Length I think may be the decisive factor.
Longest cable I've ever seen officially provided with a device is the Kindle which I think may be 12 foot, but the wattage, amperage and voltage required is extremely low hence why it's ok to use.
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Honestly, its not about venting, Ive never seen this happen on any other android device nor have I ever even heard of it happening. Remember, length has nothing to do with it considering the FACT that I had warp charge using these 12 foot cables for 6 months up until literally Wednesday this week. I purchased the cables as soon as I purchased the phone, knowing my night stand is roughly 10 feet from the nearest outlet. Its just sad to see OnePlus use such a tactic when they were once the leading "Flagship Killer" manufacturer whos founding ideas literally opposed a situation in which you were forced to purchase from within a locked ecosystem and spend more money. They have literally become Apple, and its disgusting and goes against my morals as someone who believes that large companies already bleed us way too much. It literally goes against everything OnePlus as a company is even supposed to stand for. "Never Settle"? Yeah, right, that saying means NOTHING these days, and that's a cold, hard FACT.

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Honestly, its not about venting, Ive never seen this happen on any other android device nor have I ever even heard of it happening. Remember, length has nothing to do with it considering the FACT that I had warp charge using these 12 foot cables for 6 months up until literally Wednesday this week. I purchased the cables as soon as I purchased the phone, knowing my night stand is roughly 10 feet from the nearest outlet. Its just sad to see OnePlus use such a tactic when they were once the leading "Flagship Killer" manufacturer whos founding ideas literally opposed a situation in which you were forced to purchase from within a locked ecosystem and spend more money. They have literally become Apple, and its disgusting and goes against my morals as someone who believes that large companies already bleed us way too much. It literally goes against everything OnePlus as a company is even supposed to stand for. "Never Settle"? Yeah, right, that saying means NOTHING these days, and that's a cold, hard FACT.
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Do you think that it may have to do with the fact that warp is new too, it wasn't on any other device prior to the 8 pro?
I dunno, if it's solely down to money then I agree with you, but can see why they did it (business practice)
But if be interested to see if there's a science behind it and it's there's a safety aspect involved, if thats the case then they could have done you a favour.
It'd be good to get some concise clarity.
Wouldn't go as far to call OnePlus apple mate, Huawei and Samsung sure but definitely not OnePlus.
The don't really mind you unlocking your bootloader, Samsung has an efuse chip that breaks when you modify the device with Odin (Dev software)
Huawei have completely blocked bootloader unlocking.
OnePlus until recently actually had twrp on their website?
If you unlock your bootloader you can still send it back for warranty, that's pretty opposite to Apple.
Safety (if this is why they reduced power to 3rd party cables) is mandatory to any company, saying "screw it so what if they catch fire, our customer saved some money" isn't in line with any company.
I think you're jumping the gun there.
Let's see what transpires first, seeing as another user is using a third party 6 foot cable there is no evidence that they have done that.
Your 12 foot cables may not meet their standards, after all did OnePlus release a 12 foot cable?

Not from what I can tell.
Tbh mate they have no moral obligation to support 12 foot cables.
Not bashing you btw, just giving you an objective opinion.
I can see your point but without clarity we can't see why that decision was made, coupled with the fact that they don't support that length I can't see how we can without a clear and concise response from OnePlus.
My money is on the length and potential risk.

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Not from what I can tell.
Tbh mate they have no moral obligation to support 12 foot cables.
Not bashing you btw, just giving you an objective opinion.
I can see your point but without clarity we can't see why that decision was made, coupled with the fact that they don't support that length I can't see how we can without a clear and concise response from OnePlus.
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Well you do have a decent point here, OnePlus is definitely not as bad as a couple others, YET. However, I strongly doubt it was disabled for safety reasons. As I said, the cables have worked for the past 6 months on warp charge and theyve NEVER gotten even warm, always cool to the touch. Heat is always the first indication that something is being fed too much power, believe me. I build PCs and hobby-grade RC cars. I know the limits of current and wattage. 30 watts is nothing. Im used to pushing 2000 watts through short lengths of 10AWG wire. Even my LiPo charger dishes out 200W of charge power per channel and thats not even a super high amount these days, there are chargers capable of 1000 watts out there.
RC cars are a sure-fire way to push electronics to their very limit. Little machines that can out-run real full sized cars is nothing to sneeze at. But anyways, the parts that ever got warm durching warp charge were always the phone (slightly unless being used simultaneously), and the power brick (not bad but warmer than the phone on standby receiving warp charge). Both of these are completely expected and normal behaviors and have been for years now.

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Well you do have a decent point here, OnePlus is definitely not as bad as a couple others, YET. However, I strongly doubt it was disabled for safety reasons. As I said, the cables have worked for the past 6 months on warp charge and theyve NEVER gotten even warm, always cool to the touch. Heat is always the first indication that something is being fed too much power, believe me. I build PCs and hobby-grade RC cars. I know the limits of current and wattage. 30 watts is nothing. Im used to pushing 2000 watts through short lengths of 10AWG wire. Even my LiPo charger dishes out 200W of charge power per channel and thats not even a super high amount these days, there are chargers capable of 1000 watts out there.
RC cars are a sure-fire way to push electronics to their very limit. Little machines that can out-run real full sized cars is nothing to sneeze at. But anyways, the parts that ever got warm durching warp charge were always the phone (slightly unless being used simultaneously), and the power brick (not bad but warmer than the phone on standby receiving warp charge). Both of these are completely expected and normal behaviors and have been for years now.
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Aye I've been building PC's for decades myself, bit of a tinkerer, guess a lot of people are on XDA.
I've got a friend who does the RC racing cars, they're crazy fast, all Carbon parts, costs a small fortune too, interesting hobby, got my eye on the racing drones myself.
With the cable, bottom line from me is I don't know, I wish I understood the science more. Just seems long lol, plus it's a trick missed on their part for not releasing it themselves, I can't help but think maybe there's a reason for it? If not then pfft I have no idea, if they release a new 12 foot cable soon then we have our answer.

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Aye I've been building PC's for decades myself, bit of a tinkerer, guess a lot of people are on XDA.
I've got a friend who does the RC racing cars, they're crazy fast, all Carbon parts, costs a small fortune too, interesting hobby, got my eye on the racing drones myself.
With the cable, bottom line from me is I don't know, I wish I understood the science more. Just seems long lol, plus it's a trick missed on their part for not releasing it themselves, I can't help but think maybe there's a reason for it? If not then pfft I have no idea, if they release a new 12 foot cable soon then we have our answer.
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Ya, OnePlus releasing a 10 or 12-foot cable would just make me face palm like nobody's business ? lol.
Ya RC is fun as hell, probably the most fun an adult could ever have with a hobby. The community is amazing too, I race and bash with dozens of enthusiasts regularly just in my local area alone, we do everything from Monster Trucks to Rock Crawlers to Drift Cars to pro Racing Buggies. Just be sure to do your research. The Lithium batts aren't the same as the ones in our phones. They are incredibly power-dense and literally explode like a thermite grenade if mistreated. Luckily drone batteries are nowhere near the size of car and truck batts. My 6S LiPo is 6500mAH and 6S2P (Series-Parallel) configuration so thats 12 cells total. Its an incredibly violent and huge battery measuring 139(L)x48(W)x67mm(H) and weighs 900 grams. Its capable of burning right through 1in thick hardened alloy steel of class 12.9. Its a bad day if you set one of these guys off.
Its capable of 120 Amps of continuous current at 25 Volts (3000 watts) and bursts under 3 seconds of up to 200 Amps at 25 Volts (5000 watts). Its borderline ludacris technology. And these aren't even close to the most powerful LiPos available. Just be sure to understand that thanks to marketing, LiPo "C" discharge ratings are massively over rated and are false. Mine says 75C, which is BS, so they claim 487A continuous current when theres simply no way in hell. Tests have been done over the years to prove that C ratings are useless, so keep that in mind.
One Truck I own is the 1/8 Scale Arrma Kraton EXB. Ive put more than $1500 USD into it thus far, easily capable of 100+ MPH with appropriate gearing, capable of standing backflips, and can handle drops from 20 feet like it was just another drive home from work. Its an incredible machine, and I think you would like it. My 6S 6500mAH LiPo is responsible for powering it. Take a looksy at this review of the Kraton EXB from the second largest RC YouTuber:
https://youtu.be/DlVSj-zUlTY

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Ya, OnePlus releasing a 10 or 12-foot cable would just make me face palm like nobody's business ? lol.
Ya RC is fun as hell, probably the most fun an adult could ever have with a hobby. The community is amazing too, I race and bash with dozens of enthusiasts regularly just in my local area alone, we do everything from Monster Trucks to Rock Crawlers to Drift Cars to pro Racing Buggies. Just be sure to do your research. The Lithium batts aren't the same as the ones in our phones. They are incredibly power-dense and literally explode like a thermite grenade if mistreated. Luckily drone batteries are nowhere near the size of car and truck batts. My 6S LiPo is 6500mAH and 6S2P (Series-Parallel) configuration so thats 12 cells total. Its an incredibly violent and huge battery measuring 139(L)x48(W)x67mm(H) and weighs 900 grams. Its capable of burning right through 1in thick hardened alloy steel of class 12.9. Its a bad day if you set one of these guys off.
Its capable of 120 Amps of continuous current at 25 Volts (3000 watts) and bursts under 3 seconds of up to 200 Amps at 25 Volts (5000 watts). Its borderline ludacris technology. And these aren't even close to the most powerful LiPos available. Just be sure to understand that thanks to marketing, LiPo "C" discharge ratings are massively over rated and are false. Mine says 75C, which is BS, so they claim 487A continuous current when theres simply no way in hell. Tests have been done over the years to prove that C ratings are useless, so keep that in mind.
One Truck I own is the 1/8 Scale Arrma Kraton EXB. Ive put more than $1500 USD into it thus far, easily capable of 100+ MPH with appropriate gearing, capable of standing backflips, and can handle drops from 20 feet like it was just another drive home from work. Its an incredible machine, and I think you would like it. My 6S 6500mAH LiPo is responsible for powering it. Take a looksy at this review of the Kraton EXB from the second largest RC YouTuber:
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Haha that's mad. Brings out the inner child in every bloke in the world, you should try clay pigeon, most addictive hobby there is, I was hooked the second I tried it, I didn't miss a single shot on my first day out.
[email protected] I've seen actual cars sell for less.
I'll check out the vid, cheers
Also even if we've not solved the 12 foot OnePlus back step problem, you sound more upbeat and that's a start.
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Haha that's mad. Brings out the inner child in every bloke in the world, you should try clay pigeon, most addictive hobby there is, I was hooked the second I tried it, I didn't miss a single shot on my first day out.
[email protected] I've seen actual cars sell for less.
I'll check out the vid, cheers
Also even if we've not solved the 12 foot OnePlus back step problem, you sound more upbeat and that's a start.
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Don't get me wrong OnePlus is definitely still not impressing me right now. I considered alternatives before even buying the 8 Pro considering the price but ended up going for the innovative LPDDR5 RAM + worlds first high current wireless charging, but now this is pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. Guess we will cross that road when we come to it.
But RC discussions never fail to put a smile on my face, they truly are rediculous machines. You won't regret it. ?

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Don't get me wrong OnePlus is definitely still not impressing me right now. I considered alternatives before even buying the 8 Pro considering the price but ended up going for the innovative LPDDR5 RAM + worlds first high current wireless charging, but now this is pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. Guess we will cross that road when we come to it.
But RC discussions never fail to put a smile on my face, they truly are rediculous machines. You won't regret it. ?
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Might do, have other commitments first and if I start I know I'll be hooked.
Personally I think OnePlus is going to be the one to beat for many years to come.. I'm still hoping htc makes a comeback
Sony - boring, stupid DRM, poor battery, awful development.
LG- Mental, impractical, very poor battery, no idea on development, complicated device, impossible to implement on ROMs
Samsung - efuse chip, exynos chips on EU devices, awful all round, super expensive
Pixel - expensive, awful battery, not top tier hardware
What does that leave? The Chinese ones?
Yea I'll stick with OnePlus

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Might do, have other commitments first and if I start I know I'll be hooked.
Personally I think OnePlus is going to be the one to beat for many years to come.. I'm still hoping htc makes a comeback
Sony - boring, stupid DRM, poor battery, awful development.
LG- Mental, impractical, very poor battery, no idea on development, complicated device, impossible to implement on ROMs
Samsung - efuse chip, exynos chips on EU devices, awful all round, super expensive
Pixel - expensive, awful battery, not top tier hardware
What does that leave? The Chinese ones?
Yea I'll stick with OnePlus
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There was a sony I saw a while back that actually looked really interesting. I forget what its called but it had a perfect 21:9 aspect ratio and looked kinda strange at first but as I watched reviews it became more and more appealing. But yea, the battery - not so great lol.

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There was a sony I saw a while back that actually looked really interesting. I forget what its called but it had a perfect 21:9 aspect ratio and looked kinda strange at first but as I watched reviews it became more and more appealing. But yea, the battery - not so great lol.
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Think I know the one, quite old though was £900 at the time. Didn't sell very well
There is something i like about Sony phones but so much to dislike

I also lost warp on my el-cheapo 6ft cable. Then again, that thing is so thin I doubt I even want it to run warp lol.
There's only one real competitor I see for the OP8 / Pro. The ROG Phone 3 / Strix. Similar price, amazing hardware and cooling, great battery, I don't really see a downside to it lol.

lol
how dare oneplus force me to use their cable, which came included with the phone, for warp charging, a feature that's exclusive to oneplus chargers....:crying: they're just like apple!
lol if you cry any harder i might think you're stormviper

I have an 8 foot red cable (don't recall if I got it from 1+) but I can fast charge. I originally had one of those interchangeable USB and tips but all it would do was maintain the current charge. Those interchangeable tips are very convenient when you have a house full of type c, micro USB, and Apple products. I don't know why they would invoke such a procedure as preventing use of alternate charging devices, but it is one of the things I have come to dislike about OnePlus. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable buying another one of their phones, even though in other ways they are superior. I do not like Samsung at all and I'm disappointed that the Pixel phones aren't keeping up.