Notifications and N doze overly agressive will not alert device - Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

On Android N I have noticed the following behavior with notifications on the new N doze, and wanted to share my findings in case others experience issues with the lack of notifications that were not present on 6.0.1 and I had not make zero adjustments for notifications as well or optimization as its called for each app.
At 1:07 AM i received at text and email alert from my bank for a deposit ( I was asleep when this happened ). I woke up at 5:15 AM to find no notification light blinking what so ever for text or email. Picked up the phone and low and behold a G-mail message and a text ( Textra ) was sitting in the notification bar. I set the phone back down and did not and have not touched it as writing.
At 6:11 AM I received an email to my G-mail account, I went and looked at (did not touch) my phone and no notification light, nor did I hear it alert; this is only about an hour or less after setting it down.
I used my G-mail account to send a text message to my device and heard the alert and the notification light was blinking(did not touch).
So far I notice that G-mail will not alert( sound or LED ) after about an hour ( could be less ). I just sent another email to my G-mail @ 6:29 am and no audible alert.
Text messages appear to alert both audibly and visually after this time period, but after some time the visual indicator goes out as noted initially above. ( i was not able to test sending a text to the phone after the 5+ hour period when was not touched to see if it would alert; that currently remains untested.
Just called the phone at 6:41 am and it alerted properly, AND after I hung up the other phone heard heard the generic notification sound, and noticed the notification light is blinking a different color very slowly ( blue is for text messages; white for everything else ).
I picked up the phone and seen all my messages properly displayed in status bar and one additional one about 50 minutes ago , which would have put it in at less than an hour for Instagram sitting in the notification bar.
It appears that this is either a bug or the doze is overly aggressive, or both.
It might be important for people to get notifications, and to completely silence them could cause some people to not receive critical alerts.
I will most likely go back to 6.0.1 shortly as I simply do not like to be NOT notified in less than an hour of inactivity of use on my device.

carm01 said:
On Android N I have noticed the following behavior with notifications on the new N doze, and wanted to share my findings in case others experience issues with the lack of notifications that were not present on 6.0.1 and I had not make zero adjustments for notifications as well or optimization as its called for each app.
At 1:07 AM i received at text and email alert from my bank for a deposit ( I was asleep when this happened ). I woke up at 5:15 AM to find no notification light blinking what so ever for text or email. Picked up the phone and low and behold a G-mail message and a text ( Textra ) was sitting in the notification bar. I set the phone back down and did not and have not touched it as writing.
At 6:11 AM I received an email to my G-mail account, I went and looked at (did not touch) my phone and no notification light, nor did I hear it alert; this is only about an hour or less after setting it down.
I used my G-mail account to send a text message to my device and heard the alert and the notification light was blinking(did not touch).
So far I notice that G-mail will not alert( sound or LED ) after about an hour ( could be less ). I just sent another email to my G-mail @ 6:29 am and no audible alert.
Text messages appear to alert both audibly and visually after this time period, but after some time the visual indicator goes out as noted initially above. ( i was not able to test sending a text to the phone after the 5+ hour period when was not touched to see if it would alert; that currently remains untested.
Just called the phone at 6:41 am and it alerted properly, AND after I hung up the other phone heard heard the generic notification sound, and noticed the notification light is blinking a different color very slowly ( blue is for text messages; white for everything else ).
I picked up the phone and seen all my messages properly displayed in status bar and one additional one about 50 minutes ago , which would have put it in at less than an hour for Instagram sitting in the notification bar.
It appears that this is either a bug or the doze is overly aggressive, or both.
It might be important for people to get notifications, and to completely silence them could cause some people to not receive critical alerts.
I will most likely go back to 6.0.1 shortly as I simply do not like to be NOT notified in less than an hour of inactivity of use on my device.
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if you go at battery settings and press the dots on the top right and choose battery optimization then you will be able to choose what apps doze muat not touch
and its probably a bug as i never had such issue. also gmail wont notify unless for main mails. promo, junk etc wont notify you

Giorgos Chatziioannou said:
if you go at battery settings and press the dots on the top right and choose battery optimization then you will be able to choose what apps doze muat not touch
and its probably a bug as i never had such issue. also gmail wont notify unless for main mails. promo, junk etc wont notify you
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I am aware of this feature.
I do not really want to go in and do this for every single application when I never had to in the past, that is just silly. I had zero issues with notifications on 6.0.1 as I have stated.
Besides I am sure some alerts are handled by the OS, so then what? DE-optimize all the apps ? NOT! G-mail worked just fine in the past , I never mentioned junk mail in the OP.

I have noticed that notifications take a long time after I did the upgrade. Now I get facebook notifications 20 mins or more late and I picked up my phone this morning and got lots of them.
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I wiped the cache in recovery and it seems ok now but will have to leave the phone for a while to see if it continues.

fredaroony said:
I have noticed that notifications take a long time after I did the upgrade. Now I get facebook notifications 20 mins or more late and I picked up my phone this morning and got lots of them.
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I wiped the cache in recovery and it seems ok now but will have to leave the phone for a while to see if it continues.
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I think they borked up the doze feature to no notify users after you set the phone down on battery. Its a pretty big deal for your notifications to go silent just like that.
Poor testing Google

Doze seems to suppress emergency alerts as well.
It alerted on my second device, but never on on 5x with N
Looks like I will be ultimately returning to 6.0.1 until Google can get a clue about alerts

carm01 said:
Doze seems to suppress emergency alerts as well.
It alerted on my second device, but never on on 5x with N
Looks like I will be ultimately returning to 6.0.1 until Google can get a clue about alerts
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Settings > Sounds > Other sounds > Emergency tone
Set to something other than silent which is the default.

PiousInquisitor said:
Settings > Sounds > Other sounds > Emergency tone
Set to something other than silent which is the default.
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Emergency tone is for an emergency call is placed. it was disable on the device that received the emergency cell broadcast, so that is not it.

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Any way to do continuous alerts?

Is there any way I can set my TP2 to continuously play its alert/vib/screen light up every 5 minutes or so until I clear the notification off of there?
The way it is now I don't actually know that I have a new message or missed a call beyond the one time it alerts me unless I manually turn the screen on and check it myself. All my older phones were able to keep alerting you every few minutes or so until you finally hear/see it and clear the alert.
I have never seen this on stock windows mobile. It has always been alert once, vibrate once on my wm phones.
However, you could set it to flash the indicator indefinitely for missed calls and messages.
I have used Best reminder to get this function. It is not free or I would post it but it is well worth the little they charge for it.
Awesome suggestion! Thanks alot mate
or you can install this ..
and setup your notifcations to alert you.
These days I use PhoneAlarm however on a previous phone i used MSentinel which is free.
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/msentinel.shtml
try this
I use gProfile which alows you to set the tone, the interval and how many times it sounds up to indefinite. Freeware. Would post the link but I'm in the middle of Kolkata.

Not impressed

I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
I'll answer some of your points because a few are valid.
Could you elaborate on calling from emails? You mean the phone picking up that you have a number stored for a contact and allowing you to dial them? I've tried this and it works. You need to be using the HTC mail client, not the Gmail one.
"no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call."
I couldn't reproduce this use case at all. Your screen locks while you're in a call? A SHORT call too? Or are you just positing a use case you THINK could happen? The screen goes blank when you raise it to your ear and turns back on when you take it away...what you describe can't happen.
If you've got double syncing then there's a configuration error. Elaborate. How did you set it up? Are you syncing with your work email or a webmail account?
The home screen "apps" are not apps, they're widgets, and function like every other widget I've ever seen, they just give info and limited functions. You wanted to send email FROM a widget?!
"sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left"
Mostly because text limits have all but disappeared. Does your provider still cap you? You should get a new provider.
Your device is still new...you need a few charging cycles to get the battery at full potential.
The other issues are pretty spot on...the keyboard I'm used to now though. Trust the predictive text.
Maxwell Smart said:
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
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1. I have never seen that feature before. Would definitely be handy.
2. That annoys me too, but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it.
3. Use a replacement SMS app. Handcent is my favorite.
4. Blame Facebook for that. They won't allow it, even in their official app which is stupid.
5. Strange, I have the impression that the headphone volume is quite loud.
6. You might have an application running in the background which is draining the battery and keeping the phone awake. See related threads in this forum for more info.
keyboard - Like all keyboards, it takes time to get used to. Trust the autocomplete feature and you'll be surprised. Best soft keyboard I've ever used.
Yes, you can call directly from email. Just tap the sender and their contact card will open which includes the option to call them.
No hardware call buttons - It's an inconvenience but you knew they weren't there before you bought it.
Exchange sync issue - Maybe something with your settings? I have it synced with Google's Exchange server with no problems.
Widgets - Yes, I share your opinion on many of the widgets. You might as well just launch the main application. They are pretty to look at though...
SMS - Perhaps download a 3rd party SMS application?
Facebook - no comment. I don't use it.
Headphone volume - I read here that some carriers limit the max volume on their devices. Perhaps they did that to yours? My device's max volume is pretty deafening.
Battery life - If you read reviews, you'll know that battery life is not impressive. But do give it several charge cycles and sync your data as conservatively as possible. You might find the battery life to be acceptable.
ephumuris said:
Take it back then. And my sms shows how many letter i have left.
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OUCH! Headshot! Be gentle it;s a new device ...
... Ok moving on ...
Actually don't worry been beaten ...
Like I said, the keyboard issue is just that you will need time to get used to it.
If you have a contact saved with a number and email and they send you mail, you will see their picture in the corner...tap it. You will get a speech bubble type box pop up that has the option to phone them, send them a message (text or email) or go to their contact card. Make sure you've merged your contacts. It won't work if you have a separate contact card for their phone details and then another for their email.
Again...is SMS length an issue still for people? I've not thought about those arbitrary 140 character limits since my first Motorola Wings flip phone.
Compared to my HD2 the Desire's keyboard is a DREAM to use - HD2 was skitty as hell and all over the shop. Desire's never misses a key and can type a LOT quicker on it personally...
Never bothered to know number of characters left in an SMS, doesn't bother me
Battery life, with all sync options on default, is about 48hrs give or take an hour...
Double sync IS annoying but I don't sync with Google anymore so got rid of that...
Facebook app, don't care about messaging as my phone is to keep up-to-date, PC is to contact...
Not bothered about hardware key for end call, call ends when you press the BIG red button at the end of a call (don't need to unlock or anything first)
Headphones - don't use them as phone isn't a music player to me, it's a phone
1. Get used to it, you will be fine. I moved from HTC Kaiser with hardware keyboard and I found the HTC Desire virtual keyboard is very good and responsive.
2. No idea, but as several posts above, you actually can do it.
3. You should know this already before purchase.
4. No idea
5. Widget is nice, this is unique to Android. You dont have to use it if you dont like. Then put app shortcut in the home screen, typical winmo thingy.
6. Use other messaging client like Hancent
7. Blame Facebook Or use Nimbuzz / Fring!
8. Check your settings, my battery life is amazing, on moderate usage it could last more than 48 hours (this include several hours (2-3) a day browsing on WiFi and gaming).
Maxwell Smart said:
I've just upgraded to a Desire coming from a Touch HD (Dutty Holy Grail) and have to say that first impressions are not great. Seriously thinking about returning it but interested to hear other people's experience.
So far moaning about the following problems - well more inconveniences:
- keyboard too jumpy
- can't call contact directly from email
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
- sms messaging doesn't tell you how many letters you have left
- no messaging in facebook
- headphone volume quiet (and that's with in ear headphones where on my HD I had the volume set to 1!)
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
Will persevere another few days to make sure that I'm not just a grumpy old fart who hates change....
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RE: battery life
I charged mine to 100% last night, took it off charge at 1am, woke up at 8:20 am, checked my phone....98% !!
i use Juice Defender (one of my settings is to disable Apn/Wifi from midnight till 8am, works well
Thanks for the comments. Proves I'm a grumpy old fart! lol
Some good replies which I will investigate further.
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
Syncing is being done with a Microsoft Exchange Server 2003. But I think I may have just solved issue as it appears to sync both with my laptop and the server without realising they are showing the same appointments. Just too used to MS ActiveSync which works it out.
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
Anyhow will persevere. Appreciate everyone indulging a grumpy old codger...
great tip thanks - will look for that app.
Maxwell Smart said:
Aitese - your comment about the screen going black and then turning back on when you remove it from your ear... is there a light sensor setting? as mine stays black until i tap power button unless i am talking to an actual person (rather than machine) and they hang up first.
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If you hold the phone under a bright light you'll see the sensors in the top left corner of the black bezel. To test it, make a call and then move your thumb over the top left corner and then away again...the screen should turn off when your thumb gets near and turn back on shortly after you move away. Call your voicemail box or customer service
For sms use handcent its brill and it gives you letter count.For facebook i use babbler as it gives you notification for inbox.
Maxwell Smart said:
The keyboard is still bugging me - have tried to train it using the calibrate option but still seems off. That is the top row of keys that I push match up but when i go to the second last row it always hits the last row which being space and punctuation tends to terminate the word.
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BetterKeyboard plus the accompanying DarkGray theme is by far the best Android keyboard out there. HTC_IME (i.e. the HTC keyboard you're hating on) seems to be well thought of in the community but I personally hate it and think BetterKeyboard wipes the floor with it.
A few thoughts
- I just want to add a few thing giving that I also came from an HD. Compared to the HD which only had a light sensor, the Desire also comes with a proximity sensor that monitors if you have your ear close to the phone regardless of light (on the HD the screen only turned off if it was day and it could actually sense a difference in light).
If you make a call and put your phone to your ear it turns the screen off WITHOUT locking it, and when you want to terminate a call by taking it from your ear it will turn on again but not locked.
The phone locks itself only it you don't activate the proximity sensor (like when you are using a bluetooth headset and you don't take to phone to your ear). When that happenes the screen turns off after 15 seconds and yes, if you turn it on then it will be locked.
- Why do you want a hardware button for call and end? The capacitive screen with the combination of the proximity sensor makes them useless?
-Another thing i can chip in is related to the sms thing. The default SMS app shows you the number of characters left and the number of messages already typed when you are nearing the end of a message.
It shows that above the send button. If you have less the 10 characters available in that message it'll show 10/1 above the send button, and it will decrease and then turn into 145/2 saying that you have 145 characters left untill reaching 2 messages. After that it'll stay on and counting without dissapearing, until you send the message.
I find this to be a goog feature because it only warns me if i exceed one SMS.
I have used it for 2 days, and I am out of space installing apps on the HTC desire. WTF.. it can't use the 16 gig memory card to install apps and games?
There is no way I'm going to Win MO again.. but seriously.. WTF.
Maxwell Smart said:
- can't call contact directly from email
no issue here
- no hardware button to end call - pain when leave a voice message as need to turn phone on, unlock it and then end call.
as soon as you remove handset from ear it unlocks itself and turns on monitor. whats the prob here?
- double syncs everything (on exchange server) so that appointment entries appear twice in calendar
nope, no prob here
- the home screen apps are kind of useless as you basically need to launch the full app to be able to do anything (ie email or sms)
disable them if you dont like them. i find them handy
- battery life atrocious in comparison. charged my phone last night and had a full charge before going to bed and when I woke up it was at 30%. no wifi or bluetooth on.
read forum - thats you device not the desire in general
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see comments above.
none of these probs appear to be desire probs but rather strange layer 8 probs
Yeah the keyboard issue is due to the resistive v capacitive screens. The resistive screens need a good push, the capacitive ones need a slight touch. You get used to it.
for facebook, a new version is downloadable which give access to your INBOX.. which is what i assume was meant?

[Q] Repeating E-Mail-Notification for the same mail until it is read...?!

Hi there,
just did a quick search in these forums an didn't find a similar problem or an answer, so here's my problem / question:
On my Desire (official FroYo, not rooted or anything like that) i've set up my e-mail account (not googlemail) in the stock e-mail-app.
It's the german e-mail-provider web.de, and as i'm a paying customer there i get full IMAP access. (but just to mention it, the problem still occurs when using POP3, but i'm using IMAP on my phone anyway ).
I've set up the phone to check for mails every 5 minutes, and in this case everything works just fine.
Usually it works this way:
I receive a new e-mail, it plays the notification sound and LED is blinking. fine so far.
I open the mail, notifications disappear. Just like it's meant to be.
Now the other case, where i'm not capable of instantly opening the newly received mail:
I receive a new e-mail, it plays the notification sound and LED is blinking. fine so far.
Now i don't open the mail / react to the notification, after five minutes, when the phone checks for new mails like set up in the options, it plays the notification sound again. And five minutes later, again. And again. And so on...
Just to mention: This happens if i don't receive any more new emails, just the one.
So, my phone thinks it has received a new email, even if it has already checked for exactly that mail and as a consequence, tries to notify me. Which gets really annoying, if e.g. i'm sleeping at night and it starts making noise every five minutes.
Just an example, i know i could turn it silent but there are situations where this isn't possible...
When i'm using the Desire as a GPS-Navigation device while driving in my car, it gets really annoying. Pulling down the notification bar, clicking on the notification, opening and closing the email just to mark it as read, so that it won't play the notification any more is quiet tricky while driving...
So, is there any fix to this, without disabling the general sound-notification for new emails? I'd just like to hear (or not hear, if i'm not near the device) the Sound ONCE. And only again, if i receive any NEW emails, but not every five minutes for the same one until i open it...
yes i get the repeat email alert if i don't look at it.
would like an option to disable or set a time like every hour?
also i have this prob with getting text message for every email but i can see the email in the text too!!

[Q] Notification Methods For Different Apps

I use my personal phone for work emails but also for texting and such, so it behooves me to keep it loud so I can hear when are emails coming in but I regularly talk to my girlfriend throughout the day also via Hangouts and the constant dings every few minutes gets rather annoying. Is there anyway to make it so that my phone only vibrates in Hangouts (lets say only between the hours of 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM) but all other notifications are normal? Or perhaps vice versa (everything set to vibrate except for phone calls and exchange emails)?
I'm rooted and running C-ROM (AOSP) so anything goes!
Have you look into blocking mode? you can set time when it is in effect, you can choose allowed contacts etc. Also in accesssibility mode you could turn off all sounds and have camera flash blink instead. In contacts you can choose your own sounds for each person's call, message alert and vibration pattern, you could even record your own sound.
I guessed you missed the part where I'm running an AOSP ROM lol thanks for the suggestion though.
This is more for when I have my phone in my pocket, otherwise I have active display set up.

LED Notification really lame

Any config setting or app to make LED stay on when a message or voice mail is received in Hangouts??? really need a fix or I need to maybe switch to hangouts as text message default app but don't want to mix personal and business just because of a lame LED notification..
I use Google Voice a lot so I have Hangout and Hangouts dialer and Google Voice app. I use it for potential business... So since I started using the LG G4
I have not seen much action in hangouts. I checked and had 2 text messages unread. In my previous phone Note 2, if I did not hear the message sound the LED light would stay on. That way I was able to know I got a message even when I missed the sound or vibration.
Now on the LG 4G the LED light up very lightly and flashed about every 15 seconds.... I'm not going to stare at my phone for 15 second to see if I have a message or not. LOL..
pvaldeben said:
Any config setting or app to make LED stay on when a message or voice mail is received in Hangouts??? really need a fix or I need to maybe switch to hangouts as text message default app but don't want to mix personal and business just because of a lame LED notification..
I use Google Voice a lot so I have Hangout and Hangouts dialer and Google Voice app. I use it for potential business... So since I started using the LG G4
I have not seen much action in hangouts. I checked and had 2 text messages unread. In my previous phone Note 2, if I did not hear the message sound the LED light would stay on. That way I was able to know I got a message even when I missed the sound or vibration.
Now on the LG 4G the LED light up very lightly and flashed about every 15 seconds.... I'm not going to stare at my phone for 15 second to see if I have a message or not. LOL..
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I've been using "Light Manager" without any issues. You can pick the color and flash rate for individual apps. Just make sure you leave the LED options in the phone setting menu to on.
I use Lightflow. There were issues with rapid blinking instead of solid colors but setting a long interval manually has taken care of that so far.
Weird.. My hangouts cause my LEDs to flash..
I'm not using any special apps either..
pvaldeben said:
Any config setting or app to make LED stay on when a message or voice mail is received in Hangouts??? really need a fix or I need to maybe switch to hangouts as text message default app but don't want to mix personal and business just because of a lame LED notification..
I use Google Voice a lot so I have Hangout and Hangouts dialer and Google Voice app. I use it for potential business... So since I started using the LG G4
I have not seen much action in hangouts. I checked and had 2 text messages unread. In my previous phone Note 2, if I did not hear the message sound the LED light would stay on. That way I was able to know I got a message even when I missed the sound or vibration.
Now on the LG 4G the LED light up very lightly and flashed about every 15 seconds.... I'm not going to stare at my phone for 15 second to see if I have a message or not. LOL..
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I'm using Light Flow and I don't have any issue. You can even set up per contact LED there are many features you can use in light flow and you can customize any way you want.

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