What is the best charging habit for the oneplus 3?, I mean, whet to charge it (percentage left?) And to what percentage?
5% - 20% i guess
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Try to keep the battery level between 25-75% (30 min charge time). Some people also recommend discharging and then fully recharging the battery once a month or so (I personally do not do this).
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Soumitra.5693 said:
Try to keep the battery level between 25-75% (30 min charge time). Some people also recommend discharging and then fully recharging the battery once a month or so (I personally do not do this).
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Yeah I've read lithium batteries prefer to be in that range.
Here's a good summary table. OP3 and most modern phones use a lithium ion battery
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Fully discharging/recharging (more commonly known as a full cycle) myth come from the nickel-cadium battery. Since then we have the NiMH battery and now we have the lithium battery.
Ni-Cd battery have the memory effect, when recharging repeatedly not fully discharged cell resulted in a loss of capacity.
Ni-MH minimize this effect and li-ion virtualy don't have memory effect. I mean by that, fully discharging the battery and recharging it totally won't restore the lost capacity, in the case of Ni-Cd it restore the capacity, that's why so many people recommend to do it not knowing it's useless and in the case of li-ion, is not good as it prefer incomplete cycle to full cycle.
Quick charging is bad too, yes dash charging is so usefull when you need to charge it quickly but if you care about your battery life, don't use it every night.
Anyway whatever how you treat your phone battery, in 2-3 years the battery will lose most of his capacity
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Hi!
I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
Something, that I launch, I put my phone on the desk, have a tea meanwhile, and it's drained! Something, that turns on wifi, do some downloading, browsing, video playing, or whatever, and does it automatically without supervision. Does such app exists?
I'll second this, it'd be nice to have an app do this for me and maybe even give us some interesting stats from it?
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why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
Adevem said:
why would you want an application to destroy your battery?
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Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
Soniboy84 said:
Apparently if you do a full discharge the battery life will be longer.
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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not really, you should avoid deep discharges...
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+1 If you had been reading around...you would know Lithium Ion batteries are designed to 'maximize' their efficiency within about two weeks of 'top up' charging. Cycle-charging is generally considered a less efficient method of charging. You will need to 'TopUp charge' this means charging as much and as often as possible. If your battery is at 89% for instance and you find yourself near a socket, plug your adapter in and charge it up to 100%. After a few days of doing this you will notice an improvement in the life of your battery when you are not able to charge.
Actually,,,
It is not matter of running your battery down to 0%.
It is ok to run it down till phone does to power on itself.
As you know battery is a single cell Li-Ion @ 3.7v
when it is fully charged it's peak voltage is 4.2v
By the time battery mah is drained down (galaxy s has 1500mah)
battery voltage should be around 3.2~3.4v range. this will depend on condition of the battery.
Battery should never go below 3.2v personally, 3.4v is my cut off.
If your battery voltage goes below 3.2v... it's time for a new battery as this kind of voltage will damage your battery, either it will leak or puff (battery will actually get bloated.
Phone has a voltage cut off so it will not over charge over 4.2v but if it does, it will likely start to smoke and catch fire.
I am sure anyone who is into electric Radio control knows all about these batteries.
Oh btw,,, long time storage voltage should be 3.8v
You'll be asking how do I know what voltage my battery is... I personallly don't know of any apps but GPS Status actually shows the temperature & voltage of your battery.
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I'm looking for an application, that quickly kills my battery if it's low, so I can do a full charge to improve battery life.
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First, take into consideration the comments above regarding deep discharge of your battery...but, to answer your question, there's an app in the market place called 'Battery Refresh' which attempts to drain your battery quicker.
Well if it's all true above than its a good sign, and thanks for the info! I'm not an expert but in the old times I remember batteries had to discharged completely, maybe even if it's just a few times. Now somebody can also tell me why my battery is discharging when it's plugged in the socket with original charger? All I do is using the internet, and has. nimbuzz and a live wallpaper on. :S
You could probably enable the GPS/BT/WIFI ( connected to a router ) and run the interactive mode on Neocore benchmark.. that should enable most of the hardware components on the phone and stress the GPU/CPU.. probably would see a 25% battery drain for every 35-40mins.
I don't know what has changed with the batteries but as far as I know...
it is good to discharge new batteries 3~4 times down until phone does not power on.
Like I have said... it's about the voltage of the battery, not whether battery has any juice left in it or not.
These batteries have a protective circuitry so that it will not charge over 4.2v,
also as for discharge it is usually down to 3v but usually with a charger/discharger units that can control mah/volts/amps. With typical usage from the phone, it'll likely be discharged down to about 3.2`3.4v. Which is very safe.
You can do whatever you feel but I personally do this to every batteries I have for phone and every batteries I use with my radio controled cars.
For my RC cars, I have about 6 batteries ranging from 1cell to 3cell LiPo packs.
Each cell is 3.7volts.
But you don't have to force discharge and hurry the process.
Just use the phone normally and let it run down to nothing... than recharge to full peak.
Than again, choice is yours.
I'm looking for the same kind of applications. It's very useful for recalibrating your battery. Wipe the battery history then do a full cycle.
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The old saying in RC Helicopters was that the difference between discharging 50% and 100% was the difference between getting 500 uses and 5 uses.
You should certainly avoid ever fully dischaging any lithium based battery.
Older nickel batteries (Ni-cd, Ni-MH) required full dischage cycles to get rid of memory the the metals pertained, lithium-ion and lithium-ion-polymer not only do not require this; but doing so will damage them.
And yes, the older ipods came with Nimh cells and they did reccomended full discharge cycles.
Im pretty sure the idea was to try not to let the voltage get below 3.5v/cell and never below 3.3. Dead flat is 3 or 2.85 which is when the battery simply cant produce any real current. The phone should have circuitry though to not let the voltage get above 4.25 or below ~3.5.. If the low battery warning comes on, set the brightness to dim, and stop any activities (unless its a phone call, its not THAT important but if youre playing games or watching a movie...) until yo can get to a charger.
By the way this being my first post (i meant to ages ago) Ill just mention that my galaxy S came with recovery mode and download mode Enabled, i got it just last month, Virgin network, Australia.
draining the battery fully was for the older battery types, new age batteries are not recommended to be drained fully
Thanks!
One more question:
I'm using my phone as a desktop replacement, because I don't have Internet at the moment. I'm using xda, dolphin browser and listening music. It's plugged into the mains and it's not charging. It says 49%, and stuck there. Is it possible I'm using too much battery?
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Ok, this will be my last reply.
Fully draining or not is not the issue.
In RC, most modern electronic speed controllers have a built-in battery cut-off which will cut off power once it reaches certain voltage. Because OVER-draining battery without cut off can damage/kill/ or make it unable to hold voltage.
Also, once the battery voltage reach certain point (still within safe range) you will notice the motor being powered slow down. This would also be a recommended time to stop.
Cellular phones have built in safe cut off aswell. As I have said I have measured my battery after being full drained, voltage was around 3.55v or so. Which is very normal considering voltage of the battery is 3.7v only with peak charged voltage of 4.2.
Now, Someone mentioned that fully draining your battery repeatedly will dramatically reduce battery life.
Reducing life of the battery has more to do with the amount of AMP used to charge the battery. Faster charging is usually reduce battery life dramatically.
And without hobby grade chargers, you won't be able to control this charge rate.
Slow charge is better but charging at 1C rating is the normal. But charging at 1C means regardless of batteries mah rating, battery can be charged in about 60 minutes. As we all know, our phone batteries doesn't charge from zero to full in 60minutes, right? just like most of the portable devices it takes nearly 3~4hours to fully recharge. Last 20% usually takes longer because Amp provided to charge slowly lowers. That is why.
For example, if Galaxy S battery is 1500mah, than 1C charge rate is @ 1.5amp.
If battery is 3000Mah, 1C is 3.0Amps and so on.
So like I have said over and over before, drain your battery away if you have to by choice or not. Just use it up, I will bet you your battery will last longer than you keep your phone.
U should avoid draining ur battery to 0% (witch is not possible with ur phone. When it shows 0% the charge of the battery is at 10-15%). Li-ion batteries dont have a memory effect, so it would be usless discharching it completely anyhow. Best for sgs battery is charging it before it goes under 50% that will improve the lifetime of ur battery (not how long it lasts before u have to charge but how long it lasts before u have to go and buy a new one)
How do i know? Simply cause i had to learn that a few weeks ago for the job im learning.
@xxgg: yes ur right, it wont really damage the battery if u runn it till thr phone shows its empty. But using an app to drain battery as quick as possible will, since the app forces the battery to give out more Ampere than its built to give out
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I'm a new and I don't know if let Arc from x% to 0% batterry (Ex : you are watching movies and listen to music then go to over sleep) and Arc auto turn off --> Arc will be damage ?.
With your experience, would you let me know about this
Thanks !
well from looking at one angle it might cause u serious problem..but if u have an external charger then u can charge and use your phone
dont let lithium batteries to drain till single digits..keep them charging whenever u get a chance
Maybe if you have a custom ROM, my arc s has turned off by itself from low battery and i just recharged until it was strong enough to boot into the homescreen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Prolonging battery pack life
Avoid deep discharge and instead charge more often between uses, the smaller the depth of discharge, the longer the battery will last.
Avoid storing the battery in full discharged state. As the battery will self-discharge over time, its voltage will gradually lower, and when it is depleted below the low-voltage threshold (2.4 to 2.9 V/cell, depending on chemistry) it cannot be charged anymore because the protection circuit (a type of electronic fuse) disables it.
Lithium-ion batteries should be kept cool; they may be stored in a refrigerator.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is strongly temperature-dependent; they degrade much faster if stored or used at higher temperatures.
The rate of degradation of Lithium-ion batteries is also related to battery charge level; they degrade much faster when at 100% charge, than at lower charges. Since batteries die if deep discharged (depleted) and since a battery has some self-discharge it is frequently recommended to store batteries at 40% charge level.
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I hope that tells you the answer.
if you leave it @ 0% for any extended period you run the risk of it never taking charge again. i have done this to countless (not phone) batteries by accident and i can tell you that it is 100% true.
Pvy.
I didn't know that tnx for sharing.This XDA is a good thing,we find some usefull stuffs here,tnx guys.
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so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?
d3FytH3m1Nd said:
so basically, it is dangerous to leave it at both 0% and 100%?
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Yes and no lol. Basically using your battery is the best thing you can do.
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I better starting to treat my battery better then, haha..
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If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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SL_Don said:
If you let it die it may give you a hard time getting it charged again. It needs a certain amount of power to boot the phone to a state where it can check the battery and start the charger. I have killed mine a couple times and had a few tense hours trying to get it charging again. So it is best not to let the battery die completely
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Thanks for your experience. But android don't have any soft auto turn off phone when battery is 10-15% ?
Besides the main battery power, there is also a reserve power when the battery is discharged. If the reserve is depleted, the battery will be completely discharged and cannot be used at all. Prolonged full discharge of the battery will shorten its working life.
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it takes around 3.5 hours to charge the one x from 0 to 100 % and it takes the galaxy s3 around 2 hours,,,knowing that the s3
has a bigger battery (2100 mah) and the one x has a (1800 mah) and they both use 1 amp charger,, why does it then take the hox much longer to charge??
yes i require htc to explain, because physics says 1800mAh/1000mA = 1.8hours which i didnt see so far. I'm assuming its a calibration problem and we are all overcharging our batteries.
That's not what physics says.
Only the first hour or so is constant current, after that it becomes constant voltage and the charge current goes down.
3 hours is.about normal charge time for a lithium ion battery, faster than that shortens its life.
Yes you are right the voltage difference greatly drops esp when battery reaches 90%, but i still feel my HOX takes much longer than all my other phones to charge.
HOX's battery is Li-ion Polymer. Other phones use Lithium Ion battery.
Fast charge is not so good and over charged is seriously problem with Li-ion Polymer. So, to protect your battery, HTC do not use fast charge method as well as they control the charging especially low-down the charging current when the battery reach 90%. If you use battery monitor widget to test, you will see that you could charge the battery overnight without any problem, the current some time being zero.
Don't worry man, it is normal and it is the best way for you phone.
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HOX's battery is Li-ion Polymer. Other phones use Lithium Ion battery.
Fast charge is not so good and over charged is seriously problem with Li-ion Polymer. So, to protect your battery, HTC do not use fast charge method as well as they control the charging especially low-down the charging current when the battery reach 90%. If you use battery monitor widget to test, you will see that you could charge the battery overnight without any problem, the current some time being zero.
Don't worry man, it is normal and it is the best way for you phone.
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Nah, Lithium Ion and Lithium Ion Polymer are about the same. I had LiPo battery in my Nokia 7110 from 1999 (BPS-1). They're hardly new.
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Nah, Lithium Ion and Lithium Ion Polymer are about the same. I had LiPo battery in my Nokia 7110 from 1999 (BPS-1). They're hardly new.
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check this pls:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667117
I am RC Player and I have some experiences with Li-Ion and Li-Po, it is quite different. I could charge the Li-Ion with normal charger (same as Ni-Cd or Ni-MH) but for the Li-po, I have to use computerize charger (or at least charger with balance unit) to control the current, time....
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check this pls:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667117
I am RC Player and I have some experiences with Li-Ion and Li-Po, it is quite different. I could charge the Li-Ion with normal charger (same as Ni-Cd or Ni-MH) but for the Li-po, I have to use computerize charger (or at least charger with balance unit) to control the current, time....
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I did contribute to thread you posted.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
"Charging Li‑ion polymer, also referred as Li-polymer, is very similar to a regular lithium-ion battery and no changes in algorithm are necessary."
I don't think you should charge Li ion battery with NiCd/NiMH charger, it'll damage them.
So there is no clear answer for this??
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So there is no clear answer for this??
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The clear answer is that Samsung have traded battery longevity against charge time. This makes sense, the battery is user replaceable.
Normal Li Ion charge times are around 3 hours without significantly reducing battery life over time. If the battery is in use, expect it to take a little longer.
I read that with the new Lithium-Ion batteries it doesn't matter how often you charge your battery. Is it true? Can I charge my battery every day even if I have 80% left without f**king my battery?
Your phone automatically stops charging ~95% specifically to avoid that.
Its actually a better practice for the battery than complete charge/discharge cycles.
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i bump charge my device almost daily, on all my devices. never a problem with my battery.
Just got the Note 2, and want to make sure that I treat it really well. I've long been uncertain on the best way to treat batteries. Am I supposed to drain it as closer to 0% and then charge it back to 100%, or is it fine to charge it whenever, even if I'm only down to 62% or something at the end of the day? Seeing as how it's brand new, is there anything I should be doing in the immediate future to properly condition the Note 2's battery? Thanks
You can fully charge the battery drops below 20%.
You can do whatever you want. New batteries technology much better than before
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I charge mine every night regardless of percentage (usually around 15% but i sometimes charge over night even at 60%). My battery is still as good as the day i got it.
No need to drain and charge.
Some people say that it reduces the number of cycles of charges the battery can have but it wont make any noticable impact for about 2 years anyway when you're likely to get a new phone anyway, otherwise the cost of a replacement battery is well worth the convenience of charging however you like lol
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with lithium ion batteries, you get more overall charges if you charge it before the battery dies.
ie. 100% drain gives you 500 charges
50% drain gives you 1300 charges.
25% drain gives you 2000 charges.
or something like that. also with lithium ion batteries, its bad to completely drain it. when a lithium ion battery is completely drained, it reduces the overall capacity of the battery. most phones have safeguards in place to prevent a complete drain, but leaving a dead battery out for too long without recharging isnt good.
plus, lithium ion batteries dont have the 'memory effect' so draining them fully is pointless. NiCd and NiMH batteries are the ones that lose voltage if not completely discharged regularly.
Dude ... the battery management technology is good in theory. . To understand. ... but in practical use. ..go ahead and charge it as you like. ..the battery will last good for 2-3 yrs... then you can replace the battery. ..note 2 has a replaceable cheap battery unlike the other new devices that are coming out with no option to replace them
Just enjoy :beer:
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You should charge the lithium battery whenever u can, charging more doesnt hurt it really but draining it to 0% is going to hurt it
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Just got the Note 2, and want to make sure that I treat it really well. I've long been uncertain on the best way to treat batteries. Am I supposed to drain it as closer to 0% and then charge it back to 100%, or is it fine to charge it whenever, even if I'm only down to 62% or something at the end of the day? Seeing as how it's brand new, is there anything I should be doing in the immediate future to properly condition the Note 2's battery? Thanks
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Since it's Li-ion battery, it's recommended to partially charge whenever you can to preserve the battery longevity and fully charge it from 0% maybe once a month.