Develop Bugs

A2SD GUI _ Not working to activate Swap

Hy,
I have the GingerVillain 2.2 ROM. I partitioned the SD with ROM Manager with 512 EXT and 64 Swap. In the A2SD I activated "Apps are on SD!", I put the Dalvik Cache on SD-EXT, but I can't activate de Swap.
When I pres the button to activate the swap, appears "Changing setings..." after that "Reading setings...", some buttons appears in background but after 1 sec disappear.
What I can do?!
Thank you!

I don't know this particular app, however, your are far better not using a swap partition altogether. Swap is for the system to use, if it runs out of ram memory, which was useful on older devices with very little ram.
But on the desire you won't have problems with the 576 mb of ram, and the much slower sd-card will just cause problems.
Also do you have any idea of what you are doing to your device, because if you don't, you might be better off keeping it stock.

mortenmhp said:
I don't know this particular app, however, your are far better not using a swap partition altogether. Swap is for the system to use, if it runs out of ram memory, which was useful on older devices with very little ram.
But on the desire you won't have problems with the 576 mb of ram, and the much slower sd-card will just cause problems.
Also do you have any idea of what you are doing to your device, because if you don't, you might be better off keeping it stock.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This depends on the class of SD card + if your kernel supports swap.. This is probably what is happening in your case, gabitzu6. I have the same situation. If you do change your kernel, then you may wish to activate swap from a terminal emulator .. more at this thread here

partitioning sd card

hey everyone
i have rooted my phone and installed cyanongen mod7, the fact is that i followed the noobprrof tutorial, and as he stated i partitioned my sd card, i left 1 gb ( its a 4gb memory now its divided to 3 and 1 ), but i didnt know where did it go and why i did partition my sd card, i thought it would add up to internal memory but it didnt...
please can anyone tell me whats the purpose of paritioning it ?? and how can i let apps get installed on this paritioned part if its purpose is so...
thanks in advance

It's for a2sd, it doesn't add up in internal memory, if you want to check if it's there download quick sytem info from the market, it's purpose is to store apps on your sd(mainly, there's always some data left.) for example when i had stock 2.2 froyo on my desire non rooted, i couldn't have more than 165-170 apps, now i have 379 and ext is also for the rom itself, like a sense rom doesn't fit totally on the system partion, so the part which doesn't fit is on your sd
Hope you understand it

thank u, i actually understood wut ur saying
for instance, i have downloaded games and stuff, now the phone says that the phonememory is on low storage, i still have like 30 mb... i tend to move apps from phone to sd card...
incase all internal memory is used will it conitinue installing on the 1gb i have paritioned... and is it just a notification that doesnt effect anything...
i also would like to ask if i can i can automatically download & install the apps from the market on the sd card...
thanks again
ps: i checked the system info and yes it is there... a2sd 0.96gb and 0.9gb free

It's not just like that
If you install an app for instance google earth, it's around 24mb, 300-400kb will stay on your phone and the rest will go to that partition automatically, although some apps like this iBeer i installed is fully on sd, it depends, but if you're low on memory just move some apps manually to your sd(this doesn't make them move to the ext but fat32 partition(the part that windows can see). If you just insert a SD and applt android's app2sd not a lot of the app will go to the sd, on the other hand the a2sd implied in rom's doesn't give you limitless place till you sd is full. If you want that apply data2sd, that adds to the internal memory as you thought
the max apps you can put on your desire with a2sd is max 400 i think, as i can't move any app manually to sd, and i have 35mb left with 379 apps
hope u understand it even better now

ok i did move the apps 2 sdcard, but they are moved to the 3gb partition and not the 1gb partition which i cant see, i only want to know what is the purpose of this 1gb that i made due to the tutorial... since i cant move apps to it or even put files on via usb ( as music and stuff )... then why is it created... ??
ps : the 1 gb is ext4 the 3gb is the fat32
i really wish there was some thread explaining all , maybe i would have let ur life easier hehe, im sory but im new on android...
thanks again

What did you use to create the 1gb partition? Did you use something like mini partition .. under windows?
I had a hell of a time trying to get it to work this way (if you did) the solution i found was to get the gparted live cd (google it) and run the partitioning wizard on that and the auto apps2sd will work.
The point of doing it is that some roms need more space than the desire has, I'm using insert coin and it needs a proparly formatted ext3 to work to fit the whole rom onto the phone.
Have you checked using quick system info to see if the a2sd storage is being recognised?

hey amriving
actually i did divide my sd card with gparted, everythings going great, but the fact that i cant use the 1000 mb ext2 partition (app2sd) is wut im asking about... (total of 4gb memory)
i mean when i move the apps to sd card they go to the 3gb fat32 space i have, and not the 1gb i partitioned...
so what i want to know is what is the purpose of this (app2sd) 1gb ext2 partition, how can i use it
i checked the system info and i found that there is 0.96gb of the app2sd partition and there is free 0.9 gb,
i have cyanogen mod7 rom
and thanks for the reply

Don't move it to sd, i think you didn't understood me, it does it automatically, just install a app, look at it's size, then delete it, you'll see that not that size went away from your memory but much less
You can't use it through windows, only if you have linux you'll be able to see inside the ext also with root explorer( go to recovery and then mounts then press mount EXT )
And they go to the 1GB partition. There will be an android.secure in your sd with apps, but if it wouldn't work, i wouldn't have 55mb android.secure with 390 apps now! and just 100mb free on 1.4GB ext, Just don't question this anymore, download 100 apps, you'll see it very well then if you don't then you obviously have a problem

thanks everyone
android.secure is on 3gb fat32 not the 1 gb ext...
i also went to recovery its on mount sd ext...
guys what i want to know is why when moving the apps to sdcard, they are going to 3gb fat32 partition instead of 1gb ext4 partition...
is nt it supposed to go to 1gb ext4 partition ?! which is the reason every android user is doing for ... ?
i have checked the ap2sd and yes it is there
android.secure file is in 3gb partition not the 1gb ext4 partition

No no you didn't understand me, look normally with 160 apps would your phone memory be full, and your android.secure(on the 3gb partition) be large, now it shouldn't be very big anymore, because for example city story is 23mb, 1mb on phone memory and 22 on ext. normally this would be 5-10 mb on phone memory and remainder on the 3gb(fat32 partition) now this is most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext

answer
F*S Even i, a noob understood it 3 times allready..
btw this answers my final question here
listen(more like read), i'll try to resimplify the answer for you, think of an android app as a windows app.
a windows app is Commonly installed in 3 - yes THREE seprate location at once!
1. Main Program Files - C:\program files\<APP NAME HERE>
this contains all the app's inner working, modules, GUI, sound, pictures and stuff - most of the app is located here so this folder is 'heavy'
2. appdata - C:\Users\<USER NAME HERE>\appdata\<Local \ Roaming>\<APP NAME HERE>
this may contain any setting, saves, projects, and temp files for the app to use.
so only some parts make it here - litewight but still takes up space..
3. Registry - run>regedit.exe
this is sort of a log file for all windows operation, installaions, apps location and sometimes even app settings
again litewight but takes place..
SAME WITH ANDROID - sort of..
an android app contains Resource Data - like program files, the 'exeutable', settings, modules, critical data for the exeutable and more..
and so when you use the traditional APPS2SD that comes Froyo+ ( settings>apps>google earth>move to SD/PHONE )
all the non-critical data and resources move to the SD fat32 patition.
all the remaining critical data, 'exeutable' and stuff remain on the internal memory which still takes up valuable internal space, that's where a2sd+ comes in, as mentioned before, a2sd+ again moves to rest of the remaining appdata to the ext, and only tiny critical part of the app remains on the internal memory - therefor you get to install many apps until you internal memory fills up or the ext fills up, this time only the absolute critical app files that cant be moved to the ext OR the fat32..
as TopGear63z said:
most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
data2sd extends your internal storage..
a2sd+ lets you install more aps
EXPERTS: Please verify my answer as i am also a noob and this is my understanding on the subject, i maybe very wrong or very right
PS: Why double post

thankyou asaf400
actually i know all this and i really appreciate ur reply
but wut i wanted is to install apps on ext, and actually i found it i downloaded simple2ext app and now i have 150mb free internal memory, see now all apps are on ext part of the memory card... this is what i wanted to know...
thanks all

or you could just flash a data2sd based custom rom like droidzone's starburst or gingerburst... you'll get upto 2gb of internal memory from the start

Not sure if A2SD+ is working properly or not.

Ok, i have just finished re-installing all my apps after flashing AceSMod007-3D, the first A2SD+ ROM i have used, and i am already running out of space. I have noticed that any "phone only" apps i download seem to be placed on the internal memory whilst anything movable seems to be placed on the EXT partition and doesn't decrease internal space at all. Is this how A2SD+ is supposed to work? Is my only option to free up more space to delete some of my phone only apps?

I've just rooted and installed AceSMod007 (v33) and im also confused by what goes to SD-Ext4 vs Internal... so far it is hitting Internal, although one app does have the SEND 2 SD option but not sure if that means to the FAT32 or Ext4 partition.
so well confused so far... im holding off customising the phone until i have a better idea.

Open titanium backup, it should show u system memory, internal memory, sd-ext memory and sd card memory..If the app2sd is working u should see that sd-ext is not empty
Leave away the SEND 2 SD option..this is the android stock move to sd, not the app2sd

Its definitely sending apps that were already movable to the EXT partition, but i was under the impression that A2SD+ meant that apps that previously weren't movable would now be able to be spread over the EXT partition as well. If all it does is send the movable apps there automatically then its basically the same as stock A2SD, just without the need to move them yourself

Paratax said:
Its definitely sending apps that were already movable to the EXT partition, but i was under the impression that A2SD+ meant that apps that previously weren't movable would now be able to be spread over the EXT partition as well. If all it does is send the movable apps there automatically then its basically the same as stock A2SD, just without the need to move them yourself
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
NO, that is the stock move to sd: mean a part of the app can be moved on the sd card fat32 partition, it doesn't allow every app to be moved, and the app is partially on the sd card
The a2sd move every app u install on the ext partition, is not in ur sdcard fat32 partition..it move completely the apk on the ext partition..so the space saved is enough (u will STILL see that the app can be moved on the sd card..but u HAVE to leave it on the internal memory to make the a2sd/a2sd+ fully work)

ok .. but why does the Internal Memory indicate decrease (by megs) if it is installing on EXT. I can see my game is on SD-EXT/APP but Internal went down by 3megs.

kazgor said:
ok .. but why does the Internal Memory indicate decrease (by megs) if it is installing on EXT. I can see my game is on SD-EXT/APP but Internal went down by 3megs.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The data saved from each app (settings, preferences) is still on the internal memory /data/data so that probably is normal if the games need to save a lot of things
Btw how much is ur free internal memory?

its now 108MB of 148MB, with only Mini Info and HyperJump Installed

Its definitely not just the data. one of the apps i install is 7.5mb and 450kb of data. it decreases the internal space by 7.95mb in total after an install, NONE of the app what so ever is going to the EXT partition, and i suspect there are several other apps doing the same thing

quick system info will show the a2sd size

kazgor said:
its now 108MB of 148MB, with only Mini Info and HyperJump Installed
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
then? even if u uninstall hyperjump and mini info, u will see that u will never have 148 mb free!
try installing all of ur apps...u will see that it does't decrease too much

Paratax said:
Its definitely not just the data. one of the apps i install is 7.5mb and 450kb of data. it decreases the internal space by 7.95mb in total after an install, NONE of the app what so ever is going to the EXT partition, and i suspect there are several other apps doing the same thing
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if u install from the market an application, it will be downloaded on ur internal memory..that the space that u see probably
restore all ur apps, and stop looking for a mb more or less..u will have lots of space available..if this is not the case then u did something wrong.

andQlimax said:
then? even if u uninstall hyperjump and mini info, u will see that u will never have 148 mb free!
try installing all of ur apps...u will see that it does't decrease too much
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes.. from a fresh install of the ROM it started with around 111mb free, so yeah you are correct never will get the 148mb back.. but then the Stock Rom DID have 148mb free so that like 37mb lost from the get go.
Its all new to me this apsd+ stuff so i'll start install Apps and see how far i get, on stock i HAD to use Froyo "Send to SD" to get everything installed.
thanks.

kazgor said:
yes.. from a fresh install of the ROM it started with around 111mb free, so yeah you are correct never will get the 148mb back.. but then the Stock Rom DID have 148mb free so that like 37mb lost from the get go.
Its all new to me this apsd+ stuff so i'll start install Apps and see how far i get, on stock i HAD to use Froyo "Send to SD" to get everything installed.
thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
could it be you have a few extra bits thrown in (app wise) with your rom that is taking up extra space?
afaik apps2sd+ you should leave everything on internal

ok this was a good read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7458565&postcount=8
it kind of implies that because there a symbolic link from NAND/Apps to sd-ext/apps, the phone thinks apps are still internal so will reduce the freespace indicated in Settings --> SD & Phone Storage

andQlimax said:
if u install from the market an application, it will be downloaded on ur internal memory..that the space that u see probably
restore all ur apps, and stop looking for a mb more or less..u will have lots of space available..if this is not the case then u did something wrong.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well obviously something is wrong, as i have installed around 30 apps and i'm already out of internal memory.

[Q] Best Practice to extend phone memory

Hi there,
I have successfully rooted and tweaked my Wildfire a few weeks ago and did some fine tuning since then (a lot to be honest).
XDA Developers has been a great help (obviously) but I got stuck at a few points.
There's especially one thing I'm a bit confused about: there seem to exist mainly four methods/ways to gain more internal memory:
re-partition the system, cache and data partitions
use Apps2SD (CM7)
use Darktremor Script
set up an ext partition on the SD card and move apps there (different methods)
Some of them could be used in combination.
I've read and experimented a lot but - as I said - I got stuck and a bit confused so I'll ask here for opinions/hints and probably a bit more clarification.
As you can see in my specs below I've already adjusted my internal partitions. Although I've gained a lot more space with that and being very selective which apps to install I don't feel lucky with my 312Mb.
My questions:
What would you choose to gain more space on the phone? Making an ext partition on SD or simply use CM7s built in Apps2SD?
I've read here about "S2E" - is this a good solution to work with an ext partition?
Any suggestions/hints/experiences?
Phone: HTC Wildfire S-Off By AlphaRevX
Android: 2.3.7
OverClocked: 264MHz-710MHz SmartAssV2
VM Heap Size: 32m
ROM: CM7 Nightly (7.2.0-RC0-buzz-KANG)
Radio: 13.55.55.24H_3.35.20.10
Recovery: ClockworkMod 5.0.2.0
Kernel: 2.6.35.14-nFinity [email protected] #1
Internal Memory: 320Mb Custom MTD Partition
-=V6 SuperCharger=-

Well to me it seems you already have your answer.
I personally use custom mtd settings of 145 10 and use absolutely no sd partition or a2sd what so ever. I've got quite a few apps but my internal memory has well over 200mb remaining.
In my opinion partitioning or moving apps etc just makes your system work a little harder but when using just the internal memory even with custom sizes seems to work best for me.
"sent from me2u"

I perosnaly am just using DarkTremor A2SD and I have about 100MB of free space with over 150 apps installed (140 in the app drawer, as the attachment shows, 4x5 and 7 dots up top)

slymobi said:
Well to me it seems you already have your answer.
...
In my opinion partitioning or moving apps etc just makes your system work a little harder
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As you might have guessed that's not the answer I wanted to hear lol (but why I'm not surprised...?)
Well, in more detail I have quite a few apps I don't use very often - but I want to have on my phone for some reason. At the moment my free space is around 40-60 MB and I have the feeling that performance slightly went down a bit over the past weeks... (might be subjective though)
But anyway: that kind of honest opinion is exactly what I'm after, so thnx for your answer
[OT: regarding the nightly thread I'm not yet allowed to post in: yes, those 2 latest versions have scrolling cache disabled and I've had the feeling that it's a good thing...]
Swyped via XDA app from my HTC wildfire (buzz)

eventcom said:
As you might have guessed that's not the answer I wanted to hear lol (but why I'm not surprised...?)
Well, in more detail I have quite a few apps I don't use very often - but I want to have on my phone for some reason. At the moment my free space is around 40-60 MB and I have the feeling that performance slightly went down a bit over the past weeks... (might be subjective though)
But anyway: that kind of honest opinion is exactly what I'm after, so thnx for your answer
[OT: regarding the nightly thread I'm not yet allowed to post in: yes, those 2 latest versions have scrolling cache disabled and I've had the feeling that it's a good thing...]
Swyped via XDA app from my HTC wildfire (buzz)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,you can use any of the methods you've stated in conjunction with the mtd ,the reason I don't use any apps to SD mods is due to 2 things.1.I have enough space left internally so not needed. 2.although it's very slim the chance of something corrupting in sdcard would simply cause errors for the apps moved to SD so my paranoia strays me from using any a2sd mods etc.I did in the past used dt app2sd and it worked fine.obviously if you are getting so low on memory even after the mtd then you might be best moving some of the lesser used apps to SD. In this case I personally would try the cm7 built in method . Others may differ but this is my opinion.
Ot. The scrolling cache removal in erwinp and cobje latest builds does not play nice on my phone but others are reporting scrolling improvement so I think it may be hit and miss for the benefits.
Anyways hope you find the method which works best for you.
Regards Slymobi.
"sent from me2u"

I was using mtd partition and dta2sd while on cm7, they work fine together. Just make sure if you use them both to do the mtd partition before installing dta2sd.
The amount of internal storage you have (or don't have) is probably not the cause of your system being sluggish, its most likely what is running in the background, yes the built in taskkiller does a good job but the more apps you have the more it has to do to keep things smooth
I recommend an app I use called autostarts, its better than a taskkiller as it'll stop all the apps that you don't want running in the background constantly starting then being killed then starting again.........
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium

Well, I thought I should complete the thread with my (ongoing) experiences:
Due to the fact that I've been really short on internal storage lately I've decided to give an ext partition on SD a try.
After stumbling over the really sweet & simple sounding "S2E" app I've been a bit shy to give it a go because the last (& rare) posts here @XDA dev about user experience with the app are not very fresh. But after having some issues like another member described here my latest tweaks & changes were lost anyway so I've decided to give it a try while doing everything from scratch anyway.
I'm happy with it so far - all apps on sd-ext now, I'll probably try out (with doing two nandroid backups before...) to move the dalvic cache also but I'm uncertain with that at the moment LOL
Scratch0805 said:
I recommend an app I use called autostarts
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
very nice - that's what I've been looking for: preventing all those apps from constantly starting up without need - thx

Next step done: moved the Dalvic cache over.
I'm pretty much satisfied so far. Everything runs smooth, stable and fast.
In numbers: Around 120 apps (100Mb) and dalvic cache (90Mb) on sd-ext, app data left on internal memory. Around 190Mb internal memory free (of 300). More than 100Mb of free RAM @ 15-20 processes running.
So far - so good. I'll watch this a while (and guess what?: I got married to a second wife, her name's "nandroid"...)
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

What's your configuration ?
eventcom said:
Next step done: moved the Dalvic cache over.
I'm pretty much satisfied so far. Everything runs smooth, stable and fast.
In numbers: Around 120 apps (100Mb) and dalvic cache (90Mb) on sd-ext, app data left on internal memory. Around 190Mb internal memory free (of 300). More than 100Mb of free RAM @ 15-20 processes running.
So far - so good. I'll watch this a while (and guess what?: I got married to a second wife, her name's "nandroid"...)
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey,What is storage space of your SD Card ?
What's the Ext size and Swap size allocated ?
I have got 2 GB SD Card and I am doing the fresh install.
Should I configure the memory following this :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
i.e Ext size (1024M) and Swap size(32M) ?????
Thanks

Hi, unfortunately I've been too busy for a few more things to post here...
optimusodd said:
Hey,What is storage space of your SD Card ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mine is 8GB - when I started with ext partition it has been a class 4 and worked pretty well - now I have a class 10 - which seems to be a bit faster and a bit more stable but not 6 times more (and I haven't done any testing as it runs stable all the time now)
What's the Ext size and Swap size allocated ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AFAIR I've allocated 1024MB - FreeSpace (app by the s2e dev) says I'm having 960MB
I have got 2 GB SD Card and I am doing the fresh install.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
have you already done the custom mtd stuff? (just because that's what really helped me most to get the performance back...)
Should I configure the memory following this :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have done it with CWM recovery like suggested in the thread
i.e Ext size (1024M) and Swap size(32M) ?????
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For the EXT size yes, for the swap size I'm not sure if I configured an ext swap partition at all (I'm not sure if this is necessary with s2e - thought it just needs the partition and does the rest itself...)
Also make sure that you read the warning about moving app DATA to ext, too. I even didn't try to do so...
What I've also done is setting the SD card cache to 2048KB - you can do a speed test with SD tools and set the optimal cache with SD booster.
HTH

eventcom said:
Mine is 8GB - when I started with ext partition it has been a class 4 and worked pretty well - now I have a class 10 - which seems to be a bit faster and a bit more stable but not 6 times more (and I haven't done any testing as it runs stable all the time now)
AFAIR I've allocated 1024MB - FreeSpace (app by the s2e dev) says I'm having 960MB
have you already done the custom mtd stuff? (just because that's what really helped me most to get the performance back...)
I have done it with CWM recovery like suggested in the thread
For the EXT size yes, for the swap size I'm not sure if I configured an ext swap partition at all (I'm not sure if this is necessary with s2e - thought it just needs the partition and does the rest itself...)
Also make sure that you read the warning about moving app DATA to ext, too. I even didn't try to do so...
What I've also done is setting the SD card cache to 2048KB - you can do a speed test with SD tools and set the optimal cache with SD booster.
HTH
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You allocated 1024MB for Ext coz you have got 8GB Card.
Mine is 2GB so what should be the Ext size for it ?( 256MB or 512 MB would not be enough ?)
What should it be ? Ext2 or Ext4 ?
According to this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432459
“Choose Ext2, Ext3 or Ext4 for partition type based on whether your kernel supports Ext4. If it does choose it! If you don't know choose Ext2 to be safe.”
Yes I am done with Custom MTD Partitions.
You didn't try to do "what" ?
What’s up with this “swap” partition ?
It’s so confusing.Some people claim that “swap” is like virtual RAM and more RAM means a more efficient (and faster) device.
Here are the posts supporting “swap” :
http://www.mod2xtreme.com/showthrea...crease-RAM-using-Swap-File-and-Swap-Partition
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...-the-wildfire/page__gopid__330791#entry330791
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
While according to “Cyanogenmod” (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Swap_and_Compcache ) and some member swap doesn’t make any diff .on android devices.
If that’s true and swape is useless then why so many forums going gaga over it on XDA at the first place ???It makes no sense. So bewildering.
Please go through my query :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1738336

optimusodd said:
You allocated 1024MB for Ext coz you have got 8GB Card.
Mine is 2GB so what should be the Ext size for it ?( 256MB or 512 MB would not be enough ?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm, let me think about it... When I saw your question the first time I thought that I would find it hard to go with a 2GB card. Here's why: I'm really not a music or video fanatic but 2GB are nothing if you have just a few mp3's or videos on your card (specifically your camera pics and videos for example...).
So if you say you don't need that - it should be ok.
For the size you need I could only tell from my personal experience, too:
I don't have much discipline with deleting or transferring unused stuff or garbage from my phone - so I might have a few apps installed I rarely or never use (anymore). But I don't collect apps just for fun also - so I'd say I've installed an average number of apps. 120 to be more specific. That makes 474MB used for the ext partition including installed & system apps and Dalvik cache (128MB).
So if you don't plan to install more than 120 apps, 512MB might work for you - I'd probably stuck with 1024 - even with a 2GB card - to prevent running out of space (what happens exactly when you just don't need it )
What should it be ? Ext2 or Ext4 ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To be honest: I can't remember exactly but I've read something about possible problems and incompatibilities with ext4. But I'm not sure if I faced that question at all when I partitioned my card with CWM... if so I'm pretty sure that I've chosen ext3 (just in case I'd like to install a different kernel some time in the future)
Following Oleg Krikun it should be ext3 or ext4 for S2E...
You didn't try to do "what" ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
to move the app data to ext also
What’s up with this “swap” partition ?
It’s so confusing.Some people claim that “swap” is like virtual RAM and more RAM means a more efficient (and faster) device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes it might sound confusing - but there are a few things to consider also besides a simple "do it" or "leave it": More RAM is an advantage if it's true original system RAM which can be accessed fast and handled properly and stable. If you already have a fast processor and much system RAM you might also experience some improvement by using an additional swap partition.
For CM7 - especially on the Wildfire - I pretty much agree with that:
In some applications, this makes it seem as if the application never closed at all. This is not much different from traditional swap, except that Android apps are specially programed to write out very specific information, making Android's Memory Manager more efficient that swap.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But your mileage may vary.
From my experience it's a bit trial and error to find the best setup and config for your phone - you should also know that there are differences between identical devices sometimes.
HTH
BTW: that's a funny post of user "Arfer":
Here are the posts supporting “swap” : (...)
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...-the-wildfire/page__gopid__330791#entry330791
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
he cheers about 126MB free memory but has left over 125MB wasted memory in his system partition. (In other words: using custom MTD partitions he would get at least 100MB more if using a CM7 ROM)
Much different from my specs LOL:
Code:
Name: Cache
Path: /cache
SIZE: 15MB
USED: 1MB
FREE: 13MB
Name: Data
Path: /data
SIZE: 300MB
USED: 229MB
FREE: 70MB
Name: Ext
Path: /sd-ext
SIZE: 960MB
USED: 474MB
FREE: 485MB
Name: SD-card
Path: /sdcard
SIZE: 6670MB
USED: 4509MB
FREE: 2160MB
Name: System
Path: /system
SIZE: 150MB
USED: 123MB
FREE: 26MB

Okay,thanks buddy ,I'm gonna give it a try.
Thanks for your helpful, constructive insight.I really appreciate that.
You rock!!:good:
eventcom said:
BTW: that's a funny post of user "Arfer":
he cheers about 126MB free memory but has left over 125MB wasted memory in his system partition. (In other words: using custom MTD partitions he would get at least 100MB more if using a CM7 ROM)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL,I wonder if he is aware of MTD partition.
Okay,off to "Experimenter mode":fingers-crossed:

SD Card alignment
Hey,what's your take on "SD Card alignment "?
Anybody tried that ?
Here :
http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_calign.html
http://www.patriotmemory.com/forums/showthread.php?3696-HOWTO-Increase-write-speed-by-aligning-FAT32

Hmm, if I'm not totally wrong this has only to do with writing speed issues when you use the regular FAT32 partition of your card on your PC while the EXT partition is NOT FAT32 of course (but a system drive of the Android system) ;-)
Swyped from my HTC Wildfire (Buzz)

[Q] Swap space when formatting

Hello everyone,
I know I'm pretty new here but I have been digging these forums for a few days right now.
I recently bought a faster 16 GB SD Card and rooted my phone to install bigger and other ROM.
But I found verry little info (maybe I didn't looked has much or at the right place) about the swap space you can create in your sd card.
What I read was that it was usefull for the system but when I look at the differents ROM thread they never or very rarely talk about a needed swap place in the sd card partitioning.
Right now I created an ext4 partition with a little bit more than 1gb and a swap with +- 400 mb.
So my question is, is it really usefull or no?
ps: sorry for my english

Gil- said:
Hello everyone,
I know I'm pretty new here but I have been digging these forums for a few days right now.
I recently bought a faster 16 GB SD Card and rooted my phone to install bigger and other ROM.
But I found verry little info (maybe I didn't looked has much or at the right place) about the swap space you can create in your sd card.
What I read was that it was usefull for the system but when I look at the differents ROM thread they never or very rarely talk about a needed swap place in the sd card partitioning.
Right now I created an ext4 partition with a little bit more than 1gb and a swap with +- 400 mb.
So my question is, is it really usefull or no?
ps: sorry for my english
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As far as I know, there are vrey few ROMs that require swap partition. It is usually requested in the first post of the ROM's thread.

Ciobby said:
As far as I know, there are vrey few ROMs that require swap partition. It is usually requested in the first post of the ROM's thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok, thanks !
I will re create my sd card then

Well after a few rom tested I'm not so sure about this...
Ok they never talk about swap space. But the general problem I have when I install a big rom with Android 4.x is that the memory is always full.
Therefore the phone becomes extremly slow when I launch a few applications.
The only solution I found is to install an app to manage the RAM and free some space. But even with this, I need more ram as it's almost alway full.
I will try with a swap of 512 Mo but I have no idea how other people can manage this.
If anyone have a tip about this, it would be great .

Gil- said:
Well after a few rom tested I'm not so sure about this...
Ok they never talk about swap space. But the general problem I have when I install a big rom with Android 4.x is that the memory is always full.
Therefore the phone becomes extremly slow when I launch a few applications.
The only solution I found is to install an app to manage the RAM and free some space. But even with this, I need more ram as it's almost alway full.
I will try with a swap of 512 Mo but I have no idea how other people can manage this.
If anyone have a tip about this, it would be great .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you use the native a2sd scripts that come with 4.x ROMs, then that's your problem. Those scripts only move data/app to sd-ext, leaving the rest on internal. Most of the memory is occupied by dalvik cache.
This script should also move dalvik to ext. Try it.
http://db.tt/m4sQLDOI
Don't forget to backup first.
I never used a swap partition. I think there's no need for it.

abaaaabbbb63 said:
If you use the native a2sd scripts that come with 4.x ROMs, then that's your problem. Those scripts only move data/app to sd-ext, leaving the rest on internal. Most of the memory is occupied by dalvik cache.
This script should also move dalvik to ext. Try it.
http://db.tt/m4sQLDOI
Don't forget to backup first.
I never used a swap partition. I think there's no need for it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for your anwser but right now I'm using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2213033
And I already moved dalvik and data to sd in the installation. I tried every option there, only data, only dalvik and both. Only both is working.
But this doesn't change the RAM used (or maybe it's not so important that the RAM becomes full?)
I also tried other 4.x rom and moved everything but at some point I think there is too many info in the ram and the Desire becomes really laggy.

Gil- said:
Thanks for your anwser but right now I'm using this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2213033
And I already moved dalvik and data to sd in the installation. I tried every option there, only data, only dalvik and both. Only both is working.
But this doesn't change the RAM used (or maybe it's not so important that the RAM becomes full?)
I also tried other 4.x rom and moved everything but at some point I think there is too many info in the ram and the Desire becomes really laggy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
creating a 512MB swap partition is pretty much useless as most ROMs don't implement it. It's a redundant partition which could either be used as extra sd-ext for apps or FAT32 space for music etc. It can cause problems as well depending on the order of partitions.
Even if somehow it could be used, it won't suddenly turn the desire into a phone with 1GB RAM...that's not the way it works. In cases where it is used, only a small swap partition ~25-32MB to occasionally swap a few things in and out of memory. Even then whether it actually makes a difference is dubious imo.
I would recommend repartitioning from scratch again, remove the swap partition. You don't need it, and the ROM you're running won't recognise it's even there.
It's laggy not only because of RAM, and can't be solved by magically adding more of it . Android memory works differently as well, so free RAM is wasted RAM, you shouldn't have to monitor how much is free at any given time. A big part of the lag is simply because it's a JB ROM which is simply very resource heavy on the desire relative to GB ones.

eddiehk6 said:
creating a 512MB swap partition is pretty much useless as most ROMs don't implement it. It's a redundant partition which could either be used as extra sd-ext for apps or FAT32 space for music etc. It can cause problems as well depending on the order of partitions.
Even if somehow it could be used, it won't suddenly turn the desire into a phone with 1GB RAM...that's not the way it works. In cases where it is used, only a small swap partition ~25-32MB to occasionally swap a few things in and out of memory. Even then whether it actually makes a difference is dubious imo.
I would recommend repartitioning from scratch again, remove the swap partition. You don't need it, and the ROM you're running won't recognise it's even there.
It's laggy not only because of RAM, and can't be solved by magically adding more of it . Android memory works differently as well, so free RAM is wasted RAM, you shouldn't have to monitor how much is free at any given time. A big part of the lag is simply because it's a JB ROM which is simply very resource heavy on the desire relative to GB ones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the informations.
Right now I only have an Ext4 of 1 Gb + 15 gb in Fat32. I didn't had the time to recreate the partitions again. So won't do it.
Well I thought it was a RAM issue because without the ram manager app some functions becomes hard to load like.
If I receive a call the phone rings but wait some time before loading the info to display about the call.
Or if I want to answer an sms the keyboard takes time to load.
Same thing with the apps.
With the ram manager it generally loads faster but some time it gets buggy because there is too much work to do to free space (I suppose).
Well that leave me not alot of options about the capacities of the phone .
Maybe just go back to 2.3.x