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hey,
found this news a few minutes ago...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/nexus-one-steps-up-to-720p-hd-video-thanks-to-latest-hack-video/ or here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698287
the nexus has the camera as the desire, or not?
so i think a port isn't impossible !?
raangu
look here Nexus 720p at XDA
This Threat in Desire Forum
The creator has stated that does not work on desire, but he will release a fix for it later tonight
Oooh, I think I'll be rooting very soon for this then!!
Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.
Post up video, before and after?
We could post up videos, before upscaling and after upscaling, that would be very interesting.
tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses
I guess if that is the video mode doing 720p it would annoy people as they said it would be included in a future update, so you would only expect it to be proper hd recording.
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Judging by the quality of the sample video, its pretty clear why HTC never enabled 720p on these cameras, it just isnt real 720p, its just upscaling the already mediocre video quality of the camera to a higher resolution, which results in even more fragments and color distortion.
I seriously do not understand why people freak out because of this.
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Not entirely sure about that. It's well known that the HTC cameras don't work very well in low light conditions and unless I've missed one, all the sample videos are taken indoors without a decent light source. I'm not saying you're wrong, it could very well be as you said. I'd just recommend withholding judgement until we've seen a sample taken under optimal conditions. It'd be great to have 720p even if it only works outdoors in blazing sunshine.
Marc
No phone will do decent hd video in doors in low light just doesn't happen, if you want that you need a high end hd cam corder.
its possible and being worked on but since it requires a kernel mod may take time BUT ... since we have the 2.32.9 kernel ported now it should easy to replicate
Maybe it is a bitrate problem?
Don't know if he increased it?
It would be nice to have the original recorded video to properly analyze it..if this whole 720p thing is some sort of upscale imho it is pretty useless..
Since the camera's (alleged) native resolution is 5 megapixels (ie. has way more than 720 lines), there is no theoretical need for upscaling (in fact you could go much higher than 720p without upscaling.
If the camera actually isn't 5 megapixel (and upscales photos to that resolution), then who knowsif it's worth it....
I think this is next step what dev guys will give us,supprise
tbh, it's not exactly the reason I bought a Desire...it's a phone so as long as it can make calls and receive SMS messages it fulfills it's purpose IMO. Email, Internet, etc. are just bonuses
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Why would you get a smartphone just to make calls and send text. Plenty of decnt feature phones serve that purpose. Personally I don't use the camera on a phone and it's not a selling point. But beng able to hack my phone to take 720 video would be cool, even if I'm not going to use it. It's about the being able to and having fun. Also showing off to all my mates who have closed iToys! ;-)
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720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.
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720p is less than 1mp, so even if the camera were 1.3mp, it could still do 720p without upscaling.
5mp is more than twice as much as 1080p, the real limitation is processing power for encoding and storage space.
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Well, while you are right in some ways, you are so wrong from a technical point of view. Capturing Video is a totally different story than taking photos because taking a picture with autofocus every 2-3 seconds, and capturing 25-30 pictures every second... you cannot compare that, so dont let yourself be blindfolded by megapixels. The size of the CCD elements, and the time theyre exposed to light PLUS the optics is what makes pictures/videos. And when you look at the size of those things in a mobile phone, you get the idea why smartphones are still miiiiiiles away from even midclass digital cameras...
it is all about processor man ,lenses has an effect ,but processor is the main
I read in several reviews that the camera quality isn't as good as expected/thought. Is this pure hardware related? Or is it possible that the photo quality can be improved by software updates?
Pierre118 said:
I read in several reviews that the camera quality isn't as good as expected/thought. Is this pure hardware related? Or is it possible that the photo quality can be improved by software updates?
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The photos I have been taking have been miles better than my Atrix, Craptivate, or N1 could have. I think a BIG part of the issue is that many users are not comfortable with the instant shutter yet, and are used to the old smartphone camera game of anticipating your shots by pressing the shutter button a second earlier and then settling in for the shot so the timing is right. That is not necessary with this camera, so the image will snap when they are "settling in" or moving to follow the subject and will be blurry. Also, just remember to tap the subject in the screen to focus before you snap the pic. I have noticed much better low-light pics than any of my old devices...
As to the much beleaguered argument over 8MP vs. the ("only") 5MP of the GN's camera, that refers to image capture size, meaning that the 8MP image will be able to be cropped better than the 5MP one- that's it. So if you frame your photo's correctly (how you mean the image to look), it is a non-issue because there is no need to crop (IMO).
Thanks! But, do you think a ROM update can improve photo quality? Or is that impossible?
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Thanks! But, do you think a ROM update can improve photo quality? Or is that impossible?
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Not impossible, but any optimizations would be software only, so things like shutter lag, UI of the camera, and filters, etc.
I actually did a blog post on the camera quality. It wasn't scientific in any way, but I came to my own conclusion that any quality issues may be down to agressive ISO and / or JPG Compression and / or Noise reduction.
All of those are fixable in software - but make your own mind up: http://www.thegreenrobotblog.co.uk/2011/11/samsung-galaxy-nexus-camera-sample.html
Is there any application that allows capturing photos in RAW?
I'm currently with ROM Cyanogen 4.3.1
Thanks for your attention.
This will also require part of the hardware to do it. I read google will implement this in the future, but not yet... and then only the higher end cameras could benefit from it (like Sony Xperia Z1/Z2 and others)... not our Note 2 or other 8MP cams. If you're serious about pictures and want to do photoshop high-end editing, a real DSLR camera is only way to go. These are not DSLR cameras we have -- that might be possible 5-10yrs down the road lol. Our phones are super crap for pictures... non compare to real DSLR cameras - but might change in future.
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This will also require part of the hardware to do it. I read google will implement this in the future, but not yet... and then only the higher end cameras could benefit from it (like Sony Xperia Z1/Z2 and others)... not our Note 2 or other 8MP cams. If you're serious about pictures and want to do photoshop high-end editing, a real DSLR camera is only way to go. These are not DSLR cameras we have -- that might be possible 5-10yrs down the road lol. Our phones are super crap for pictures... non compare to real DSLR cameras - but might change in future.
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I believe you to be incorrect on many statements. A DSLR is most importantly not needed for 'good' photography or serious editting and many point and shoots and non DSLRs shoot in RAW. It's simply a format that gives all information the data collects; if the camera has a sensor, it collects sensor data. The RAW sensor data is significantly more wanted than JPG or PNG because it has leaves a lot more capabilities in the editors hands'.
Well you can have your opinions or believe that simply shooting with any camera in RAW gives you something of quality, but coming from a professional photographer and graphic designer, RAW doesn't mean every camera shoots the same RAW quality.
Shooting in RAW for one is slow and then you have to process it with good software (and know what you're doing) ... to be able to produce something good.
You say you don't need a DSLR for "good" photography... your term of "good" is subjective... but for me, I'm talking on a professional scope. Sure you can take good pictures with any half decent camera (or mobile), for yourself or friends... but not something to be published on a professional level (*not some sleaze magazine).
It all depends how they want to use the photos. I probably assumed they wanted something for a professional level for wanting to go through all that trouble... but in no way you can compare mobiles and DSLRs. Even in DSLR cameras they very greatly in quality (not to mention different lenses and capabilities). My Pentax K100D has some great shots, but not when blown larger than 6MP compared to my Canon Rebel II which then loses to my Nikon D800 (signal-to-noise ratio just kills - especially after you need to convert often to TIF for many printing companies).
The Zenfone 2 releases in my country tomorrow, and I'm almost set on it being my next phone. Before I found out about the ZF2, my choice was going to be the OnePlus One.
I love the specs of the Zenfone 2 (who doesn't), but one aspect of the phone that's been getting mixed reception so far is the camera. While ASUS pimped the camera as one of the phone's greatest assets at CES, a couple of reviews/comparisons I've seen online describe a more disappointing (though not 'bad') camera on the phone, particularly in comparison to some of its competition.
eg. two articles from Indian tech magazine Digit, both commenting about the disappointing camera (and battery life) on the Zenfone 2.
http://www.digit.in/mobile-phones/asus-zenfone-2-ze551ml-4gb-ram-32gb-review-25861.html
http://www.digit.in/slideshows/asus-zenfone-2-performance-comparison-9.html
On the other hand, this GSMArena article has a better opinion of the camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_2_series_handson-review-1234p4.php
What do the Zenfone 2 owners and users here think about the camera on their phones? Comparisons to the Zenfone 2's main competitors (OnePlus One and Xiaomi MI4) are welcome.
The latest update made a significant improvement in the image processing. much of the artifacting has been dramatically reduced.
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The latest update made a significant improvement in the image processing. much of the artifacting has been dramatically reduced.
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what?
After reading the GSMArena review and the accompanying raw, untouched 1080p video samples they uploaded, I'm now quite worried about the quality of the video recording on the Zenfone 2. This is somewhat important to me, because I'm a musician and would want to record rehearsal and practice clips quite often, at a 'good' quality to upload online.
The GSMArena 1080p sample looked quite bad, IMO.
http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_2_ze551ml-review-1240p8.php
"The output quality is nothing like you'd expect from a 1080p video and the level of detail is more or less comparable to 480p. The camera adjusts exposure at the slightest change of scenery and the resulting videos come out a bit choppy. Colors are good, but dynamic range is rather limited."
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Just saw these two, in GSMArena's video comparison tool. This looks rather horrid, unfortunately.
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?...Camera2=300282
http://www.gsmarena.com/vidcmp.php3?...Camera2=300282
Zenfone 2 camera quality
The Zenfone 2's 13-Megapixel camera zooming quality is not impressive, but the camera works best without zoom, its video recording is good. I will give its camera 4 stars out of 5 stars.
I looked at several reviews of a50 and a70. All video examples has a problem. Autofocus can not find the optimal setting, so the video is jerky! Most bloggers did not pay attention to this moment! But this is not normal for a $ 485 phone. What do you think about it? Are there owners of the device? Maybe an update has already been released that fixes the situation? Example in youtube 6-iwSS_hX0Q in 5:37 (sorry, i cant permissions for publish links)
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I looked at several reviews of a50 and a70. All video examples has a problem. Autofocus can not find the optimal setting, so the video is jerky! Most bloggers did not pay attention to this moment! But this is not normal for a $ 485 phone. What do you think about it? Are there owners of the device? Maybe an update has already been released that fixes the situation? Example in youtube 6-iwSS_hX0Q in 5:37 (sorry, i cant permissions for publish links)
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Yes,seems to be issues with the cameras,no EIS as far as I know,the 32mp lens uses software to account for only really being 8mp. Im not a camera guy so don't know that much about it but most of what I've seen and read indicate the cameras aren't that good
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Yes,seems to be issues with the cameras,no EIS as far as I know,the 32mp lens uses software to account for only really being 8mp. Im not a camera guy so don't know that much about it but most of what I've seen and read indicate the cameras aren't that good
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Thanks fo reply! I means video camera only. Photo camera, in my opinion, is not bad. But the video, which is approaching, then moving away, is a real problem. I'm not ready to give $ 500 for the quality of the video, as if my hands were shaking. But I expect that the problem can be solved in one of the updates.
This is a stabilisation issue I think, not a focus one. Ideally the camera software could do some work to stabilising 1080p video using the spare/latent area from the 4K chip, but it would still require some heavy processing which perhaps the chipset is not up to?
Andre
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This is a stabilisation issue I think, not a focus one.
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May be, I incorrectly described the problem when I said about shaking hands. The frame in the video is approaching, then moving away. Then approaching again. That is looks as the zoom is not fixed. Poor stabilization may be an indirect cause of this behavior. That is, shaking may interfere with the correct setting of autofocus. But I am convinced that the actual reason is poor autofocus.
It's really simple.
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS
As you can see in this review https://youtu.be/rwrDrG23gRA?t=344 (5:43) stabilization is just fine.
Glotttis said:
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS.
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That's what I was hoping (see my last post). Good to see someone showing 1080 recording while walking, which is sufficient for most users I suspect. To get stabilisation in 4K you either need a much larger raw chip resolution, or optical stabilisation (probably not on mid-range devices).
Andre
Here's another A70 1080p rear camera video, he tests many scenarios. Looks OK to me for this price range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ju52xFjYz4
If you need to shoot a lot of high quality videos then get S10 which is twice the price. Mid range phones will never have camera as good as high end flagships, that's just impossible.
Glotttis said:
It's really simple.
4K video = no EIS
1080p video = EIS
As you can see in this review https://youtu.be/rwrDrG23gRA?t=344 (5:43) stabilization is just fine.
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I'm not sure still. My example in start post shows 3 shooting modes:
1. 4k
2. 1080p
3. 1080p Wide angle lens
3rd shooting mode gives good quality only. The second mode is also a little jerky
p.s. I think, my xiaomi mi5 probably did not have that problem. But i just can not check it now. So I am unpleasantly surprised by this effect
Wider angle shooting always makes shots look steadier, regardless of any other technology. The more you zoom an image in, the more any camera shake is exaggerated.
Andre