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Hi all,
Whilst the rhodium is a definate viable upgrade from the Raphael (and comes a little closer to the combined goodness of the Kaiser and Universal) it still seems to lack some essentials.
Why have HTC stuck a rubbish 3MP camera in it yet the HD and Topaz get 5MP?
No flashlight, also quite an essential highly useful piece of hardware that I use on an almost daily basis and consider to be a standard function of a decent PDA.
Amplified internal antenna for Radio, not essential but surely HTC could make this happen by now. We've had several devices capable of receiving FM yet you still have to use a hardwired headset to get signal.
I imagine it would not be too difficult to replace the camera sensor with a 5MP and take the drivers and software from the Topaz to make it functional though, however this I feel is yet another major oversight from HTC.
Flashlight, not so easy to add on to the device post production, would require case modification and voltage.............. Anybody know if the MBD is similar enough to the Raphael to actualy have the circuitry for this so that we can utilise the software controls for a FlashLight or whether it would require a seperate switch to enable such functionality.
Whilst I would realy like to upgrade to the Rhodium I feel that the camera and flashlight are major components that could swing my decision.
The Universal "was" to me the perfect PDA, it's just to bulky now and lacks the hardware integration such as GPS and FM that current devices have to make it viable for everyday use.
Do we have any serious hardware guys in the Rhodium forum yet that could answer my questions regarding the camera and flashlight as post production user upgrades.
Cheers,
(a very inactive )Beasty
I can tell you this much... my flashlight broke on my MDA and I have an app that amplifies the screen brightness all the way and turns the screen white. It works almost as well. As far as the flash for the camera goes... I have the camera set to nightmode which adjusts just as bright as if using the flash. So no biggie for me, at all...
Why exactly is a 3.2 MP camera rubbish? I don't understand this reasoning at all. 5 MP is a bigger number, but it doesn't create better pictures - only bigger ones. Pictures so big that if you're serious about taking them you need a dedicated camera to do with it. The camera on the phone is an accessory. You're not buying a camera with a phone in it.
Lack of an LED camera flash is a somewhat more realistic complaint. Although the range of such things is very short, there are enough dim light situations encountered on a day-to-day basis that it would be useful.
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
Whilst the rhodium is a definate viable upgrade from the Raphael (and comes a little closer to the combined goodness of the Kaiser and Universal) it still seems to lack some essentials.
Why have HTC stuck a rubbish 3MP camera in it yet the HD and Topaz get 5MP?
No flashlight, also quite an essential highly useful piece of hardware that I use on an almost daily basis and consider to be a standard function of a decent PDA.
Amplified internal antenna for Radio, not essential but surely HTC could make this happen by now. We've had several devices capable of receiving FM yet you still have to use a hardwired headset to get signal.
I imagine it would not be too difficult to replace the camera sensor with a 5MP and take the drivers and software from the Topaz to make it functional though, however this I feel is yet another major oversight from HTC.
Flashlight, not so easy to add on to the device post production, would require case modification and voltage.............. Anybody know if the MBD is similar enough to the Raphael to actualy have the circuitry for this so that we can utilise the software controls for a FlashLight or whether it would require a seperate switch to enable such functionality.
Whilst I would realy like to upgrade to the Rhodium I feel that the camera and flashlight are major components that could swing my decision.
The Universal "was" to me the perfect PDA, it's just to bulky now and lacks the hardware integration such as GPS and FM that current devices have to make it viable for everyday use.
Do we have any serious hardware guys in the Rhodium forum yet that could answer my questions regarding the camera and flashlight as post production user upgrades.
Cheers,
(a very inactive )Beasty
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Hi Beasty
Nice to see you around!
I´m completly agree with you.
As an Universal user (As main phone) to this date I haven´t saw a REAL decent succesor, for a moment thinked of TP2 but adding to the points you mention the smaller keyboard and the fact that processor is almost the same as in Uni I think I´ll wait a while more to upgrade.
perhaps in 2010 some good models we can see from HTC¿
Or perhaps Toshiba new models.....
Cheers to you!
I'm umming and arring. I quite fancy the Touch Pro2. It has a wonderfully large screen (3.6", 480x800) and is otherwise like my current TyTN II with a bit more hoursepower. The biggest draw is, as ever, the XDA-Developer community and the availability of accessories. However, I do understand that it could have *more*.
I had The TyTn and I loved the flashlight. It was awful for taking pictures, but great for working down the back of electrical cupboards and desks. I miss it on the TyTn II.
I don't really care about the 3.2Mp camera being a "limit". If you want more than 3Mp, you really need a decent lens. Sure, it's nice being able to take pictures while out and about without carrying another device, but if I really wanted to take a picture I would probably be carrying a proper camera. And if I did have a 5Mp camera n my phone, I'd probably wish it was 10Mp.
I also don't see the point of the FM radio. Between podcasts and choosing the music I want to play by Mp3 file, I can't see why I'd want anything else (and 5 live is on AM anyway).
And this brings me to my problem - The Acer Temp M900. Bigger screen (3.8"), 5Mp camera and a flash, although also slightly bigger (3x3x-.15mm) and heavier (by 18 grams). By headline features it is superior.
It does,however, have less memory (256 vs 512 of ROM, 128 vs 288 RAM) and runs on a Samsung 6410 @ 533Mhz, although I don't know how that compares to the Qualcomm chip in the current batch of HTC phones. I also don't know whether there are known problems with the video capabilities of the phone like there are with the Qualcomm chips (as per htcclassaction.org). In my TyTn/Hermes I had a Samsung chip running at 400Mhz and I remember watching some CSI New York on it without much of a problem. This could therefore be a good thing (or a bad thing).
So I don't know, seems having a choice is almost as bad as not having one.
I dunno, this whole class action thing seems like much ado about nothing to me. I'm constantly ripping movies for my Vogue and they play flawlessly. The idea of videos stopping or skipping is unknown to me. It seems like this class action thing is inspired by people who don't quite know enough for their own good. I suspect it's less of a driver problem than a user expectation problem. I'm no whiz at this stuff, and if anyone would have issues with video, I would expect it to be me, since I don't know what I'm doing when ripping videos for the device.
Camera and flash is never an issue for me. I only use the camera once in a while and maybe use it for capturing my contact's photos. I try not to take photos in pitch dark or when there is not enough lighting, even when you have a flash, the photo is awful. Proper lighting is needed for good photos. Serious photos should be taken with a serious SR camera.
As for radio, I am don't mind using the headsets as an hardwire for the antenna, as long as it has a radio for me to listen to when I want to. The News is pretty important to me.
As comparing to the Universal, there is really no comparison, I think. Correct me if I am wrong, this is only a personal feeling. The camera is better, there are more memory, the CPU is at similar speed but the technology is different. Its like comparing a VIA C7-M ULV Processor 1.6GHz to an Intel Atom 1.33GHz. The Atom is actually faster as it is more refined. So really, speed is only a number. It really needed to be tested. But RAM and ROM does make a difference. So the more the better. I hate it when my device tells me I am running out of memory and it crashes.
In all, I think the TP2 is still a pretty good device to bet on. Of course I can think of lots of other things it could have. Like I would love it to have a Snapdragon CPU. I would love it to have HD video capturing. I would love it to have 16m colours. I would love it to have 16GB internal memory, etc...
All I like is an over-all, balanced little hand-held device and which I think this little one has... Actually... he he he... I really really wished it had a 3.5mm jack.
Hi I all,
I wasn't stating that I thought the Rhodium was rubbish.
I'm simply stating that I feel HTC are misguided with their designs.
The Rhodium does look very attractive and to be honest I probably will end up buying (purely for the larger screen, better speakers and keyboard) my Raphael is very feature packed but not very functional, the hard keyboard is far from useable and the screen real estate is rather painful after my Uni.
All I am stating is why can't HTC simply take the best of their ideas and current range and roll them all into the so-called "PRo" devices.
Sure we all have different specs that we would like to see as standard but what I fail to understand is why they have to add decent functionality to some devices and then leave it off of others.
For example, Topaz has 5mp lens, yet Rhodium only gets 3mp............. what is the purpose for using the less capable camera............ I'm sure it's no cheaper to manufacture than the 5mp.
It's good to see what others think though,
Thanks all for your points-of-view..........
@ Orb..... :- Glad to see you still floating around too Sir, I have seen you around the Uni and Raphael forums, I just don't have the time to Develop or participate much any more mate. Take care
Regards,
Beasty
What do you really think? Of course they won't release a device with everything, how should they be able to make a follow up ey?
Now they gave us the bigger screen and possibility to adjust the angle, but took the flashlight
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What do you really think? Of course they won't release a device with everything, how should they be able to make a follow up ey?
Now they gave us the bigger screen and possibility to adjust the angle, but took the flashlight
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Perhaps that is my problem then.
At the time of release the Uni had "everything" tilt and twist display, twin cameras, twin speakers, decent sized keyboard and flashlight.
If it had built in GPS and 3.5G I would still be using it as an everyday device.
My point is they got it right at the time with the Uni, why are doing half jobs now
As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
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Easy, he says. It's a snap I think you should just get ahead of the curve now and buy one of these.
cocoaju said:
Camera and flash is never an issue for me. I only use the camera once in a while and maybe use it for capturing my contact's photos. I try not to take photos in pitch dark or when there is not enough lighting, even when you have a flash, the photo is awful. Proper lighting is needed for good photos. Serious photos should be taken with a serious SR camera.
As for radio, I am don't mind using the headsets as an hardwire for the antenna, as long as it has a radio for me to listen to when I want to. The News is pretty important to me.
As comparing to the Universal, there is really no comparison, I think. Correct me if I am wrong, this is only a personal feeling. The camera is better, there are more memory, the CPU is at similar speed but the technology is different. Its like comparing a VIA C7-M ULV Processor 1.6GHz to an Intel Atom 1.33GHz. The Atom is actually faster as it is more refined. So really, speed is only a number. It really needed to be tested. But RAM and ROM does make a difference. So the more the better. I hate it when my device tells me I am running out of memory and it crashes.
In all, I think the TP2 is still a pretty good device to bet on. Of course I can think of lots of other things it could have. Like I would love it to have a Snapdragon CPU. I would love it to have HD video capturing. I would love it to have 16m colours. I would love it to have 16GB internal memory, etc...
All I like is an over-all, balanced little hand-held device and which I think this little one has... Actually... he he he... I really really wished it had a 3.5mm jack.
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I fully agree with you on this,
the 3.5 is the only thing I really wish it had.
But I mean it's not like they can build the perfect pocket pc,
everyone's likes/dislikes are completely different.
Well, i think its safe to say, that no matter what device comes out, their will always be something missing.. Some feature someone wanted on it that it doesnt include. Its the way of things. Personally, except for the 3.5mm jack, it pretty much does everything im going to want from it. I just got a 10mp pocket camrea so im not concerned with the built in one. Also, i thought i DID have an FM tuner in it? everything ive read says it does. Even if it doesnt tho, im not concered about it.
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I dunno, this whole class action thing seems like much ado about nothing to me. I'm constantly ripping movies for my Vogue and they play flawlessly. The idea of videos stopping or skipping is unknown to me. It seems like this class action thing is inspired by people who don't quite know enough for their own good. I suspect it's less of a driver problem than a user expectation problem. I'm no whiz at this stuff, and if anyone would have issues with video, I would expect it to be me, since I don't know what I'm doing when ripping videos for the device.
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I have watched videos on my Hermes and Wizard with little problem. Similar files on my Kaiser skipped a bit. I don't think it is quite the big thing people make it out to be (it still works as a phone), but it certainly exists and I'd rather my phone did everything I wanted rather than just most things.
Lyian said:
Well, i think its safe to say, that no matter what device comes out, their will always be something missing.. Some feature someone wanted on it that it doesnt include. Its the way of things. Personally, except for the 3.5mm jack, it pretty much does everything im going to want from it. I just got a 10mp pocket camrea so im not concerned with the built in one. Also, i thought i DID have an FM tuner in it? everything ive read says it does. Even if it doesnt tho, im not concered about it.
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The 3.5mm jack is pointless IMHO. It wouldn't take a headset, so you have to pull the headphones out to answer the phone. The extUSB is not ideal, but at least you don't have to faff, plus it allows for inline controls. I was initially sceptical, but having lived with it I have been converted. I won't repeat myself, but see here.
And it just occured to me why they have gone with the 3Mp camera. If the pixel size/density is the same in both and the lens is the same size, the physical size of the CCD will be larger in the 5Mp camera, therefore requiring either a stronger lens (resulting in fish eye pictures) or the lens to be further from the CCD. This would make it impractical (or maybe uneconomical) to put a larger CCD in a phone with keyboard as it is slimmer (or at least the keyboard section is slimmer) than a non-keyboard model.
beast0898 said:
@ Orb..... :- Glad to see you still floating around too Sir, I have seen you around the Uni and Raphael forums, I just don't have the time to Develop or participate much any more mate. Take care
Regards,
Beasty
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Yes, and thank to you and Laurentius I´m now adicted to this great community
I remember the old days on Universal with you guys
Really miss you!
beast0898 said:
Perhaps that is my problem then.
At the time of release the Uni had "everything" tilt and twist display, twin cameras, twin speakers, decent sized keyboard and flashlight.
If it had built in GPS and 3.5G I would still be using it as an everyday device.
My point is they got it right at the time with the Uni, why are doing half jobs now
As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Completly agree with Beasty!!
Why in 2005 they launched a perfect device: Universal
What happened on 2008/2009??
I´m sure they noticed it´s better to make not perfect devices as everybody will change it every year, if they continue making perfect ones buisness would not be great.
But I can see now TP2 like a good but not perfect option, before thre was nothing...
Cavey.co.uk said:
The 3.5mm jack is pointless IMHO. It wouldn't take a headset, so you have to pull the headphones out to answer the phone. The extUSB is not ideal, but at least you don't have to faff, plus it allows for inline controls. I was initially sceptical, but having lived with it I have been converted. I won't repeat myself, but see here.
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You can have a 3.5mm socket that takes a headset + 3.5 adaptor, or any 3.5mm plug in the same socket. My X1 has this.
I can see why you'd say it's pointless, as often I use the adaptor (to accept calls with my headphones in), so it could just as well be extUSB. However, it's useful to have the socket for those occasions you need it and don't have the adaptor on you.
Also, I've found 3.5mm sockets unreliable on phones. I had an HD for about 2 weeks and the 3.5mm socket broke (had to send it back for repair), and the same happened after a couple of weeks with my X1. I hope it doesn't happen again, as they took over 2 weeks to repair it!
If all 3.5mm sockets are as badly built as the X1 and HDs ones, I'd rather not have them (unless I renew my T-mobile contract that gave next day swap out replacements!).
codybear said:
I fully agree with you on this,
the 3.5 is the only thing I really wish it had.
But I mean it's not like they can build the perfect pocket pc,
everyone's likes/dislikes are completely different.
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Yup, personally I'd just as soon it had no camera at all. I'm stuck paying for and carrying a hunk of tech I don't really want. But the world seems to be against me on the utility of camera phones.
DavidMc0 said:
Also, I've found 3.5mm sockets unreliable on phones. I had an HD for about 2 weeks and the 3.5mm socket broke (had to send it back for repair), and the same happened after a couple of weeks with my X1. I hope it doesn't happen again, as they took over 2 weeks to repair it!
If all 3.5mm sockets are as badly built as the X1 and HDs ones, I'd rather not have them (unless I renew my T-mobile contract that gave next day swap out replacements!).
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the iPhones 3.5mm socket seems to be holding up. I haven't heard any complaints about it, and as far as im aware, it accepts/uses headsets.
Never had any problems with my HD's 3.5mm socket.
beast0898 said:
Hi I all,
...I feel HTC are misguided with their designs.
The Rhodium does look very attractive...
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Why did they have to make it look like an an old i-phone? Isn't the design world past that now?
And why does it have to be bigger than it's predecessor without much usable difference in specification?
I've got an option of getting either the Motorola Defy or the Huawei Ideos X5 on a new contract.
Here are the Ideos X5's specs:
* Android™ 2.2 (Froyo)
* 3.8" touch screen with automatic rotation
* WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
* Bluetooth 2.1 A2DP stereo
* 720P HD video recording
* GPS: GpsOne Gen8
* Google applications
* PC-similar Web browser that supports AdobeTM Flash 10.1
* User-friendly keyboard
* Proximity sensor for automatic screen lock
* Ambient light sensor for automatic light adjustment
* Ambient noise reduction with a dual microphone
* SRS WOW HD audio effect
* Built-in antenna
* Dimensions: 120 mm x 62 mm x 11.6 mm
* Weight with battery: approx. 130 grams
* External connections: Standard micro USB, microSD card slot, 3.5 mm headset
* External memory possibilities: microSD card up to 32 GB
* Installed memory: ROM 4 GB, RAM 512 MB
* Battery: stand-by time: up to 380 hours, talking time: up to 500 minutes, loading time: 1.5 hours
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I'm a new user so it won't let me post the GSM arena or device DB links. Sorry to make you guys search.
I'd like to hear from you since you already have a defy, which would you prefer.
The facts:
The x5 has slightly better hardware.
The x5 has a .1 inch larger screen.
Defy is much smaller(the x5 has a lot of dead space around the screen)
Defy is stronger and waterproof...etc
The x5 has 2.2 and has stock android.
Defy has 2.1 and is all motoblurry.
x5 has little to no developer support as far as I can tell, so custom roms are not really an option.
Defy appears to have awesome developer support.
I played around with the x5 in the store today and it feels a bit plasticy and prone to fall damage.
When i have both side by side the Defy's screen seems ages smaller... How is it in terms of size for you guys? Is it good/acceptable? Can you properly play some games on it?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. I just can't seem to decide which to pick.
I had a ZTE Blade before my defy, which feels similar in build quality to the huawei. I was forever worried about damaging it - especially the screen which had a soft feel to it (plastic rather than glass)
Huawei's (like the ZTE's) are built for the budget market and the specs aren't that far apart, so as a choice between the two, i'd definitely go for the defy.
Had to face a similar situation back then, the X5 was delayed so I got the Defy.
The X5 got 720p recording IIRC. But the size is larger. And certain X5 (U8800H) got higher speed HSDPA/HSUPA than Defy.
The X5 was released at a lower price than I expected through.
You can't really tell if X5 has good dev-support bcs. it's not released long enough.
moto defy 4ever
The Defy has stock Froyo deblurred ROM. You will have to flash it yourself but it is not an issue.
The display size is similar for all practical aspects. However as the Defy is smaller overall also the display seems smaller (optical illusion).
If Huawei commits to upgrade to Gingerbread I would consider it. Otherwise, for the same money I would go for Defy.
I tried x5 briefly and the first thing came to mind was the very narrow screen viewing angle, probably narrower than ATM machine screens. Scrolling through home screens and application drawer was noticeably smoother than stock defy, but launcherpro's more than making up for that. Also tried surfing a little but didn't notice much speed difference, maybe just the network.
For comparable price and performance I won't consider Chinese phones (I'm Chinese if that matters), especially after watching another Chinese phone, meizu m9, turning high quality components to a low quality product. Huawei, while very established, is not known for making phones. And the previous ideos was a low quality entrance level product.
Defy. Its just brilliant. WATERPROOF! \m/
I have got my One X on Saturday (Tegra version, HT24 batch) and I am posting my quick impressions.
GOOD THINGS:
- Build quality is superb, after reading horror stories here I was really worried, but happily my device is perfect - no creaking, flex, gaps, yellow spots etc.
- Polycarbonate body looks really great, although it is a bit slippery. Rubber-like back of my HD2 felt more secure in hand.
- Display is just amazing, colours are vivid and natural (compared to oversaturated, 'radioactive' mess on SAMOLEDs), resolution is perfect (no pen-tile absurd). I don't think any screen in the near future can get much better than this. I haven't observed any flickering at all or graphics corruption a lot of people complain about. My LCD is slightly on the warmer side (but not yellowish), colour calibration and gamma are surprisingly good (this is not something you see on mobiles displays often). If I wanted to be really picky, there is a small particle of dust behind the glass (about one pixel size, looks like a dead pixel), which I can only see under the microscope (sic!) really.
- Touchscreen is very responsive and the glass has got this nice 'soft' feeling under the fingers (some kind of coating?).
- Performance is great, UI is smooth, internal storage is blazing fast (> 30MB/s). It is a joy to use this phone.
NEUTRAL:
- Battery life. Not great, but not terrible either (sofware 1.28). The battery can easily last the whole day (6AM - 11PM) with moderate usage: a lot of phone calls & texts, 1 hour of internet browsing and music, a bit of gaming, 3G / Wifi on + Exchange & GMail push synchronization enabled all the time.
- Sense. I prefer stock ICS, but Sense is not that bad. It has got some nice widgets and sync features. It would be perfect if HTC could just provide stock ICS experience, will some additional wallpapers, themes, widgets and sync options. The biggest problem is that Sense alone eats almost 800MB of RAM on One-X.
BAD THINGS:
- Quality of headphone output is really terrible. There is huge amount of noise (SNR must be really low) and even at the maximum level volume is just OK on pretty sensitive Ultimate Ears 700 IEMs. My old HD2 sounds like audiophile device when compared to One X. Really disappointed here.
- GPS works well indoors and fix is quick, but erratic. Position on Google maps is just floating all over the screen (it looks quite funny), in most cases it stabilizes after a while though. It seems like some output filtering / accuracy reporting issue (GPS reports 1m accuracy which I find hard to believe), hopefully this can be corrected by further software updates. At this point GPS is quite unusable in applications that rely on distance / speed calculations (Sports tracking, Car Nav, etc).
- Camera is overhyped IMHO. The pictures are VERY grainy, oversaturated and lacking details (too much noise reduction?). They actually look worse than from HD2, not to mention my old Nokia N82. The photos I saw in various 'camera is great' threads on XDA are also pretty bad, I am not sure what all this fuss is about. It is probably some mass-hallucination The camera is just average, at best. However, you can't deny that speed of capture application is great.
- Not enough RAM - when Android + Sense consumes almost 800MB, 1GB is just not enough. Because of lack of RAM, applications are killed very quickly and multitasking is significantly affected. This device should ship with at least 1.5GB of RAM.
- Software is still unpolished and outdated (2.x kernel, Android 4.0.3 base in 2012 flagship model - HTC, seriously?), Tegra power management is lacking, there are a lot of small bugs. This should be resolved within a few months (hopefully!)
- Lack of MicroSD slot. I am not that concerned about replacement battery, but absence of SD card slot is a MAJOR design fault. First of all, with microSD you could expand your phone with 32GB of extra space for 15 quid or so and not waste quick internal memory for data like movies, music or pictures. Second (I think more important) point is that memory card is great for quickly transferring data between devices and storing / taking backups (Titanium Backup, CWM). If something goes wrong with the phone (it dies, gets damaged, etc.) then you can say goodbye to your data on the internal memory. With microSD card, you just move it to another device / card reader and easily recover your files from it.
It might look like there are more bad points than good ones, but I am actually loving this device. It has just got this 'premium' felling (build quality, screen), it is really hard not to like it. It is just a shame that sound quality is dire (despite of 'Beats Audio' branding) and the phone is plagued with various QC / software issues. I really hope HTC will be able to rectify them soon, this handset deserves it.
aszu said:
I have got my One X on Saturday (Tegra version, HT24 batch) and I am posting my quick impressions.
GOOD THINGS:
- Build quality is superb, after reading horror stories here I was really worried, but happily my device is perfect - no creaking, flex, gaps, yellow spots etc.
- Polycarbonate body looks really great, although it is a bit slippery. Rubber-like back of my HD2 felt more secure in hand.
- Display is just amazing, colours are vivid and natural (compared to oversaturated, 'radioactive' mess on SAMOLEDs), resolution is perfect (no pen-tile absurd). I don't think any screen in the near future can get much better than this. I haven't observed any flickering at all or graphics corruption a lot of people complain about. My LCD is slightly on the warmer side (but not yellowish), colour calibration and gamma are surprisingly good (this is not something you see on mobiles displays often). If I wanted to be really picky, there is a small particle of dust behind the glass (about one pixel size, looks like a dead pixel), which I can only see under the microscope (sic!) really.
- Touchscreen is very responsive and the glass has got this nice 'soft' feeling under the fingers (some kind of coating?).
- Performance is great, UI is smooth, internal storage is blazing fast (> 30MB/s). It is a joy to use this phone.
NEUTRAL:
- Battery life. Not great, but not terrible either (sofware 1.28). The battery can easily last the whole day (6AM - 11PM) with moderate usage: a lot of phone calls & texts, 1 hour of internet browsing and music, a bit of gaming, 3G / Wifi on + Exchange & GMail push synchronization enabled all the time.
- Sense. I prefer stock ICS, but Sense is not that bad. It has got some nice widgets and sync features. It would be perfect if HTC could just provide stock ICS experience, will some additional wallpapers, themes, widgets and sync options. The biggest problem is that Sense alone eats almost 800MB of RAM on One-X.
BAD THINGS:
- Quality of headphone output is really terrible. There is huge amount of noise (SNR must be really low) and even at the maximum level volume is just OK on pretty sensitive Ultimate Ears 700 IEMs. My old HD2 sounds like audiophile device when compared to One X. Really disappointed here.
- GPS works well indoors and fix is quick, but erratic. Position on Google maps is just floating all over the screen (it looks quite funny), in most cases it stabilizes after a while though. It seems like some output filtering / accuracy reporting issue (GPS reports 1m accuracy which I find hard to believe), hopefully this can be corrected by further software updates. At this point GPS is quite unusable in applications that rely on distance / speed calculations (Sports tracking, Car Nav, etc).
- Camera is overhyped IMHO. The pictures are VERY grainy, oversaturated and lacking details (too much noise reduction?). They actually look worse than from HD2, not to mention my old Nokia N82. The photos I saw in various 'camera is great' threads on XDA are also pretty bad, I am not sure what all this fuss is about. It is probably some mass-hallucination The camera is just average, at best. However, you can't deny that speed of capture application is great.
- Not enough RAM - when Android + Sense consumes almost 800MB, 1GB is just not enough. Because of lack of RAM, applications are killed very quickly and multitasking is significantly affected. This device should ship with at least 1.5GB of RAM.
- Software is still unpolished and outdated (2.x kernel, Android 4.0.3 base in 2012 flagship model - HTC, seriously?), Tegra power management is lacking, there are a lot of small bugs. This should be resolved within a few months (hopefully!)
- Lack of MicroSD slot. I am not that concerned about replacement battery, but absence of SD card slot is a MAJOR design fault. First of all, with microSD you could expand your phone with 32GB of extra space for 15 quid or so and not waste quick internal memory for data like movies, music or pictures. Second (I think more important) point is that memory card is great for quickly transferring data between devices and storing / taking backups (Titanium Backup, CWM). If something goes wrong with the phone (it dies, gets damaged, etc.) then you can say goodbye to your data on the internal memory. With microSD card, you just move it to another device / card reader and easily recover your files from it.
It might look like there are more bad points than good ones, but I am actually loving this device. It has just got this 'premium' felling (build quality, screen), it is really hard not to like it. It is just a shame that sound quality is dire (despite of 'Beats Audio' branding) and the phone is plagued with various QC / software issues. I really hope HTC will be able to rectify them soon, this handset deserves it.
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Just would like to offer my own experience on the bad poings you covered:
Audio is Great with my Marley Zions, On the Beats profiles and no effect settings its above and beyond my Desire HD and HD2. Not sure how you'd. Put the HD2 above it, as IMO that was a horrible sounding device (It lasted me two weeks). But of course audio is subjective.
GPS, this may be your device, as I was using GPS extensively saturday night for a car cruise where we'd be texted the next location and have to find our way there (all 500+ of us )
But GPS lock on in Essex, Took 2-5 seconds, withvabsolutely no disconnections for 2 hours estimated total, I was very impressed as my DHD had awful GPS performance.
I partly agree with the Camera, In low light it struggles due to the over compression, which should be sorted via software update, but in good light It's one of the best Or the best cameraphones I've used.
Ram- 1GB is quite sufficient, I have around 350MB free RAM when I'm not using any other applications, and I don't know of any apps that require 350MB of Ram , Games like GTA and Riptide GP etc will use 100MB at It's max. I can run Stick it while browsing facebook. and listening to music, etc.
More RAM isn't really necessary yet, until battery improvements arise, and of course the requirement for it, but if It's a concern then LG have a phone with 2GB of RAM, but like I said its not necessary and wouldn't be utilized.
SD card issue is also subjective. sure I agree It's a little inconvenient as I like to swap data around, but the improved read and. write speed is a welcome trade off , 25+MB/s compared to around 6-10MB/S On my DHD.
Good review but:
- Battery will improve in a week, especially on 1.29
- Camera is like you described in low light but its amazing in daylight reduce sharpness to -2
- Audio output is amazing, earphones are a nodge better than iPhone4/4s earphoens, what are you talking about
Regarding sd card, everything seems to be going the way of the cloud. I never switched my sd card on previous phones anyway.
Music is backed up on Google music, photos on dropbox, titanium backup can sync with multiple cloud services, so there's not too many important things that can be lost.
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I bought my over the weekend.
Battery Life will alway seem rubbish when you first get the phone, mostly because it a new toy so we keep playing with it.
My Desire was rubbish.. but once got over the wow new toy.. i could take it off charge at 7am and at 11pm it was at 75% (sometimes 90% if untouched).
So i am hoping the same will be true with the HOX.
I like to watch videos, (on holiday) so i do hope it can handle a 2hour film and still be at 50+% charge when done.
I wasn't really that bothered the battery cannot be removed, really the only time i needed to remove battery on the Desire was due to some apps not liking the new Custom ROM. i can alway use a portable charger.
The Screen is gorgeous, just stunning.
Now i was shocked to find only 300megs was left on a 1GB phone... wow, the desire only had 480 and i still had 120mb free.
The big problem was that HTC failed to give us update and blamed the limited amout of Memory... I really hope they dont pull that trick again, eg Jelly Bean comes out and say sorry your 1gb Quad core phone doesn't have the space to run it!
there is some lag here and there but overal an impressive phone.
The dancing GPS will not affect car navigation. You can only really see it when using Google maps and standing still. It is due to a firmware bug from what I can tell, whereby it is not utilising all available satellites, and seemingly also misinterpreting A-GPS info. I find it better if Wi-Fi is switched off for example. I am confident that this will improve with a subsequent firmware update.
If you havent done this yet.
Go to Settings - Sound - Sound Enhancer -
Then at the very top on the black bar there is an Arrow. Select this it will be on Other for Heandphones. Select one of the other 2 options and see wich works better.
The other default sounds horrible. You will notice an increase in volume as well.
Also - you need the headphones plugged in or Sound Enhancer is greyed out.
why on earth would anyone buy a phone w no SD card slot just to complain about it? It's like buying an Iphone but complain about the 3.5 inch screen. Just to remind you the fact that it has no SD card slot --> unibody --> why it's beautiful --> why people choose it over the S3.
Anyway it's your phone, your money, your experience. Complain as much as you want or just return it and move on.
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The dancing GPS will not affect car navigation. You can only really see it when using Google maps and standing still. It is due to a firmware bug from what I can tell, whereby it is not utilising all available satellites, and seemingly also misinterpreting A-GPS info. I find it better if Wi-Fi is switched off for example. I am confident that this will improve with a subsequent firmware update.
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I hope you're right about firmware fiing this.
I tried to use Runkeeper and Endomondo sports tracker today for a walking trip. After 1 mile walking, the SGPS track reported me covering 6 miles at a speed of 20-something miles per hour. The track was all over the place. USELESS!
I had a Galaxy Nexus as backup...track was flawless.
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Software is still unpolished and outdated (2.x kernel, Android 4.0.3 base in 2012 flagship model - HTC, seriously?
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Blame Nvidia (or HTC for choosing their SoC). Not a single Teg3 device released is on a ICS kernel (the XL is). The biggest and most common issue with the phone right now is graphics drivers problems that are clogging the front page of the forum and really frustrating people. The same thing happened when the Asus Prime launched. Not letting HTC off the hook but, based on some of the Teg3 related problems the One X is experiencing that neither the XL or S are, I'm betting their not real big Nvidia fans right now either.
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... I was using GPS extensively saturday night for a car cruise where we'd be texted the next location and have to find our way there (all 500+ of us ) ..
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That sounds like a lot of fun.
I'm hoping the Tegra problems are taking a while because Nvidia are working on the 3.x kernel.
As someone else has already pointed out, I'm not sure what's up with the sound on your HOX but I don't have any noise on mine. I'm using a mix of Denon in ear (got them on a Play.com offer for travelling around with) to high end Sennheiser full size headphones and with decent quality FLAC files the sound is very good.
Using the Sennheisers the volume is quite loud but it's not as loud as on some other kit, the Denon's go louder than I could ever want them, so it does depend on sensitivity of the headphones but sure, the output isn't as high as some others.
Agree with you on the camera though, it is pretty grainy on most pics I have seen, not that I bought the phone for the camera, but it's a bit disappointing seeing how HTC seem to make a point of how great the camera is.
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The dancing GPS will not affect car navigation. You can only really see it when using Google maps and standing still. It is due to a firmware bug from what I can tell, whereby it is not utilising all available satellites, and seemingly also misinterpreting A-GPS info. I find it better if Wi-Fi is switched off for example. I am confident that this will improve with a subsequent firmware update.
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I am afraid it does affect car navigation badly, i.e when car waits on the traffic lights, position just jumps all over the place and causes route to be constantly recalculated. I really hope it could be solved by software patch. Allegedly 1.29.401.11 (not in UK yet) provides some fix for this problem, can anyone confirm?
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why on earth would anyone buy a phone w no SD card slot just to complain about it? It's like buying an Iphone but complain about the 3.5 inch screen. Just to remind you the fact that it has no SD card slot --> unibody --> why it's beautiful --> why people choose it over the S3.
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I am not complaining, just providing feedback. I was aware of the lack of SD card slot before I bought the phone and I decided I can live with it. This however does not change the fact that SD card can be very useful in some cases and removing this feature from One X was IMO bad HTC design decision. While I agree that absense of removable battery is a tradeoff required for solid unibody design, in microSD case HTC could just add another small slot on the side (like the one for microSIM). I think users should be vocal about issues like this, so possibly HTC will think twice when designing the next model.
Regarding sound quality, I played a bit more with various equalizer / DSP / Beats Audio options and I can agree I exaggerated a bit calling it 'terrible'. The quality is actually passable (nothing spectacular though), it might even sound good if you don't do A/B testing with some better kit. The thing that bothers me the most is very high noise floor (I am not used to hear noise in my earphones when there is silence on the music track) and realatively low output power. My old HD2 sounded very dull and harsh out of the box, but after doing EQ tweaks in Poweramp it was IMO great (for a phone), no noise at all either. One X sounds initially better without tweaks, but EQ does not help that much. The sound is somehow muffled / lacking details though. BTW: In my case the noise in quesiton is only heard on sensitive IEMs. I don't have this problem when using regular headphones.
I think the headphone output is superb personally, especially on my Sony DJ headphones. Better quality than my iPod anyway.
Completely disagree about the battery though, I've bearly used my phone today and I'm on 80% already. I'm scared to use my phone in case the battery goes flat
I think the camera is pretty good, in the right light it can take some great pics. Took some amazing shots when I went to Tunisia
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Doogee is a relatively new Chinese company, but has no difficulty with introducing innovations onto the mobile phone market through its products. Founded in early 2013, the company is yet to really develop a big fan base, but is quickly gathering attention with its merchandise offering excellent features in its price range. Every year smartphone market presents new models better than the year before for a lower price. This trend is also followed by small companies like Doogee, which has recently come out with its X5 Pro model.
You must be wondering what makes this model so special. Well, it offers amazing features for the price of only $85 – 5.0” display, 64-bit Quad-Core processor, 2GB RAM, 16GB of internal memory, 2 cameras, 2400mAh battery and Android 5.1 Lollipop! You are interested, aren’t you? It’s OK, so am I.
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A well-recognized web site specialized in selling mobile phones, tablet computers and accessories, Pandawill, has provided a sample of the Doogee X5 Pro for testing and writing this review.
Technical specifications:
Processor: 1.0GHz Quad-Core Cortex-A53 (Mediatek MT6735, 64-bit)
Graphics chip: Mali-T720
Display: 5.0“ IPS LCD 1280x720 pixels (sensitive in 2 points simultaneously)
RAM: 2GB
Memory: 16GB ROM (~12GB user available) + microSD slot
Back Camera: 5.0Mpix (interpolated 8.0Mpix), autofocus, LED flash, video [email protected]
Front Camera: 2.0Mpix (interpolated 5.0Mpix)
Battery: 2400mAh (removable)
Connectivity: WiFi 802.11b/g/b, Bluetooth 4.0, microUSB, OTG, GPS with A-GPS
OS: Android 5.1 (Lollipop)
Dimensions: 145 x 82 x 40mm
Network: 2G – 850/900/1800/1900MHz, 3G – WCDMA 850/1900/2100MHz, 4G – FDD-LTE Bands 1/3/7/8/20
Other: Dual SIM, FM Radio
Package contentDoogee X5 along with its accessories comes in a compact box, the design of which is simple, but quite interesting. On the top there is a light-reflecting “X5 Pro” mark, while on the bottom you can see phone’s most important features. On one of the sides of the box, there is a scratch sticker hiding the product authenticity verification code.
Upon opening the box on the side, you can pull out the content of the box – phone, charger, USB cable and short manual. A protective foil is already on the phone, so its new owner doesn’t have to go through the trouble of applying it himself.
The charger is standard, with a generic shape and specifications of 5V 700mA. However, it would surely be better if the manufacturer had provided a charger of at least 1A to shorten the charging period.
The USB cable given with the phone could be used for phone-PC data transfer as well as for charging – it is not limited only to the charging capacity.
The short manual covers the basics of Android OS use, and thus will be useful only to the beginners in the Android world.
The 2400mAh battery is already inside the phone when the buyer gets it, but before he starts using it, he needs to remove the protective foil off of it, as is specified on the box.
The absence of stereo headphones from the package implies that the manufacturer wanted to lower the price as much as possible, which will not bother most of new users, since they will already have headphones of their liking.
AppearanceDoogee X5 Pro has a simple design and the model we received for the purpose of this test is completely black (there is also a black-and-white combination). It is considered to be a phone of average thickness (8.2mm), but you can “feel” it in the hand because of its weight of as much as 130 grams. The battery cover takes most of the phone’s frame, thus in a way protecting it in case of falling on one of its edges.
On the top side of the phone there are connecting ports – a micro USB port (for charging, as well as PC and peripheral devices connection) and a 3.5mm audio connector for headphones.
On the right side there are buttons for sound control and turning the screen on and off. They are very sturdy, well responsive and have a distinguishable click, which makes us think they will endure usage for long period of time.
Microphone and speaker openings are on the bottom side of the phone. As far as sound is concerned, it is very loud and reproduced in satisfactory quality, so the phone can be clearly heard even if it is carried in its own case.
The biggest part of the front side is occupied by a 5.0” display. Even though there was available space for the control buttons to be on the screen itself, the manufacturer decided to place the capacitive buttons (Menu, Home and Back) below the screen. This is a better option for some users, since the entire screen is available at all times, while others will be asking why the buttons aren’t on the screen, since it will additionally make the phone smaller. Unfortunately, capacitive buttons aren’t backlit, which makes them hard to see and use in the dark.
Above the screen you can see the front 2Mpix camera, proximity and light sensors, as well as the speaker opening. In-call sound quality is clear and loud, even in the middle of the sound control bar.
The battery cover is smooth to the touch, but covered in rubber-like plastic in order to prevent slipping and allowing better handling of the phone. Perfectionists will be bothered by the fact that the phone will constantly be covered in finger prints, and so they will have to wipe it with a cloth regularly.
In the upper section of the phone there is a 5Mpix camera, not far from the flash LED. In addition, under that exact spot the Doogee logo is discretely, but clearly visible.
The battery cover is firmly attached to the front of the phone, so we advise careful removal so as not to damage the cover holders, although it is our opinion that they are flexible enough not to break quite so easily.
Upon cover removal you can see the blue 2400mAh battery, above which there are 2 SIM slots (both Micro-SIM sized), as well as the slot for a microSD memory card capacity up to 32GB. In order to access these slots, it is necessary to remove the battery from its setting.
The SIM slots are numbered 1 and 2, but that in no way determines which of the cards will be the primary one, since the user himself can choose which card to use for calling, messaging, surfing the mobile Internet (4G!), etc.
The phone’s surface looks impressive even though this is a budget phone. Yes, there are small traces of plastic injection near microUSB port opening and 3.5mm audio port, but it is barely noticeable and in no way diminishes the beauty of the phone. It is a pity that X5 Pro is missing the notification LED, since it would eliminate the need to turn the screen on in order to check for any missing calls or text messages.
DisplayDoogee X5 Pro comes with IPS 5.0” display with 720p resolution (1280x720 pixels). This makes it a very good choice for a screen of this diagonal, because the pixel density is high enough so that the image is as clear as it can be expected although there are phones with much higher resolution on today’s market. We have secretly feared that colors would seem washed out while the visibility angles would be narrow, but that is not the case at all in X5 Pro. Color intensity is fairly good, whilst image rendition stays the same until viewing in extremely sharp angles. The manufacturer states that the phone comes with Gorilla Glass display protection, but it remains untested in that aspect.
Screen reacts to the touch very well and it’s responsive in 2 points at the same time, that’s enough for most uses, including playing games. The only problem we noticed it’s that it reacts a bit unprecise when fingers are too close to each other, that makes a pinch-to-zoom gesture a bit difficult.
Back lighting can be very intense, which makes the displayed content visible even in direct sun.
SoftwareWhat is interesting is that Doogee X5 Pro comes with Android 5.1 (Lollipop) OS, which means the phone is adorned with both good hardware and optimized software. Software appearance and its functions do not differ excessively from Google source code, although there are certain additional phone setting functions offering further possibilities.
Android 5.1 has finally brought dual SIM native support, so manufacturers have no need to create their own solution to the “problem” of selecting SIM cards in lie with each situation. When a SIM-using app is run (Dialer, Messaging, Hangouts, etc.), notification menu displays the possibility to choose which SIM card will be used at that point. It is also possible to predetermine the use for each card, further simplifying the entire process.
It is possible to turn on certain gestures to facilitate phone use, such as flipping the phone onto the screen in order to silence ringing, answering a call by lifting the phone a bit more quickly, or simply switching to speakerphone and back by bringing the phone closer to the ear.
What is more, the phone has the option of turning on with a double display touch (Double-tap to Wake), sliding down on the screen while turned off in order to quickly run the camera, or writing on the screen to run apps like dialer, Internet browser, Play store, messenger, etc.
The “Visitor mode” solves the problem many have been dealing with since the appearance of mobile phones – denying access to certain parts of the phone. By activating this particular mode, you can hide call lists, SMS messages, pictures and disable modification of main screens on the phone. This is an excellent option to activate before lending your phone to a friend. However, in order to turn this option on and off, you need to enter your PIN.
Similar effect can be achieved by means of “AppLock” app, which does exactly what its name indicates – locks apps, and provides access upon entering the PIN.
Moreover, the proximity sensor also has certain phone management functions. By waving your hand above the sensor, you can scroll pictures, shuffle songs, take photos, change pages in launcher, unlock the phone and answer a call. As to how smart of an idea this is, we will let you decide.
More advanced users will like the built-in option of controlling app permissions (Permission Manager), which means that any app can be simply revoked the permission to dial, send messages, read location, access contacts, use camera, etc.
All in all, Doogee X5 Pro has left a favorable impression as far as OS and additional apps are concerned. Thanks to Android 5.1 OS, animations are beautiful and fluid, transition between apps is fast (for which large RAM memory can be credited, 2GB) and there wasn’t even an instance of unexplainable lag. With basic preinstalled apps installed, only 500MB RAM is occupied, thus leaving a lot of space for installing and multitasking between large numbers of apps.
CameraAs previously stated, Doogee X5 Pro on its back has a 5Mpix camera (interpolated to 8Mpix) with very limited possibilities, while on the front it carries a 2.0Mpix camera for video chats.
The 5Mpix camera has autofocus, LED flash and makes 2560x1920 pixel pictures without interpolation.
Camera sensor possibilities are quite poor. While colors are good in the daylight, it lacks detail even while taking photos with a steady hand. Photos seem good on the screen, but when zoomed to their original size, there is a visible lack of sharpness and “oil-on-canvass” effect. Photos of closer objects are satisfactory in sharpness, but most landscapes make you want to give up the sport. This is quite a shame, since the camera software has interesting options such as automatic photographing by lifting 2 fingers in the shot, automatized following of an object and taking its picture, recording “live” (making a 5-second long video with a photographing effect) and the Face beauty mode, which removes skin imperfections and makes you more pretty (the fare sex loves this option in Samsung phones).
Photo samples:
Battery LifeDoogee X5 Pro comes with a 2400mAh battery, which is enough capacity to allow the phone one-day autonomy with more intensive use. Seeing how the processor is economical and works on lower frequency, battery consumption is moderate. We have measured its autonomy by inserting 2 SIM cards into the phone (one in the 3G/4G mode and the other in the 2G mode) and running synthetic tests, making a few shorter phone calls (about 20 minutes in total), taking pictures outside for about an hour and a half (during which time mobile Internet was active), testing its speed of access to the 4G network, and then surfing the Internet using WiFi connection.
During all that, the screen was on for 4 hours and 30 minutes, while the phone was off the charger for 30 hours! We believe this to be an excellent score considering all this phone’s features.
PerformanceDoogee X5 Pro is based on MediaTek MT6735 64-bit chipset which is increasingly present in lower-middle class models. MT6735 has a Quad-Core processor at 1GHz (988MHz, to be more precise), Mali-T720 graphic chip and 2GB of built-in RAM memory.
The processor is probably intentionally limited to lower frequency instead its maximum (1.3GHz) in order to provide a better battery autonomy, since it has proven to be quite economical and still powerful enough for most users’ needs. Judging by synthetic tests, MT6735 chipset at 1GHz frequency performs in the rank of Snapdragon 400 chipset and its Quad-Core processor, which is an excellent trait considering the price of X5 Pro phone.
It also has built-in USB OTG option, so it is possible to connect USB flash drive or USB mouse or keyboard directly to the phone using USB OTG adapter.
Obtaining GPS location on this phone is quick and precise, since it easily finds a large number of satellites and connects to most of them in 30 seconds. Therefore, it can definitely be used as GPS navigation with matching navigation software.
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ConclusionDoogee X5 Pro is a smart phone which has suddenly appeared on the market and attracted a lot of attention with its surreal hardware for a good price. Its IPS display with wide visibility angles and quality rendition will allow undisturbed use in all conditions, while its work speed will satisfy all less and moderately demanding users. If you want an affordable smartphone and you can look past a few smaller cons, there is no reason to be apprehensive – you should definitely take the X5 Pro model into consideration as best buy in the lower price range!
Pros:
Good quality display
Fast response
4G LTE support
Powerful speaker
Cons:
No notification LED
Capacitive buttons unlit
No gyroscope and g-sensor
Once more, big thanks to Pandawill for providing a sample device for testing.
Author: Stevan Stevanović
DOOGEE X5 Pro Smartphone Unboxing & Hands-on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbfOhhMnCoM
Great review, thanks.
Could it be possible to overclock the CPU to 1.3 GHz when the device is rooted?
I saw one review (here) that had an Antutu benchmark of around 30000. It is an early review (August 30th), so perhaps it was an early demo phone that was clocked higher?
You're welcome.
I think it can't be overclocked. Not with the stock kernel, anyway. To phone runs cool, even with the maximum CPU load (about 30C), so I do think the CPU has potential to withstand OC to ~1.2GHz, but there isn't a way at the moment.
As I detailed in this now closed thread, I am unable to get this phone to operate at anything faster than 2G network speeds. The specs of this phone would appear to keep it out of the 4G (or even 3G) range for AT&T in the USA, and indeed, most every other USA carrier I'm aware of. Such a sadness because this is really a nice phone at such a good price.
Excellent phone
Ive had this phone for about 3 weeks now.
Its an awesome phone for the money.
Im not a fan of how branded companies charge huge profit margins like HTC and samsung.
This phone has all I need.
It has 3G and 4G LTE which work great in my country (New Zealand).
In fact the antenna is very strong compared to my old samsung.
The camera is fine for me at 5MP, the autofocus works well and ive been able to take some really nice pics, better than the ones in the review above. Closeups are excellent. If you hold down the shutter button you get something like 6 to 7 shots per second which are then saved as a progression of pics that are then viewable in gallery as a kind of gif animation with each frame been able to be used as a photo. Theres tons of features built in. I really like that no tweaking is needed out of the box.
I installed Hola launcher as I just like its style, its faster than stock launcher and organizes apps into easy folders and it has built in weather and intuitive interface that works really well with this phone.
Ive always bought phones with hardware buttons. I cant stand phones with on screen buttons. It just takes away from everything.
So much nicer having real buttons.
Im happy there is no notification LED. This used to annoy me on my samsung and my smart 4 especially at night time I dont like any flashing LEDS in my room when im sleeping.
Double tap to wake up is nice and also useful when i have it on my car bracket.
Only cons so far are that OTG doesnt seem to work currently. Im guessing the phone needs to be rooted to use that feature and as others have noted there doesnt appear to be an easy root method as yet.
its a shame it doesnt have gyro because my google cardboard isnt much use, but i guess i can still watch 3d movies with it.
Hey.. good news.. looks like KIngroot have updated their app because I just opened kingroot and it says 92 requests received and a strategy is been worked out, which is better than last week. I will try to root manually anyway today. Id really like OTG access.
awakekiwi said:
Only cons so far are that OTG doesnt seem to work currently. Im guessing the phone needs to be rooted to use that feature and as others have noted there doesnt appear to be an easy root method as yet.
its a shame it doesnt have gyro because my google cardboard isnt much use, but i guess i can still watch 3d movies with it.
Hey.. good news.. looks like KIngroot have updated their app because I just opened kingroot and it says 92 requests received and a strategy is been worked out, which is better than last week. I will try to root manually anyway today. Id really like OTG access.
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OTG works fine for me. I'm just using a bog-standard OTG adapter and a FAT32-formatted USB thumbdrive.
I'm still looking forward to a working root though.
Tonto87 said:
OTG works fine for me. I'm just using a bog-standard OTG adapter and a FAT32-formatted USB thumbdrive.
I'm still looking forward to a working root though.
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Ok maybe my home made OTG cable is the problem.. i just used my data cable with a female to female adaptor on the end.. mayb e that doesnt actually work?
[FIXED] used a correct OTG cable and its all working great! no need to root this phone for any reason now!
I don't know why the rooting thread has been locked, but rooting and installing TWRP is really easy:
Follow this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63173937&postcount=9
Download TWRP here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63232390&postcount=26
Flash TWRP recovery (step 3 onwards): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63263496&postcount=39
I used Rashr to flash TWRP recovery.
Woof
Doesn't work if you have already updated via wireless update.
Phone won't accept the update.zip I you've updated already.
Only via factory reset first. That's our problem.
I stick with a R5 because of rooting problems above that Version.
Ok
OK good to know.. Don't need root at this stage as otg is working now.. Phones still fast so no major advnatge to root for me at present..
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Doesn't work if you have already updated via wireless update.
Phone won't accept the update.zip I you've updated already.
Only via factory reset first. That's our problem.
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Really?
I'm on DOOGEE-X5pro-Android5.1-R08-2015.10.26 and root worked fine.
I had two updates applied from when I received my phone.
Good news, did you had to root again after update?
I rooted for the first time after applying all the updates. Only recently made sense of the rooting thread! Don't know if it'll create problems if there's another update, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
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ok thanks maybe i will try again...
Tonto87 said:
I rooted for the first time after applying all the updates. Only recently made sense of the rooting thread! Don't know if it'll create problems if there's another update, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
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How did you do to root?
I have R08-2015.10.26 but I am unable to root (install supersu)
I followed the procedure of wireless update → select update.zip and click ok. When the phone reboot, it start the install but stops and show "error".
smshare said:
How did you do to root?
I have R08-2015.10.26 but I am unable to root (install supersu)
I followed the procedure of wireless update → select update.zip and click ok. When the phone reboot, it start the install but stops and show "error".
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See the method in a previous post in this thread. I don't know why you get an error. Did you follow the method to the letter and use the SuperSU from the Mega link?
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yepn same problem for me.. used mega link file and it just says error a third of the way through.. seems a common problem for some users...
Tonto87 said:
See the method in a previous post in this thread. I don't know why you get an error. Did you follow the method to the letter and use the SuperSU from the Mega link?
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