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I am so tired of specs right now because the more you know the more you sink in to the mud-hole. Give me something that I can "touch", "see" & "feel" as better.
Eg.
My current 2 of 3 phones:
1. iphone 3g has 412Mhz processor.
2. Pure has 528Mhz processor
3. iphone 3g has 2 Megapixel camera
4. Pure has 5 Megapixel camera
But does it run faster or take better pictures? NO
For picture quality comparison of the 3g vs pure, See here
Note: my 3rd phone is the iphone 3GS.
So F*k the specs.
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Hei, easy tiger
Why do you rant about Pure vs iPhone here? Take it somewhere else ...j/k.
You are right, at the end, it is not the hardware spec, but "user experience".
That is (user experience) what Microsoft currently is trying to bring with their new product, WP7S.
You know, it is a "new" product. It does not even exist yet (purchaseable).
Still a lot of questions unanswered (which you will have some more clues after MIX10).
So, take it easy
Btw, about "that actually works" ... that's really depend on the user, the person who use the device.
Some users want to have full access to the device, OS, hardware, hack this, hack that, fully-super-duper-multitasking, bunch of sensors.
Some users just want to use the phone as it is ... enough with web browser, play youtube, facebook, twitter and email.
Some users just want to use the phone ... you know, for calling someone else
Like my wife, she is using Touch Dual. Why? Because she hates touch phone! Yupe, she hates iPhone, and all "latest" Windows Mobile devices.
She likes to use the phone for ... calling me and her friends, playing Solitaire (that's all) and occasionally using the TomTom 6 for navigation.
My other friend bought HTC Touch Diamond 2 and she does not have any clue. She "asked" why I have to re-charge the battery every afternoon?
I looked into her phone and I saw bunch of apps running in the background: Contact, Fring, ActiveSync, SMS ...
I told her, you must close those! She again asked "Why? Cant they close them self automatically?"
I said "Sometimes, no" ... and I could not continue. I told her husband to put custom ROM ... bla bla (of course they cant do it!).
For my wife, the HTC Touch Dual "does works", big time.
For my friend, the HTC Touch Diamond 2 "does not work" (They are now thinking to switch to iPhone).
Although HTC Touch Dual is way less spec wise!
Since I had a Touch HD and done lots of comparison shots to the iPhone 3G, I am sure the Pure's camera is actually quite a bit better.
The Pure is certainly not faster, though, and definitely less fluid. The MHz count of the Pure's processor is misleading, as it is really quite slow. Plus, Windows Mobile doesn't have nice animations and fluid physics - it has ugly screen redrawing (though it's actually not slower than iPhone OS, but a lot less fluid).
Anyway,
specs do matter. The problem is, you never get to know all the specs. The MHz and Mpixel numbers simply aren't ebough to say whether a processor is fast or a camera chip is good.
There are lots of other factors involved. But they won't tell you the "performace per clock" numbers or the "light sensitivity" and size of the camera sensor.
So, it's not that specs don't matter, it's just that you don't get to know the numbers that actually do matter. What can you do? Well, I know it's hard, but you actually have to inform yourself as much as you can, so that reading spec sheets will give you the knowledge you need before buying a device.
And you have to try for yourself. And I know it's hard, often you don't get the possibility to try a handset without buying it, and reviews usually don't give enough information, especially if you care about "small features" that usually don't get talked about in reviews.
So, keep cool
Specs can be misleading, but only because regular people don't look behind the raw numbers and have no clue about what really counts. But that doesn't mean phone makers should take away the spec sheets... some users do know what really counts, and spec sheets help them a lot to make their desicion.
Actually, they're helpful more often than not, e.g. I know Snapdragon, Cortex and ARMv7 mean "faaaast". Regular people may not know that, but it won't hurt them to read "Snapdragon" on the spec sheet either. Because in the end, they'll always have to try the phones for themselves (or at least try to get enough info from reviews).
How do you think companies can give you something to "touch", "see" & "feel"? Free try&buy devices? Not going to happen. Spec sheets give at least some hints, since there's no better alternative. And if you do your homework, they will be quite helpful
Calm down... nothing to rant about here
Thanks for the warm note my friend.....
I am a spec guy myself, but I feel as if I was cheated/scammed this time, partly because I am not a mobile device person, and definitely was not aware of this crazy MSM and ARM differences. Now I know....ha ha
Now as far as the camera goes, I know quite a bit as I am in it for a few years now, enough to say that megapixels are just the tip of the iceberg. Higher megapixel within the same sensor family is better, but then there are chips that provide better pictures at the same or less megapixels. i.e. CMOS vs. CCD . On top of that, there is the lens and the processing engine to add on to it.
The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that. It takes quite some time for it to find the right white balance under room lighted conditions. The iphone is pretty good/better at that.
The camera software in the Pure is not very good. I will tell you that.
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I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away
seed_al said:
I know. It's quite bad, actually. That's what I hated about my Touch HD. But nevertheless, my HD took much better pictures than the iPhone 3G (in most cases, at least). I'm sure that's also the case with the Pure.
When it comes to cellphone cameras, however, spec sheets are mostly useless.
They never tell you about anything other than the Mpixel number - which of course means nothing (though I wouldn't want to have less than 5).
The camera is very important to me. Reviews are mostly useless, because they never make direct comparisons under the same conditions. I end up buying several phones, comparing the cameras, and then selling them again... crazy, but that's all I can do
The HD2's camera is actually the first smartphone camera I would be satisfied with - if I could make the flash not overexpose everything that's less than 3m away
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Flash overexpose - now if only they would provide TTL flash intensity control. Goodness....
2M vs 5M
My LG-VU actually took much better pictures than the iphone 3G and Pure. The only problem was that you would not realize that until you transferred it to your PC, courtesy of the crappy resistive plasticky screen.
I still have it. Maybe I will use it as a camera only
Cameras... bleh. All smartphone cameras are awful.
But I do have to agree here: Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
Of course, I know the reason for this, but it certainly does make me hope that Microsoft sorts this out with WP7S.
(Though, never, EVER, would I buy anything that supports Apple...)
EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's". Even though I've tried to explain it, the average user just doesn't get it.
Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.
Jaxbot said:
Even though one phone may have a snapdragon processor, and the iPhone may have a 412mhz processor, the iPhone navigates so much faster.
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You won't say that once you gets your hands on a HD2 (with or without custom rom I might add). It's probably the 1st (and last) HTC WinMo 6.5 phone with enough grunt to power thru practically anything. The only reason why an iPhone might feel faster is because it presents you with a flashy animation before actually loading up the app. WM phones don't do this.
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EDIT: Also, I've had lots of people say that my Touch Pro's screen was "less sensitive/accurate than iPod/iPhone's"
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Used to have a Touch HD and preferred resistive touchscreens. Several months with a HD2 changed my mind I do think resistive touchscreens are actually more accurate though, I can touch-type way faster on my HD than I can on the HD2. But that could just be a Wm 6.5 limitation.
Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.
seed_al said:
No way
It's not going to beat a Snapdragon phone.
The iPhone 3G isn't that fast, actually. It's barely faster than the QCOM MSM phones, but of course much more smooth/fluid (and that despite it has 100MHz less).
Smartphone cameras? Yes, they're not good. But I'm not going to buy a dumbphone because of the camera.
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I'm not referring to the speed, I'm referring to the navigatability (and how "fluid" it is).
Of course, I always laugh when I see the animations on someone's iPhone, because it really does make it seem like the app loads faster than it does (Hint to Microsoft?).
chiks19018 said:
Ok. here's the deal. CCD sensors are more noisy and most HTC camera probably use CCD sensor given the noise in low light pictures.
after researching a bit, I found out that the iphone uses CMOS sensors which actually produce a smoother, less noisy picture. No wonder.....my eyes can see the difference.
fyi...Canon uses CMOS sensors across it's line of decent to high end digital cameras, a big reason why it leads the market.
update: i also just found out that the HD2 uses a CMOS sensor too. no wonder u hd2 owners love the picture quality of the hd2.
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Then check again.
CCD was always superior to CMOS and probably will be for a long time(that is why they use it in science).
Almost all mobile phones(there are only few that use CCD - mostly in japan) today use CMOS sensors because they're cheaper.
Basically mobile phones are mostly using 1/3.2" sensors if not smaller and at that size CCD would offer better picture quality and low light sensitivity but would be bigger so the phone would be bigger that is why ODM's are using CMOS sensors.
More expensive CMOS sensors are used in DSLR's but show me just one P&S camera that uses CMOS.
So both HTC(all HTC's) and iphone use CMOS sensors but probably from different manufacturers hence the difference in quality and noise level.
So once and for all. For mobile use CCD would be better but it is bigger and not as cheap as CMOS sensor. In high end DSLR market it is not so clear that is why both CCD and CMOS sensors are used.
I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
Turns out that Canon surprised everyone with its amazing CMOS
technology. Imagine that surprise that its CMOS sensor has a much
better noise performance than any known CCDs. Even Phil Askey said
the image was "silky smooth" - some wondered, "it looks too smooth,
some details must have been removed" but a closer examination found
no evidence.
Link
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chiks19018 said:
I am back to fk the specs....
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haha
chiks19018 said:
I am back to fk the specs....
It appears that at this time, there is no clear defining line between CCD and CMOS. both are very competitive, both offering it's own advantages, strengths and weaknesses.
CMOS is the future
Canon making CMOS for compact cameras
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I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.
I think he reason why they are making the spec's high is because they want everything to touch and feel better. So why f*** the specs? I'm pretty sure that's going to be important. You put a 538mhz proc in a WP7 it's probably not going to want to move.
Wishmaster89 said:
I never said CMOS was worse for DSLR. On the contrary I admitted that today both CMOS and CCD fair well in DSLR's. Considering the size of the sensor low light sensitivity seems to be equal between the two.
What I meant is that for small sizes CCD is best(almost all point&shoot cameras) and mobile phones where unfortunately manufacturers decide to use cheaper CMOS sensors - remember that there are better CMOS used in high end cameras and cheap ones used in mobile phones and PC cameras. Unfortunately we get cheap sensors in our mobile phones.
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chill man, I am not arguing with you, nor I am putting you down. In fact I liked your post. made me do some more research!
The specs that the phone companies provide are like a girl saying she wears DD bra size.
When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size
OMG I just solved the flash exposure issue with a new driver from HTC!!
Wow that feels good! What a great camera phone I have now!!
Sorry, guys, for being OT, but I'm so happy^^
*LOL* ..... Thanks for that! I got a good laugh
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The specs that the phone companies provide are like a girl saying she wears DD bra size.
When you take it off you realize that it was padded on a B size
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I would like to preface this with a couple of items:
1. I have owned these Samsung mobiledevices:
Vibrant
GS 2
GS 3
GN 2
N 10
So it IS fair to say that I have a preference for Samsung devices
2. My unit, mfg date 5/11 ...does not seem to suffer from some of the screen issues that others are having. As for overheating... my GS 3 and GN 2 get blisteringly hot when running 3D intensive games. That, is a reality of mobile gaming... that much computing power in such a small, passively cooled form factor is a recipe for poor heat dissipation. Thus, I do not find the GS 4 to be any different (neither a step back nor an improvement in heat dissipation.)
Those caveats aside, here are my initial impressions:
1. Aesthetically speaking, this is the closest in form to an iPhone that I have perceived a galaxy device to be. Does it bother me...not particularly, but it does give credence to those who bemoan "copy cat" and others who say that the galaxy design ethos is a bit... "tired".
2. Remaining on aesthetics for a moment, which is a very subjective matter....mind you, the GS 4 does not hold a candle to the HTC one. In my opinion, one is a ground-up rethink of mobile design with "form" being a primary emphasis... the other a simple continuation of a design that has met with success in the market. While the GS 4 is not ugly... the HTC One IS stunning. I tip my cap to HTC... (and to some extent sony), and hope that it will push Mobile Divisions to approach future design, with part ruler and part brush.
3. Durability: Now I don't have the stones to just drop my phone; nor has my ownership period been long enough to rebuke anyone else...but the device feels surprisingly sturdy in my hands. Reading some of the comments on the board... and coming from the Brick that is the GN 2 (which survived several falls unscathed), I expected the GS 4 to be a porcelain doll. Frail and fragile to the touch. Not the case. It is clearly lighter than the GS 3 and slimmer as well, but it does not feel like it was done to so at the expense of durability. Now I know that there are plenty of comments and reviews that dispute this... but, in MY hands, some of the initial concern that was raised by all reports has been dispelled. I hope (keyword) that the hairline fractures some have experienced are a mfg anomaly and not a design flaw.
4. Smart gestures: I am one, who truly thinks that this could be a revolution in mobile technology...and I admire what Sammy is trying to accomplish here. But (you knew one was coming), the current implementation just feels not-ready-for-primetime. The gestures do not respond as intended all the time... and sometimes they just flat out don't work. When they do... it is impressive, and is a window in the future of interaction with technology. Given time, I think samsung will iron the kinks out.... I just don't think we will see that on the GS 4.
5. UI: Touchwiz is a love or hate proposition for many... personally, I tend to use some functions and replace others. That being said, whether its smart gesture integration, poor coding or loads of bloatware...sammy dropped the ball here. The UI feels clunky and gimmiky... and lags on hardware that should easily breeze through transitions, screen renders and app launches. You can literally feel the Snapdragon chomping on the bit... being restrained by a poorly designed UI. This to me, was the largest disappointment. Not because I don't think I can fix with kernel and Rom installations... but rather because I was so impressed with how far touchwiz had come on my GN2. This feels like a huge step back... with stutters and judder reminiscent of my Vibrant. For me aesthetics are a luxury... but function is a necessity. Multi-window does feel much smoother in this implementation...so there is that, but still, for shame sammy (don't take 1 step back for every 2 forward). Again, our community will most certainly solve these issues... but it should not exist out of the box for premium hardware.
6. Camera: Very simply, impressive. Will it replace your D9...or any nice DSLR? No. Does it take sharp photos, with a bevy of adjustments, filters and post processing perks? Yes. Can it serve as an everyday shooter? Absolutely. Crisp photos, quick autofocus and no shutter lag make it a joy to snap shots with. Low light performance does lag behind some other phones (notably Nokia and HTC)... but I find this to be the only shortcoming.
7. GPS: It works. Well. I will never....ever.... ever...forget the vibrant debacle. It is the first thing I check on all my TMO samsung devices
8. Display: I left this for last... because, really if you didn't read anything else (TL;DR) then know this: the display ALONE is worth the price of admission. Maybe I have been conditioned as such... but when it comes to mobile devices give me the deep blacks of AMOLED over LCD. Furthermore, sammy had learned a bit from the community, and toned down some of the intrinsic oversaturation. The clarity, rendering and overall visual candy of the 1080x1920 Super AMOLDED is OUTSTANDING. Apple, HTC, LG all make excellent flagship phones... this is reality. No one touches the display technology of Samsung, yet... this is fact. The pixel density allows for the obliteration of any aliasing due to the pentile arrangement. It is jaw-dropping. For those who have gotten a device with screen issues... I wouldn't wait, return it and return it and return it until you get one that is perfect, because it is well worth the hassle.
Conclusion:
Is the Galaxy design, tired and in need of a refresh...probably. Is the HTC One the "prettiest" device on the market... certainly. Did touchwiz initially sour my excitement...definitely. However, those who compare the GS3 to GS4 evolution to the iPhone X to iPhone Xs tract... neither know android nor samsung hardware. Though the design is not a complete or even partial refresh (though I love the way the GS4 feels in my hand as compared to the GS3 and even my GN2) this phone is clearly the next step forward in Samsungs continued mobile presence. The hardware is top notch and only slightly fettered by TW. The display is stunning and the camera and accompanying software a leap forward from both the GN2 and GS3. The continued dedication to sd card expansion and removable batteries should not be underscored.
Perhaps the GN3 or the next GS will feature an aesthetic redesign befitting the hardware inside... and if that is of the utmost importance, than by all means you can wait. Or buy the One, (which in my time with, I did truly enjoy...). But...
If you are eligible for the upgrade... or have some coin kicking around, I can say with all confidence that Galaxy S4 is a top flight device... and quite possibly the best available on the market today.
Nice review Poser. I too have had an GS2, GS3, GN2 and now GS4. I feel you have hit it right on the head. TW is disappointing and the hardware isn't very exciting (except cam). But the device is top notch and Sammy did a good job overall. I came from VZW to Tmobs because of Wifi call/text. Such a great feature!!!
I just got a s4. My old phone was the s3. The phone is great but heres my view on it. It is no different than the s3 except it is faster cpu wise and has a higher res screen. If u had an s3 next to an s4 (like i do) and played around with both of them you would think its the same phone. Some of the features are pointless on the s4. Like air guestures (in my opinion). They are novelties. Why wave my hand 3 inches above the screen to scroll through pictures when i could simply just lower my finger 3 inches and swipe through my pics? All and all it is the fastest phone out and im happy i got it. But if i was goin to keep my s3 though, there wouldnt be much differance.
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As much as some people despise TouchWiz and the Samsung Apps that are preloaded, I actually like using some of the features.
I think, so far, my favorite is the Air Hover where I can preview emails.
Nice op. I had the S3 on Sprint, which was a great device as long as I was on Wifi. So far I have been very happy with the S4 on T Mobile. All the pros as noted above, plus an affordable data plan with excellent coverage for my areas. The wifi calling feature is simply awesome and all carriers should have this technology built in. As far as touchwiz goes, I find it to be functionally quite similar to vanilla android, meaning the basic functions work the same way. For example, adding widgets or adding a shortcut to the dock is done easily (as opposed to how the latest Sense does it). The esthetics are a different matter but are easily altered. Lag is zero with some basic tweaks.
Very well worded essay, Poser. My thanks for addressing aspects of the phone that are important to me (how well the GPS works in particular, which few people seem to comment on). I too hope (and expect) that the reports of screen cracks are an indication of defective samples and not a design flaw. I find it hard to believe that the design would not have been subject to a battery of stress tests.
I spent some time looking at and handling the phone at Best Buy, and I liked how it felt in my hand. That experience makes me dismiss comments about the plastic construction. Seeing the phone up close and personal also showed me just how gorgeous the display is (it truly is eye candy), and thanks for emphasizing this point.
Some additional thoughts:
1. Wifi calling is exceptional when it works flawlessly... I have noticed that it does experience voice dropouts, call answering issues and connecting issues. This was a problem that was present in my S3 GN2 and S4, and does seem to be software propigated (independent of access point).
2. Disabling smart gestures and home key activation of S Voice... SIGNIFICANTLY reduces lag
3. The screen is Amazing. I cant say this enough,
Coming form sgsii
While rebooting, flashing roms, running ANY benchmark, taking video, or browsing the web the phone compared to my SGSII gets way hotter than i would have ever imagined. maybe it is just my phone, however i cant get a stable overclock at all. my MAX stable OC is 1999mhz..... really? that's just a 100mhz overhead from stock........ a 5.2% increase in speed is all i can get.......... in contrast my SGSII i was able to get 300mhz out of it (25% increase in speed) and it would run cooler than this phone on stock.....
however at stock speeds the SGS4 is snappy, lag free, FAST, comfortable to hold, poor battery life, bright screen, alright overall
7 out of 10 is what i give MY phone. as it did meet my personal expectations. I was hoping for 2.2ghz cpu stable 550mhz gpu and then i could see it getting as hot as it is now. i guess i just got a poor OC phone
I'm thinking about shorting the circuit board while it is on, and if that doesn't work, i will hook up usb cable to straight 120VAC wall current and see if it explodes. at least i would get a different phone....
overall disappointed in the phone i got, however the phone itself, like most Samsung products is GREAT!
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While rebooting, flashing roms, running ANY benchmark, taking video, or browsing the web the phone compared to my SGSII gets way hotter than i would have ever imagined. maybe it is just my phone, however i cant get a stable overclock at all. my MAX stable OC is 1999mhz..... really? that's just a 100mhz overhead from stock........ a 5.2% increase in speed is all i can get.......... in contrast my SGSII i was able to get 300mhz out of it (25% increase in speed) and it would run cooler than this phone on stock.....
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Well, IIRC the GS2 only had a dual core CPU clocked around 1.2-1.5GHz, so to be fair you can expect the GS2 to be cooler and more stable since the stock speed is lower and less cores.
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I'm thinking about shorting the circuit board while it is on, and if that doesn't work, i will hook up usb cable to straight 120VAC wall current and see if it explodes. at least i would get a different phone....
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I'd like to see a video of that...
Poser said:
I would like to preface this with a couple of items:
1. I have owned these Samsung mobiledevices:
Vibrant
GS 2
GS 3
GN 2
N 10
So it IS fair to say that I have a preference for Samsung devices
2. My unit, mfg date 5/11 ...does not seem to suffer from some of the screen issues that others are having. As for overheating... my GS 3 and GN 2 get blisteringly hot when running 3D intensive games. That, is a reality of mobile gaming... that much computing power in such a small, passively cooled form factor is a recipe for poor heat dissipation. Thus, I do not find the GS 4 to be any different (neither a step back nor an improvement in heat dissipation.)
Those caveats aside, here are my initial impressions:
1. Aesthetically speaking, this is the closest in form to an iPhone that I have perceived a galaxy device to be. Does it bother me...not particularly, but it does give credence to those who bemoan "copy cat" and others who say that the galaxy design ethos is a bit... "tired".
2. Remaining on aesthetics for a moment, which is a very subjective matter....mind you, the GS 4 does not hold a candle to the HTC one. In my opinion, one is a ground-up rethink of mobile design with "form" being a primary emphasis... the other a simple continuation of a design that has met with success in the market. While the GS 4 is not ugly... the HTC One IS stunning. I tip my cap to HTC... (and to some extent sony), and hope that it will push Mobile Divisions to approach future design, with part ruler and part brush.
3. Durability: Now I don't have the stones to just drop my phone; nor has my ownership period been long enough to rebuke anyone else...but the device feels surprisingly sturdy in my hands. Reading some of the comments on the board... and coming from the Brick that is the GN 2 (which survived several falls unscathed), I expected the GS 4 to be a porcelain doll. Frail and fragile to the touch. Not the case. It is clearly lighter than the GS 3 and slimmer as well, but it does not feel like it was done to so at the expense of durability. Now I know that there are plenty of comments and reviews that dispute this... but, in MY hands, some of the initial concern that was raised by all reports has been dispelled. I hope (keyword) that the hairline fractures some have experienced are a mfg anomaly and not a design flaw.
4. Smart gestures: I am one, who truly thinks that this could be a revolution in mobile technology...and I admire what Sammy is trying to accomplish here. But (you knew one was coming), the current implementation just feels not-ready-for-primetime. The gestures do not respond as intended all the time... and sometimes they just flat out don't work. When they do... it is impressive, and is a window in the future of interaction with technology. Given time, I think samsung will iron the kinks out.... I just don't think we will see that on the GS 4.
5. UI: Touchwiz is a love or hate proposition for many... personally, I tend to use some functions and replace others. That being said, whether its smart gesture integration, poor coding or loads of bloatware...sammy dropped the ball here. The UI feels clunky and gimmiky... and lags on hardware that should easily breeze through transitions, screen renders and app launches. You can literally feel the Snapdragon chomping on the bit... being restrained by a poorly designed UI. This to me, was the largest disappointment. Not because I don't think I can fix with kernel and Rom installations... but rather because I was so impressed with how far touchwiz had come on my GN2. This feels like a huge step back... with stutters and judder reminiscent of my Vibrant. For me aesthetics are a luxury... but function is a necessity. Multi-window does feel much smoother in this implementation...so there is that, but still, for shame sammy (don't take 1 step back for every 2 forward). Again, our community will most certainly solve these issues... but it should not exist out of the box for premium hardware.
6. Camera: Very simply, impressive. Will it replace your D9...or any nice DSLR? No. Does it take sharp photos, with a bevy of adjustments, filters and post processing perks? Yes. Can it serve as an everyday shooter? Absolutely. Crisp photos, quick autofocus and no shutter lag make it a joy to snap shots with. Low light performance does lag behind some other phones (notably Nokia and HTC)... but I find this to be the only shortcoming.
7. GPS: It works. Well. I will never....ever.... ever...forget the vibrant debacle. It is the first thing I check on all my TMO samsung devices
8. Display: I left this for last... because, really if you didn't read anything else (TL;DR) then know this: the display ALONE is worth the price of admission. Maybe I have been conditioned as such... but when it comes to mobile devices give me the deep blacks of AMOLED over LCD. Furthermore, sammy had learned a bit from the community, and toned down some of the intrinsic oversaturation. The clarity, rendering and overall visual candy of the 1080x1920 Super AMOLDED is OUTSTANDING. Apple, HTC, LG all make excellent flagship phones... this is reality. No one touches the display technology of Samsung, yet... this is fact. The pixel density allows for the obliteration of any aliasing due to the pentile arrangement. It is jaw-dropping. For those who have gotten a device with screen issues... I wouldn't wait, return it and return it and return it until you get one that is perfect, because it is well worth the hassle.
Conclusion:
Is the Galaxy design, tired and in need of a refresh...probably. Is the HTC One the "prettiest" device on the market... certainly. Did touchwiz initially sour my excitement...definitely. However, those who compare the GS3 to GS4 evolution to the iPhone X to iPhone Xs tract... neither know android nor samsung hardware. Though the design is not a complete or even partial refresh (though I love the way the GS4 feels in my hand as compared to the GS3 and even my GN2) this phone is clearly the next step forward in Samsungs continued mobile presence. The hardware is top notch and only slightly fettered by TW. The display is stunning and the camera and accompanying software a leap forward from both the GN2 and GS3. The continued dedication to sd card expansion and removable batteries should not be underscored.
Perhaps the GN3 or the next GS will feature an aesthetic redesign befitting the hardware inside... and if that is of the utmost importance, than by all means you can wait. Or buy the One, (which in my time with, I did truly enjoy...). But...
If you are eligible for the upgrade... or have some coin kicking around, I can say with all confidence that Galaxy S4 is a top flight device... and quite possibly the best available on the market today.
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great review OP, thanks!
I am interested to know if the quad HD display was a buying factor for you guys or instead it was a deal breaker? ; Personally for me I find the Lg G3 great (I wanted to buy the G2 last year but there's no sd-card slot and removable battery) but the quadHD display is a deal breaker for me : it eats battery, increase temperature, reduced brightness and performance and you can hardly notice a diff between 1080p and 2k.
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At first it was a huge factor since it was a rare upgrade to 1080p. The 1440p screen was only seemingly noticeable when first viewing it but in hindsight I realize there was no added detail in things like web viewing. Even the extra pixel detail in 2k videos is a bit too squashed to fully realize its clarity. I also bought it for what I thought would be speed, performance and battery life. It really hasn't lived up to anything except its design aesthetic. To me its just my smartphone now and not my top of the line smartphone. I can only hope future Android updates will improve the performance of this phone since it really has some amazing specs and is more than capable of delivering a good user experience.
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At first it was a huge factor since it was a rare upgrade to 1080p. The 1440p screen was only seemingly noticeable when first viewing it but in hindsight I realize there was no added detail in things like web viewing. Even the extra pixel detail in 2k videos is a bit too squashed to fully realize its clarity. I also bought it for what I thought would be speed, performance and battery life. It really hasn't lived up to anything except its design aesthetic. To me its just my smartphone now and not my top of the line smartphone. I can only hope future Android updates will improve the performance of this phone since it really has some amazing specs and is more than capable of delivering a good user experience.
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I love the design too but performance looks pretty poor and I don't think updates will fix it... it is limited because of that 2k display, which tbh is just a gimmick.
Note 4 is rumoured to be a 2k display which will use the snapdragon 804 which lead to believe snapdragon 801 is not really meant for 2k display in the first place.
So what phone are you looking to buy? S3 S4 Sony SP G2 or G3
Your recent posts are very interesting!
For me the QHD display wasn't a selling point or a deal breaker for me when considering the G3. The other device I was considering was the Xperia Z2 but I was ultimately put off the Z2 by how insistent Sony was in releasing a replacement every 6 months (and lo and behold, its being announced in a week or so). What I liked the look of about the G3 was the fact it was pretty much the only Android phone left with OIS (something I really appreciated on my HTC One and was crestfallen when they removed it from the M8) and that it had a removable battery in a body that actually looked and felt (surprisingly) premium while having a larger display in a similar sized body to other flagships.
Concerning the display, I don't feel that the 1440p resolution is a bad idea. Whether we like it or not, this is where all mobile devices (flagships atleast) will be heading towards very soon, so to be an early adopter will always have teething problems. I think that the Snapdragon 801 is not the problem here that the performance "issues" people are experiencing are down to the software and restrictions put in place to control heat (which can be disabled but frankly, LG should try and focus on improving in this area and build their phones to a slightly higher standard, I guess this is probably the reason why you can find LG's flagships for 2/3 the price of competitors after a few months, there is evidently some cost cutting going on somewhere). Also coming from the One M7, while its display was fantastic (brilliant whites, spot on colours, great viewing angles), the G3's display is really not that much worse, my observations picking up that its not as bright (but still usable outside) and the whites do look a faint greyer. But the tiny bezels on the G3 are a worth it over those small niggles for me.
As much as I have enjoyed my G3 over the last month and a half, my biggest issue with the G3 is the locked bootloader and LG's reluctance to embrace third party developer practises. Many other OEMs such as Sony, HTC and Motorola now offer bootloader unlock processes for their devices, while LG is being far from transparent regarding the issue with mixed messages coming from various channels of communication. Hopefully with the G3 being a sales success for them, this may get them to reconsider.
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So what phone are you looking to buy? S3 S4 Sony SP G2 or G3
Your recent posts are very interesting!
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still not sure... but it seems most probably i will break the bank and get a s5 although i like the g3 but too many issues
I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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Maybe a lot of G5 maybe returned but I doubt the S7/Edge as they have a lot more advantage over the HTC 10 such like water/dust proofing, fast wireless charging, much better re-sale value, screen quality, potentially a faster and reliable camera to name but a few. The G5 was just a rushed prototype, perhaps they'll get it right next flagship as I like the modular concept.
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I have been on the LG waggon sense the G2 so on day one I went out and got the G5 and was very disappointed with the quality of the device screen quality isn't bad but has terrible light bleed and I also have a ripple in my screen when I press on the center of it this is my second G5 I wanted to like it but it's back to HTC for me my last HTC phone was that M8 sense was always my favorite Android skin I'm hoping this phone lives up to the potential hype so my question is are there anyone out there who will be returning there G5 S7 or S7 Edge to get a HTC 10
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I used jump on demand for lg g5 from s7 edge and now i think i will jump again to htc 10. Only reason i jumped from s7 edge was hifi plus module but it looks like it will take a long time to come to us. In the meantime, the idea of buying module kinda died on me and now i am thinking why should i spend extra 200 bucks for module if htc 10 comes with a great audio? So yes as soon as htc 10 becomes available i am jumping again. I have to say if i have to choose between s7 edge and g5, i will pick s7 edge fast. I regretted jumpimg to g5 and that was the first time i felt regretted while in jump on demand program lol. S7 edge is that good, it has most of things right and i only wished they had an extra good audio. Only the idea of getting module resisted my thought of returning.
Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.
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You are like me lol. I liked the s7 edge probably the best phone i ever used but i want better audio experience too among other things. Also i am addicted to phones that are somewhat unique and i believe htc 10 is one of them haha. Just jump to htc 10, that is what i will do.
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Yea. I figure if I jump to the 10 and don't like it that much I could always jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus being how my jump on demand restarts in June. Then I get 3 more upgrades.
I love Jump on demand. I feel bad for those who couldnt get it in time.
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Sorry you wasted a Jump from the S7E to that poor excuse for a Flagship named the G5.
I actually still have 1 more Jump on Demand left to use before it resets in June. I have the S7E right now bit I've been debating on jumping to the HTC 10. The only reason I'm debating it is because I've always been an HTC fan and i prefer a better audio experience.
What I'm worried about though is the following when compared to my S7E.
1. Inferior display
2. Inferior storage speeds
3. Inferior main camera
4. Smaller battery
5. Smaller display
Why I'm thinking about jumping to the HTC 10:
1. Better audio through speakers and 3.5mm jack.
2. HTC Sense is much better and less bloated than TouchWiz
3. Lower display response time and less input lag
In regards to design/look and feel. I think they are both nice looking phones. The S7E might get the edge due to the curved display. I also like the way the HTC 10 looks. It's a very simple machinist look if that makes any sense.
At the end of the day I am happy with my S7 Edge but am thinking about using a jump on demand for the HTC 10. Please give me some reasons why is should just hold on to the S7E or jump to the HTC 10.
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1. Don't be so quick to judge, I'd wait for Anandtech's full review. So far Joshua hasn't said anything majorly negative about it[1][2]. All I've heard is that it has a reddish tint if you look at it from non-realistic angles. Same applies to AMOLED displays. I'd personally be more concerned about getting a bad AMOLED with blotchy, uneven colors or green tint with the shades of grey..
2. Again, don't be so quick to judge.
Just saying "inferior storage speed" doesn't accurately describe the storage speed differences.They're whole different beasts.
And if you're complaining about the storage speed, then you MUST be talking about it in context of file transfers because I cannot imagine what you could possibly be doing on your phone that would need faster sequential read speed, because that's where the S7/S7E is faster where as the HTC 10 has faster sequential write speeds thanks to the SLC write cache.
Here's Anandtech's storage speed numbers from the HTC 10 battery life/storage speed article[2].
Of course this is just sequential reads and writes, what's important are the random 4K numbers because that's what using the phone is.
Unfortunately AndroBench 3.6 is borked on Android 6 and AndroBench 4 is just not consistent enough. So only sequential numbers for now..
But what we can do is look at previous random 4K read/write speeds.
And then we can guesstimate the random 4K speeds of the iNAND 7232 inside the HTC 10.
The previous version, iNAND 7132 boasted 2800/3300 IOPS for random 4K read/write respectively according to specs. But again, not sure in what circumstances you can get these numbers.
That's MBps = (IOPS * KB IO size) / 1024
(2800*4) / 1024 = 10.9MBps (plausible)
(3300*4) / 1024 = 12.8MBps (uhm, this seems a bit inflated)
iNAND 7132 was eMMC 5.0 where as iNAND 7232 is eMMC 5.1, the reason I mention that is because
This new solution also supports eMMC 5.1 with a command queue to improve random IO read speeds.
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So in theory we should have higher random 4K read speeds on the iNAND 7232 IF your workload has an I/O queue higher than 1. Multitasking would be one of those scenarios.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9019/sandisk-announces-inand-7132-slctlc-hybrid-emmc
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9432/sandisk-announces-inand-7232-emmc-51-128gb-and-slctlc
Actually the LG V10 uses the iNAND 7232, notebookcheck.net has random 4K numbers for it. 30/16MB/s read/write respectively, but I'm not sure of the settings they used with AndroBench 3. So take those numbers with a grain of salt.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/LG-V10-Smartphone-Review.158944.0.html
Also if you find any random 4K read/write speed results of the HTC 10 on internet, like ArsTechnica's, I'd take them with a HUGE grain of salt.
Hunt3rj2 on Reddit a.k.a Joshua Ho from Anandtech said:
I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB. The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests. This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks. It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage. Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing. There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB. I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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Although one argued that
I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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To which I completely agree.
On top of that, your S7 Edge has USB 2.0 which in real life tops around at 40-45MB/s while the HTC 10 has USB 3.1 Gen 1 (=USB 3.0) interface. Which is mind bogglingly fast compared to USB 2.0.
Which means that with the HTC 10 you'll be able to read/write to the phone at pretty much as fast as the storage allows, where as with the S7 Edge you're limited by the USB 2.0 transfer speed.
Aaaaaand inb4 someone mentions "but with 2x2 802.11ac you're going to have 867Mbps...". No. Just no.
You're going to be looking at ~600Mbps of real bandwidth in the best possible scenario with an excellent WiFi implementation (like iPad Pro) which is without anyone else sharing airtime with your device and standing right next to the access point. Add another device or more to the scenario or increase the distance between you and the AP > and you've dropped below USB 2.0 speeds.
Let's also throw in there the fact that HTC is going to allow us to use the Adoptable Storage feature of Android 6 > we can have truck loads of fast storage on the phone, assuming you buy a fast microSD card that is
We don't have confirmation yet but I'm hoping that the HTC 10 would have UHS-II bus interface. The A9 has UHS-I U3 so that's what we'll have at minimum (95/90MB/s cards) but it would be really nice if it would be UHS-II U3.
3. In what ways? Dxomark ranked the camera quite high. Of course it's not perfect but I wouldn't call it "inferior". It's certainly on par from what I've seen and heard.
S7/S7E auto focus speed is of course miles better and ridiculously fast thanks to PDAF but how often will you be shooting photos in perfectly lit conditions where PDAF reigns supreme?
In photos the two are very evenly matched but if video recording is more important to you, that is where the S7 is better, stabilization and noise wise.
Although the audio portion does make the 10 a bit more appealing in the video recording side of things. Stereo recording with noise cancellation is pretty freaking nice, wouldn't you agree?
Of course I would like PDAF for video recording on the HTC 10 because PDAF is freaking awesome but you can't have everything.
4. Pretty much inline with it's size. Sure I would've liked a, say 3200mAh capacity but they would've had to make the device slightly thicker, which I wouldn't mind of course, but in this day and age thinness has been
5. Um. Ok.
[1] http://anandtech.com/show/10238/hands-on-with-the-htc-10
[2] http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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Damn dude. Quite the long response. I didn't say any of these things were definitely going to be worse on the HTC. I just said I was worried about these areas.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the HTC display won't be as good as the S7? The S7 only has the highest rated mobile display.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried the camera won't be as good? The S7 only has the highest rated camera.
Am I not thinking correctly when I say I'm worried that I won't get as good of battery life out of the HTC? I'm only getting 8 hours of SOT with over 30 hours on a single charge.
Good point on the NAND argument by the way.
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That NAND argument is only viable in file transfers, specifically from computer to the phone. I personally dont transfer filesvia wired connection, i just use airdroid and give it time to transfer. But in real world performance, The S7 has much better read speed which equates to better day to day use (app opening times etc...)
I am thinking...unlocked boot loader? If the s7 had unlocked boot loader I would have kept it. But I simply want custom roms and can't have it with the s7. The main feature of the s7 that hooked me was ip68. I mean i can just toss any phone in a zip lock baggie and use it but Still. G5 is out. I am still curious the next nexus devices and the note 6 but honestly I am tired of wielding such large phone single handedly it's getting old. I was smaller phone with huge battery, ip68, stellar audio and decent camera and display. I would choose the 10 over the s7 at this point because of boot loader. If that doesn't matter then s7.
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Battery Life Gets Rave Review
This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.
Screen vs S7 is subjective.
For me the S7 is AMOLED, so is automatically pants, lol.
Having seen the HTC 10, I'd have definitely returned the G5 I had on order, if it had turned up, but the order was delayed to 22nd April - clearly meant to be.
You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.
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This reviewer says battery life could be as high as two days with normal use. He said he got more than a day with heavy use and testing.
http://bgr.com/2016/04/14/htc-10-review/
The screen isn't going to be on par with the S7, but it sounds like the 10 might be the phone many of us were hoping the S7 would be.
I'm on Verizon, and I'll probably jump on this phone if Big Red doesn't screw up the bootloader options.
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There has not been a phone were verizon left the bootloader unlocked. You'll have better luck buying the unlocked version and hoping it works on verizon.
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You guys get a bit to technical for me (no offense whatsoever meant), but am I missing something with the screen? Sure, AMOLED is amazing in bright light situations, however I can't bear the over saturation in colors on AMOLED screens. I also read that AMOLED has a much shorter lifespan in comparison. Maybe I've been away from AMOLED too long, but I never liked them.
With regard to cameras, I shoot a vast majority in low light situations, so Ultrapixel wins all day in that respect.
I'll admit I'm a HTC fan boy, but with the M9 I was so disappointed I went to a LG V10. The sound (phones, not speaker) are very good and the camera IMHO is the best all around on a smartphone. The 10 has me itching to make the jump back to HTC. My only disappointment thus far is that they moved a speaker to the bottom. Everything else seems like a major step forward.
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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.
I bet I could spot burn in on a 7 year old AMOLED phone, unless it's never been turned on.
It's just the display tech, the notification bar will almost certainly be ghosting on a phone that old.
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Damn where do you ppl get these infos from, i have friends using the S1 and it still works with no burning what so ever. That is 7yrs.
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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.
Add me to the club of G5 owners who ditched it. Battery life wasnt good for me. I could never get higher than 4hr sot. I never had bt running or gps either and brightness on 35-40% because auto was always too dim. Device was very fast though. Didnt have build issues but didnt feel like a $600+ phone. Preorded HTC 10 in glacier wooot wooot
Here's one review comparing the 4 major flagships. HTC 10 is #2 and the G5 is last (pretty significantly so).
http://www.stuff.tv/features/smartp...s-vs-htc-10/and-winner-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge
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Burn in is one thing, but degradation is a different animal. Here's one example: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Again, everything is subjective, but for me most important is color reproduction and saturation, which AMOLED quite frankly sucks at. I remember on my older Notes and S phones, half the pictures I took of family, skin displayed as orange on the phone, but accurate tones on my laptop or LCD/LED displays.
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Well even that is no problem, they stil look pretty good, no problems whatsoever. AMOLED is the most color acxcurate display on the market if you use Photo mode in the settings
I am not sure if it will be a good buy and for how much? Still confused at the right price to pay for it. Any help, I just love the dark blue color...
@LineArc I checked from sources, Price may vary in between 160-200 USD, For Now the device is OUT OF STOCK
an Elephone P9000 user here. in term of hardware vs selling price, no doubt it is value for $$. but this Elephone company couldnt get the hardware works. great hardware with S*h*i*t software/rom. i will say this is my 1st and last Elephone product. Better look at other cheap china brands like MI or Oppo.
From a person that has a dark blue on his hands, I've got to say it is a very unique piece of hardware. I really like the way it feels on the hand, and even with a bigger screen than my old IUNI U2 4.7'' I have a much more confortable touch with it.
Also, the amazing tickness of it make him a wonderfully attractive phone.
Now, regarding hardware,
Camera 13MP could be better, but that would involve a bigger one. This one takes good quality pictures with a very good flash. Single one, but very powerfull.
The CPU is very good. You can see in most of site reviews everyone complaining about the bad deca-core because the 2 high speed cpu shutdown when it get's to acertain CPU threshold.
In my oppinion, that if great.
I use it heavily with all sort of app's, and I just feel it a little warm, nothing more. More, I don't even feel a difference on the speed, because it performs amazingly smooth.
Comparing to other mobiles, that are indeed very fast (2.4GHz+) where you can't even touch the mobile because it's very hot.
Please note that I have this mobile for only a couple of weeks, but as a heavy user, I test it the most of my capabilities, and till now I rather preffer it over many available phones.
One last note, regarding the software problems that @ckleon said, can you please be more specific, so that I can also check them in mine?
lotryf said:
From a person that has a dark blue on his hands, I've got to say it is a very unique piece of hardware. I really like the way it feels on the hand, and even with a bigger screen than my old IUNI U2 4.7'' I have a much more confortable touch with it.
Also, the amazing tickness of it make him a wonderfully attractive phone.
Now, regarding hardware,
Camera 13MP could be better, but that would involve a bigger one. This one takes good quality pictures with a very good flash. Single one, but very powerfull.
The CPU is very good. You can see in most of site reviews everyone complaining about the bad deca-core because the 2 high speed cpu shutdown when it get's to acertain CPU threshold.
In my oppinion, that if great.
I use it heavily with all sort of app's, and I just feel it a little warm, nothing more. More, I don't even feel a difference on the speed, because it performs amazingly smooth.
Comparing to other mobiles, that are indeed very fast (2.4GHz+) where you can't even touch the mobile because it's very hot.
Please note that I have this mobile for only a couple of weeks, but as a heavy user, I test it the most of my capabilities, and till now I rather preffer it over many available phones.
One last note, regarding the software problems that @ckleon said, can you please be more specific, so that I can also check them in mine?
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I can confirm this. Got mine yesterday.
The ONLY negative points are: touchscreen-sensor is a little too weak and the brightness could be brighter Maybe in future we get new roms which could soulve this problem! LineageOS would be perfect imo.