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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy S7, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy S7 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Perfect smartphone, for me!

After a weeks use.. Battery is great, display is great, and it feels much better in hand than the S6..

All we need is root and my life is complete

boimarc89 said:
All we need is root and my life is complete
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This is first time when I don't need root. Everything works well. Annoyng sound while booting is away, sound when charging could be turned off.
Applications data can be restored wth Helium, Package Disabler can stop bloatware.
Only ads in applications are remaining but I can live with it.

libb said:
This is first time when I don't need root. Everything works well. Annoyng sound while booting is away, sound when charging could be turned off.
Applications data can be restored wth Helium, Package Disabler can stop bloatware.
Only ads in applications are remaining but I can live with it.
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What about camera sounds? They are quite annoying to me.

daemmon said:
What about camera sounds? They are quite annoying to me.
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Mute System volume. I made a rule in Tasker for that. No Camera sounds.
I know, it is more work than one switch in the application with root but it isn't worth to lose warranty. Only one thing I cannot fix without root are ads. But I have only one game with ads and I can live with them.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that root/knox tripping doesn't affect warranty inside the EU.

daemmon said:
What about camera sounds? They are quite annoying to me.
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Are you talking about shutter sound? Just go into the camera settings and turn it off.

So far I like it, feels much lighter than my Note 3 and is considerably faster in everything it does. Using Package Disabler to slowly disable the ton of junk on there, the DirecTV thing keeps popping up which is getting old real quick especially as I have disabled it twice now.

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I am really impressed with the fluidity of these Sammy animations. SD card is a *****, tho.

This phone absolutely ROCKS!!!
I have the Gold AT&T S7 w/ the free 64 GB sdcard from BestBuy... and free Gear VR.
This phone is sooo much faster than my S6 Edge was. It's better in every way.
The fingerprint button CRUSHES my S6 Edge in speed... wow.
The screen is AMAZING... can't believe it's better than the S6, but it is... brighter, crisp, vivid colors.
I like the improved trimmed-down Touchwiz.
My battery life is PHENOMENAL... no comparison to S6 Edge.
I swear to you these superlatives are not exaggerations... it really is that good.
I've been developing an app and testing it daily on the S6 Edge for the better part of a year. I've owned the HTC One M7 and M8 and developed on those -- rooted 'em, custom kernels, etc, and various iPhones 3-5.
The S7 is the King of Android phones, as far as I'm concerned. I won't even try to compare it to the iPhone .
It's fast as hell... and doesn't get hot like my S6 Edge did.
So yeah, it completely rocks in pretty much every way... works well with my Huawei Watch, bluetooth paired with my Model S no problem... Wifi works great, LTE great... call quality great.
I would have preferred it to have kept the IR blaster, and if it was lighter it would be nice, but those are pretty minor quibbles... sure unlocked boot loader, etc. would be nice, but heck, simply developing for Android takes enough time let alone hacking the phone itself, so I don't really miss not being able to root, but anyway.
Overall it simply blows my mind.
Smartphone Nirvana. Not kidding.

Very happy with the phone so far.
Gear VR is rly fun too.

jmilacek said:
Are you talking about shutter sound? Just go into the camera settings and turn it off.
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There is no such setting on my camera app. Neither did I have one on previous Galaxy phones. I'm quite sure there's a European law that states that camera must have mandatory shutter sounds.

overall the phone is good but battery life is not so great sure it will be fixed in the future updates
I own the SM-G930F

libb said:
Only ads in applications are remaining but I can live with it.
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Try AdGuard for Android. Been using this on my S6 for 4 months now..After 1 month trial you have to pay like 9 bucks for a year , for me totally worth it!

hello maybe some can help me disable device security form smart manager.....if there is a way..... ( i don't want it

daemmon said:
There is no such setting on my camera app. Neither did I have one on previous Galaxy phones. I'm quite sure there's a European law that states that camera must have mandatory shutter sounds.
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for the camera shutter sound, if cannot be disabled from settings (for eu regulations), there is a small apk called "Enforced Stream Silencer" that does the job (at least in android 4 and 5, I suppose also in 6 but I have not tested). Easy to find with google, I used since many years in S3 and S5 and works fine

Call me fanboy or anything. But this one is near perfection.
On star discount by bloatwarez from Samsung, Google, Microsoft, and Facebook.

So I finally gave up on this phone.

Got this phone almost 2 years back and waiting ever since for a proper root. I can't believe this phone didn't get an unlocked bootloader inspite of all the efforts and bounties. At&t is really stubborn it seems. Never going to buy an at&t device. New things now. Sold the Note 4 for around 220$ here in India ( 15,000 INR )
And got the oneplus 3. Never thought I'd move from Samsung to oneplus but I've gotta admit it's a splendid phone. Amazingly fast. Got a display brighter than note 4 ( surprisingly ) Even the fingerprint scanner is so much faster than the Note 4. And best part I just had to put 120$ more for it. You know the best part? The oneplus 3 bootloader is unlockable and can be rooted on DAY 1 itself.
So adios to the Note 4 community. Until next time.

You gave up because of root? Why do you need it so much? Marshmallow isnt even a big update on any phone. Also one plus 3 has no sd card slot,lower screen res, crappy camera...you gave that up just because there is no root?

jerses said:
You gave up because of root? Why do you need it so much? Marshmallow isnt even a big update on any phone. Also one plus 3 has no sd card slot,lower screen res, crappy camera...you gave that up just because there is no root?
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I mean to be honest here the oneplus 3 has 16mp camera and as a Note 4 owner the Note 4 definitely sufferers camera quality in low lighting.
As for the 1080p screen a lot people give oneplus a hard time. Honestly it was a great decision for them because is uses less graphic performance which means it can load a game faster than it would on a 2k screen and it's not much of a difference. They still both look beautiful!
Oneplus comes with 64gb of memory and come factory unlocked and the bootloader is unlocked and Oxygen OS is better than Stock Android. People will make custom roms and it will see an AOSP rom of Android N and root way before its even thought of coming to the Note 4.
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I still don't understand how people use Android without root! Why do they use Android without root! I mean there are plenty things you are missing, but first thing, how you are going to install AdAway without root? Do you like a phone with lots of ads? That's like cancer for a phone!
I completely understand OP's frustration, though I don't understand why he couldn't root, he seems India, and G version could be rooted, but whatever. I sold my i9500 just because there was no custom kernel for it, sorry no offence, but Android is meaningless without XDA support, I mean at least to me. But there will always be people who just install different apps and be happy with it and think that's great and achieving something
In any case its great to know that he is liking the OP3. You won't believe it I myself have read full reviews of GSMA and PA, and watched at least five or six Youtube review videos, just because I liked the phone. But the display of the phone seems pure garbage, seriously no sRGB, over 8000K temp? Hmm! Probably could be fixed over OTA, but still! The camera is bound to be better than Note 4, cause its a flagship phone from OnePlus which is released in 2016 in comparisons with a flagship phone which was released two years ago! And basically any OS close to stock Android bound to be better than TouchWiz I think, I am just so tired of it. However, after looking at the whole package, it feels like a different phone from a different league. My main sadness is even after looking at every possible company I could, I couldn't find a phone which suits my needs, darn!

Sold my wife's AT&T note 4 variant yesterday and we couldn't be happier with our new Tmo variant.. Screw you AT&T, never again! We can actually say we own this phone; in it's entirety. Should be illegal to sell locked down phones. You have stolen precious usage time from us and we will wait no more.. Bite me AT&T.. Root.. blah.. blah.. Viper4Android.. blah.. blah.. Ha! Ha! Ha! ( maniacal laugh).. Screw you!!!! (Mic drop)

In my opinion rooting a phone is a huge security risk. If someone gets a hold of your phone with an unlocked boatloader, they can get anything off the phone.
People write news stories and ads pay for those news stories. People write apps and ads pay for their time writing the app. If you block all ads, you are saying, you want everything for free, which is a little selfish, in my opinion. I don't think it is ethical to block all ads.
That said, some apps and sites' ads have gotten out of control, I uninstall nagging apps. I use samsung browser with the plugin to block some ads, but not all.
No root required.
My only need for root is to block some apps from getting excessive personal information which they have no right to anyway. But that is coming in marshmallow...
So... No need for root.

I lost my Att Note4 last Sunday and bought the N910T (Tmobile Variant) this week. I over payed for it ($200) the spen was missing but I knew it was genuine so I figured I'd pay to replace that and after getting home in the dark setting it up I noticed very very light screen burn in which is killing me now that I know that it's there. But I now have root. Running Dr. Ketan S7E/Note5 rom 6.0.1. Waiting on my Spen to get here next week.

To all those above
1) The camera quality is good. Not as good as Samsung's flagship s7 but it's pretty decent
2) You might be surprised after reading this just like I was but the op3's 1080p display beats the Note 4's 2k display. Its brighter, has vibrant colours. Just that 2k is a bit sharper. Nothing that u can notice. But overall the op3 display beat the Note 4. Compared with 3 note 4s. Also compared with s7 edge but yeah here the op3 display wasn't as good. But hey that's manageable for half the price.
3) I didn't give away the Note 4 only due to no root availability, but also coz SD 805 was getting old, and slow. You can't imagine how amazingly quick the op3 is. Especially the fingerprint hahaha seems like I've come from the 1990s in the Note 4 to this wonderful fast finger scanner on the op3. Everything. I repeat , everything is better on the op3 than the note 4
The processor
The smooth OS
The root availability ofcourse
The display ( surprisingly )
The design
The fingerprint scanner
The camera
And all this is after personal usage and comparisons
But yeah I miss expandable storage but 64gb is enough for me.
Hence. Its a win win situation for me
Plus you guys really don't know how important root is for an Android phone.

Shanghai.Knight said:
In my opinion rooting a phone is a huge security risk. If someone gets a hold of your phone with an unlocked boatloader, they can get anything off the phone.
People write news stories and ads pay for those news stories. People write apps and ads pay for their time writing the app. If you block all ads, you are saying, you want everything for free, which is a little selfish, in my opinion. I don't think it is ethical to block all ads.
That said, some apps and sites' ads have gotten out of control, I uninstall nagging apps. I use samsung browser with the plugin to block some ads, but not all.
No root required.
My only need for root is to block some apps from getting excessive personal information which they have no right to anyway. But that is coming in marshmallow...
So... No need for root.
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If anyone tries to misuse your phone u can root before hand and set up android lost as a system app.

The battery life too on the op3 is brilliant due to the light OS
I get 5.5 - 6 hours of SOT everyday.

jerses said:
You gave up because of root? Why do you need it so much? Marshmallow isnt even a big update on any phone. Also one plus 3 has no sd card slot,lower screen res, crappy camera...you gave that up just because there is no root?
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I did after the first week of owning it when it came out. It's been sitting in its box unused ever since I couldn't remove the bloatware and prevent apps I want to use from accessing permissions they don't need (read: can't install Xprivacy)

EkriirkE said:
I did after the first week of owning it when it came out. It's been sitting in its box unused ever since I couldn't remove the bloatware and prevent apps I want to use from accessing permissions they don't need (read: can't install Xprivacy)
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Not to tell you how to waste your money....
But you purchased a high end phone when it first came out (~$800) and have let it depreciate (worth about ~$200 now) without any use since because of root?

sodomanaz said:
Not to tell you how to waste your money....
But you purchased a high end phone when it first came out (~$800) and have let it depreciate (worth about ~$200 now) without any use since because of root?
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It was a gift. and yes. I should have sold it, absolutely, but I was hopeful.

Making the switch myself now. Was going to go note 7 but after hearing airlines are/will be banning its use and continued problems I decided to get an inbetweener in the oneplus 3.
The random restarts were just too much. I tried trouble shooting if it was an app and came up empty. The annoyance of having to use a password to simply see the time and current activities (calls,messages, etc ) when I wake was just too much. I would have given this phone a few more months but marshmallow update has made this useless for my work.
I could live without root but this last month has been far too annoying to deal with especially since I need constant contact with business, sleep or not.

Question to current pixel xl owners? Looking for advice (replacing note 7)?

Dear XDA,
So for deciding on which phone I want to get to replace my note 7, i decided to do a bit of research, here is some background:
So my device history is as followed: Acer Liquid --> Galaxy Nexus --> Galaxy Note 3 --> Galaxy Note 7.
My usage is as followed:
-Used the phone for calling,texting,social media, etc.
-Media consumption using a 1440p screen for youtube, netflix, and some native HDR contant, music using lossless files with poweramp and music streaming with spotify
-Heavy 3D games, emulators, and pokemon Go, etc.
-Using hpc applications, loading compute payloads using otg, gnuroot to run workstation applications (programming, scripts, sensor data, machine vision, etc.); Use for on the go work but mostly a side/independant work
-Using drafting application on native andriod and linux (part of the previous point)
-Used fingerprint and iris scanner, SD card encryption, phone encryption during start up, secure folder, etc.
-Used all samsung features
-Listen to music using a 3.5mm jack at home and bt headphones on the go/gym
-Taking pictures, videos, using slow mo (editing them to)
-etc.
So, to summarize : I love media consumption and media capture with the phone, I use every feature my Note 7 has and I would love to use newer features to. Battery life should be well and I love expandable storage. I use my phone for emulators, Pokemon Go, other high graphic (for a phone that is) game, spotify, data storage and transfer (for my work files and such), and I do use some "High Performance" application on the phone such as Autocad, Matlab , gnuroot Debian and other analysis software and even computing by uploading payloads via usb otg (as a hobby and sometimes to complete work on the go). I also love using root access (but if I can get most root features without rooting the phone it be great). With all that, I also use the phone like any other person such as for social media, phone calls (omg I know ), test messaging etc.
For the future: I would use Android wear/samsung gear s3, wireless charging, etc.
So currently on my note 7 I am getting a sot of 5h and 54 min (so ~6hrs on my nerfed battery, this was at 3% left) Link: https://imgur.com/gallery/bfYCO
And my Antutu score is 141851 Link: http://imgur.com/wMPXRAK
So my questions for you Pixel XL owners (and for people that went to pixel xl from the N7): How is the SOT? Can I get 6 hours easily with heavy use? How is standby time? How is its raw performance for my special use case? Hows benchmarks (i did try to run antutu on a retail model at got about 139000)? Also is the usb-c a 3.0 or 2.0? Transfer speed and communication via usb matter for faster otg workloads so thats why I asked, i believe my note 3 was a 3.0 and the note 7 was a 3.0? how is the camera really? How are low light shots compared to N7? Also is Display Port over type-c possible on the pixel xl?

Bumpidy bump bump?
Ps. Does the pixel lack usb host? I use that :/

usb host - yes
usb 3.0 - yes
SOT - should be no problem coming from the note, battery life on the XL at least is fantastic
Camera - I like the pixel camera every bit as much as the one on the note, probably more. Low light is fine once you get the hang of it. Any sort of case does cause issue with refractions from the flash, if you have flash on.

I can't give you hard numbers but without a doubt this is the best SOT I've ever had. Coupled with the fastest charging I've ever seen I don't think there is a better battery life phone at this performance level out there.
Def does better than the Note 7 so if that worked for you, don't hesitate.

Display over c is not yet confirmed but i doubt it. They may lean on chromecast wireless. I dont know how you are power using a samsung device because you have no root! This phone is a must for power users. Not to mention there are hardly any manufactures allowing for an unlockable bootloader, with the google lineup being the last of them at this point not looking at some phones international models.
Not to mention I have yet to see a phone match the camera quality of the lg (g4,g5,v10,v20) lineup, the manual shooting on those phones are GODLIKE. So if you havent maybe give the v20 a look but again its bootloader is going to be locked

juliend said:
usb host - yes
usb 3.0 - yes
SOT - should be no problem coming from the note, battery life on the XL at least is fantastic
Camera - I like the pixel camera every bit as much as the one on the note, probably more. Low light is fine once you get the hang of it. Any sort of case does cause issue with refractions from the flash, if you have flash on.
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Okay!! Most sites say the pixel lacks usb host mode (different from otg). Also so the whole halo effect is due to flash?
mrRobinson said:
I can't give you hard numbers but without a doubt this is the best SOT I've ever had. Coupled with the fastest charging I've ever seen I don't think there is a better battery life phone at this performance level out there.
Def does better than the Note 7 so if that worked for you, don't hesitate.
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Nice, I was worried because of lower capacity.
xTristinx said:
Display over c is not yet confirmed but i doubt it. They may lean on chromecast wireless. I dont know how you are power using a samsung device because you have no root! This phone is a must for power users. Not to mention there are hardly any manufactures allowing for an unlockable bootloader, with the google lineup being the last of them at this point not looking at some phones international models.
Not to mention I have yet to see a phone match the camera quality of the lg (g4,g5,v10,v20) lineup, the manual shooting on those phones are GODLIKE. So if you havent maybe give the v20 a look but again its bootloader is going to be locked
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I did look at the V20, the non amoled coupled with lense cracking and it falling behind in speed test really disappointed me. Oh and the v20 lacks usb host to, I use usb host for usb devices such as external sensors and for usb amps. Also I usually root after my warranty is done, and most of my apps dont require root, even for gnuroot (despite its name )

I stand corrected, seems the pixel does have usb host mode, please ignore that.

So I am actually considering the pixel over the s7 edge. Guys anything I should keep in mind or expect? My pure android (i.e. Google) experience are from my galaxy nexus and nexus .

EternalSeekerX said:
So I am actually considering the pixel over the s7 edge. Guys anything I should keep in mind or expect? My pure android (i.e. Google) experience are from my galaxy nexus and nexus .
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I will say that my first days into Android I loved the HTC skins, and always hated pure vanilla android. Always ran roms that were based off stock skins vs vanilla Android. That started to change when I got a Samsung S4. As Android progressed I found manufacturers custom stuff was more gimmicks than actually useful. Nexus device and now pixel XL I won't do anything except android straight from Google. You will appreciate it. And I'm really digging Google Assistant. Battery life is good, radio is far better than the nexus or the S7(my wife has an s7). If your are looking at the S7 edge than definitely going with the Pixel XL for comparison.

Can't give you numbers. Sorry. My device history is close, but I started with an EVO. I've had two note 7's and a 7Edge in the last 5 weeks. Now the pixel Xl. I love it!!! I rooted, years ago, for battery life primarily, and this phones battery life smokes them all.
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The only thing I couldn't deal with that I thought I could, coming from the Note 7 to Pixel XL was the rear fingerprint reader. I don't keep my phone in my hand or pocket much. It's usually sitting on my desk being used as a music streaming device, so I need to get to the screen many times a day to check notifications, change songs, etc.... I am connected to our corporate email server which forces a security policy that forces lockscreen settings and such that I can't change. Having to enter a 5 digit code to unlock the device many times a day got really old after a week.... or having to pick the darn thing up over and over just to flip it over to use the print scanner and back over to use it.... There's no way I can deal with that for 2 years so I returned it and am currently ordering the S7 Edge. It will hold me over until the Note 8.
Everything else about the Pixel XL was fantastic. I gave it a week, I loved it at first, day after day that dang fingerprint scanner annoyed me.... it got to where I was using one hand to tilt it over at a 45 degree angle and sticking my finger under it to unlock it.... and then lay it back down. Completely ridiculous that this, or a 5 digit unlock code, or picking it up are my only options. With my Note 7 I could simply press the home button with my finger and it read it at the same time. Boom. Unlocked and ready to use without even looking at it.... that one simple functional detail made all the difference for me.
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I will say that my first days into Android I loved the HTC skins, and always hated pure vanilla android. Always ran roms that were based off stock skins vs vanilla Android. That started to change when I got a Samsung S4. As Android progressed I found manufacturers custom stuff was more gimmicks than actually useful. Nexus device and now pixel XL I won't do anything except android straight from Google. You will appreciate it. And I'm really digging Google Assistant. Battery life is good, radio is far better than the nexus or the S7(my wife has an s7). If your are looking at the S7 edge than definitely going with the Pixel XL for comparison.
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Well between your wife S7 and the pixel, what differences are standing out in terms of software features? I mean touchwiz isnt bad but, enh.
RascalDoc said:
Can't give you numbers. Sorry. My device history is close, but I started with an EVO. I've had two note 7's and a 7Edge in the last 5 weeks. Now the pixel Xl. I love it!!! I rooted, years ago, for battery life primarily, and this phones battery life smokes them all.
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Well between the N7/S7E and the pixel, what things have improved? Whats your use case? Is it similar to mine? Its a plus to be able to root but I usually root at the end of the product cycle, most of my apps play nice with Android and don't need root while still supplying performance.
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The only thing I couldn't deal with that I thought I could, coming from the Note 7 to Pixel XL was the rear fingerprint reader. I don't keep my phone in my hand or pocket much. It's usually sitting on my desk being used as a music streaming device, so I need to get to the screen many times a day to check notifications, change songs, etc.... I am connected to our corporate email server which forces a security policy that forces lockscreen settings and such that I can't change. Having to enter a 5 digit code to unlock the device many times a day got really old after a week.... or having to pick the darn thing up over and over just to flip it over to use the print scanner and back over to use it.... There's no way I can deal with that for 2 years so I returned it and am currently ordering the S7 Edge. It will hold me over until the Note 8.
Everything else about the Pixel XL was fantastic. I gave it a week, I loved it at first, day after day that dang fingerprint scanner annoyed me.... it got to where I was using one hand to tilt it over at a 45 degree angle and sticking my finger under it to unlock it.... and then lay it back down. Completely ridiculous that this, or a 5 digit unlock code, or picking it up are my only options. With my Note 7 I could simply press the home button with my finger and it read it at the same time. Boom. Unlocked and ready to use without even looking at it.... that one simple functional detail made all the difference for me.
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Between the Pixel XL and the S7 edge baring the finger print scanner location, hows performance?
Also I have two more questions for anyone:
-Does the pixel work with ps3/ps4/xbox one controllers via otg? (I wanna use it for emulators on the go)?
-Is the SD 821 performing at peak frequency or does the phone thermal throttle hard like samsung phones? (All my samsungs ran warm to hot, i just expect this from the samsung phones I have used, including my galaxy nexus)

EternalSeekerX said:
So currently on my note 7 I am getting a sot of 5h and 54 min (so ~6hrs on my nerfed battery, this was at 3% left) Link: https://imgur.com/gallery/bfYCO
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Sorry, but i have a question for you. You said "nerfed battery" on your Note 7. Not quite understanding what you mean by "nerfed battery". Like a downgraded battery? Sorry, noob question i'm sure.

Zeroflucks said:
Sorry, but i have a question for you. You said "nerfed battery" on your Note 7. Not quite understanding what you mean by "nerfed battery". Like a downgraded battery? Sorry, noob question i'm sure.
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Nerfed meaning after samsung pushed the 60% battery capacity.
Sorry for the confusion!

Well between the N7/S7E and the pixel, what things have improved? Whats your use case? Is it similar to mine? Its a plus to be able to root but I usually root at the end of the product cycle, most of my apps play nice with Android and don't need root while still supplying performance. <br />
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Actually I haven't rooted it yet and so far so good. Battery life has improved tremendously and I'm not sure I can speak to my usage compared to yours. That's pretty subjective. The fingerprint scanner is is nice. The battery charges Superfast which is nice. With the Note 3 I carried two spare batteries and with this phone I might look for a wall plug once a day and that's generally very late in the day. Sorry I couldn't give you more specifics but I hope this helps. The camera seems to be much faster also and the photos better quality. The assistant works well. If you decide to keep your Note 7 I've got a couple Chargers and cases that I no longer have use for. LOL
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Nerfed meaning after samsung pushed the 60% battery capacity.
Sorry for the confusion!
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My Note 7 still charges to 100%...
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EternalSeekerX said:
Well between your wife S7 and the pixel, what differences are standing out in terms of software features? I mean touchwiz isnt bad but, enh.
Well between the N7/S7E and the pixel, what things have improved? Whats your use case? Is it similar to mine? Its a plus to be able to root but I usually root at the end of the product cycle, most of my apps play nice with Android and don't need root while still supplying performance.
Between the Pixel XL and the S7 edge....
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I don't have the S7 Edge in hand yet so I can't honestly say. But for me the S7 Edge will be good enough for 11 months... the Pixel is a fantastic device other than the rear fingerprint scanner in my opinion.
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neyenlives said:
My Note 7 still charges to 100%...
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I don't have the S7 Edge in hand yet so I can't honestly say. But for me the S7 Edge will be good enough for 11 months... the Pixel is a fantastic device other than the rear fingerprint scanner in my opinion.
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Is that your original or replaced note 7? Anyway i bought an s7 edge since the Samsung store gave me a 100 dollar off.

Just wanted to say hello and get some advice

To the Note 4 community at large, I have officially joined you and am so happy to have done so. I was on a gs3 for 3.5 years and finally upgraded to a LG V10. 2 weeks ago and after 20 months of relatively issue-free use, my V10 bootlooped itself to death in my hand and I immediately took that opportunity to start shopping for a Note 4. (LG replaced the main board for free way beyond their extended warranty because it "wasn't charging through the port"... Whatever, didn't cost me anything but the inconvenience.)
Anyway, I picked up a gently used N4 on ebay for 215 shipped and it just got here this afternoon, already had a glass screen protector, uag case, zerolemon and case and OG box/charger. It came with MM and is on baseband CQD1, which seems pretty far along as far as downgrading/rooting/roaming from reading through the threads available but I obviously wanted to check in with everyone here first for options. Am I screwed as far root/romability? When I bought this phone, I was picturing running a rooted stock rom. I just want the hardware to not be hindered by the software. Currently running Oct-N on my gs3 and for the most part it's all good but the lag makes maps essentially useless. I don't want that for my daily driver, especially on a phone that I've wanted since it released.
Thanks in advance for any advice/helpful pointers, love xda and all it provides through the people here

You can try this link in xda try to ask there. Thata the thread to go from mm 6.0.1 to a custom rom it tells you cm13 but you can install something else instead.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...guide-step-step-stock-n910v-6-0-1-to-t3426905

AirForceOnes0010 said:
To the Note 4 community at large, I have officially joined you and am so happy to have done so. I was on a gs3 for 3.5 years and finally upgraded to a LG V10. 2 weeks ago and after 20 months of relatively issue-free use, my V10 bootlooped itself to death in my hand and I immediately took that opportunity to start shopping for a Note 4. (LG replaced the main board for free way beyond their extended warranty because it "wasn't charging through the port"... Whatever, didn't cost me anything but the inconvenience.)
Anyway, I picked up a gently used N4 on ebay for 215 shipped and it just got here this afternoon, already had a glass screen protector, uag case, zerolemon and case and OG box/charger. It came with MM and is on baseband CQD1, which seems pretty far along as far as downgrading/rooting/roaming from reading through the threads available but I obviously wanted to check in with everyone here first for options. Am I screwed as far root/romability? When I bought this phone, I was picturing running a rooted stock rom. I just want the hardware to not be hindered by the software. Currently running Oct-N on my gs3 and for the most part it's all good but the lag makes maps essentially useless. I don't want that for my daily driver, especially on a phone that I've wanted since it released.
Thanks in advance for any advice/helpful pointers, love xda and all it provides through the people here
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Get that bad boy unlocked and come join the party. You just bought the last in a line of kings that began with the s2 skyrocket (first sammie i had lol) and this is my last ....everything beyond this is sim locked w/o the ability to remove the battery . Btw what did/do you think of the lg v series ive heard good things and i do like the secondary display even though its really more of an extension than a 2nd display . Was wondering how it runs comparitively to oh say your note 4 lol

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Get that bad boy unlocked and come join the party. You just bought the last in a line of kings that began with the s2 skyrocket (first sammie i had lol) and this is my last ....everything beyond this is sim locked w/o the ability to remove the battery . Btw what did/do you think of the lg v series ive heard good things and i do like the secondary display even though its really more of an extension than a 2nd display . Was wondering how it runs comparitively to oh say your note 4 lol
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I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.

AirForceOnes0010 said:
I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.
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Lol its really only sketchy the first time you unlock it ...and look on the bright side your finally grtting around to learning to use adb minimum (not to mention all root methods after this will feel easy) i had the note 3 and this is the same exploit i used to unlock it so i wasnt shell shocked by the concept of super sketchy temp root) it is a phenomally good idea to use dr. Cools stabalized method to unlock the bootloader (its in the forum somwhere) for at least his method some of his files are outdated and should maybe be updated but his guide is still my personal reference . Also you do not need a verizon sim card ! The note 4 isnt sim locked i used a cricket wireless sim . You do have to manually enter apn info though i found mine at apngeisha.com (really only applies if you want to update to 6.0.1 and above) Good luck !

AirForceOnes0010 said:
I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.
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Just bought a new n4 and did the 6.1.1 to stock 5.1.1 to unlock and root. Well worth it, phone is so much nicer without bloat and ability to use all the root apps. Its not terribly difficult process just time consuming. Good luck

Hi, I'd suggest you use the Batman Rom by Star53, it combines the features of the note 4 and the s8, it's well developed and battery friendly, it can be found over at the Note 4 Snapdragon forum, and a good kernel with that Rom is modest kernel by Kevintm78, with this setup you'll easily be able to get at least 4 hour SOT

Thanks for all the advice, why I come here really nice having a phone with development still on-going, Verizon v10 forum was very depressing

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Just bought a new n4 and did the 6.1.1 to stock 5.1.1 to unlock and root. Well worth it, phone is so much nicer without bloat and ability to use all the root apps. Its not terribly difficult process just time consuming. Good luck
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Only moderately difficult the very first time. The phone takes root way easier after it has been rooted once.

Get yourself unlocked and once you do, either use MoDestROm or N7. User kevintm78 is the author of MoDestRom and he has released a kernel which is compatible for both ROMs, if I understand correctly. There are actually 4 separate kernel files, you only need one. Basically, there are two kernel files for each ROM, one without, and one WITH ZeroLemon battery compatibility. If you don't use one of these ZL compatible kernels or if you stay on stock rom, then your phone is likely to not read your battery percentage correctly. Moreover, it'll stay at 1% like mine did for quite a few hours, which is extremely annoying, considering the phone goes dim at 3%.
Here's a link to the Kernel thread. - MoDest Kernel
I don't know what else is out there, or what else works with the Note 4 (SM-N910V) in terms of ZeroLemon battery compatibility, so there could be more stuff out there. But I'm fine with this. In fact, I've even inquired about using a different battery, there's an even higher capacity battery, I think 11,800 mAh (ZL is 10,000 mAh), and kevin told me that he thinks it should work fine but this is more than likely untested and more like a theory of his.

Need help deciding between phones (Note 9, Note 10+, Note 4) POWER USERS

Hi, I need some guidance from more knowledgeable users deciding between phones due to my lack of detailed information on the mod ecosystem of the newer Samsung devices, since I stopped paying attention after Samsung dropped features I prefer (removable battery, IR blaster, etc). I have a note 4 that was rooted and running a custom rom that worked like a champ until recently with the ZeroLemon 10Ah battery when it decided to die. I use my phone as a pocket Linux computer so stripping away most of the limitations placed on the device by the manufacturers is what I desire to do.
Can people who have owned or have detailed knowledge of the current ecosystem weigh in on the pro and cons of the note 10+ vs the note 9 beyond the basic technical differences on the data sheets? I am currently researching information regarding the following:
Software Bugs
Root support/stability (Traditional or Magisk)
MicroG support (I want as little google in my life as possible)
TWRP(or equivalent) compatibility
Tasker and Xprivacy compatibility or equivalent.
Custom Rom support(general development and extra hardware feature support like Fingerpring reader being usable by apps or Hotspot capability)
bypassing and stability of warranty voiding/feature locking measures(KNOX, SafetyNet)
Overall I just want to better understand the upper limits and issues of modification that can be achieved with each device while holding on to as much built in functions as possible.
I do not need the absolute most cutting edge technical performance from parts, but features included in the SoC or RAM capacity for software expansion that affect longevity I would want to know. I dont really mind the need to use a dongle for 3.5mm audio on the 10+ but avoiding sending Samsung the message that its removal was ok for a supposed kitchen sink device is a small consideration. I would have liked and IR blaster but that ship has sailed on the new Samsung devices regardless. I would get a battery case that adds a few thousand mAh's for the 10+ or 9 so small differences in use endurance would be heavily mitigated. If it turns out the 10+ is just a stopgap half-step until the actual refinement (Note 11?) then I can try to send in my Note 4 to Samsung and get it online for another year since paying $1000US for an experiment or obligatory product cycle launch is not really what I am looking for at the moment since I keep phones for a while. From what I read so far their product line seems to speak of artificial market segregation and I feel the base note 10 only exists to make the S and the 10+ look better while getting rid of surplus inventory of parts from other product lines. Overall it just made me wary of potential hiccups for long term use.
If you would like me to specify anything else I will do my best to answer quickly. Thanks for any help you can provide. :good:
Now im off to continue my reading and watching of reviews for these devices.
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I didn't think It needed to be said, but can we try to keep the answers constructive instead of snarky for no reason? If you need to be snarky for no reason plz make your comment as amusing and original as possible. Thx
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So in addition to the removal of the 3.5mm audio port from the N10/N10+, Samsung has seen fit to entirely remove the internal DAC from the phone. Passive USB-C to 3.5mm adapters will not function and explains why certain external DACs "may experience bugs" and why many of the external battery cases claim to support data sync but not USB-C to 3.5mm audio.
I am corresponding with a ZeroLemon representative to get them to clarify the capabilities of the 5Ah battery case and the 10Ah variant that "will be available in a few weeks". (EDIT) ZeroLemon have confirmed that their extended battery cases have no wired audio functionality with or without DAC integrated into the mix. They are reluctant to give me wiring data so I can only take the demerit at their word.
Removing the 3.5mm jack was bad enough but Samsung removing the DAC entirely is a little overboard for the cost of the device imo just to offload the cost with a $20US basic dongle you buy separately. I can understand it from a business perspective, but as a consumer I am not pleased with Samsungs development direction.

...you're serious?

In the time it took to type out that post, you could've found all your answers by researching and using Google.

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...you're serious?
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Snapdragon Note 10plus..no root no twrp..no micrgapps..no xposed.
Exynos Note 10plus better chance at all the things listed above
Note 9 great phone but the same as above.
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I had planned to spend the incoming month to build an answear to your questions but after a day of full thoughts I decided to spend my time doing something else.

Power users!!!!!

Your post reminds me of that commercial where a guy asks his friend if he knows any good contractors, and when he replies yes he is asked to go out and get quotes and timelines....
I can't believe you came to XDA and posted something like that without even trying to search.
My advice is go buy the new iphone 11 pro plus. I here it will do all that and and transfer your root and linux setup from your note 4 too.

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...you're serious?
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Yes, quite. Is there a problem with asking individuals who may already have a deep knowledge of issues and limits of these devices to give advice based on their experiences?
Mr. Orange 645 said:
In the time it took to type out that post, you could've found all your answers by researching and using Google.
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Im fairly certain I could not find detailed answers for everything I just asked in less than 3 minutes. I believe I stated in the OP that I was simultaneously doing my own research, but I also thought it wise to ask the question considering I am not all knowing and there are details I may miss or things I havent considered.
butchieboy said:
Snapdragon Note 10plus..no root no twrp..no micrgapps..no xposed.
Exynos Note 10plus better chance at all the things listed above
Note 9 great phone but the same as above.
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I appreciate you replying to the content of the post instead of just posting sarcasm. You are the MVP of the responders thus far.
mafy31 said:
I had planned to spend the incoming month to build an answear to your questions but after a day of full thoughts I decided to spend my time doing something else.
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Wow, you were going to tackle every specific question I had in detail by yourself? That would have been an epic post I would have enjoyed reading, too bad you have other engagements. Maybe next time? :laugh:
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Your post reminds me of that commercial where a guy asks his friend if he knows any good contractors, and when he replies yes he is asked to go out and get quotes and timelines....
I can't believe you came to XDA and posted something like that without even trying to search.
My advice is go buy the new iphone 11 pro plus. I here it will do all that and and transfer your root and linux setup from your note 4 too.
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I see how it would be similar on the surface. Aside from the fact that I stated I was already doing my own research and this question is supplemental to that, and this question is directed at those whom already have the information I am asking(actual contractors or people with knowledge of the trade). You might even say its also similar to asking someone who just had their house remodeled how much their contractor charged them for the work and if they did a good job.
Why would I want to own an iPhone? I think the last iDevice I owned was an iPod touch I got for free over 10 years ago and I had to jailbreak it just for it to be tolerable. Wait, are you just being snarky to avoid actually giving me any constructive information? That cant be something someone would come on to XDA to do?
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Power users!!!!!
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I never owned a Note 4, though I would imagine the Note 9 or Note 10+ would be at least a marginal upgrade.
I had the Note 9. Now I have the Note 10+. I like it, because it does stuff well.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
I never owned a Note 4, though I would imagine the Note 9 or Note 10+ would be at least a marginal upgrade.
I had the Note 9. Now I have the Note 10+. I like it, because it does stuff well.
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I agree that both devices would probably be a slight upgrade over the Note 4 aside from the removable battery, IR blaster, and 3.5mm jack(Note 10+) being absent. The Note 4 was great, its flexibility and features made me disappointed in the following iterations until the Note 7 fiasco when I finally just stopped paying attention to Samsung releases since a removable battery would have entirely mitigated the issue they faced at the time.
Cool, im glad you like the Note 10+. What particular stuff for you does it do well in comparison to your Note 9 if you dont mind me asking?

POWER USER with a Note 4........

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=note+10+vs+note+9

shollywood said:
POWER USER with a Note 4........
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Yes......You can do a lot with a rooted note 4 with a 10Ah Battery and a custom rom with lots of quality of life tweaks(Tasker, Xprivacy, etc.) Can you only be a power user if you pay to get the newest phones every time they are released when the older phone you already own pretty much does what you want?
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I think I might have stated somewhere in my OP that I was doing my own research in addition to asking this question, but I may be wrong. I may need to close these 30+ tabs of Note 9 and 10+ related research I was doing for myself and do some Note 9 and 10+ related research for myself.
As far as not being constructive goes, that was pretty funny. I may have to use that one on someone it applies to at some point.

Tetsujin_100 said:
Yes......You can do a lot with a rooted note 4 with a 10Ah Battery and a custom rom with lots of quality of life tweaks(Tasker, Xprivacy, etc.) Can you only be a power user if you pay to get the newest phones every time they are released when the older phone you already own pretty much does what you want?
I think I might have stated somewhere in my OP that I was doing my own research in addition to asking this question, but I may be wrong. I may need to close these 30+ tabs of Note 9 and 10+ related research I was doing for myself and do some Note 9 and 10+ related research for myself.
As far as not being constructive goes, that was pretty funny. I may have to use that one on someone it applies to at some point.
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Glad you liked it. One of my favorite sites.
But in all seriousness, there's some pretty in depth comparisons on YouTube from power users. I watched a few when making my decision to jump from the Note 9.
Is it upgrade from the Note 4. Absolutely. Is it an upgrade from the Note 9? I would say so. They refined the form factor from the Note 8/9, the screen is gorgeous, and it's a powerhouse.
Let me put it this way. I recently bought an nVidia Shield TV for gaming, especially emulating older gaming systems such as the GameCube (a notoriously difficult console to emulate, unless you have a gaming PC). The Shield TV is the reigning king of mobile banking powerhouses, and YouTube recommended it for emulation.
I was all excited for the Shield TV, got it set up, and it did decent. I had to fiddle with the settings, and I finally got Eternal Darkness to run DECENTLY at 720p with just a few slowdowns and stutters. It's maintained 60fps for the majority of the game, but would occasionally slow to about 40fps and the game would move like molasses. Nothing like fighting demons in slow motion.
Well, hooked up my Note 10+ to my TV, and ran the same emulator on the Note 10+ through DeX, and holy crap. It runs that game smooth as butter at 1080p. Except for one scene that stuttered for about a second, it runs at full 60fps. I'm selling my Shield TV. Why do I need it when it's inferior to my Note 10+ for gaming.
So what I'm trying to say, for functionality (S-Pen, air commands, DeX) the Note 10+ is an amazing phone. As far as power? Well, gaming is one of the most taxing things you can do with a phone, and this one doesn't even blink when heavy games are thrown at it. Now, if I crank all the Dolphin emulator options up to full, it will slow down and spit and sputter to the point it's not playable. But I think 1080p rendering at 60fps for a console game is more than impressive.
Yes, you lose root. Who needs it? Yes you lose the removable battery. I can't argue that one, really, but it hasn't bothered me in the last four years since most manufacturers did away with them. Yes you lose the IR blaster. I never used it, except in a hotel bar to put the baseball game on their TV when the bartender stepped away, LOL. What you gain compared to the Note 4 is more than worth the trade off.
Note 9 vs Note 10+ is a closer argument, but I don't regret upgrading even a little bit.

shollywood said:
POWER USER with a Note 4........
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In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
You could manage your business from an iphone 6. It's less the phone and more how you use it.

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Glad you liked it. One of my favorite sites.
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I can see it getting a lot of use with how people are on the internet sometimes lol
But in all seriousness, there's some pretty in depth comparisons on YouTube from power users. I watched a few when making my decision to jump from the Note 9.
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I have watched a few at this point, but I am still watching more. Do you have anyone specific you would recommend that you think did the best job in the breakdown?
Is it upgrade from the Note 4. Absolutely. Is it an upgrade from the Note 9? I would say so. They refined the form factor from the Note 8/9, the screen is gorgeous, and it's a powerhouse.
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I agree the phones of today blow the note 4 out of the water on pure specs and many feature implementations. What keeps me on the fence is how new the note 10+ is at the moment. Im not sure how its hardware will affect the Rom/App ecosystem longterm and I would be keeping this $1000+ investment for a while in comparison to the Note 9 which can be had for hundreds of dollars cheaper, but im willing to pay the extra cost if there are no long term downsides.
Let me put it this way. I recently bought an nVidia Shield TV for gaming,.....snip
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That is pretty impressive. I know certain consoles are a pain in the butt to emulate efficiently because of their custom architectures. That is definitely a win for the N10+. I dont really play heavy games on my phone as I have a gaming PC so my phone gaming is largely limited to things like Townsmen, Kingdom Rush, style games along with older emulators also, but that kind of hardware capability is something you want from a device like this. I would probably play much older consoles this way so I can start and stop on the go etc. Playing Zelda on the go and continuing at home sounds appealing at this moment.
So what I'm trying to say, for functionality (S-Pen, air commands, DeX) the Note 10+ is an amazing phone. As far as power? Well, gaming is one of the most taxing things you can do with a phone, and this one doesn't even blink when heavy games are thrown at it. Now, if I crank all the Dolphin emulator options up to full, it will slow down and spit and sputter to the point it's not playable. But I think 1080p rendering at 60fps for a console game is more than impressive.
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When I say "power" I personally mean usage flexibility, basic and advanced features, and capability for longevity through modifications once Samsung decides its of lower priority. As far as pure grunt(IPC, clock rate, etc.) I find it to be a close secondary concern while still being important. A lot of the features in the new phones were pioneered by 3rd party developers before Samsung/Google made an in-house version. In the long term being less dependent on samsung and google is best so they cant artificially limit your device when they decide you should be buying the new one so hardware that is easy for me and dedicated devs to work with is very important for me.
Yes, you lose root. Who needs it? Yes you lose the removable battery. I can't argue that one, really, but it hasn't bothered me in the last four years since most manufacturers did away with them. Yes you lose the IR blaster. I never used it, except in a hotel bar to put the baseball game on their TV when the bartender stepped away, LOL. What you gain compared to the Note 4 is more than worth the trade off.
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I may need root(Magisk/SU access), but the specifics of the ecosystem may have shifted enough to where applications like Tasker no longer require root level access. I do need TWRP or some equivalent to work for testing roms and backups though.
The lack of a removable battery bothers me on the level that its not an option and from a function over form engineering standpoint I don't like the idea of a potentially volatile piece of technology being a major failure point of a expensive device. Both on the level of LiPo/Li-ion batteries chemically(I know they are safe generally) and not being able to disconnect a device from its power source if necessary. I know more than a few people personally over the years who had phones(and other compact devices) with internal batteries that have destroyed themselves simply because of the battery physically expanding causing damage to surrounding systems and or because a some hardware or software problem cause a loop of damage(electrical or thermal) to the device that couldnt be stopped. The entire Note 7 was an exercise in why removable power sources in general are a good idea and it cost Samsung both money and image not abiding by that principle. I will admit the theft protection aspect of a non removable battery is a bonus. I plan to use an Aquero), and other items in addition to those niche times you mentioned. The only pain was the fact the Samsung installed an IR transmitter instead of a transceiver on the note 4 so I had to work around getting all my remote codes into the phone the harder way. This was the kind of detail I worry about and why I asked this question, even though I see now many do not appreciate me asking in such a way.
Note 9 vs Note 10+ is a closer argument, but I don't regret upgrading even a little bit.
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Im glad you are happy with your purchase, and I agree that in general if there are no major flaws related to my specific usage wants/requirements that the 9 and 10+ would be a great improvement over the note 4. As far as the Note 4 still being on the table is just in the circumstance of there being data that the note 10+ represents more of a tick or a tock relative to the phones next year in which case I can just spend $100 to get it fixed and wait. The segmentation between the S10, N10, N10+, makes me wonder about the plans for the product line, but if the Note 10 is just a case of Samsung getting rid of backlog parts then its probably nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to answer and giving me your perspective. I really appreciate it. :highfive:
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In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
You could manage your business from an iphone 6. It's less the phone and more how you use it.
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I agree that the term "power user" is a fairly ambiguous term that can mean different things to different people. I agree that you can do things with an iphone, but what they have in stability they greatly lack in operational/usage flexibility at the high end. My device I paid for telling me "no" when it technically capable of doing what I want is not something I will tolerate unless absolutely necessary.
What I personally qualify as a "power user" is having usages well outside of what most would consider "phone" use(light internet, few notes, a game or two, and some videos). This moves into the territory of Custom Roms, heavy tasker automation, regular file transfer, file hosting and streaming, hotspot usage while connected to a VPN or SSH connection, diagnostic work, remote control(TV-PC control), etc. Overall if you think of your device as more or a pocket Linux computer with phone capability as opposed to a phone with extra features that are useful/fun, you likely would fall under some metric of the "power user" umbrella. In my experience most users I have ever met fall into the latter category while many less fall into the former. There are still cases to me where you can be a "power user" if you only use one specific feature to its limits in the <10% of users range.
I understand the economics of Samsungs feature shifts, but doesnt mean I have to like it. Apple devices are simply incompatible with my usage demands, I tried to live with my brothers old Iphone X or 9 for a week and it was painful.

pcriz said:
In all fairness what is a power user? You can buy the most capable phone and only use snapchat, facebook, and take selfies.
LOl...probably NOT a power user then, no?
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shollywood said:
LOl...probably NOT a power user then, no?
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You kind of missed the point.
Your comment that I responded to called out the note 4 and the fact that op said "power users". As if they cant exist in the same sentence...
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If you acknowledge the idea that a person only using a phone for social networking (regardless of the phone) isnt a "power user", then you kind of made my point for me. That it isn't the phone it's the user.
Also you seem to imply "power user" is synonymous with owning the newest phone, which I would also say is kind of a fallacy.

Regarding software bugs:
The Note 10/+ are running One UI 1.5 and coming from my S9+ running One UI 1.0, I noticed the following improvements:
1. No more bluetooth volume warning message
2. Automated switching ("Sunset to Sunrise") between Night Mode and Day(?) Mode no longer leaves minimized notifications in the wrong mode. I would look at my notification shade after the phone automatically switched back to Day Mode and a couple minimized notifications at the bottom would still be in the dark shade. I would have to toggle Night Mode on and off and turn the schedule on again to make things right (until I repeated this 24 hours later!)
3. When the notification shade is fully extended and you have to actually scroll down to go through every single one, the animation has been cleaned up so that the icons of the bottom-most notifications don't look they're falling into/out of the UI. If ever there was a case that Samsung is not Apple, this would have been it.
4. When you pull down the notification shade, the toggles are actually correct the first time you glance at them (and previously you would pull down, push up, pull down again to see the toggles as they should be.)
5. Split screen works better. The initial app docks very well to the top half of the screen and the phone understands better that all the task switching and app gymnastics you do are meant for the bottom half of the display.
6. Apps install blazingly fast.
7. My corporate IT device admin app (Blackberry UEM) does not force a series of unrelated events when installing an app (previously it would toggle bluetooth and launch a restart-PIN security screen--don't ask me why).
Those are the things I can immediately think of.