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Got my TP2, not sure you are having the same strange thing like me.
When I take out my TP2 from the magnet pouch, it will turn on itself.
I know you might think i accidently pressed some button... .. so i do a test and turn off my TP2 as usual and then just move my pouch back and fort next to my phone, and it turn on again.
Now I have to use a non-magnetive pouch.
Do you having the same experience?
Like old crackberrys when taking out of the belt clip it turns on...
wierd...never heard of it
confirmed here to...
i called it an undocumented feature.
the old htc wizard use to rotate the screen while in the pouch to.
faria said:
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i called it an undocumented feature.
the old htc wizard use to rotate the screen while in the pouch to.
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Ha! so Funny!!!
Maybe it is good too, beside you going to turn it on anyway when you took it out from your pouch :> ... So it turn it on for you.
Agreed, undocumented feature.... hahahahahahah
I've also noticed this but I'm not using the magnetic case as I need a belt clip, I'm using the old case from my Tytn2 which has a velcro closure. I also thought it was a clever feature like the way the light sensor turns off the touchscreen when you hold the phone to your ear when in a call.
Here is a video of this phenomenon
http://www.vimeo.com/5063985
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Nice magic but mine doesnt hv that undocumented feature..
confirmed ...
great feature! ;-)
Good. I am not alone.
I think I have this figured out.
I think the keyboard uses a magnet to detect when it is deployed, and that is what is being tripped by the cases' magnetic clasp.
After playing about with the case, trying to find all the ways to turn my TP2 on with it, (never turns on inside the case, mine is nowhere near as magnetic on the inside as it is on the outside) i found that the magnet can also rotate the screen disabling the onscreen input at the same time, just like when the keyboard is deployed.
If my theory is correct, then if you can find a way to disable the power on with keyboard slide (has anyone figured this out already?) then your problems with the case should be solved.
Or you could try and demagnetising the magnet a bit, perhaps your magnet is mega-powerful and thats why its able to trip the sensor while inside the pouch.
Same kind of problem here, that keylock opens when device it put to holster. And I have got couple of "angry" calls about "can't you use the keylock".
Luckily this "slide to unlock" keylock works little better, but still isn't the best solution.
Woohoo! Mine does it too!
Strangely though, it does seem to happen on my friends Vodafone branded TP2...
Oh, and off course the "nicest" thing is, that puches that came with TyTN2 and Touch Pro2 (and TyTN, if I remember correctly) contains magnets that open keylock/turn power on. Maybe there should have been little more thinking/hardware testing when that kind of accesories are decided to put in package.
And otherwise Touch Pro2's pouch is pretty useless, because it doesn't have belt clip, and it's "too thick" (compared to eg. Nokia's E71 pouch) to use with phone just in pocket.
Whoaa.. mine does too..
Just curious, try to enable the sliding sound, And you'll notice that when you put magnet on it, the sound plays.
Maybe the magnet triggers some sort of keyboard sensor..
anyone knows how to keep the phone standby even if the keyboard is opened?
Mine does not switch on when I take it out of the pouch. But it does switch on when I wave the pouch over the bottom corner like in the video.
I usually put the TP2 LCD facing in, but I tried with it facing out and it still does not switch on... strange
BTW, I feel the original case that came with the unit is too tight. Kinda hard for me to take the phone out. I'm using the original TyTn 2 case. A little loose, but can be tightened with the velcro...
If you want to disable the "wake up when the keyboard slide", check this post : http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1093353&postcount=37
It solved the problem with my magnetic leather pouch.
vakbrain said:
If you want to disable the "wake up when the keyboard slide", check this post : http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1093353&postcount=37
It solved the problem with my magnetic leather pouch.
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Thanks very much - that sorted it...
Rgs,
J
mines turns on as well. i have a vertical type case. when i place the tp2 into the pouch it cuts on. if i place it in upside down it doesnt. seems odd that orientation affects it...
Hey Guys,
I think Ghostifish has this thing completely figured out. There's definitely magnets inside the phone. I discovered this one by putting my phone down on my desk at work close to a couple of paper clips. When I picked it up, it grabbed the clips with it!! Four of them to be exact. At first I was a little started (thinking jeez, the magnetic fields off this thing must be frying my brain! ) But then realized that it was probably a lot like my i760 which also used a magnetic retention mechanism to hold the phone open or closed instead of a spring that would be prone to breaking.
Just FYI.
Dustin
I have situations sometimes when Pro2 starts making multiple slider activation sounds (which I have enabled in Windows settings), where as the actual slider in not moving. I cannot see what happens on the screen during this because it sits in my pouch, but it is always unlocked when I get it out.
When I try to actually use slider, the sound only goes of when slider is half-way through! While when in pouch, it is slider is completely static.
Anyone else is seeing this, it bugs me as hell. I installed custom locking application, but it is set to unlock on slider events (which is what I want), and thus the device unlocks when this starts happening.
I am starting to suspect G Sensor, but so far could not repro this issue manually, with device outside of belt pouch.
If you have a case with a magnetic latch, this may be your problem. We discovered that when the phone is passed over the magnet in the latch, it will unlock the phone and activate the display and slider sound.
That was it, thank you.
Ugh! My favorite kind of belt pouch is magnetic.. What exactly was it doing? Unlocking itself!?
Not all magnetic pouches make the phone go nuts. I have 2 magnetic ones and neither one turn it on when I put it in or take it out of the case.
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Not all magnetic pouches make the phone go nuts. I have 2 magnetic ones and neither one turn it on when I put it in or take it out of the case.
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Try an experiment. Run the bottom of your phone (where your talk and end keys are at) close to the magnetic latch and see if it unlocks it.
We discovered that it also changed some settings.
If i run the magnet over the phone like that it turns it on, but putting the phone in and out of the case don't.
I owned a smart cover for my galaxy note 8.0, it can work properly like sleep and wake.
But here's the problem come,
usually the cover is cover the front of the tablet, but when we use it, we will flip the cover to the back of tablet.
while the cover touched the back side of the tablet, it will also put it as sleep.
so, how to disable smart cover auto sleep?
i had tried the "Lock instantly with power key", but it required at least security of "pattern"
Any ideas?
Need help! THANK YOU!:good:
I guess something is wrong either with your cover or device - putting the cover on the back should never put the device to sleep.
I don't recall anybody reporting similar problems here, also the small sample we have at home (2 notes + 2 covers) behaves correctly.
The best thing (although it's probably easier said than done) would be to establish which one is malfunctioning and have it replaced if possible.
otoh I would also be interested in a way to disable the cover on/off function - mine is so sensitive, that even the slight move of the front part wakes the device, causing increased battery drain and making betterbatterystats readings useless.
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I guess something is wrong either with your cover or device - putting the cover on the back should never put the device to sleep.
I don't recall anybody reporting similar problems here, also the small sample we have at home (2 notes + 2 covers) behaves correctly.
The best thing (although it's probably easier said than done) would be to establish which one is malfunctioning and have it replaced if possible.
otoh I would also be interested in a way to disable the cover on/off function - mine is so sensitive, that even the slight move of the front part wakes the device, causing increased battery drain and making betterbatterystats readings useless.
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Here's a YouTube video that shows you how to do that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhB5kJGQKsI
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Here's a YouTube video that shows you how to do that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhB5kJGQKsI
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thanks, but that's not it, my problem is sensitivity to magnets in the cover, not the home button
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Yes I have the same problem... I bought some dodgy case off eBay. The magnets also interfee with the spen
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I have seen that happen a lot with ipad cases. Its due to a poorly designed case.
flashlim said:
I owned a smart cover for my galaxy note 8.0, it can work properly like sleep and wake.
But here's the problem come,
usually the cover is cover the front of the tablet, but when we use it, we will flip the cover to the back of tablet.
while the cover touched the back side of the tablet, it will also put it as sleep.
so, how to disable smart cover auto sleep?
i had tried the "Lock instantly with power key", but it required at least security of "pattern"
Any ideas?
Need help! THANK YOU!:good:
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thanks, but that's not it, my problem is sensitivity to magnets in the cover, not the home button
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It happens all the time to me. Put it nicely in the back. Not a single bit cover the front. Shake the device a little bit. The cover hits the back of the device, make some noise and screen turns off. Magic. As if the device can sense magnet even by its back. But when it sits really tightly that no space bw it and the case, problem solved by put on some sticky tape in the back.
Smart cover not smart at all T^T~ but original case without having that problem right?
Smart cover problem
Still looking for a way to disable the software that causes auto sleep/wake.
The problem with some covers is that they are not authentic from the manufacturers. The original Samsung case for Note 8/N5100 has the correct magnetic power in the case flap. The other covers have a magnet that is too strong so when the flap is in the back the magnet still effects.
I surgically cut the magnet out of the cheep cover and closed it back up. Disabled auto wake with the modification. I am guessing the same could be done with the original authentic Samsung case but it is hard to cut the little magnet out because its built in seamlessly so you cant see the exact location of the magnet.
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Smart cover not smart at all T^T~ but original case without having that problem right?
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Original Samsung book cover should not have that problem. i have been using the book cover for almost five months and not facing said issue.
I picked up a Samsung brand keyboard cover for my 813 today and was very disappointed to find that the magnets in the keyboard would shut the screen off when you flip the cover over so you can hold the tablet and use it without the keyboard.
I researched but couldn't find a solution that was even remotely practical.
I figured out that if you fold the cover like I did in the picture, there's enough space between the keyboard and the tablet that it doesn't trip the magnetic switch.
The cover is still folded on a way it's designed to and doesn't feel any different when using it.
Hope this helps.
so i assume this problem is not for specific covers then, i got a 'Superfly' case+cover that works like those for the ipad ones from Apple. the cover rolls back to create a triangle stand. when i try to fold it all the way back to create a flat back, the magnetic also sleeps the tab. so the only way to use it and holding it is to roll it back and making it a stand and hold the stand itself.
very frustrating as sometimes i would like to fold the cover back and lay flat on table or on my palm but it just sleeps it.
only way to hold it on the hand is the like pic attached.
it seems like the sleep magnets are towards the left of the device, because when i close the cover half way where the right side of cover is still far from the screen, it puts it to sleep. same for the rear
sorry for thread jack though, i'm on the same boat as you
I think that the magnetic switch is near the home button.
Would it be possible to put a metallic barrier on the back of the tablet between the back flap to prevent the magnet on the front flap triggering the switch?
Metallic Plate Works!
Putting a metallic barrier actually works very well. I got a magnetic phone holder for my car which came with 2 metal plates (with adhesive) that you can stick to your phone back. I didn't need the larger one and tried it with the Tab S2 (9.7) official keyboard cover. And it worked!
The pictures show where exactly is the "sweet spot".
Update: Apparently the position outside the box reverses the effect - switches off when you remove the keyboard. The solution I found is to wedge the metal plate behind the cover just near where the cover snaps to the tablet. Works perfect!
Nougat Updates solves the auto-off bug
The auto-off problem seems to have been solved with the Nougat update. After the update when I connected the keyboard cover, the touchpad was not working. I unpaired and paired the keyboard again. Got both the keyboard and touchpad working. Then discovered that the auto-off bug is also solved when I folded it in reading mode with the keyboard in both on/off positions.
I have just received my preordered Tab S4 with keyboard cover, but when I close the keyboard cover it does not turn off the screen. Also when I manually turn off the screen, close the keyboard cover and then open it, it does not turn on the tablet. Is there any setting for this in Settings? Or is this feature not available anymore?
Thx.
Keyboard cover does not have magnetic attachment that enables the auto-unlock... At least, that is already a thing on Tab S3 so it is not a big surprise to me if they ommited the feature on S4 as well.
thank you, this means the keyboard cover is useless for me. I tried with magnet and it does have magnetic response on the keyboard cover edge and also on the tablet edge, so I don't understand why it's not shutting down the tablet screen.
Curious if the standard cover has that type of support then.
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Curious if the standard cover has that type of support then.
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I would suspect that if the keyboard cover can't do it the regular one won't do it either. As long as you don't have the screen time out value too high on the tablet, I don't see what the problem is. Mine is set to 1 minute and that works just fine for me.
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I would suspect that if the keyboard cover can't do it the regular one won't do it either. As long as you don't have the screen time out value too high on the tablet, I don't see what the problem is. Mine is set to 1 minute and that works just fine for me.
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the problem is that I had previous tablet S3 with regular book cover and was used to grabbing my tablet and by opening the cover the screen woke up automatically. Now it stays dark and I have to either press the power button or double tap on the screen. That's not acceptable. And yes, I do understand that "screen on" function can be set let's say for 1 minute, but that's not the point. This is really deal breaker for me. I will go to Best Buy tomorrow and try the regular book cover.
I have also called the Samsung support today, boy, they are clueless. Their customer support with heavy Chinese accent didn't even know that this tablet is out for public, so I hanged up and called again, this second guy told that my table is probably not sitting properly in the keyboard cover and I need to go to nearest Samsung center and they will adjust the position I don't believe what I hear......
The keyboard cover does't wake it upon opening, but when you connect it to the keyboard it starts. When not using the keyboard you can double tap the screen to turn on (Like LG phones), works well, takes about one second.
carlitos66 said:
I have just received my preordered Tab S4 with keyboard cover, but when I close the keyboard cover it does not turn off the screen. Also when I manually turn off the screen, close the keyboard cover and then open it, it does not turn on the tablet. Is there any setting for this in Settings? Or is this feature not available anymore?
Thx.
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I will certainty return my keyboard cover. I need a good slim profile case that wakes up my tablet and has an S Pen holster.
stondec100 said:
I will certainty return my keyboard cover. I need a good slim profile case that wakes up my tablet and has an S Pen holster.
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I have returned the keyboard cover and bought regular slim profile book cover, which turns the Tab on and off with no problem. I wonder why Samsung's keyboard cover doesn't have this function.
Keyboard cover magnet
carlitos66 said:
I have just received my preordered Tab S4 with keyboard cover, but when I close the keyboard cover it does not turn off the screen. Also when I manually turn off the screen, close the keyboard cover and then open it, it does not turn on the tablet. Is there any setting for this in Settings? Or is this feature not available anymore?
Thx.
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It appears that Samsung put the magnet in the wrong place in the keyboard cover. If you do not mount the tablet in the cover so that you can move the tablet up and down in the case - against the keyboard - you will find that with the tablet slid about an inch up from center that the magnet kicks in and the screen turns off.
I have a plain book cover, from Amazon that I paid $9.90 for that works PERFECTLY! For the price I paid for the keyboard cover, it just HAS to be RETURNED! Hopefully, Samsung will get their manufacturing screw-up resolved.
Thanks Jeffrey, that's interesting find with the magnet position. That's probably why Samsung support over the phone told me to try to move the TAB in the cover up and down. Anyway, I have returned the keyboard cover already and also bought just plain book cover that works very well and has the "ON" and "OFF" function.
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It appears that Samsung put the magnet in the wrong place in the keyboard cover. If you do not mount the tablet in the cover so that you can move the tablet up and down in the case - against the keyboard - you will find that with the tablet slid about an inch up from center that the magnet kicks in and the screen turns off.
I have a plain book cover, from Amazon that I paid $9.90 for that works PERFECTLY! For the price I paid for the keyboard cover, it just HAS to be RETURNED! Hopefully, Samsung will get their manufacturing screw-up resolved.
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Curious if the standard cover has that type of support then.
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The normal book case works fine. It's just the keyboard case that doesn't work with the tablet's cover detection.
It was the same story on the Tab S3. This product is broken by design. Still, at least they didn't forget to leave a hole for the camera this time. The manual of the keyboard cover for the Tab S3 pictured a gap for the device's camera, but the accessory itself didn't have one. If you wanted to take a photo, you had to remove it from its protective case, which kind of defeats the purpose of a protective case.
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The normal book case works fine. It's just the keyboard case that doesn't work with the tablet's cover detection.
It was the same story on the Tab S3. This product is broken by design. Still, at least they didn't forget to leave a hole for the camera this time. The manual of the keyboard cover for the Tab S3 pictured a gap for the device's camera, but the accessory itself didn't have one. If you wanted to take a photo, you had to remove it from its protective case, which kind of defeats the purpose of a protective case.
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It seems like the keyboard case for both the S3 and S4 were fairly rushed, honestly.
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It appears that Samsung put the magnet in the wrong place in the keyboard cover. If you do not mount the tablet in the cover so that you can move the tablet up and down in the case - against the keyboard - you will find that with the tablet slid about an inch up from center that the magnet kicks in and the screen turns off.
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I am pretty sure this is not the case. True, the keyboard cover has magnets. If you move the tablet around, those magnets may trigger wake up function as you observed, but that's not their intended purpose. They are there to hold the keyboard cover closed when the tablet is inserted. And they align perfectly with another pair of magnets in the tablet (you can just slide something like fork along the edge of the tablet/case to see whey there are). If you move the table as you suggested so they work as wake up magnets, then the cover will not stay closed.
I believe the official book cover has another magnet that triggers wake up function. The keyboard cover does not do have wake up by design, maybe because they expect you to mostly use it in keyboard mode and as was said before, when you attach the keyboard, that will trigger wake up. I agree that it's kind of a silly decision. I would like to have wake up at least as an option. But it's not faulty manufacturing.
carlitos66 said:
I have just received my preordered Tab S4 with keyboard cover, but when I close the keyboard cover it does not turn off the screen. Also when I manually turn off the screen, close the keyboard cover and then open it, it does not turn on the tablet. Is there any setting for this in Settings? Or is this feature not available anymore?
Thx.
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It unfortunately is not a feature. the only way the keyboard shuts off the screen is if you were using the keyboard and then disconnect the keyboard from the tablet
I tried putting a small neodymium magnet on the outside of the case and it seems to work. Meaning, all you need is a magnet in the right position. That position seems to be right above where the bottom right edge of the tablet would sit when you mount it to use the keyboard. If only i could x-ray this thing to see if there is any sensitive components behind the plastic in that area, I would drill it and embed my magnet there. Its plenty thick enough to flush mount the magnet there...
I think that's not the way the Keyboard Cover works.
The Keyboard Cover is only for people who always use it.
I own one, actually 2 as I also bought for my wife, and to automatically TURN ON your Tab is by connecting it to the keyboard.
And to automatically TURN OFF your Tab is by disconnecting it from the Keyboard.
That's my 2 cents...I hope it helps
I've had the Tab S4 since before the Android 9 update and had both the Samsung Keyboard case and the regular book case and both would wake and put the tablet to sleep when opening and closing it BEFORE the Android 9 update. After it only seems the book case will do the wake/sleep functions but not the keyboard case. I think it's just software and it's really frustrating because that update has been out for months and nothing's changed I still have to manually put the tablet to sleep after closing it which defeats the purpose of the magnets built into both devices (keyboard case and tablet).